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Cipio Alduin Keep Calm And Log Off 10	Posted - 2013.08.08 23:33:00 - [1] - Quote Hello One of the great mysteries of EvE Online is, what do the owners of SOMER Blink i.e the CEO and such, get out of the such hard work they put in? I then began to, shall we say, research as much as i could about SOMER Blink, what drove them? What did the community think of them? What were SHILL accounts. This is what i do for a living, im given, ah, cases as it was, my job is to discern patterns in things. This for me was a great challenge. So i began in earnest to find what i could, i spoke to over 73 people who play SOMER Blink, asking certain questions, including winners and losers. I then made an account and began to purchase PLEX and started to drop ISK into BLINK. I began to record my winnings and my losses. It struck me, that i had found a pattern in SOMER Blink. I had also began to record certain people who play BLINK every day. I also began to record, which of these five people, won, what blinks and how much they where putting into BLINK every day. The pattern i found in BLINK, was a very simple one, that most players of BLINK seem to not notice. I had to go through 12 billion ISK before i managed to spot this pattern. When you play BLINK, you deposit a certain amount of ISK, it's very easy to forget exactly how much you deposit when you begin to loose and win with equal measure. But, if you win, say 2.7 billion ISK, you transfer that to your account. You then keep playing, run out of money and deposit more money. Eventually, you will loose the exact or CLOSE to what you have won in ISK, BLINK Makes sure of this. Otherwise, they would by fact and simple maths, run out of money. Even with the amount of tickets they sell and there "profit". It still does not add up. They would run out of money within a month to keep buying ships to give to players. The second point was i looked into SHILL accounts. I began to record names that were playing blink, depositing in excess of 10 billion ISK a day easily. In most cases, more ISK than this. I also then began to record the WINS these players won. Below are the top 5 players who i recorded in the 5-10 billion ISK mark, some times within 2-3 hours or other times over 2-3 days. Now, we all know that making this amount of ISK in EvE without buying a metric ton of PLEXES. Now, here is your list. Bloodraven22 <-- Deposited 21 billion ISK on capital ships in less than 2 hours, winning 98% of the lotteries R0ot <-- Deposited over 6 billion in 1 hour, bidding on everything he could and winning 90% of the lotteries ejen8208 <-- Deposited 3 billion 20 minutes on capital ships and only lost 4 of the lotteries Lord Peanut <-- Suspect with the amount of ISK being put in Armarria <-- Same as above Now the interesting thing about this, is these accounts are playing at one point WITHOUT FAIL every day on SOMER Blink, always. There are 32 other accounts i have recorded that are "suspect". Always wining large amounts of ISK on ships and depositing more and more ISK. (which can be worked out by doing simple math on what the player is bidding on as such and what the player is winning.) Now. over the course of three months. I deposited over 90 billion ISK and i won 27 billion ISK in lotteries. Which, as part of my research, i put back into BLINK. I subsequently lost 25.4 billion ISK. Which was just shy of what i had made in profit. As you can see from my theory above. This was a 3 month test, done, month by month. SOMER Blink is a scam, a very good scam that breaks no rules. But a scam none the less. Now, this is not a bitter rage, nor a abusive footnote. This is being put into my monthly research project we have to do, we get an allowance for our research. What i spent was a very small amount of what we get. This SOMER Blink fascinated me, why would players, put so much time into a lottery system, on a MMO, to "help the player base" - I'm sorry, but that does not swing any which way. They do it, because, they can pocket MASSIVE amounts of ISK from players, whilst still, shall we say, working within the law of EvE. Anyway, i will be publishing my full report once i have permission from my work. It's about 30 pages long. My advice to any Eve player, is to not play this lottery. It's very clever, very in depth. But it is a scam. You will in the end, loose close to, if not more, than you win and your original deposit, will be gone. Anyway, i harbor no ill will towards SOMER Blink. But, that being said, people should be warned and be aware. I am a married man with children. I am just fascinated by the depth of this scam i.e lottery. Not to mention, how much ISK has been scammed by BLINK, which now numbers in the trillions. Incredible, yet fascinating Cipio
Bloody Wench 639	Posted - 2013.08.08 23:45:00 - [2] - Quote TL:DR SOMER blink is a scam. Well der... Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote: -á CCP should not only make local delayed in highsec, but they should also require one be undocked to use it. Then, even the local spammers have some skin in the game. Support a High Resolution Texture Pack
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 3231	Posted - 2013.08.09 00:17:00 - [3] - Quote The sky is blue, water is wet, and the House *always* wins. My inner child's OCD salutes you OP, for the effort. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 5625	Posted - 2013.08.09 00:23:00 - [4] - Quote Think of all the other things you could have done instead of reinforcing the fact that BLINK IS A SCAM. Whats next? Proving that Erotica1 is a scam too? Some people.... *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Domanique Altares Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 1041	Posted - 2013.08.09 00:23:00 - [5] - Quote Scam? Only if you've never, ever considered how a lottery or gambling house works. You shouldn't need months of research and billions of isk to realize that the vast majority of players lose all the money they deposit. This is how SOMER makes money. Rifterlings Corporation is now recruiting pilots for lowsec solo & small gang PvP. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter.
Jassmin Joy Oblivion Watch hydra reloaded 176	Posted - 2013.08.09 00:35:00 - [6] - Quote SOMERblink is a scam guys, news at 11.
Fal Dara The Scope Gallente Federation 67	Posted - 2013.08.09 00:49:00 - [7] - Quote It wouldnt even HAVE to be a scam to make obscene isk. every blink is profit. It need not even go beyond that, for them to pocket billions a day. You present little to no actual evidence to back up your idea that this is a scam. So some one deposits 10b. So what? Maybe it's some guy in southern itally that makes millions a year--and he dropped 300$ on plex that day--which was significantly less than he just spent on the bottle of wine he drank while playing the game. you might say some one wins 90% of the blinks they play--you didnt say that they also didnt play 90% of the tickets in a blink. Many do, on cap ships (just shy of the ship cost itself). What if gambling on websites for rl cash is illegal in their country/state, and this is their only outlet? Sure, winning may not get them RL fame and fortune, but EVE fortunes can feel quite important nonetheless. It doesnt have to be a scam at all, to make more isk than most alliances make alltogether. if it was a scam on TOP of that--well, some one would come up with some hard evidence.
RubyPorto SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 3848	Posted - 2013.08.09 00:51:00 - [8] - Quote Why would they need shill accounts when the rake more than explains their continued solvency (and profits)? This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody. "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon
S'Way Bitter Vets 571	Posted - 2013.08.09 00:53:00 - [9] - Quote Cipio Alduin wrote: My advice to any Eve player, is to not play this lottery. It's very clever, very in depth. But it is a scam. You will in the end, loose close to, if not more, than you win and your original deposit, will be gone. Obviously then we need goons to set up a lottery that people can believe in being fair and honest. I'd suggest a ticket price of 500m, bonus prizes of corp membership and moving your stuff to 0.0 once everything is contracted to their haulers (without collateral of course).
Suddenly Forums ForumKings Republic University Minmatar Republic 427	Posted - 2013.08.09 00:53:00 - [10] - Quote You just discovered the business model of literally every Casino. slow clap
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 15971	Posted - 2013.08.09 00:58:00 - [11] - Quote Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote: You just discovered the business model of literally every Casino. slow clap Well hey, it's more than most casino customers do, so there's thatGÇª GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0.
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM 1787	Posted - 2013.08.09 01:07:00 - [12] - Quote Wow! I've just discovered that the vast majority of people who play on a state lottery will lose more than they win! And these are often government backed! Scam! Where's my prize? Oh, and where can I find a company that will pay me to look into such things? Steve Ronuken for CSM 9!-á I'm starting early :) Handy tools and an SDE conversion Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 3281	Posted - 2013.08.09 01:29:00 - [13] - Quote I don't even know what this is.
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 1547	Posted - 2013.08.09 01:54:00 - [14] - Quote Please make sure to proofread before submitting. It's lose, not loose. It is a work report after all.
Aiwha Infinite Point Nulli Secunda 536	Posted - 2013.08.09 01:57:00 - [15] - Quote They make a rather large amount of isk on every lottery. Add up the prices of all the tickets, they exceed the cost of the prize. There is no way for the house to lose isk. We're winning the war if it says so on CAOD! -á
Cyonsiaros StrawHat Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.08.09 02:28:00 - [16] - Quote I will play this game for fun :) What makes a shill, Rules for a Shil account To make an effective shill you need to achieve two to several thousand random picks on frigates to generate loses. To make a profitable shill you need to win one thousand or more Ultra Blinks To have an effective shill the account must be dated 2010 or later To Have a believable shill you must time their entry into gigablinks to an interval between 30-35 seconds To participate in Giga's some shills must be win by hero Tickets. Have a corp history at least 5 slots long, any more and we're talking extra work, 3-8 months between at least 2 If you plan the shills correctly, you can rake in approximately 90% of all isk invested whilst having the appearance of merely taking a modest 30%. To make the operation believable you will want the go-to explanation which will satisfy the masses, such as blink is profitable without Shills,. The mass illusion will be accepted, cognitively people want to accept this - it makes sense clear as day. There really is no reason to ruin a good thing, that is unless of course a better thing is a sure deal. List of characters that are not shills: Bloodraven22 Ghertrude Malango Pod Speed KunthaK 50+ others Most of all when someone threatens the beast blast promos like no tomorrow, so long as they have a chance to sway the crowd. The end answer is there are no Shill accounts with varying responsibilities in specific blinks. What you think you perceive as patterns are simply a demonstration of the brains cognitive abilities to find, and/or produce patterns out of nowhere that do not actually exist. Blink is profitable and you can see it in the ticket cost and Buyout values. Most importantly Somer, a former member of the armed forces - Has not created dozens of accounts since 2010 spoofing information as to safely and discretely transform isk through Real Money Transactions. Furthermore any link between staff and previous eve banks is unfounded - Anyone who discredits these claims are simply trolling because they didn't win it big at blink. You can see it in the ticket price. For tips and tricks on spoofing data such as IP, Hardware ID, MAC etc. please whisper somer. Would be a good laugh because somer has never spoofed data ccp pulls to determine fraudulent activity.
Lyell Wolf Virtues Corporation Yulai Federation 33	Posted - 2013.08.09 02:38:00 - [17] - Quote I applaud your post OP. I usually don't take time to read a whole post on some random topic in EVE but this really got my attention. I would actually enjoy seeing the 30 page research you did on SOMER. Now I'm not saying this is "The Proof" that BLINK is a Scam, as there are a lot of variables that are usually associated with gambling, but I do look forward to more insight being brought into this through an actual long term trial.
