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Kirjava Lothian Enterprises 27880	Posted - 2013.08.09 12:09:00 - [1] - Quote Lavabit, a 10 year old encrypted email service provider in the US has chosen to cease operations instead of allowing the NSA access to its servers. It is notable for being the email provider of Edward Snowden. The Register Guardian Apparently the knock on effects are starting to bite, currently 10% of international users of US cloud providers are leaving the country over privacy concerns. It gets interesting as the providers have built up capacity in a competitive area, so cutting 10% would disproportionately effect their bottom line. The worry is that if the trend continues, could we see something comparable to the overdevelopment of fiber optics and servers in the late 90's? Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. /S¦¦GùòGÇ+GÇ+GùòS¦¦\ Unban Saede!
baltec1 Bat Country 7533	Posted - 2013.08.09 15:15:00 - [2] - Quote The USA is more or less punching itself in the balls right now.
Kirjava Lothian Enterprises 27881	Posted - 2013.08.09 16:03:00 - [3] - Quote baltec1 wrote: The USA is more or less punching itself in the balls right now. Better than over here, with the exception of the Guardian which is screaming "FIRE" not many others are paying it much attention. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. /S¦¦GùòGÇ+GÇ+GùòS¦¦\ Unban Saede!
Kirjava Lothian Enterprises 27888	Posted - 2013.08.09 17:07:00 - [4] - Quote New bit of data about NSA data collection and retention. A competitor of Lavabit has also voluntarily shut down to preempt a take down order. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. /S¦¦GùòGÇ+GÇ+GùòS¦¦\ Unban Saede!
Surfin's PlunderBunny Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 15663	Posted - 2013.08.09 17:48:00 - [5] - Quote baltec1 wrote: The USA is more or less punching itself in the balls right now. Don't judge us "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?-á http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny
Kirjava Lothian Enterprises 27910	Posted - 2013.08.09 17:50:00 - [6] - Quote Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote: baltec1 wrote: The USA is more or less punching itself in the balls right now. Don't judge us Looks like a keeper of a bruise to me Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. /S¦¦GùòGÇ+GÇ+GùòS¦¦\ Unban Saede!
Ari Xali Reikoku The Retirement Club 1	Posted - 2013.08.09 18:13:00 - [7] - Quote Been looking at this story since I saw it on Reddit earlier today. I have to applaud the owner of Lavabit for standing up for what he believes in, (and I've contributed to his defence fund) this however is only one part of the story. We keep getting told "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear", thing is, the government is hiding everything, which leads me to fear them. The democratic governments of the west seem to be systematically destroying liberty and freedom in the name of protecting it. Whilst we are hearing about the actions of the USG, I can guarantee, that other govt's around the world are doing thier own programs of internet spying. It is worthy of note that whilst the USG has the largest military and spying programs, most of the technologically advanced nations are allies of America. So the aggregation of all thier efforts is probably to big to be understood by anyone outside thier closed circle. Hi to the NSA, CIA, FBI, DEA, GCHQ, MI5, MI6, BND, DGSE and anyone else watching the thread. Ari
Kirjava Lothian Enterprises 27912	Posted - 2013.08.09 18:18:00 - [8] - Quote Seriously been tempted to open a business in Iceland over the last month or so to do what these guys had been doing. And lo and behold as I expected, they are being shut down in the US. Its ballsy to have continued in the US ever since Snowdon leaked, this was inevitable and the nets been closing over the net since we noticed the man behind the curtain. Even had my own mother using the "I have nothing to hide line" as she didn't understand why people want secrets. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. /S¦¦GùòGÇ+GÇ+GùòS¦¦\ Unban Saede!
Micheal Dietrich Kings Gambit Black 2024	Posted - 2013.08.09 18:39:00 - [9] - Quote I was really upset when I found out that the NSA was looking at my facebook page and weren't 'liking' anything. Out of Pod is getting In the Pod - Join in game channel IG OOPE
Kirjava Lothian Enterprises 27916	Posted - 2013.08.09 18:42:00 - [10] - Quote Micheal Dietrich wrote: I was really upset when I found out that the NSA was looking at my facebook page and weren't 'liking' anything. Or not saying Goodnight when you hang up the phone. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. /S¦¦GùòGÇ+GÇ+GùòS¦¦\ Unban Saede!

Alara IonStorm 5231	Posted - 2013.08.09 18:48:00 - [11] - Quote Ari Xali wrote: Hi to the NSA, CIA, FBI, DEA, GCHQ, MI5, MI6, BND, DGSE and anyone else watching the thread. CSIS gets an anyone else. Even a terrifying program of surveillance isn't enough to take Canada seriously. Be honest it's the Mountie uniforms isn't it.
