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Ctaesis
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Posted - 2003.08.18 15:34:00 -
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Sorry, but recently I've heard that EVE has dropped to the bottom shelf at the retailers and repriced at $19.99. Also, we should realize that lots and lots of bad press are being spread about by reviews regarding EVE (55%) which prevents the "bread and butter" Joe Casual Player from subscribing. Third, we all can plainly see on eve-i.com how the peak server load continues to dwindle week by week. Finally, we know that S&SI has already "downsized" Campion, so we can surmise that they know EVE is a money-loser.
With all this factual evidence, does anyone seriously think EVE will still be around this time next year? Or even, this Christmas?
I think CCP is about to go through a rough year if they want to fight to keep EVE alive.
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Alexia Te'Len
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Posted - 2003.08.18 15:39:00 -
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Neocron has just over two-thousand users.
It's been constantly belittled and labelled all sorts of things under the sun.
People continuously screech about how it won' survive past tommorow/next week/next month/Christmas.
It's been going for years and shows healthy signs of life (While only having fifteen people working on it altogether, only three of those people being coders).
It's similar to EVE in a lot of respects.
Success is measured in more than just subscription numbers.
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Stavros
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Posted - 2003.08.18 15:40:00 -
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Neocron is dead, games like this need HUGE playerbases in order to live up to their full potential.
And neocron never has more than a couple of hundred users online at a time, so dont quote that 2000 rubbish.
Cheers
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NGRU Rix
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Posted - 2003.08.18 15:42:00 -
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Most of the people doing the reviews for this game are morons. They play the game for a day at the most and write the review. They have deadlines to meet. Anyone who listens to game reviews and takes their words as gold are fools.
As for the pricing down to $20 - smart move IMO. Less to buy the game and you still get the subscription $$ from the player.
I think the game will last a long time and I intend to be here for the duration. People just expect too much too fast.
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Alexia Te'Len
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Posted - 2003.08.18 15:43:00 -
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And neocron never has more than a couple of hundred users online at a time, so dont quote that 2000 rubbish.
Cheers
Whenever I've been online there have been around six-hundred people on Jupiter, just under five-hundred on Saturn and Uranus plus around four-hundred on Pluto.
Likewise, Thanatos has stated that the company is doing well as well as mentioning, several times, that the actual amount of Subscribers is well in advance of two-thousand, five-hundred.
If Neocron is dead then it will blow peoples' socks off when it's ressurected.
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Mulu Xump
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Posted - 2003.08.18 15:45:00 -
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Edited by: Mulu Xump on 18/08/2003 15:45:22
NO.
Not in it's present form. CCP have some serious work to do in ALOT of departments.
I hope they pull it off. The game deserves to do well. They've tried to break the MMORPG mold and they're struggling because of it.
It's a shame that Sony can publish EQ in space and make it success of it whether it's rubbish or not while the new kids on the block suffer as they try to create something unique(ish).
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Alexia Te'Len
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Posted - 2003.08.18 15:46:00 -
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It's a shame that Sony can publish EQ in space and make it success of it whether it's rubbish or not while the new kids on the bloke suffer as they try to create something unique(ish).
That's capitalising on an already huge, and established, market.
Even an utter Gibbon could sell Star Wars: Galaxies.
It's just bad luck for CCP that their game has been largely ignored in favour of something so well recognised.
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Ctaesis
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Posted - 2003.08.18 15:47:00 -
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Alexia, that's a fair point.
If you are claiming that their 2000 subscribers are covering their overhead and the costs of development, then that's cool.
But if EVE has 2000 subscribers paying 12.95 a month, then CCP and its investors are making roughly 310,000 USD per year. They have to pay off labor, bandwidth and servers, investors, etc. If you think 310k can do that, cool.
Actually, I was lead to believe that EVE has somewhere around 20,000 subscribers. That would be 3.1M per year before taxes. So maybe they have a little breathing room.
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Macumba
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Posted - 2003.08.18 15:47:00 -
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I think so. Look at AO, people continuously said that it'd be dead and buried before x date. Its still going strong. We're not talking EQ numbers here, but obviously somebody somewhere thinks its worth keeping the servers running (and writing two expansion packs for).
EVE is far from perfect, but I think it'll go the distance.
What SSI need to do is advertise the game. I haven't seen one ad since the game was first announced. The only way people find out about Eve is through word of mouth or morbid curiousity when they read a bad review. Even the odd banner ad couldn't hurt, it's cheap enough.
That and get a community manager who actually knows the community/fulfils the role, instead of just the people who were here 2-3 years ago.
Mods who had a clue would be a bonus too.
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Dominion Alaris
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Posted - 2003.08.18 15:48:00 -
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Check the server graphic display on Eve-i better m8y... You can see that it is peeking again(reaching 5700 last despite very severe server issues) after the summer so you don't have to worry. According to the tone of your post it seems to me you aren't even trying to ask to get honest reply... you just negative..:P
Eve will go on forever while there is money.. and there is indeed money because they reached over 25.000 active user in June and i can promise you that a lot of new user has joined the game since tho some have also left...:)
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Alexia Te'Len
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Posted - 2003.08.18 15:50:00 -
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Alexia, that's a fair point.
If you are claiming that their 2000 subscribers are covering their overhead and the costs of development, then that's cool.
But if EVE has 2000 subscribers paying 12.95 a month, then CCP and its investors are making roughly 310,000 USD per year. They have to pay off labor, bandwidth and servers, investors, etc. If you think 310k can do that, cool.
Actually, I was lead to believe that EVE has somewhere around 20,000 subscribers. That would be 3.1M per year before taxes. So maybe they have a little breathing room.