Cyonsiaros StrawHat Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.08.09 04:32:00 - [18] - Quote Bumped for best thread in 2 years
Andrev Nox SOMER Blink Cognitive Development 194	Posted - 2013.08.09 04:41:00 - [19] - Quote Whoo. The forum posts that say "I Used Science! Gäó" are always the funniest reads. "One of the great mysteries of EvE Online is, what do the owners of SOMER Blink i.e the CEO and such, get out of the such hard work they put in?" If this was a mystery for you, I could have saved you a lot of time and trouble. Most of eve could have explained this one for you. Lotteries are profitable businesses. "research as much as i could about SOMER Blink, what drove them?" See above. "What did the community think of them?" Some people play a little, lose a lot, and hate us. Some people play a little, win a lot, and love us. Some people play a lot and win the statistically expected amount and think we're a normal gambling service, and some people don't like to gamble and/or have never heard of us. "What were SHILL accounts." This has always been one of the most confusing accusations. People say we make too much ISK for our own good running the service. Then, in the same breath, accuse us of doing a MASSIVE amount of extra work, and exposing the entire service to risk of destruction, just to squeeze out more ISK in addition to the amount they already claim is too much. Sometimes, a person (or group of people) wins several in a row because they buy a larger number of tickets to a specific blink. "Buying better odds" essentially. Sometimes, a person wins several in a row just due to sheer blind luck. But with over 4,692,829 prizes given away (not counting the 36,269 free promo giveaways), we'd need a LOOOOTTT of alts to perpetuate a scam on the scale you're suggesting :p And, as many others have pointed out over the months, every legitimately closed blink nets us a bit of profit. We'd be terminally stupid to rig the system in any way, as it would be the one sure-fire way to kill our business forever. If you like, you're free to evaluate our method for choosing winners. The code we use to get the number is here. As you can see, we draw it from random.org. You can find their real-time statistics here and several peer-reviewed papers on the quality of their random-generator here. And, in the end - if you genuinly believe we're running around with several million alts, you can stop reading here. There's no rational words that are going to overcome that level of.....creative thinking. "This for me was a great challenge. So i began in earnest to find what i could, i spoke to over 73 people who play SOMER Blink" Your earnesty failed you. Maybe the Institute of Finding Patterns in Video Game Fan Webpages didn't train you for this, but you can speak to over 400 Blink playing individuals in our channel right now, 'Somer Lotteries' though that's still a pitiful sample size, any crowd-based interviews are anecdotal bullshit anyway, so we can ignore that :) "I began to record my winnings and my losses." Do you mean your stats page? It records everoyne's wins and losses. "It struck me, that i had found a pattern in SOMER Blink." Cool! I recommend claiming your Nobel Prize imemdiately, if your boss at the Department of Finding Patterns in Things will allow it. Random.org has had several thousands of pages written in several hundreds of papers proving that there can be no predicted pattern. Your work will be a boon to the field of mathematics! "I also began to record, which of these five people, won, what blinks and how much they where putting into BLINK every day." Fun fact - A lot more than 5 people play Blink daily. And of all of them, none have the ability to check someone else's wallet for transactiosn. :) "When you play BLINK, you deposit a certain amount of ISK, it's very easy to forget exactly how much you deposit" Unless you read the "ISK Deposited" stat on your profile page. But I understand why a busy official from the Department of Finding Patterns in Things might miss that while conducting his thorough research. "Eventually, you will loose the exact or CLOSE to what you have won in ISK," This is called "Regression to the mean" - there are many, many papers out there about it and its application to gambling :) "Otherwise, they would by fact and simple maths, run out of money." No :p There are no house bets. We don't lose money when Bob wins, or gain money with John wins. We gain money on every completed Blink, no matter what. You can add this to your testing protocal if you like - Buy every ticket to a blink. You win. Repeat forever. Win forever, every blink you play. I promise, we won't ever run out of money while you continue doing this. "They would run out of money within a month to keep buying ships to give to players." See above. "depositing in excess of 10 billion ISK a day easily. In most cases, more ISK than this." Many, many, many players enjoy gambling. They'll deposit enough to play something. If they win, they take the payout, then send some (or sometimes all) back and regamble. Repeat until they either run out of ISK for the day or decide to quit. Thus 10b of gambling is often the same 1b cycled over and over. "Bloodraven22 <-- Deposited 21 billion ISK on capital ships in less than 2 hours, winning 98% of the lotteries R0ot <-- Deposited over 6 billion in 1 hour, bidding on everything he could and winning 90% of the lotteries ejen8208 <-- Deposited 3 billion 20 minutes on capital ships and only lost 4 of the lotteries" Without exception, all three of these are incredibly wrong. Both on the deposit and on the win/loss numbers, for any day I can find in any of those players accounts. I will eagerly await the Department of Finding Patterns In Things official report that shows the data you gathered from our wallet and their private Blink profiles, though. Somer Blink - The original microlottery site.
Andrev Nox SOMER Blink Cognitive Development 194	Posted - 2013.08.09 04:41:00 - [20] - Quote "This is being put into my monthly research project we have to do, we get an allowance for our research. What i spent was a very small amount of what we get. " Where can I apply for the position of Guy Who Makes Forum Posts about Fan Webpages for Internet Spaceship Videogames please? This job intrigues me. "why would players, put so much time into a lottery system, on a MMO, to "help the player base"" This seems to be the root of your confusion. We do lots of community sponsorship events, sure - RVB, EACS, Eve Uni, Agony U, and lots of other stuff have all received donations. But we still make ISK. That's what we're doing. Running a profitable business. If you believed we were doing this out of charity and kindness and never turning any profit, I can happily disabuse you of that without any 'research' needed. Before Blink, I built things, hauled things, did market stuff, and chattered in channels. Because it made ISK and was fun to me. Now I build things, haul things, do market stuff, and chatter in channels on a MUCH BIGGER SCALE. Because that's a fun way to play Eve for me, and it's been a successful way the past 2 and a half years. "Anyway, i will be publishing my full report once i have permission from my work. It's about 30 pages long." Could you please post this on the Department of Finding Patterns in Things official webpage - I really, really, really want to submit my CV so I, too, can make forum posts about my in-depth research of talking to some people in a video game. "My advice to any Eve player, is to not play this lottery." Let me expand this advice for you. Never send ISK to anyone, us included, in eve unless you trust them. Not even a little. Not even just to try it out. Not even once. If you distrust our business, we're okay with that. We have over 76,000 people playing Blink. We're not trying to force to play who isn't happy to do so. "I am a married man with children." Um. Congrats, I guess? "which now numbers in the trillions." CCP released a tweet of the two largest wallets. One was 5 trillion, one was 1 trillion. Both were alliances. While they didn't say who which were, a quick glance at the sov map clarifies that bit of research for you fairly easily :p PS - Always Blink on #4. We rigged #4 to always win. Somer Blink - The original microlottery site.
RubyPorto SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 3848	Posted - 2013.08.09 04:58:00 - [21] - Quote Andrev Nox wrote: Never send ISK to anyone, us included, in eve unless you trust them. Not even a little. Not even just to try it out. Not even once. Not even the tip? This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody. "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon
Cipher Jones The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars 743	Posted - 2013.08.09 05:04:00 - [22] - Quote You totally broke the EULA by doing so also. But you knew that already. Eve is Real
Zappity Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 260	Posted - 2013.08.09 05:06:00 - [23] - Quote Um, you thought a lottery site was fair? I see. Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.")
MrsCthulhu Zombie Army 0	Posted - 2013.08.09 05:27:00 - [24] - Quote Andrev Nox wrote: "This is being put into my monthly research project we have to do, we get an allowance for our research. What i spent was a very small amount of what we get. " Where can I apply for the position of Guy Who Makes Forum Posts about Fan Webpages for Internet Spaceship Videogames please? This job intrigues me. "why would players, put so much time into a lottery system, on a MMO, to "help the player base"" This seems to be the root of your confusion. We do lots of community sponsorship events, sure - RVB, EACS, Eve Uni, Agony U, and lots of other stuff have all received donations. But we still make ISK. That's what we're doing. Running a profitable business. If you believed we were doing this out of charity and kindness and never turning any profit, I can happily disabuse you of that without any 'research' needed. Before Blink, I built things, hauled things, did market stuff, and chattered in channels. Because it made ISK and was fun to me. Now I build things, haul things, do market stuff, and chatter in channels on a MUCH BIGGER SCALE. Because that's a fun way to play Eve for me, and it's been a successful way the past 2 and a half years. "Anyway, i will be publishing my full report once i have permission from my work. It's about 30 pages long." Could you please post this on the Department of Finding Patterns in Things official webpage - I really, really, really want to submit my CV so I, too, can make forum posts about my in-depth research of talking to some people in a video game. "My advice to any Eve player, is to not play this lottery." Let me expand this advice for you. Never send ISK to anyone, us included, in eve unless you trust them. Not even a little. Not even just to try it out. Not even once. If you distrust our business, we're okay with that. We have over 76,000 people playing Blink. We're not trying to force to play who isn't happy to do so. "I am a married man with children." Um. Congrats, I guess? "which now numbers in the trillions." CCP released a tweet of the two largest wallets. One was 5 trillion, one was 1 trillion. Both were alliances. While they didn't say who which were, a quick glance at the sov map clarifies that bit of research for you fairly easily :p PS - Always Blink on #4. We rigged #4 to always win. LOLOLOL <3, As an avid somer blink player, i can confirm that any casino game that has a house edge, eventually grinds down a customer to zero money. However, blink doesn't even need a house edge. Blinks are set up in a lottery system, where you don't play against the house, ever time a customer buys a ticket, they are paying a fee to the house of 20% at blink. It doesn't matter if ticket 1 or 2 or 16 wins to them because the value of all of the tickets bought exceeds the amount of money payed out to the winner. IE.. 10 players buy a ticket each, each payed 10 million isk, the pot sits then at 100 million isk, the winner gets 80 million isk. The house doesn't care who wins because they get the full 100 million from the players and then give out 80 of it, making 20 in profit. Sure, they could rig it(they dont) and pay out win to "shill" accounts, but as andrev has said, its not worth the risk to their profitable business model. Why risk making a guaranteed 20% every time. Also I too would like a word with your company so i can put in an application. Apparently they accept applicants with no concept of statistics.