Jonah Gravenstein Shepherd Contract Agency Scholarly Division 11565	Posted - 2013.08.09 18:50:00 - [12] - Quote It's kind of ironic seeing western governments turn into something they spent most of the latter part of the 20th century demonising. Orwell's 1984 was a warning, not a blueprint for 21st century government. Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt
Alara IonStorm 5231	Posted - 2013.08.09 18:56:00 - [13] - Quote Kirjava wrote: Even had my own mother using the "I have nothing to hide line" as she didn't understand why people want secrets. Let's be honest 99% of the concern of surveillance is that the people don't want Big Brother to know where their pen1s goes or what they rub it for. The other 1% is other stuff.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai 1543	Posted - 2013.08.09 19:12:00 - [14] - Quote Wanna privacy? Tell you government that you don't mind the occasional terrorist blowing you up. What you can't ask is your government to intercept the message from the guy who wants to bomb you without intercepting every other communication. The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!
Kirjava Lothian Enterprises 27933	Posted - 2013.08.09 19:49:00 - [15] - Quote Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: Wanna privacy? Tell you government that you don't mind the occasional terrorist blowing you up. What you can't ask is your government to intercept the message from the guy who wants to bomb you without intercepting every other communication. Personally I'd rather we start trying to tackle with blowback which provokes the attacks in the first place. By no means a sympathiser but it seems more practical to in future not destabilise regions full of fruitcakes. Realistically it looks like in the news that we have more to worry from Spain right now over the Rock than we do the Taliban or Al-Quaeda. By that I mean bugger all, seems to be the losers that end up doing suicide bombings outside the ME and they apparently had to trick several of the hijackers in 9/11 because they couldn't get enough people willing to commit suicide for it. Even then, we already know that terrotist cells use encryption already. Cats already out of the bag, and I see a bigger risk in industrial espionage from foreign powers abusing the openess of the net (US focus on Germany, China hacking Western R&D/utilities). Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. /S¦¦GùòGÇ+GÇ+GùòS¦¦\ Unban Saede!
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai 1543	Posted - 2013.08.09 20:23:00 - [16] - Quote Kirjava wrote: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: Wanna privacy? Tell you government that you don't mind the occasional terrorist blowing you up. What you can't ask is your government to intercept the message from the guy who wants to bomb you without intercepting every other communication. Personally I'd rather we start trying to tackle with blowback which provokes the attacks in the first place. By no means a sympathiser but it seems more practical to in future not destabilise regions full of fruitcakes. Realistically it looks like in the news that we have more to worry from Spain right now over the Rock than we do the Taliban or Al-Quaeda. By that I mean bugger all, seems to be the losers that end up doing suicide bombings outside the ME and they apparently had to trick several of the hijackers in 9/11 because they couldn't get enough people willing to commit suicide for it. Even then, we already know that terrotist cells use encryption already. Cats already out of the bag, and I see a bigger risk in industrial espionage from foreign powers abusing the openess of the net (US focus on Germany, China hacking Western R&D/utilities). Bleah, nothing to worry about the Rock. You will keep harrasing our fishermen, scorning our policemen and whiping your ass with the treaty and the worst it will happen will be a telephone call each now and then... Just figure this. A few years ago, the RN whopped and a squadron of Marines accidentally landed on a Spanish beach. The brit PM reaction was to phone the Spanish one to apologyze and that was all. Now, let's say that someday a Spanish squadron of Marines accidentally landed on a beach in Gibraltar... The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!
Ari Xali Reikoku The Retirement Club 2	Posted - 2013.08.09 20:24:00 - [17] - Quote Ok, lets intercept communications to prevent terrorism. What about drug dealers and couriers. Yeah that seems good too. How about those involved in fraud. seems like an idea waiting to happen. Theft & robbery, we need to prevent those Is Dog fouling and litterbugs too far? not according to one Australian council. Thing is, what if you want to protest something. Organise through Facebook, google, et al and the police will be knocking on your door. or just look up pressure cookers and backpacks at work and your employer will get scared because of terrorism and call the police, who will come and search your home and check your not a terrorist. These are things happening around the world today. YOU are being watched. And what to you is innocent can get you in trouble with those in authority. Do you want to be watched? 24/7? forever? Ari P.S. Alara. Mounties are cool, but my image of them is based on the show Due South.
