For clarity can you please confirm that the Truesec rounds mathematically?

So -0.85 or lower will receive the +10% ores.

For clarity can you please confirm that the Truesec rounds mathematically?

So -0.85 or lower will receive the +10% ores.

To illustrate my point here is a screen grab of a spreadsheet created by my supercap production corp based on the odyssey nullsec belt changes updated with the changes you intend to make in Odessey 1.1.

http://i.imgur.com/KFyIQD8.png

It's a little crude but it clearly shows that the mineral ratios for building a BS hull, Supercarrier or Titan are broadly the same. The racial biases over a large varied production run average out to be inconsequential.

If we focus on any of the sample builds it is very quickly obvious that the number of times you need to mine any belt to produce the required mex is an order of magnitude more than to produce any other required mineral volume. It is obviously desirable for there to be an excess of high ends to be shipped back to highsec and they have a value/volume ratio which encourages that. Transporting raw Mex on the other hand is totally prohibitive. It simply isn't economical to jump freighter mex 2 or 3 jumps into nullsec.

Are we to assume that you want us to eat the wasted low ends as a cost of doing business in null? Using the Nyx as an example by the most efficient combination of belt cycling you would be trashing 500,000,000 Trit per Nyx constructed. That is over half the trit needed to make another Nyx. It cannot be built into anything or reasonably compressed without mex so trashed is not an exaggeration.

I hope this clearly illustrates the point and you take another look at either the refine ratios or the asteroid ratios in the anomalies in null.

Posting in support of the other posts above. You guys are fiddling with ratios in a way that is going to do nothing to improve nullsec industry. Do you guys clearly understand the problem and is this the first small change in a huge list of changes, or are you swinging blind here?

The primary goal for the swapping of one ore type to another in this pass is to balance out the isk/hr for the three site types a bit. I did choose to up mex by a small amount at the same time, but that was a secondary thing.

Like I said before, we haven't ruled out adjusting the mineral ratios more significantly but we're also not committed to the idea that any one area of space needs to be completely independent from others. Importing Mex is still a lot easier than importing all the low-ends before Odyssey, and you'll need to import a little less of it now. We may make more significant changes later, but we're still observing.

Like I said before, we haven't ruled out adjusting the mineral ratios more significantly but we're also not committed to the idea that any one area of space needs to be completely independent from others. Importing Mex is still a lot easier than importing all the low-ends before Odyssey, and you'll need to import a little less of it now. We may make more significant changes later, but we're still observing.

The primary goal for the swapping of one ore type to another in this pass is to balance out the isk/hr for the three site types a bit. I did choose to up mex by a small amount at the same time, but that was a secondary thing.

Like I said before, we haven't ruled out adjusting the mineral ratios more significantly but we're also not committed to the idea that any one area of space needs to be completely independent from others. Importing Mex is still a lot easier than importing all the low-ends before Odyssey, and you'll need to import a little less of it now. We may make more significant changes later, but we're still observing.

The primary goal for the swapping of one ore type to another in this pass is to balance out the isk/hr for the three site types a bit. I did choose to up mex by a small amount at the same time, but that was a secondary thing.

Like I said before, we haven't ruled out adjusting the mineral ratios more significantly but we're also not committed to the idea that any one area of space needs to be completely independent from others. Importing Mex is still a lot easier than importing all the low-ends before Odyssey, and you'll need to import a little less of it now. We may make more significant changes later, but we're still observing.

Ccp fozzie anything on making grav sites something you have to scan down? Just saying that will make null sec mining much more desirable.

once again I leave this here http://thelazypilot.wordpress.com/2013/06/05/ore-mining-in-null-security-still-needs-changes/

I see it coming for months now. Mex is a bottleneck and Ore sites are all unbalanced.

Do something about it now don't wait for things to crash down the road to act when is too late.

I care about this issue a lot, please listen to me, listen to these guys posting in this thread, we know what we are talking about.

Help us help you help us all! :-)

Importing Mex is still a lot easier than importing all the low-ends before Odyssey, and you'll need to import a little less of it now. We may make more significant changes later, but we're still observing.

Like I said before, we haven't ruled out adjusting the mineral ratios more significantly but we're also not committed to the idea that any one area of space needs to be completely independent from others.

NO, it is much much worse now, you can't import just Mex, except raw, and well, that is about batshit stupid. You are better off not mining at all and just importing from high sec. less wastage and the same amount of work.




One area of space does control the Mex - High sec

There might be more mined in nullsec overall, but making big ships requires a lot more than we can realistically mine, so it HAS to come from high sec.


Listen, I don't care if you make all the belt more or less isk/hr or make them bigger or smaller, just PLEASE balance them. But, do remember Nullsec does supply all of the Mega/Morphite in the game, as well as the majority of Nocx and iso. So, when I sat balance, I mainly mean Trit/Pye/Mex


Feel free to use that spreadsheet as a guide, it is spot on and tells the whole story and how much we have to mine just to get the Mex required.




There is another way: and I am spitballing here.....reduce Mex usage in building LOL - hehe - OK, back to work, funs over

They should leave it alone, so what if you have to buy what you need or go to hs to mine it? If CCP are gonna continue to give in to this bullshit then hs should get Megacyte/Morphite to balance it as well...Nobody makes anyone go to null, but everyone who does seems to do sod all but whine about how hard done by they are, tough, live with it and stop crying.

... There is another way: and I am spitballing here.....reduce Mex usage in building ...

Over the last year Mex has lost almost 1/2 its value (60-35 in high-sec) making mining in high-sec a frustrating occupation. Reducing demand would make the mineral nearly redundant and HS-mining no fun at all. It's (semi-permanent) low price should be more than offsetting those pesky transport hassles.