Eugene Kerner TunDraGon Suddenly Spaceships. 790	Posted - 2013.08.09 06:27:00 - [25] - Quote omg every ******* lottery on this planet works with the similar systeme. Of course they gain more than they give out... If you had to spend so much isk to see that pattern then you must be very good at what you do. "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
dexington Caldari Provisions Caldari State 744	Posted - 2013.08.09 06:55:00 - [26] - Quote Cipio Alduin wrote: When you play BLINK, you deposit a certain amount of ISK, it's very easy to forget exactly how much you deposit when you begin to loose and win with equal measure. But, if you win, say 2.7 billion ISK, you transfer that to your account. You then keep playing, run out of money and deposit more money. Eventually, you will loose the exact or CLOSE to what you have won in ISK, BLINK Makes sure of this. are you saying that if i deposit my winning in the account and keep playing, eventually i will lose both the investment and the winnings, this is truly shocking news... guess somerblink is not a magic isk printing machine :( I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Cyonsiaros StrawHat Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.08.09 06:58:00 - [27] - Quote More fun and games Just so I can wrap my head around the logic on both sides, "blink makes money why ruin a good thing?" lol what? How would shill bidders ruin a good thing, it's worked thus far, it is the good thing. // It's a sort of completely senseless logic, warren buffet made enough money to live a thousand lives a long time ago, why did he keep on trucking to become multi-billionaire status? this is a joke thread and I am just joking, As long as I'm joking Somer Bans automation, yet the shill accounts meet the qualification for ban parameters, but still exist because 8-20 tickets in less than 1 second is allowed when it's a house account. - That alone is like, lols and totally untrue which is why I said it. With the new server and all I don't know why anyone thinks someone could mass accounts over the last 2 years let alone run a site like blink. First off, where would they even get the money for that - its not like they participate in rmt beyond the 3 cents a game time code gives. Blink took trillions , erm gave away trillions (over 51% to itself) in fact they gave away 1 quadrillion. of course this never yielded 5 trillion to go into a wallet. - as they make literally less than 0.5% of what they gave away. Any claims of blink laundering money are unfounded - so don't you start thinking that. Literally ccp knows about all rmt transactions, unless of course blink scams a fair amount of the population and than it's hard to track which alts are somer and which are legitimate players. 76000 is a pretty big sample size and rmt is not illegal by law, it's just against game developers code of ethics players should follow. They certainly don't sell isk for money. Well, I mean, they could but that doesn't mean they do. They make spacebucks and have a good thing going why ruin spacebucks in a spaceship game for making a living? Other people can spoof data and proxy as to appear as a differing client than someone else. Hide from ccp who they are through knowledge of the computer box. Somer can't though, firstly it'd ruin spacebucks and somer hasn't even made 5 trillion in 2 years, secondly somer doesn't know anything about computers except all the stuff he claims to know about computers. Ya he's a guy. Andrevs a guy too, God wouldn't approve is all i know. Everything in this post is made up and hopefully people laugh, don't get the wrong idea - or develop the capability of higher level thought. PS - If you lose rorq to a shill, get blinked on!
Pierrot le fou Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2013.08.09 07:02:00 - [28] - Quote I stopped sinking my money into Somer when I won a succubus. My goal was reached. I could die happy.
RubyPorto SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 3849	Posted - 2013.08.09 07:06:00 - [29] - Quote Cyonsiaros StrawHat wrote: lol what? How would shill bidders ruin a good thing, it's worked thus far, it is the good thing. Shill bidders put the casino in the position of gambling with their profits. Each play a shill makes is revenue the casino is no longer going to receive, and if someone else wins, that's the casino losing money. If the casino rigs the games to favor the shill enough to make up for that lost revenue, they'll easily be detected. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody. "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon
Irene Irie Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.08.09 07:42:00 - [30] - Quote Confirming this and also that they don't like being scammed themselves. Ka-ching.
Azurae South West Trading 98	Posted - 2013.08.09 08:06:00 - [31] - Quote Cipio Alduin wrote: Now. over the course of three months. I deposited over 90 billion ISK and i won 27 billion ISK in lotteries. Which, as part of my research, i put back into BLINK. I subsequently lost 25.4 billion ISK. Which was just shy of what i had made in profit. I'm fascinated that noone even talked about his math skills yet. Just a hint if you put in 90 billion isk, won 27 billion isk you already lost 63 billion isk. and there was no profit at all. if you lost more of those 27 billion you lost even more money. if you mean you put in 90 billion isk and you won 117 billion, which resulted in a profit of 27 billion, of which 1.6 billion remained after you gambled with those 27 billion again, then why did you even create this thread? because that would mean you made a profit which there shouldn't be. (tbh i doubt this is what you ment so lets just stick to you being bad at math) And yeah buying plex worth about 3k dollars to waste it on a lottery where everyone knows that when you play a lot you can statistically only lose? you really aren't the brightest, are you?
Azurae South West Trading 98	Posted - 2013.08.09 08:10:00 - [32] - Quote RubyPorto wrote: Cyonsiaros StrawHat wrote: lol what? How would shill bidders ruin a good thing, it's worked thus far, it is the good thing. Shill bidders put the casino in the position of gambling with their profits. Each play a shill makes is revenue the casino is no longer going to receive, and if someone else wins, that's the casino losing money. If the casino rigs the games to favor the shill enough to make up for that lost revenue, they'll easily be detected. i doubt they would be easily detected because it would be easy to disguise, make them win on high value blinks and make them lose on low value blinks. noone could be sure that the blinks were rigged. anyway i don't know if its rigged or not and tbh i don't care because as with any gambling in the end the gamblers lose and the house wins.
Lugalbandak Anunnaku Industrial Corp. Northern Associates. 29	Posted - 2013.08.09 08:18:00 - [33] - Quote Fal Dara wrote: It wouldnt even HAVE to be a scam to make obscene isk. every blink is profit. It need not even go beyond that, for them to pocket billions a day. You present little to no actual evidence to back up your idea that this is a scam. So some one deposits 10b. So what? Maybe it's some guy in southern itally that makes millions a year--and he dropped 300$ on plex that day--which was significantly less than he just spent on the bottle of wine he drank while playing the game. you might say some one wins 90% of the blinks they play--you didnt say that they also didnt play 90% of the tickets in a blink. Many do, on cap ships (just shy of the ship cost itself). What if gambling on websites for rl cash is illegal in their country/state, and this is their only outlet? Sure, winning may not get them RL fame and fortune, but EVE fortunes can feel quite important nonetheless. It doesnt have to be a scam at all, to make more isk than most alliances make alltogether. if it was a scam on TOP of that--well, some one would come up with some hard evidence. All real life betting & gamblings things are scams too , and yet still ppl believe tey are not , that makes me laugh always
flakeys Antwerpse Kerels R O G U E 1312	Posted - 2013.08.09 08:32:00 - [34] - Quote Cipio Alduin wrote: This SOMER Blink fascinated me, why would players, put so much time into a lottery system, on a MMO, to "help the player base" - I'm sorry, but that does not swing any which way. They do it, because, they can pocket MASSIVE amounts of ISK from players, whilst still, shall we say, working within the law of EvE. No **** sherlock .... i came to the conclusions you made the day it was launched without doing a 3 month survey and putting RL cash on the line for it. You can't have been that naive as to think otherwise it is a GAMBLING site.Do you think the vegas casino's are not in it for the cash?Do you think it's being played 'fair' in those casino's ? Come on , seriously ... We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Cyonsiaros StrawHat Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.08.09 08:36:00 - [35] - Quote Cyonsiaros StrawHat ==== lol what? How would shill bidders ruin a good thing, it's worked thus far, it is the good thing. Some Space Guy === Shill bidders put the casino in the position of gambling with their profits. Each play a shill makes is revenue the casino is no longer going to receive, and if someone else wins, that's the casino losing money. If the casino rigs the games to favor the shill enough to make up for that lost revenue, they'll easily be detected.[/quote] /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// I'm still joking. Cont. That line of code that say's we're legit, well that line is a little different than the second line of code that say's "lol we're not legit" nobody posts the second one. For instance in a given percentage of games, the house will win with a shill. Not all games, but enough to increase that profit margin. Seeing as you don't illegally datamine cogdev.net to see whats running on the server, , , ,you only really know what you're told, and know a legitimate line of code does exist. Of course we also need shill loses, not just on small things but on big things, a fine percent - someone has to win occasionally. We pick the right percentages to increase profits and we have ourselves a well greased printing machine. And heck sometimes, we don't rely heavilly on shills as we're far enough in the green to cancle the automated accounts when the heat is on or when topics fire up if deemed a reasonable idea. - during which periods we only make a bit of profit. phoenix ticket 166m - phoenix buyout 2.4mil Actual cost of phoenix in jita 2B . 166m x 16 = 2.65 Billion 650 million profit per legit phoenix. We use 10 Shill tickets on the next 16 ticket phoenix, and this time we'll we pick ourselves to win. ( 3 shills total, 10 between) Real players buy the other 6 tickets. 166m x 6 = 996m or about 1 billion profit guaranteed as we've used code 2, the one that's also written but not published Why go for the extra money? Well when your operation is so legit looking to start with, you can do this. In fact you can do this an incredible amount of times. Extremely illegitimate whilst maintaining a legitimate looking front. But people would know!? - I think that's what this thread is about. I don't think so - Than why are players who automate hunted, whilst Shill accounts remain unbanned? Do you know that if you play off the Blink server, your latency would be less than 10ms and litterally non-existant ->>> Do you know that if you did, you still wouldn't be able to buy 10 tickets in a second because its beyond human capabilities to react within than time frame? Literally, beyond the capabilities of humans. Do you know that if you own blink you don't have to ban the processes you yourself automate? But it's fake space money, andrev, somer's significant other suggested so. - That's a good front but there is a multi-billion dollar rmt market for video game currencies that suggests you can buy a car, house, and make a living if you bend some space rules some game developer would like you to follow although again, is not actually illegal. Why? To drive the benz at the end of the year instead of the f-150. That's not ethical! , again not illegal, you have some weird ethics based around space ship imaginary world. Eve has ethics? You'd have to be pretty crazy not to accept money for providing people with a service, such as giving them invisible space dollars. Especially if you're good at it and can turn quite a few space dollars out. 1B sells for more than enough on the black market to make each miniature transaction worth it, and that's hard to separate from people who make several larger transactions for legitimate purposes. In fact at a given point you don't really need to launder or cycle the space dollars all that much so long as you keep within margins and under the radar. Blink does not launder money or cheat often, there is no incentive to either and neither is even possible for 2 reasons. 1. the ticket cost - they already make a profit - why ruin a good thing 2. The line of code - We've all seen it, it's legit - why write an alternate protocol and I think it's rather funny anyone tries to accuse link of cheating, when its the only legitimate business eve's ever seen. The facts show they don't cheat. Well unless they like money for nothing - but that validates space code. But really, somer blink is legitimate and I despise this mockery to try and expose those of pure heart, like that guy somer, and that other guy andrev who are lifemates.
