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AnteGotovina
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Posted - 2005.12.23 20:37:00 -
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So, I got like 240mils ISK, and I wonder should I get a geddon with exensive setup, or a Apoc with some cheaper setup? I was in a geddon for like 2-3 weeks, and it seems good, but Apoc seems much better, but insurance is what? Like 40 mils? So, what do you think? I like sniping, and fire power is most important to me.
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Korono
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Posted - 2005.12.23 20:45:00 -
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if your worried purely about firepower, go for the geddon, at amarr bs lvl 3 it will do more damage than a apoc by 5%, and higher lvl it will of course do even more. course it does have cap issues that doesnt hit the apoc nearly as hard, but in the end its all upto you and what you prefer really.
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Josarian Lysandor
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Posted - 2005.12.23 21:58:00 -
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IF you like Sniping, you might get the Apoc despite the Geddon's RoF bonus. Apoc simply has more grid to fit the Tachs.
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Foomanshoe
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Posted - 2005.12.23 22:13:00 -
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Depends what your using it for
240 mil will get you an apoc with T2 guns and T2 reps, price shouldnt be the issue.
Apoc is best for pve. The huge cap of the apoc, combined with the large grid make it a great tank ship. if your gonna fight npcs go Apoc.
Armaggedon is best for pvp. Smaller cap, more damage. Its not a great tanker but it deals out tons of damage with mega pulse 2 and 4 heatsinks.
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Agent2 Holtze
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Posted - 2005.12.23 22:19:00 -
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go for the Geddon, with 2xRCU, you will be able to fit 7 tachs and 3 or 4 HS II depending on what you like and a plate. But be-aware the Cap will wanish like drop of water on a hot summerday.
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Vajell
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Posted - 2005.12.23 22:50:00 -
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I've been doing some calculations using eve shipfit, and the geddon does not do more damage than an apoc after RMR - simple as that. The apoc is a better damage dealing ship due to more PG and 8 turret slots. The geddon is completely useless after RMR - it has no role.
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Naughty Boy
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Posted - 2005.12.23 22:53:00 -
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Edited by: Naughty Boy on 23/12/2005 22:53:05
Mind sharing your data, and not just the "conclusions"?
Or is it wind like in the past 5 threads where you posted your "conclusions" without any kind or form of evidence?
I'm definetly not taking you seriously.
Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy.
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AnteGotovina
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Posted - 2005.12.23 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: Foomanshoe
Depends what your using it for
240 mil will get you an apoc with T2 guns and T2 reps, price shouldnt be the issue.
Apoc is best for pve. The huge cap of the apoc, combined with the large grid make it a great tank ship. if your gonna fight npcs go Apoc.
Armaggedon is best for pvp. Smaller cap, more damage. Its not a great tanker but it deals out tons of damage with mega pulse 2 and 4 heatsinks.
I forgot to mention, I have no skills for tech II items yet 
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Berak FalCheran
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Posted - 2005.12.24 18:15:00 -
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Edited by: Berak FalCheran on 24/12/2005 18:17:01
Edited by: Berak FalCheran on 24/12/2005 18:16:08
Originally by: Vajell
I've been doing some calculations using eve shipfit, and the geddon does not do more damage than an apoc after RMR - simple as that. The apoc is a better damage dealing ship due to more PG and 8 turret slots. The geddon is completely useless after RMR - it has no role.
With maxed applicable skills (i.e. Gunnery lvl5's + Amarr BS lvl5) and ignoring drones (though, IIRC, can't be assed to look, geddon has a bigger drone bay):
Geddon with 7x Mega Pulse 2's and no other mods:
TOTAL damage per second : 449.725
Apoc with 8x Mega Pulse 2's and no other mods:
TOTAL damage per second : 385.524
Silence n00blet.
Oh that's with Multifreqs and no resists on the target. So that's just the raw dmg number.
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
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Gabby05
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Posted - 2005.12.24 19:08:00 -
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Anyone that says the geddon is crap has just not looked at it properly and just doesnt know what kind of mods it will be able to fit in rmr.
Apoc will still be best for pve but geddon can still hold its own on most lvl 4 missions
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.12.24 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Vajell
I've been doing some calculations using eve shipfit, and the geddon does not do more damage than an apoc after RMR - simple as that. The apoc is a better damage dealing ship due to more PG and 8 turret slots. The geddon is completely useless after RMR - it has no role.
Do the maths properly. You whine a lot and none of it is true.
The ROF bonus makes the geddon clearly superior in terms of damage before drones are taken into account.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.12.24 19:26:00 -
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Well. to put it simply
7 turrets * 1.25 (rof bonus) = 8.75 turrets
so, 'geddon with maxed out battleship skill is likely to outdamage Apocalypse by ~10% plus whatever extra more drones can do...
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Berrik Radhok
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Posted - 2005.12.24 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine
Edited by: j0sephine on 24/12/2005 19:38:51
Well. to put it simply
7 turrets / 0.75 (rof bonus) = ~9.3 turrets
so, 'geddon with maxed out battleship skill is likely to outdamage Apocalypse by ~17% plus whatever extra more drones can do...
However, a properly tanked Apoc will outtank that Geddon, and still be firing when the Geddon's capacitor is sucking fumes.
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Venril
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Posted - 2005.12.24 19:50:00 -
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The geddons strengh was the uber dmg to kill a tanked ship before it dies itself.
With the current boost of HP on all ships and better resistances overall i favor the apoc definatly.
Yes a geddon does more dmg with 7 tachyons and 4 heatsinks then an apoc can do.
BUT: The apoc can deal only slighly less dmg while being able to tank quite a bit and sustain it`s cap.
A geddon is cheaper to loose but that`s about it IMO.
If you are after lame sniping to pop targets at gates and warp off if a real fight occurs i`d say take the geddon since cap and tanking wont be an issue.
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Keven
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Posted - 2005.12.24 20:24:00 -
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Edited by: Keven on 24/12/2005 20:25:02
Originally by: Vajell
I've been doing some calculations using eve shipfit, and the geddon does not do more damage than an apoc after RMR - simple as that. The apoc is a better damage dealing ship due to more PG and 8 turret slots. The geddon is completely useless after RMR - it has no role.
geddon = more damage less tank, theres your role, whiner.
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Berrik Radhok
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Posted - 2005.12.24 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Keven
Edited by: Keven on 24/12/2005 20:25:02
Originally by: Vajell
I've been doing some calculations using eve shipfit, and the geddon does not do more damage than an apoc after RMR - simple as that. The apoc is a better damage dealing ship due to more PG and 8 turret slots. The geddon is completely useless after RMR - it has no role.
geddon = more damage less tank, theres your role, whiner.
read things you quote 
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