Kirjava Lothian Enterprises 27954	Posted - 2013.08.09 20:46:00 - [18] - Quote Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: Bleah, nothing to worry about the Rock. You will keep harrasing our fishermen, scorning our policemen and whiping your ass with the treaty and the worst it will happen will be a telephone call each now and then... Just figure this. A few years ago, the RN whopped and a squadron of Marines accidentally landed on a Spanish beach. The brit PM reaction was to phone the Spanish one to apologyze and that was all. Now, let's say that someday a Spanish squadron of Marines accidentally landed on a beach in Gibraltar... Yea about that, methinks we are overreacting massively as we dispatched a task force with the flagship for "exercises" in the Med. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. /S¦¦GùòGÇ+GÇ+GùòS¦¦\ Unban Saede!
Jonah Gravenstein Shepherd Contract Agency Scholarly Division 11566	Posted - 2013.08.09 20:51:00 - [19] - Quote Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: Bleah, nothing to worry about the Rock. You will keep harrasing our fishermen, scorning our policemen and whiping your ass with the treaty and the worst it will happen will be a telephone call each now and then... Just figure this. A few years ago, the RN whopped and a squadron of Marines accidentally landed on a Spanish beach. The brit PM reaction was to phone the Spanish one to apologyze and that was all. Now, let's say that someday a Spanish squadron of Marines accidentally landed on a beach in Gibraltar... That swings both ways, the main reason that Gibraltar is counted as a British Overseas Territory is because the residents want it to be, the moment they turn round and say we don't want your protection any more is the moment that the UK gives up any claim to it, it's the same situation in the Falklands. Historically Spain and the UK have both had possession of it for around the same period of years, and both got possession of it by conquest. Spanish fishermen do get harassed for fishing there, there's no denying it, but that's generally because they tend to be very militant about it and ignore the laws that apply to fishing quotas in Gibraltan waters, the situation has been further excaberated by members of the Guardia Civil taking potshots at British tourists in what are technically British waters and members of the Spanish government suggesting that business in Gibraltar is subject to Spanish tax laws, not long after the controvesy of the asset declaration law that mainly affected non Spanish residents. Personally, as someone whose parents live in Spain, and as someone who has also lived in Gibraltar I hope both the Spanish and British governments can come to some sort of amicable agreement that doesn't involve shooting or shouting at each other, we're meant to be allies, not enemies. Back on topic, I can see the US government, and anybody else who has been involved in the latest intelligence revelations, regretting what they have put in place, trust is a very fragile thing, and it's rapidly being eroded by unwarranted amounts of intelligence gathering. They won't however regret it because it's wrong, they'll regret that they didn't hide it well enough and that it ever saw the light of day, says a lot about politicians to be honest (something a politician rarely is) Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt
baltec1 Bat Country 7543	Posted - 2013.08.09 21:30:00 - [20] - Quote Kirjava wrote: Yea about that, methinks we are overreacting massively as we dispatched a task force with the flagship for "exercises" in the Med. Thats aimed at another nation starting with an S But mostly because we have policed the med for the last 200 years and are rather good at keeping it a nice place.

Zhula Guixgrixks Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations 56	Posted - 2013.08.09 21:44:00 - [21] - Quote I heard, U$ cloud providers already suffer a customer drop of 10%. Profit will push back the U$ towards human rights again 0ccupational Hazzard --> check out the true love story-á
Kirjava Lothian Enterprises 27959	Posted - 2013.08.09 21:57:00 - [22] - Quote Zhula Guixgrixks wrote: I heard, U$ cloud providers already suffer a customer drop of 10%. Profit will push back the U$ towards human rights again We don't care about abuse of US citizens humans rights so much as we do about surrendering intelligence to a rival economic power spying on our industrial secrets. Besides, liberating the US would be hard work for one..... baltec1 wrote: Kirjava wrote: Yea about that, methinks we are overreacting massively as we dispatched a task force with the flagship for "exercises" in the Med. Thats aimed at another nation starting with an S But mostly because we have policed the med for the last 200 years and are rather good at keeping it a nice place. Plausible deniability ^_^ Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. /S¦¦GùòGÇ+GÇ+GùòS¦¦\ Unban Saede!
Mac Munoz Only One Corp 0	Posted - 2013.08.10 00:03:00 - [23] - Quote The internet is a crazy place. I don't see the ability for any one country to continue to harbor things services like lava bit for much longer. Sooner or later every developed nation will get on board with laws that infringe upon rights of our digital worlds. I like to think there is a solution to the problem but the more I think about it the more I realize their isn't. Even something as extreme as the idea of having a new country that was only a data center and bound by none of the laws of other countries would just get disconnected from the rest of the worlds internet. At the end of the day every government owns and/or oversees all digital transmissions in their country there is zero points of entry. What the world and the internet truly needs is a way to connect to each other without the huge infrastructure that is required today. Or maybe its the case of what the world needs is actual privacy over digital items the same way we have privacy for physical items we own. I don't see that ever happening without a fight. In the mean time encryption is going to continue to rule the world, lets just hope it's as secure as we hope. All of this is written from a person that has nothing to hide but values my liberties once provided to me at birth. The nothing to hide mindset is just crazy to me. It is something that has been bashed into peoples brains for years now, and it is just a common place mentality because people who don't understand technology think digital means insecure and not private. With any luck this mindset will slowly change and with it hopefully service providers put value in protecting our rights since our government(s) don't seem concerned with that any longer.