Sirinda Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium Kill It With Fire 196	Posted - 2013.08.09 08:43:00 - [36] - Quote Somer Blink is as much a scam as any lottery or casino/gambling house. You're playing against the odds - 7:1 odds at the least unfavorable. This means the probability to win a certain blink can be easily calculated, in turn allowing you to see your average returns from playing it over and over again. Surprise, it's less than what you put in. How much less, well, that's what the OP calculated in his empirical study. @flakeys: You have no idea how science works, do you?
flakeys Antwerpse Kerels R O G U E 1312	Posted - 2013.08.09 08:45:00 - [37] - Quote Andrev Nox wrote: Never send ISK to anyone, us included, in eve unless you trust them. Not even a little. Not even just to try it out. Not even once. Come on we all like to take a gamble at times and BLINK is not the only gamble we get to take in eve . We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Cyonsiaros StrawHat Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.08.09 08:57:00 - [38] - Quote The biggest running joke is to compare blink with an actual casino Because it takes the public view off of the idea that blink not only has margins to make profit, but actively shill's and cheats to create additional revenue. You see because normal casinos make profit, Blink makes a profit, ergo blink is like a normal casino EXCEPT::::!!!!!! Normal casinos are regulated and things turn bad fast when they spin the numbers a little more in their favor WHERE AS - There is no legal recourse when blink jumps for that additional profit - because law governing the sale of intangible space goodies that don't have a physical form is not yet fully developed. Blink is not like a casino, because many casino's fail because the margin for profit, although in their favor is up to chance, statistically the casino should make out - sometimes it doesn't for varying reasons. Blink, unlike a legal casino, will not fail because on top of the returns they normally get, which are guaranteed due to ticket prices versus jita sale values - which are guaranteed each successful blink - and not up to chance --- Blink also shaves a bit more for the real world value of these space bucks, where jim the lawyer and joey with moms credit card want eve space bucks, but can get more space bucks for their dollar on the black market with a bit of risk. Why take more? Because it's real life currency. Because when you know how the market operates and where to find a customer base, isk is real money. and the more isk, the more real money. Edit: forgot to mention i was still joking. This is a joke and not real nor is any of this even possible nor would any of this ever be possible or exist. Although it totally exists and is the case. Jokingly, because it doesn't. Even though this is what somer does and why he spent months putting blink together. joking again, even though its not illegal to run an operation that way, its fantasy and doesn't exist. Except it does exist and it can't be stopped, because when you know how to spoof information and move things around, you have power.
flakeys Antwerpse Kerels R O G U E 1313	Posted - 2013.08.09 09:18:00 - [39] - Quote Might want to take a decaf next time mate ... just saying We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
dexington Caldari Provisions Caldari State 745	Posted - 2013.08.09 09:32:00 - [40] - Quote If have read all the somerblink fraud evidence threads, and i have found a pattern. The person starting the thread has, prior to starting the thread, lost enough isk to be considered a ****** be the general eve population. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Inokuma Yawara University of Caille Gallente Federation 87	Posted - 2013.08.09 09:46:00 - [41] - Quote Fal Dara wrote: It wouldnt even HAVE to be a scam to make obscene isk. every blink is profit. It need not even go beyond that, for them to pocket billions a day. You present little to no actual evidence to back up your idea that this is a scam. So some one deposits 10b. So what? Maybe it's some guy in southern itally that makes millions a year--and he dropped 300$ on plex that day--which was significantly less than he just spent on the bottle of wine he drank while playing the game. you might say some one wins 90% of the blinks they play--you didnt say that they also didnt play 90% of the tickets in a blink. Many do, on cap ships (just shy of the ship cost itself). What if gambling on websites for rl cash is illegal in their country/state, and this is their only outlet? Sure, winning may not get them RL fame and fortune, but EVE fortunes can feel quite important nonetheless. It doesnt have to be a scam at all, to make more isk than most alliances make alltogether. if it was a scam on TOP of that--well, some one would come up with some hard evidence. Wait for his 30 page report before you say he has no evidence.... Watch this space.-á New exciting signature in development.
Xen Solarus Inner 5phere 522	Posted - 2013.08.09 10:04:00 - [42] - Quote I thought everyone knew SOMER was a scam? No denying that you can get lucky and beat the house though! Also, i look forward to reading this 30 page report! Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Whats next? Proving that Erotica1 is a scam too? Someone already did that. Post with your main, like a BOSS!
Sarah McKnobbo Omamori Himari Pandora Hearts 9	Posted - 2013.08.09 11:22:00 - [43] - Quote Delete as appropriate: 10/10 for the replies you managed to get OR 0/10 for 'stating the bleeding obvious' Lotto site makes money? Who knew
flakeys Antwerpse Kerels R O G U E 1316	Posted - 2013.08.09 11:44:00 - [44] - Quote Sirinda wrote: @flakeys: You have no idea how science works, do you? I do , every week i hear on the radio how some team studied X or Y and think to myself : ' That's **** anyone who uses logic can think off , another pile of cash thrown away instead of using it for reall research' . So much stuff out there that actually NEEDS to be researched and here we are , spotting mondane stuff people do on a daily base wich only ends to a logic conclusion and doesn't help at all on the bigger scale.The worst part is it even makes the news headlines ... Humanity a waste wasting away right? We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Cipio Alduin Keep Calm And Log Off 13	Posted - 2013.08.09 12:19:00 - [45] - Quote Well it's nice to know that when i choose to share some work with the eve community I simply get trolled and abused How apt and immature
Hoo Yodaad Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2013.08.09 12:30:00 - [46] - Quote You know Hal Lindley over there? Work with him at all?
flakeys Antwerpse Kerels R O G U E 1316	Posted - 2013.08.09 12:35:00 - [47] - Quote Cipio Alduin wrote: Well it's nice to know that when i choose to share some work with the eve community I simply get trolled and abused How apt and immature Your the guy who made that thread about the corp that was 7 days old and had a wardec right? You asked that one to be locked and i assume because you did not like the responses there. Look , eve forums are a reflection of the game.As such most -like me - behave in a 'direct' way .We say what's on our mind , a lot of times without thinking it through i admit that , and we don't put it in a nice bouquet but in a blender when we throw it out here. You shared something from your work wich you felt was something nice as a contribution , i get that and indeed it ain't no fun if people don't appreciate that effort.However it does not mean that since you put work into it , wich you got paid for btw as you said, that we should agree on it. In short the responses you got might come over harsh or let's just say eve-ish but if you would translate those words in a nice fluffy way it would just mean that a lot of people simply are saying that your work was allready done before you started. You should not take it personal it is just how the general behaviour is on this forum. We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Victoria Sin Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 429	Posted - 2013.08.09 12:37:00 - [48] - Quote Of course it's a fix. The house is also betting (via alts), so the house wins a good number of its own blinks. That doesn't mean you don't also have a chance of winning as the odds are still 1/8 for the small stuff and 1/16 for the big stuff (sometimes other odds) but over the course of time the house will always win and your account will regress to the mean, which is lower than break-even (I don't know what it actually is). Listen people, don't gamble your hard earned isk on Sommerblink. It's addictive and eventually it's going to clean you out.
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 2573	Posted - 2013.08.09 12:39:00 - [49] - Quote Domanique Altares wrote: Scam? Only if you've never, ever considered how a lottery or gambling house works. You shouldn't need months of research and billions of isk to realize that the vast majority of players lose all the money they deposit. This is how SOMER makes money. Well said. Who in there right mind thinks "gambling" is supposed to be fair or a good way to make money? Somer blink is pretty damn cool though, I sometimes play at work during my lunch break. Just like in real life when I go to a casino (I usually go to Shreveport, Louisiana, to gamble, Texas doesn't have casinos like that), I deposit at blink what I plan to play with, if I win I segregate the winnings from the "playing money" and when that money is gone, I'm done. The winnings go into my pocket, if there are any. The people who get so insanely butt hurt at Blink and at real life Casinos are people with no self control, no plan, and a false idea that life is fair and gambling can make anyone other than the house rich. They act like the establishment FORCES them to keep gambling, when in fact it is they who make the choice to continue past a point of common sense. Unless the casino or blink is pointing a gun at your head, you can always just leave or log out. The gambling addicts and fools should stop blaming others for their poor choices.
Prince Kobol 861	Posted - 2013.08.09 12:41:00 - [50] - Quote Cipio Alduin wrote: Well it's nice to know that when i choose to share some work with the eve community I simply get trolled and abused How apt and immature Maybe if you had posted something which was interesting and more importantly, factually correct, then you wouldn't of gotten trolled, however what you posted was utter drivel of the highest order, I mean seriously I have seen better posts on K.Com and that is saying something.
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 2573	Posted - 2013.08.09 12:49:00 - [51] - Quote Cipio Alduin wrote: Well it's nice to know that when i choose to share some work with the eve community I simply get trolled and abused How apt and immature Apt yes, but not immature. If you can't take criticism of your criticisms, THAT shows immaturity. Yet grown folks do it all day everyday. They say something stupid, people say "hey dude, that's stupid" and the original speaker gets all mad and insulted, when the most obvious course of action was to not saying something stupid to begin with. We are (mostly) not children. We know what Blink is. You aren't some messiah of truth against the evil scam known as blink. Also, anyone else think of the Streisand effect when you read stuff like this. Calling attention to something you think is bad is a good way to make sure that MORE people go and do the thing you think is bad. Cipio Alduin has succeeded in nothing but making Somer RICHER than they otherwise would have been.
Spergie Scrublord School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 2	Posted - 2013.08.09 12:54:00 - [52] - Quote Cipio Alduin wrote: Well it's nice to know that when i choose to share some work with the eve community I simply get trolled and abused How apt and immature You are correct. You were abused simply for doing the Lord's work; how awful it is that you have been made into such a victim. You might as well leave the forums now. bye -bye.
Cebraio 4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance 311	Posted - 2013.08.09 13:11:00 - [53] - Quote I cannot +1 Andrev Nox' posts as much as I want to! Andrev Nox wrote: PS - Always Blink on #4. We rigged #4 to always win. Thanks for the tip. I'll keep this secret for myself!
Solstice Project I'm So Meta Even This Acronym 3533	Posted - 2013.08.09 13:34:00 - [54] - Quote I wished i would win billions every day. You wished that will never happen.
War Kitten Panda McLegion 2546	Posted - 2013.08.09 13:35:00 - [55] - Quote ITT: OP discovers the meaning of gambling despite shaky claims of evidence and poor math skills. What's next, an expose on insurance companies and how they make profits? Ground breaking work into the field of banking and research into these interest rate thingies? I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all.
embrel BamBam Inc. 23	Posted - 2013.08.09 13:36:00 - [56] - Quote Tippia wrote: Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote: You just discovered the business model of literally every Casino. slow clap Well hey, it's more than most casino customers do, so there's thatGÇª but I do have a system!
E-2C Hawkeye State War Academy Caldari State 245	Posted - 2013.08.09 13:40:00 - [57] - Quote Cipio Alduin wrote: Well it's nice to know that when i choose to share some work with the eve community I simply get trolled and abused How apt and immature I appreciate the work and the effort, BUT did you really expect any other response?
khazid Hax. Game Over. 4	Posted - 2013.08.09 13:48:00 - [58] - Quote An aussie guy that used to be in the same corp as me some time ago 'worked' for Somer Blink. He was a real douche but could pretty much guarantee the winning numbers based on some trend. It's not a problem because the people that play it would still play it even if they knew the odds were more against them they should be. It doesn't take much effort to relieve ISK from idiots. The ONLY issue I've found with it is CCP's advertising of it.
Cebraio 4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance 311	Posted - 2013.08.09 13:53:00 - [59] - Quote E-2C Hawkeye wrote: Cipio Alduin wrote: Well it's nice to know that when i choose to share some work with the eve community I simply get trolled and abused How apt and immature I appreciate the work and the effort, BUT did you really expect any other response? Sadly he did ... unless it was a successful troll.
Sahriah BloodStone Takmahl Dynamics 14	Posted - 2013.08.09 14:18:00 - [60] - Quote When i first started trying blink i did some research to!! I took the number of slots you can bet on and times it by the amount it cost per blink. and then i checked the market price on the item. Lo and behold blink makes like a 10% profit on every single one!!!1! That took me about 5min. And i pretty much summed up your entire post. Blink makes extra money..when a crapton of people play they make a LOT of extra money. Could you let us know where this website is? Id love to get paid for doing 'research' to. Whats funny is i regularly have people spending $500-1000 a day in the gambling room at the restaurant i work in. Could you do a paper on where these people get that kind of money to just blow?
Jove Death Red Dawn Mercenaries Whores in space 38	Posted - 2013.08.09 14:24:00 - [61] - Quote soooooooo if somebody wins a t2 bpo like the other month which was prob worth about 250bill. How much do they have to input to get that? Or does someblink pick the highest person that has deposited isk and pick them at random. I understand the margins are slim but I know there are chars out there that play blink that are in profit. TBH ITS A LOTTERY GET OVER IT! You could have actually just given your isk to me instead of doing all that work for somthing we know already
Kashmyta Sickology 56	Posted - 2013.08.09 14:59:00 - [62] - Quote Cipio Alduin wrote: I am a married man with children. I understand the scan part but i don't get why you said that, what relevance does that comment have to the post?
Seven Koskanaiken Under the Wings of Fury Atrocitas 339	Posted - 2013.08.09 16:55:00 - [63] - Quote Victoria Sin wrote: Of course it's a fix. The house is also betting (via alts), so the house wins a good number of its own blinks. That doesn't mean you don't also have a chance of winning as the odds are still 1/8 for the small stuff and 1/16 for the big stuff (sometimes other odds) but over the course of time the house will always win and your account will regress to the mean, which is lower than break-even (I don't know what it actually is). Listen people, don't gamble your hard earned isk on Sommerblink. It's addictive and eventually it's going to clean you out. Looking at a firetail blink with a buyout of 10800000 and a blink of 2000000 the payout is 5.4 to 1. So e = (5.4(1/8))+(-1(7/8)) = -0.2 or 20%. A rorqual blink has buyout 2742280000 and a blink of 191500000, a payout of 14.32 to 1. The big blinks seem to be more profitable (or technically, less unprofitable) to play than the small blinks unless each blink has an individual edge, in which case someone can write a script to find the best blinks to play. SOMER's edges of 20% and 17% are quite high though. The house edge on a roulette wheel is only 2.7%. The only game I think has a similar edge in a casino is Keno. Basically, SOMERblink is a game for suckers.
Telegram Sam Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1035	Posted - 2013.08.09 17:05:00 - [64] - Quote Somer Blink gave me 10bil isk for prizes for an EVE fiction contest. I only asked them for 2bil, but when they saw that the contest was legit, they unilaterally upped the donation to 10bil. They may be a for-profit business, but they're generous in their support for the EVE community.
HUGO DRAX Wraithguard. Dirt Nap Squad. 8	Posted - 2013.08.09 19:36:00 - [65] - Quote 30 page research to figure out that Casinos make money by having a house edge over the customers who play the game? It is not rocket science. BLINK is a business, they have a house edge.
RubyPorto SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 3849	Posted - 2013.08.09 19:41:00 - [66] - Quote Kashmyta wrote: Cipio Alduin wrote: I am a married man with children. what relevance does that comment have to the post? It makes his spending $3000 USD on learning that Bookies take a cut.... less.... sad? This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody. "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon
HUGO DRAX Wraithguard. Dirt Nap Squad. 8	Posted - 2013.08.09 19:44:00 - [67] - Quote Someone should do a research on attempting a Martingale strategy on BLINK.
Cyonsiaros StrawHat Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.08.09 19:55:00 - [68] - Quote The most common misconception here is that the odds of winning a 1/16 raffle with 1 ticket are 1/16. The truth is this is barely ever the case. The truth is somer picks the winning number when somer wants to. On ultras and gigas. There's several somer alts posting in this thread about: It's a casino, It's gambling, Neither really reflect the true nature as they prey on the stupidity of the masses who than feel the need to disregard everything else and relate the operation to a simple lottery. You're not allowed to pick your shill accounts in lottos, there are laws against it. In fake spaceship world, there are no such laws governing. People even think somer is female, on the contrary, somer is a male, whose life partner is also male. There's nothing wrong with that but it shows you how clueless people really are, how disillusioned. Somer buries alternates in the dozens both in blink and in game, literally adopts different personalities for these alternates. Many of which were created 2010 or later, as that's when blink was implemented and old alternates for banking use would not suffice. 3 shil accounts can buy 7, 2 and 1 ticket respectively getting 10/16 tickets on an ultra, people don't second guess when they lose when you set it up this way, furthermore you can revert to the legit lines of code anytime should there be an issue. The reason why additional profits are sought is because Isk has a real world money value, it's a great system though as we're not allowed to talk about specifics in this area because it violates forum rules. The reason why ccp cannot nail somer is because you can tell a computer to send a fake set of data indecipherable from real data as to spoof information which would identify your computer. The specifics of which are also not allowed to be discussed on the forums. There's a whole world out there, those in the know, those who are not. Knowledge is power. Quick shout out to somer who gave me a plex when my account had no time left and 1 hour was left on the 4 hours granted to plex the account up. Quick shout out to the success of blink and the customers it holds, it's the perfect amount of rigging, well unless you consider how many people look at shills landing 10 tickets in less than 1 second. Somer states he bans automated accounts, you'd think he'd include his own shills. Nobody can click 10 tickets in a second with the constraints of the human brain and body. The signals from our brain travel quickly, when the signal turns into mechanical action - not so much. The reaction time required is not possible - not nearly by even those with the fastest recorded response times in human history. The house takes a lot more than the difference in ticket price at the end of the day, and very much of that isk given away is simply given back to the system. Final note. Somer lists having given out 1 quadrillion isk. Final note, Andrev, somer's partner notes no wallet has over 5 trillion in game Final note, if they kept 0.5% as the margin on 1 quadrillion they'd have a wallet exceeding 5T The isk is laundered and there is no way in the computer savvy world to distinguish spoofed data from legitimate unique nodes
RubyPorto SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 3849	Posted - 2013.08.09 21:19:00 - [69] - Quote Cyonsiaros FoilHat wrote: FYN. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody. "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon
RubyPorto SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 3849	Posted - 2013.08.09 21:25:00 - [70] - Quote Anyway, shill accounts turn a guaranteed profit (and the rake on Blinks is not small) into a wager. Casinos are not in the business of gambling on raked games. Incidentally, it is perfectly legal for casinos to use shills (and proposition players) in raked games (done as a customer service when there would otherwise not be enough players to keep the game going, not as a profit seeking endeavor). This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody. "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon
Obunagawe 210	Posted - 2013.08.09 21:26:00 - [71] - Quote The biggest issue I have with Somer is the legalised RMT aspect. I'm fine with the guy being an ingame quadrillionaire. But he's also an IRL multi-millionaire. None of the rest of us are allowed to RMT in such a way.
Mac Munoz Only One Corp 0	Posted - 2013.08.09 23:25:00 - [72] - Quote I am unsure why everyone keeps saying that SOMER has some house edge or statistical advantage over you. You aren't playing against SOMER you are playing against other players. SOMER is just providing the means for you to play with those other players. And for her trouble she takes a profit on each lottery. That all said it doesn't mean that they couldn't have their own alts playing as well, trust is just something you will have to have. They publish the code they use to generate the random numbers as well. She is as open as I feel she needs to be about this service while at the same time protecting herself from competition. At the end of the day the service is a form of gambling and can be directly likened to a state or country funded lottery in real life.
Solstice Project I'm So Meta Even This Acronym 3543	Posted - 2013.08.09 23:32:00 - [73] - Quote I'm posting this, because i've registered at somer blink today because of this thread. I've invested 200mill, invested quite a bit of the winnings as blink credits (around 120mill) and then started cashing out again. I've got my whole 200mill back and made 150mill profit, while i still had around 150mill credits left. I've played through, no break, for less than two hours. (haven't actually looked at the watch, but it was def. less than two hours) I'll play with the rest ... and then just keep running through my 400+ won tokens. :)
Bob Blunts 48	Posted - 2013.08.10 00:33:00 - [74] - Quote Obunagawe wrote: The biggest issue I have with Somer is the legalised RMT aspect. I'm fine with the guy being an ingame quadrillionaire. But he's also an IRL multi-millionaire. None of the rest of us are allowed to RMT in such a way. Citation needed.
Ace Boogi Republic University Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2013.08.10 02:52:00 - [75] - Quote i recognized some of the names on the suspect list. i always see them winning but never did any research on them. i play blink occasionally, just small amounts here and there and the promos, and so far i'm in the green. i've won and cashed out roughly twice the amount i deposited, so although my account is empty atm from a losing streak, i still gained isk and basically doubled my investment, like paying for one plex and getting two. even if the first plex got eaten up by the investment and losses, the second one is pure profit. the only time i ever really had a 'suspect' moment was when i saw some guy with a ridiculous win ratio who got 2 carrier promos literally back to back.... just struck me as incredibly unlikely in 2 lottos with over 200 tickets each... but not impossible. i've also seen instances of the same number being selected twice in a row for promos, again unlikely but not impossible. overall, i'm satisifed with blink's service and i know plenty of other people that are as well. a couple of buddies have won pretty big on there in the long run.