Kirjava Lothian Enterprises 27977	Posted - 2013.08.10 05:33:00 - [24] - Quote A solution dooes exist from a technical point of view I think. Akin to the Bitcoin chain processing, a massive decentralised encrypted email server. If everyone chipped I say 10gb of storage shared over a continued bittorrent with redundancy so each message was on thousands of computers to access over a tunneled ssl connection. That makes sense to me on paper, make your own computer part of a massive decentralised effort. It would be slow, inefficient but it would be near impossible to kill. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. /S¦¦GùòGÇ+GÇ+GùòS¦¦\ Unban Saede!
stoicfaux 3053	Posted - 2013.08.10 12:59:00 - [25] - Quote Mac Munoz wrote: What the world and the internet truly needs is a way to connect to each other without the huge infrastructure that is required today. Satellite. It's one way folks get info in repressive countries that have locked down the landline-communications infrastructure. Quote: Or maybe its the case of what the world needs is actual privacy over digital items the same way we have privacy for physical items we own. I don't see that ever happening without a fight. Those laws already exist (both digital and physical) are being ignored and/or circumvented. Quote: In the mean time encryption is going to continue to rule the world, lets just hope it's as secure as we hope. The NSA has a huge amount of brainpower in encryption and a ten billion dollar budget. There's concern that the NSA is way ahead of the civilian/public encryption industry. Then there's the problem that the NSA can just order server owners to give up keys. The NSA has already shown that they can set up "secret" rooms at your local telephone company to intercept traffic. Which you can use to intercept SSL. Quote: All of this is written from a person that has nothing to hide but values my liberties once provided to me at birth. The nothing to hide mindset is just crazy to me. It is something that has been bashed into peoples brains for years now, and it is just a common place mentality because people who don't understand technology think digital means insecure and not private. With any luck this mindset will slowly change and with it hopefully service providers put value in protecting our rights since our government(s) don't seem concerned with that any longer. Heh. We have to tell kids nowadays not to post stupid stuff on facebook (or the internet in general) because the internet never forgets, which could cost them a job later in life. Probably the worst case scenario is this book: Three Felonies A Day: How the Feds Target the Innocent The premise is that there are so many laws, you're unknowingly breaking a few each day. With enough data mining the government can arrest you at will and force your compliance. And given how power corrupts, if you assume that politicians have a minor scandal or two in their closets, whoever holds the keys to the NSA data mine potentially has the ability to control a huge number of elected representatives through blackmail and/or character assassination.
Kirjava Lothian Enterprises 28125	Posted - 2013.08.10 13:17:00 - [26] - Quote stoicfaux wrote: [ And given how power corrupts, if you assume that politicians have a minor scandal or two in their closets, whoever holds the keys to the NSA data mine potentially has the ability to control a huge number of elected representatives through blackmail and/or character assassination. Anthony Weiner? Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. /S¦¦GùòGÇ+GÇ+GùòS¦¦\ Unban Saede!
Hells Merc mUfFiN fAcToRy Tribal Band 16	Posted - 2013.08.10 16:24:00 - [27] - Quote Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote: baltec1 wrote: The USA is more or less punching itself in the balls right now. Don't judge us It's the favorite past time of the stupid. Generalization and putting people in box's is easier than having to make informed comments.
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 32658	Posted - 2013.08.11 14:00:00 - [28] - Quote The New Yorker chimes in.............
Zhula Guixgrixks Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations 57	Posted - 2013.08.13 01:44:00 - [29] - Quote Kirjava wrote: ... Bitcoin chain processing, a massive decentralised encrypted email server. If everyone chipped I say 10gb of storage shared over a continued bittorrent wit... near impossible to kill. Sounds like freenet to me. It's not ment to be fast but it will keep your data inside the net. I guess transporting bitcoins or any other data should not be a big problem if speed is not an issue. 0ccupational Hazzard --> check out the true love story-á
Andrea Griffin 663	Posted - 2013.08.13 20:50:00 - [30] - Quote Anyone who is surprised hasn't been paying attention for the past 20 years (or more). CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer.



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