Hawelt Warpspeed Shipping Inc. 3	Posted - 2013.08.10 05:37:00 - [76] - Quote Cipio Alduin wrote: You will in the end, loose close to, if not more, than you win and your original deposit, will be gone. What else did you expect from a self-sustaining lottery ?! That your company has to spend money to figure out the basic concepts behind the business model of casinos and lotteries is mind boggling.
cerbus www.caldariprimeponyclub.com 121	Posted - 2013.08.10 11:45:00 - [77] - Quote Eugene Kerner wrote: omg every ******* lottery on this planet works with the similar systeme. Of course they gain more than they give out... If you had to spend so much isk to see that pattern then you must be very good at what you do. Not all to be fair. 500+ ships for you to spin in your browser at work - http://eohgames.com/labs#halp Ship Customisation Survey - www.tinyurl.com/cppcsurvey Eve 3d Modelling Resources - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=257193
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM 1795	Posted - 2013.08.10 15:17:00 - [78] - Quote cerbus wrote: Eugene Kerner wrote: omg every ******* lottery on this planet works with the similar systeme. Of course they gain more than they give out... If you had to spend so much isk to see that pattern then you must be very good at what you do. Not all to be fair. [citation needed] Steve Ronuken for CSM 9!-á I'm starting early :) Handy tools and an SDE conversion Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Rayo Atra Aliastra Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2013.08.10 20:02:00 - [79] - Quote for the record, ISK deposited: 1.6 Bil Value of blinks won: 5.1 Bil This does not include the winning to 2 promos which were a kronos and rorqual. which went for 3.1 bil total. I am a casual blink player that is up 8 billion.

ISD Tyrozan ISD Community Communications Liaisons 147	Posted - 2013.08.10 21:10:00 - [80] - Quote Thread has been moved to Crime & Punishment. ISD Tyrozan Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

Cyonsiaros StrawHat Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2013.08.10 21:29:00 - [81] - Quote ^ Agree fully
Jax Zaden Prometheus Deep Core Mining 3	Posted - 2013.08.10 21:36:00 - [82] - Quote There is a pattern that exist within the ultra Blinks - I made 20+ billion within a couple of hours. The challenge is that it only happens is spurts so you have to know when to cash out or you'll be on the other side of it. Some of my numbers were 12 out 14 wins with 50% of the tickets and then 1 out of 15 wins when I was on the wrong side of it
Grog Barrel Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 46	Posted - 2013.08.10 21:56:00 - [83] - Quote Rayo Atra wrote: for the record, ISK deposited: 1.6 Bil Value of blinks won: 5.1 Bil This does not include the winning to 2 promos which were a kronos and rorqual. which went for 3.1 bil total. I am a casual blink player that is up 8 billion. Well done mate, you just proved that Blink is legit. Keep it going champ.
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 2047	Posted - 2013.08.10 21:57:00 - [84] - Quote Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote: You just discovered the business model of literally every Casino. slow clap It is purely for entertainment. For what it is worth, my small-potatoes stats: Blinks Played 111 ISK Deposited 215,000,000 ISK Promo Blinks Played 178 Win Ratio 18.92% Blinks Won 21 Value of Blinks Won 1,068,000,000 ISK Megablinks Won 0 Winnings Transformed to Blink Credit 152,460,000 ISK Promo Blinks Won 0 Winnings Transformed to ISK 0 ISK I don't think this includes the Gila I got from unwrapping a gift during a celebration, and the deposited ISK includes bonus and gift deposits; I only deposited 100m. I cashed-in a couple of frigates I won (Hookbills) and took the rest as ships.
Grog Barrel Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 46	Posted - 2013.08.10 22:46:00 - [85] - Quote Tau Cabalander wrote: Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote: You just discovered the business model of literally every Casino. slow clap but I can't compare to Somer's generosity. interesting.
Mike Adoulin Trans-Aerospace Industries 309	Posted - 2013.08.11 01:42:00 - [86] - Quote ISD Tyrozan wrote: Thread has been moved to Crime & Punishment. /facepalms We love you too, Tyrozan. What's the old saying? Lotteries are a tax on stupid people.....
Cyonsiaros StrawHat Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2013.08.11 02:02:00 - [87] - Quote There is a good reason why CCP donates ships to BIG lottery and gives BIG lottery front page coverage. There is a good reason why CCP does not donate special ships to Somer Blink and doesn't cover SOMER. If all things were equal somer would get the coverage and the sponsorship by CCP, but somer is not legitimate so it doesn't. Thinking really is not that hard if you give it a try. //
Andrev Nox SOMER Blink Cognitive Development 227	Posted - 2013.08.11 02:29:00 - [88] - Quote Cyonsiaros StrawHat wrote: There is a good reason why CCP does not donate special ships to Somer Blink and doesn't cover SOMER. You only played a few weeks before you were banned, and your thread hasn't been getting much attention, so I understand why making up facts is easier than knowing them :) http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/somer-blink-celebrates-900-trillion-isk-in-prizes-2/ http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/somer-blink-to-fund-all-new-eden-open-entrants/ http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/gambling-sees-trillions-of-isk-in-turnover/ http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/somer-blink-giveaway-celebration/ http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/community-spotlight-somer-blink/ And a $50 eve store gift card that was contributed to our 50T celebration. :) Somer Blink - The original microlottery site.
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM 1795	Posted - 2013.08.11 02:31:00 - [89] - Quote Cyonsiaros StrawHat wrote: There is a good reason why CCP donates ships to BIG lottery and gives BIG lottery front page coverage. There is a good reason why CCP does not donate special ships to Somer Blink and doesn't cover SOMER. If all things were equal somer would get the coverage and the sponsorship by CCP, but somer is not legitimate so it doesn't. Thinking really is not that hard if you give it a try. // Probably because Somer doesn't need the sponsorship? They give stuff away all the damn time. They did get a community spotlight. http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/community-spotlight-somer-blink/ Steve Ronuken for CSM 9!-á I'm starting early :) Handy tools and an SDE conversion Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Xolve Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 1781	Posted - 2013.08.11 03:31:00 - [90] - Quote Sure seems like a scam to me...
Xellahmai Dallocort The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.08.11 03:51:00 - [91] - Quote I've been playing SOMER Blink since March of this year when I hit a point with my finances that I was comfortable doing so. I jumped in after hearing good things from other players and doing my own simple investigation to figure out how it worked. I noticed something rather obvious on their web page that explained how SOMER can legitimately afford to stay in business. Each Blink clearly states the buyout value of the prize, the number of tickets available and the purchase price for each ticket. This is enough data to calculate SOMER's per prize revenue and gross profit. And guess what? They are making a fair profit off each prize no matter who wins. This publicly available data makes it absolute transparent as to how SOMER is able to operate a fun game over the long term while giving out tons of free promos and other free prizes and donating to the community. During a recent celebration event someone at SOMER made a simple mistake which resulted in a prize being awarded to the wrong person. A scam business might have voided the play or ignored the person who reported the mistake. SOMER immediately and without hesitation chose to pay out an extra 50+ billion ISK prize to the other person which I think is a very classy way of saying "sorry, we're human and we sometimes make mistakes too". I look at all available data and recognize that it would not be profitable to shill, scam or cheat their player base in any way. Just like so many things in EVE it comes down to simple math. The gross profit that they pull in is more than I could ever make through any sort of in-game trading at this ISK volume and for that my hat is off to Somer for thinking of it before I did (and doing it right). I don't play SOMER Blink to make ISK, I play because it's entertaining. I enjoy hanging out in the public chat channel. I enjoy politely talking **** with fellow players as our respective luck swings back and forth. I spend all day controlling the outcome of events as a manager IRL. I can relax and have fun playing Blink because no one has any control over the outcome and anything could happen. Swedish Hero (1/64 win) on a JF? Been there, done that and it felt great, thanks! Cheers, X
Cipio Alduin Keep Calm And Log Off 16	Posted - 2013.08.11 13:04:00 - [92] - Quote Love reading the replies. Second part of my paper is based on this You guys are doing my work for me!
Minmatar Citizen160812 The LGBT Last Supper 365	Posted - 2013.08.11 16:12:00 - [93] - Quote I've never used the site because I like my gambling in real money at the track but... Blink gives free "promo" blinks correct? That's the same as the "free play" cards casinos give out to get your ass in the seat? Play ONLY that money and cash out as soon as a good hit comes along or the "free play" money is gone. That's the only way to beat a house.
Phoenix Einherjar Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 14	Posted - 2013.08.11 23:09:00 - [94] - Quote Cipio Alduin wrote: Love reading the replies. Second part of my paper is based on this You guys are doing my work for me! hahaha. no. Please stop trying to cover the butthurt You deposited 90b ISK and that was "subsidised" by your work? Please private mail me contact details for your company/boss. I will gladly write a report for them on SOMERBlink for the paltry sum of 10b ISK. It will however only be 1 (maybe 2) pages long, and contain the words "works like every other lottery in existence" Paradoxical Honour (blog)
Sabriz Adoudel Oppan Ganknam Style 627	Posted - 2013.08.12 04:25:00 - [95] - Quote SOMER Blink is the best scam in the game, and it manages that without telling a single lie or even partial falsehood. Just accept that every time you hit 'play' you are losing 2-5% of the ISK you are betting. If it's fun, play. If it's not fun (or not fun enough to merit that expense), walk. An enemy is just a friend that you stab in the front.
Sar'ran Zorn St. Albans' Refuge 24	Posted - 2013.08.12 04:29:00 - [96] - Quote You deeply misunderstand what the word "scam" means, and how to use it in a sentence. If something does what it says on the tin, it's not a scam. It's a business.
RubyPorto SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 3858	Posted - 2013.08.12 05:21:00 - [97] - Quote Cipio Alduin wrote: Love reading the replies. Second part of my paper is based on this You guys are doing my work for me! .... would your work have otherwise involved making up fake replies? This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody. "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon
Brink Albosa Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 10	Posted - 2013.08.12 05:57:00 - [98] - Quote popcorn
Dilligafmofo The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion. 209	Posted - 2013.08.12 08:02:00 - [99] - Quote OP, Please don't feel cheated. Take a moment, if you will, and consider the rest of us on this planet we call Earth. Your Father released millions of sperm on that fateful drunken night, the winning swimmer created you. How cheated do you think we feel?
Eugene Kerner TunDraGon Suddenly Spaceships. 792	Posted - 2013.08.12 09:22:00 - [100] - Quote easily one of the better trolls this week. "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
Masked Frog Moo's Mudpit 0	Posted - 2013.08.12 16:39:00 - [101] - Quote People need to realize that even if there was Shill Accounts bidding it in no way would effect the amount you win/lose. If you buy 4 of 8 tickets you still have the same odds of winning if 4 of the other bids are fake or real players. The only thing it would effect is not paying out as much for BLINK. It isn't an auction its a lottery. Remember that and just have fun playing. There are plenty of ways to play to minimize your loses. You can also play in ways to almost certainly destroy your ability to come out even. I believe i am actually ahead some,takes time and willpower to not just blow all your money.
Inignort Err Wolf Star Enterprises 3	Posted - 2013.08.12 19:59:00 - [102] - Quote Cipio Alduin wrote: Below are the top 5 players who i recorded in the 5-10 billion ISK mark, some times within 2-3 hours or other times over 2-3 days. Now, we all know that making this amount of ISK in EvE without buying a metric ton of PLEXES. Now, here is your list. Bloodraven22 <-- Deposited 21 billion ISK on capital ships in less than 2 hours, winning 98% of the lotteries R0ot <-- Deposited over 6 billion in 1 hour, bidding on everything he could and winning 90% of the lotteries ejen8208 <-- Deposited 3 billion 20 minutes on capital ships and only lost 4 of the lotteries Lord Peanut <-- Suspect with the amount of ISK being put in Armarria <-- Same as above Dingus, or whosit, from this 'lottery' that posted earlier, tore OP apart; but I missed the reaction to this section of the OP. I'll read the report. Much has been made of casinos and lotteries. As a former wink card counter I appreciate one thing and one thing only in casinos (well two if you count the free booze). Rate of ruin. You will go down unless you get up and leave while you are ahead and/or setup a stop-loss to leave when you are behind. I did chuckle at Dingus referring to RNG's and random.org. LOL dude -- I'll take your word random Internet gaming billionaire and I'll play your game as soon as I get my money back from FullTilt. "You always said the cards would never do you wrong; The trick you said was never play the game too long." Bob Seger EVE = Formula One -á* -áSWTOR = Indy Car -á* WOW = NASCAR DUCY?
Lugalbandak Anunnaku Industrial Corp. Northern Associates. 111	Posted - 2013.09.17 20:04:00 - [103] - Quote The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back
Ristlin Wakefield Pentag Blade Curatores Veritatis Alliance 359	Posted - 2013.09.17 20:24:00 - [104] - Quote All I know is that I put 1 billion in, got 3 billion out and left it at that. Some people go back for more winnings....well you in trouble :P I also profited from Erotica's double game. It's all a game of chance and that's what makes it fun! The best scams have winners and losers. Be the winner! I have a lover, her name is EVE. I see her every night and all she asks in return is that I have a pilot's license.
Notthespai School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.09.18 01:14:00 - [105] - Quote Masked Frog wrote: People need to realize that even if there was Shill Accounts bidding it in no way would effect the amount you win/lose. If you buy 4 of 8 tickets you still have the same odds of winning if 4 of the other bids are fake or real players. The only thing it would effect is not paying out as much for BLINK. I look at these shill accounts like games played with loaded dice. Its all programed weight now if you give these shill accounts a higher weight than everyone else playing you only have a 1/12 chance of winning while the shill gets a 4/12 get it. You never see whats going on behind the scenes neither has any employee nor associate beside SOMER(no source)..
Sar'ran Zorn St. Albans' Refuge 28	Posted - 2013.09.18 01:32:00 - [106] - Quote The OP's alt pulled a no-content necro, and you tards keep sperging into it. We're all sick of hearing tinfoil about blink. Just don't play it if you don't want to. There is no one left in eve that hasn't heard your bitching at this point.
Phoenix Einherjar Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 20	Posted - 2013.09.18 02:21:00 - [107] - Quote Sar'ran Zorn wrote: The OP's alt pulled a no-content necro, and you tards keep sperging into it. We're all sick of hearing tinfoil about blink. Just don't play it if you don't want to. There is no one left in eve that hasn't heard your bitching at this point. I saw this got necro'd and got my hopes up and popcorn ready thinking OP was posting his report as promised... Aawwww. Paradoxical Honour (blog)
Lucas Kell JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance 728	Posted - 2013.09.19 12:55:00 - [108] - Quote Andrev Nox wrote: EPIC DAMAGE CONTROL No need to defend it dude. We all know it's a scam, and still people play it. You can say "oh think of how much work it would be to run shill accounts". Almost none. You write the system that runs the lotteries, so adding the ability for someone to be prioritised would be a minimal change. As for the whole "why would we scam?" question, easy. RMT. If you buy a whole bunch of plex with raw profit and start dishing it out you're going to throw up red flags. A LOT of red flags. If however "random" people are winning a whole bunch of isk or items, then trading those about to other people (perhaps "accidently" falling for a "sell a plex for 500k" scam) the noone is the wiser. It's not the first time lotteries have been rigged to launder money. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff.
The Bounty Collector Hedion University Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2013.09.19 15:59:00 - [109] - Quote It is 100% confirmed and known that Somer Blink is a complete scam. They have shill accounts and ban anyone that speaks up on the scam. Ironically just like the previous poster they make a big fuss on zero tolerance for RMT when in fact their entire operation is a giant RMT scam. Evealopalous is the same deal just much easier to spot and run by a less inteligent scammer. Keep your isk if you do not want to support scammers and RMT.
Lucas Kell JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance 818	Posted - 2013.09.20 13:00:00 - [110] - Quote Yup yup, down with RMT! The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff.
Literally Space Moses Perkone Caldari State 16	Posted - 2013.09.20 13:12:00 - [111] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Yup yup, down with RMT!
Lucas Kell JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance 822	Posted - 2013.09.20 22:45:00 - [112] - Quote Literally Space Moses wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: Yup yup, down with RMT! A CFC member saying down with RMT is kinda funny, given their huge botting/RMT ring. The huge unproven allegations of an RMT botting ring by people butthurt at being blobbed by the CFC. Besides, anything I say is from me, personally, not a representation of the CFC, and I am against RMT. I just don't believe you can say anything with conviction if you hide behind alts like most of the forum. If I saw any evidence of RMT or botting within my own alliance, I'd be against that and report it too. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff.
Sar'ran Zorn St. Albans' Refuge 29	Posted - 2013.09.21 01:01:00 - [113] - Quote The Bounty Collector wrote: It is 100% confirmed and known that Somer Blink is a complete scam. (citation needed) Lucas Kell wrote: unproven allegations of an RMT botting ring by people butthurt. This post in this thread proves C&P have no idea how hilariously oblivious their tinfoil is.
virm pasuul Mine 'N' Refine The Unforgiven Alliance 44	Posted - 2013.09.21 13:54:00 - [114] - Quote Given the legit viable nature of the business model - sum of tickets cost more than value of the prize, difference goes to blink. And the volume of business that blink does it strikes me as logical that they should not cheat/shill win. Probably blink's biggest asset they own is not their huge cash pile but the player trust they have earned over time in a very low trust environment ( Eve ). If someone could conclusively with evidence beyond any shadow of a doubt prove a single blink lottery had been fixed their business would collapse overnight. Without the trust their business model has no more value than Jita scam spam. As an example of this value - try setting up a competitor to blink, see how easy it is to get players to trust your lottery site. A few have tried, none have even come close to blink and some have been found proof positive to be scams. I believe it is logically in Blink's best interest that they don't endanger that trust. If it is ever lost it could never be rebuilt, there would always be some doubt. Logically they are much better off taking their skim off the top which they do in a very open and transparent way and actively working to protect and ensure that trust is not endangered. Logically it makes the most sense for Blink not to cheat. This does not constitute proof they are not cheating.
Lucas Kell JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance 838	Posted - 2013.09.22 12:08:00 - [115] - Quote virm pasuul wrote: Given the legit viable nature of the business model - sum of tickets cost more than value of the prize, difference goes to blink. And the volume of business that blink does it strikes me as logical that they should not cheat/shill win. Why? I reckon RMT is a powerful motivator when you are in control of trillions of isk. virm pasuul wrote: Probably blink's biggest asset they own is not their huge cash pile but the player trust they have earned over time in a very low trust environment ( Eve ). If someone could conclusively with evidence beyond any shadow of a doubt prove a single blink lottery had been fixed their business would collapse overnight. Without the trust their business model has no more value than Jita scam spam. There's no way for shill accounts to get caught with proof. At most there's threads like this which get written off as luck for random players. virm pasuul wrote: As an example of this value - try setting up a competitor to blink, see how easy it is to get players to trust your lottery site. A few have tried, none have even come close to blink and some have been found proof positive to be scams. There's already a few other lottery and gambling sites. BLINK is just one of the biggest. That fact means nothing however, since there's no way to prove anything without having access to the internals of their system, virm pasuul wrote: I believe it is logically in Blink's best interest that they don't endanger that trust. If it is ever lost it could never be rebuilt, there would always be some doubt. Logically they are much better off taking their skim off the top which they do in a very open and transparent way and actively working to protect and ensure that trust is not endangered. Logically it makes the most sense for Blink not to cheat. This does not constitute proof they are not cheating. Again though, since there's no way to prove it, they can safely cheat the system all they want. As the control of the ISK goes out of EVE, completely into their system, then gets redistributed by them, they can do whatever they want with it. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff.
Lightbringer High Sec Liberators 0	Posted - 2013.09.23 10:31:00 - [116] - Quote I did my first 50mil as a test on an orca, i won, i converted it into blink Credit, won a revelation, took the ISK put 600mil back in, win a Revelation, took the isk, 600mil back in Won a Naglfar. around 7 Billion Isk ontop of my original 50million ISK, damn i feel scammed.
Lucas Kell JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance 847	Posted - 2013.09.23 10:40:00 - [117] - Quote Lightbringer wrote: I did my first 50mil as a test on an orca, i won, i converted it into blink Credit, won a revelation, took the ISK put 600mil back in, win a Revelation, took the isk, 600mil back in Won a Naglfar. around 7 Billion Isk ontop of my original 50million ISK, damn i feel scammed. Well they wouldn't get very far without legitimate winners. Nobody is saying they don't pay out to the actual players, but that doesn't stop them siphoning ISK for RMT. Trillions of isk goes through them, it's easy enough for them to pay out to legitimate players to keep their reputation without damaging their business. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff.
Alexi Steele Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1	Posted - 2013.09.23 10:50:00 - [118] - Quote Protip, captain butthurt - anytime anyone ever sees a CFC member try to cry foul about RMT, we laugh. We laugh and laugh and laugh. At you. Because you RMT.
Lucas Kell JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance 847	Posted - 2013.09.23 14:20:00 - [119] - Quote Alexi Steele wrote: Protip, captain butthurt - anytime anyone ever sees a CFC member try to cry foul about RMT, we laugh. We laugh and laugh and laugh. At you. Because you RMT. So you take an accusation with utterly no evidence by a bunch of butthurt people about and alliance, the you use that to discriminate against all members of that alliance and all associated alliances. Oh no random guy (a random guy hiding behind an alt at that)! please don't laugh at me! It will make me has a sad! lol. Still though, BLINK = RMT ISK laundering. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff.
virm pasuul Mine 'N' Refine The Unforgiven Alliance 44	Posted - 2013.09.23 15:24:00 - [120] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: So you take an accusation with utterly no evidence... Still though, BLINK = RMT ISK laundering. You don't have a problem with hypocracy do you?
Ivan Krividus Straightedge and Compass Industrial 15	Posted - 2013.09.24 00:19:00 - [121] - Quote They make it so that you can make a profit off of the early achievements with BLINK, and after the free ISK goes away you're left playing thinking that you will continue to make money, without realizing that all the net profit was due to that free ISK at the start. As for me, im working to the "win 1 blink a week" achievement, so i can cash it in, and walk away with a profit.
Lucas Kell JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance 921	Posted - 2013.09.25 07:42:00 - [122] - Quote virm pasuul wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: So you take an accusation with utterly no evidence... Still though, BLINK = RMT ISK laundering. You don't have a problem with hypocracy do you? Nope, not at all. :D Besides, I have evidence, it's called history. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff.
Notthespai School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 4	Posted - 2013.09.26 22:28:00 - [123] - Quote Lightbringer wrote: I did my first 50mil as a test on an orca, i won, i converted it into blink Credit, won a revelation, took the ISK put 600mil back in, win a Revelation, took the isk, 600mil back in Won a Naglfar. around 7 Billion Isk ontop of my original 50million ISK, damn i feel scammed. The ** you doing playing Somer go play the lottery you stupid ** ... thats just dumb luck though.
Logical Chaos Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships. 58	Posted - 2013.09.27 10:07:00 - [124] - Quote So yeah, just read through this threadnaught. There is one thing I would like to throw to all those people who say: "Why should somer scam via shill accounts and risk their already good and steady profit?" Simple thought: What would you do with 100b ISK ingame? What would you do with 500b? What would you do with 1T? 4T? Simple answer: At some point, more money does not buy you more enjoyment. 100b ISK is not too much anymore if you want to have a Titan for example. 500b is a different story. You can easily buy a kickass Character + Titan + pimp PvP-ships for like forever. So at some point you want to profit IRL. Since eve offers this possibility like any MMO out there. So it is indeed entirely possible that they are involved in RMT. I don't know maybe if you buy ISK somewhere you get told to register with somer and play a few blinks, I haven't tried and don't care to do. By the way OP: That's what you should have done, although it is obviously against the EULA. And what makes somer not trustable? Back in the day super lotteries (those ceased to exist since somer is in the market I think) have mostly used Chribba's lottery site that was kind of open-source if I remember correct. But even Chribba could have added Shill accounts since everything is on his server. Same thing with somer. And as pointed out in this thread: It is easy to add code that lets you pick people for increased winning changes or even automate this process. But there is no way that somer can ever provide proof that they are legitimate. Published code is just published code, no one can guarantee that the same stuff runs on their servers.
Cage Man 267	Posted - 2013.10.01 00:48:00 - [125] - Quote OMG!!! I knew it was true.. I have also been scammed.. Isk deposited: 1,002,000,000 Value of wins: 3,740,001,375 Wins I don't think include the Sin, vindi, 10 x canes (promo stack) and any other promo's I took out of blink. If someone would please deposit another 1 bil into my account so i can prove I have been scammed by repeating my steps it would greatly be appreciated. Cheers, Cage Scam Tester The thick plottens... CCP, When can my crane get its black paint job back??
Rengor Elongur Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.10.01 14:00:00 - [126] - Quote Seven Koskanaiken wrote: Victoria Sin wrote: Of course it's a fix. The house is also betting (via alts), so the house wins a good number of its own blinks. That doesn't mean you don't also have a chance of winning as the odds are still 1/8 for the small stuff and 1/16 for the big stuff (sometimes other odds) but over the course of time the house will always win and your account will regress to the mean, which is lower than break-even (I don't know what it actually is). Listen people, don't gamble your hard earned isk on Sommerblink. It's addictive and eventually it's going to clean you out. Looking at a firetail blink with a buyout of 10800000 and a blink of 2000000 the payout is 5.4 to 1. So e = (5.4(1/8))+(-1(7/8)) = -0.2 or 20%. A rorqual blink has buyout 2,742,280,000 and a blink of 191,500,000, a payout of 14.32 to 1. e = (14.32(1/16))+(-1(15/16)) = -0.0425 or 4.25%. The big blinks seem to be more profitable (or technically, less unprofitable) to play than the small blinks. Perhaps each blink has an individual edge, in which case someone can write a script to find the best blinks to play. SOMER's edges are quite high though. The house edge on a roulette wheel is only 2.7%. Basically, SOMERblink is a game for suckers. You have to consider the achievements also. There are some for "Blinks won" / "Ships won" and "Blinks played" If you add them add they come to a "lot" if you try to achieve some of the lower Tier achievements in an optimal way. My best (non-mathematically verified) gut feeling is that the first few blinks have a slightly positive ev. (But thats just in order to get you hooked, you can only loose Long term... But that should be clear to anyone) Also dont be so harsh with the OP... He did some research in order to help the comunity. On a related note, he can send me some billions in order to try my new ISK-Loosing Service (Not public yet, but it offers in game medals for every Billion lost and I offer a 10% Bonus for each Billion lost! so loose 10 Billion and make 1 Billion Profit...)
Sir Prometeus Shimai of New Eden 9	Posted - 2013.10.10 12:50:00 - [127] - Quote The promos in this lottery makes me wonder about the balance of the income and outcome they have. Of course, every blink gives them money. For example, a ship which costs 10m, with 2m ticket and a total of 8 tickets. 8x2 = 16, so they are winning 6 million for that type of Blink ALWAYS. There's no doubt about that. However, in the promos, the prize can be 5 times the cost of all the tickets (tokens) Therefore they are ALWAYS losing money with each promo. Let's assume that each player only puts money to get tokens (the prizes for spending that money in blinks contribute to reduce the cost, or not), and all of those players don't put more money until they have spent all the tokens. The only chance to give them a way to win "at least" 5 times more than what they give in promo's prizes is, that there are people who play blinks continuously and don't spend all the tokens. PS And all that, assuming it's not a colossal scam. I'm just playing because a friend of mine does that and he's winning by the moment.
Erotica 1 Krypteia Operations Self Sabatoge 1378	Posted - 2013.10.10 14:13:00 - [128] - Quote I am a close personal friend of one of the "suspects" the op lists. That person has identified patterns and plays those patterns on a regular basis for an overall consistent profit (along with plenty of losses, though fewer than wins). Anyone can identify these patterns if they play enough or watch enough. If you don't want to risk the isk but still want to win big, there is always my game in my bio. See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did.
Batelle RisingSuns 179	Posted - 2013.10.10 15:23:00 - [129] - Quote Its a lottery. Even if it was a legit lottery with no manipulation, the expected return on your investment is well below 1, and again, this is assuming the guys running it aren't manipulating the chances to win in order to promote certain behavior. So why people put their isk into it has always been beyond me. But now CCP has given them an actual reason to give them your isk. Fighting is Magic
Sir Prometeus Shimai of New Eden 9	Posted - 2013.10.11 10:59:00 - [130] - Quote Batelle wrote: Its a lottery. Even if it was a legit lottery with no manipulation, the expected return on your investment is well below 1, and again, this is assuming the guys running it aren't manipulating the chances to win in order to promote certain behavior. So why people put their isk into it has always been beyond me. But now CCP has given them an actual reason to give them your isk. Claiming to have "figured out" blink is like claiming to know how to beat roulette or any other RL lottery system. True, but what about the promos? The prize is usually equal or higher than the total amount of bets. Sometimes it is lower, but just a tiny bit (it can be 1/4 lower than the total amount of money in tokens, but when it's higher, it can be 5 or 10 times higher or so, and there aren't as many "lower" prizes to compensate that) PS Even with the 48h limitation, you can pay only 2m for a Firetail blink, and there are many more than 2 promos each day
ry ry Snuff Box 300	Posted - 2013.10.16 10:38:00 - [131] - Quote Batelle wrote: Claiming to have "figured out" blink is like claiming to know how to beat roulette or any other RL lottery system. haven't both of these been done already? roulette, use a laser to get the ball's speed and calculate it's decaying orbit. accuracy probably in the region of which 8th of the wheel it'll land in. lottery, find a smaller or provincial lottery that has rolled over several times, if the potential payout for having every winning combination of tickets is greater than the total number of combinations * ticket price, buy all tickets so yeah, i'd say they're pretty much figured out.
Fel'ina Twilight Tesseract Industries 2	Posted - 2013.10.16 13:09:00 - [132] - Quote To me it took 5 minutes to do the math and find out that I cannot win on Blink. It is a money sink. That is why CCP likes them so much. CCP loves money sinks.
Aesheera Blacklight Recon Strictly Unprofessional 451	Posted - 2013.10.17 09:22:00 - [133] - Quote Cipio Alduin wrote: Well it's nice to know that when i choose to share some work with the eve community I simply get trolled and abused How apt and immature Reasons for you being trolled and abused: Lack of proof - check. Lack of constructive content - check. Trying to present a gamer crowd with the 'news' Lotteries make their holders money - check. * Here is my extensive research on SOMER Blink. SOMER makes money. Players win and lose. Like it? Play it. Dont like it? Dont play it. Primary since '07. GÖÑ** If it bleeds, kill it - II Support this man's tool!
Rico Minali The Straw Men 1332	Posted - 2013.10.17 13:11:00 - [134] - Quote I recently worked for 62 hours straight producing a report for my top secret government work (its secret so don't tell anyone who I am). The results of my work are below, read very carefully, I know it is very complicated but you REALLY need to know this: Eve is a terrible game and CCP ARE MAKING MONEY FROM YOU PLAYING IT! Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.

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