Well, as I said, the company behind Neocron (Reakktor Media Ltd) is fairly small, and privately owned, so the subscription base is more than adequate for it's needs.
However, about EVE....although I'm not claiming to know about their bandwith costs, employee numbers and so forth, from what I've seen it does appear as if they're able to survive on the current player base.
Personally, I'd prefer a smaller amount of players that get along with one another as opposed to the hostile, all-out war-esque community we have now.
But...eh, I'm not a businessman.
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Ctaesis
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Posted - 2003.08.18 15:51:00 -
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What SSI need to do is advertise the game. I haven't seen one ad since the game was first announced. The only way people find out about Eve is through word of mouth or morbid curiousity when they read a bad review. Even the odd banner ad couldn't hurt, it's cheap enough.
We all know that reviewers are morons blah blah blah. This isn't that thread.
And that's my point, the only way people find out about EVE is from a bad review and morbid curiousity. That's sad.
And you're right, there has never been any semblence of a marketing campaign. Perhaps S&SI wants CCP to just rot on the vine.
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Erty
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Posted - 2003.08.18 15:53:00 -
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Edited by: Erty on 18/08/2003 16:02:35
The server population isn't going down.
This sunday there was more players on than last sunday, and last sunday there was more players on than the sunday before.
It WAS going down during the summer, but that isn't strange. Most people don't play games in the summer.
But it's still lower than before :)
Offcourse it will survive until christmas, why not? Can't see a single reason.
Campion worked for SSI, not CCP.
When the game was released I think his job was finished.
BTW it's strange that many americans think that just because someone from their country is thinking and doing something, the whole world is.
I have only seen bad reviews in american magazines.
Look at some of the european ones:
PC Gamer UK - 90%
PC ZONE - 88%
Edge - 8/10
PC Gamer Sweden - 87%
Super Play - 9/10
Not too bad I think...
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Alexia Te'Len
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Posted - 2003.08.18 15:55:00 -
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It WAS going down during the summer, but that isn't strange. Most people don't play games in the summer.
True dat, been having record heatwaves lately so people, unless they're like me, are going to be spending time outside, soaking it up while they can.
When the weather gets colder, wetter and more miserable, like it is now, then expect to see the server population (Not the subcription rate neccesarily) take a jump.
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2003.08.18 15:58:00 -
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Yes it will.
cba to re-itterate any more than that.
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scam artist
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Posted - 2003.08.18 15:58:00 -
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Most of the people doing the reviews for this game are morons
the truth hurts sometimes
as for topic answer nope
lets see what as this game got going for it hmmm pvp anything else hmm no
is pvp easy in this game hmm lets see no
will it get easyer hmmm no not likly they want you to fight they want you to stay and replace what you fight over they will make it harder to replace what you lose
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scam artist
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Posted - 2003.08.18 15:59:00 -
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True dat, been having record heatwaves lately so people, unless they're like me, are going to be spending time outside, soaking it up while they can.
 24 hour sunshine
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Turtle
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Posted - 2003.08.18 16:03:00 -
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Why do post like this exist. In all the games I have played you see this. DOAC, AC1, AC2 all of them have this type of post. What will be will be, period.
Looking at the referenced graph it looks like the number bottomed in June/July and are back on the upswing again. I know in my corp approx 50% of the people are on summer holiday. I myself have a very hard time plying when the weather outside is 85+ and there is sun.
And did you by chance see that this game will be marketed by cable providers in the USA. This may be a first for an online game and may bring huge numbers of new players in.
Reviews are for idiots IMO. They never provide the detail or objectivity required for this type of game. If the reviewers hand isn't being held or if they really have to play and think then the game gets trashed. Its not in the reviewers best interest to spend alot of time in any game. They get paid on a per review bases I think and spending alot of time in game means less money per hour.
6 months from now ask this question. At that point it may have some validity.
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Drefsab
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Posted - 2003.08.18 16:06:00 -
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It is sadly true that the game isnt making enough money or doing enough to attract more players, so how about making a vaulentary increase in the charges, I would pay more per month to keep eve going on all of my accounts. Maybe if this is implimented such people that pay more could get something in return (to encourge people to do it). Im not talking like tech 5 items or battleships but how about involvement in events, or new tech releases (instead of using the bigger favored corps).
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Mulu Xump
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Posted - 2003.08.18 16:07:00 -
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I guess they would't have got any investment if the business plan hadn't been good.
Anyone know of any MMORPGs that haven't succeded?
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Alexia Te'Len
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Posted - 2003.08.18 16:11:00 -
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Anyone know of any MMORPGs that haven't succeded?
How is Shadowbane going? Last time I heard that game had crashed and burned.
Likewise, I hear people are flocking _away_ from Planetside on a weekly basis.
Just hearsay and rumour though, so I can't confirm it.
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Aten
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Posted - 2003.08.18 16:15:00 -
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I think there will be a group of people that want to mine all day so they can purchase a station for no real purpose. Kind of like the Honeycomb Hideout. They'll have a secret knock and everything... but the pvp people will be long gone in a few months. |
MrPops
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Posted - 2003.08.18 16:27:00 -
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This game will still be around for christmass, this game will still be around next year, this game will still be around for a long time to come.
These games all have their audiences, so even if you think this game may suck it will still have people supporting it and new people joining the playerbase.
Just look over to E&B, it's going to celebrate its one year anniversary even though most of the EVE population would agree it sucks. Look at UO, still going strong after all these years even after many similar games with better gameplay, graphics and storylines have come out.
"The human species suffers from a dimensional limitation. They are not able to understand that matter and mind are just one aspect of something more fundamental. We must strive to expand our perspective so we can see what our true reality is."
Deep toughts by Mr.Pops, while consuming large quantities of Blue Pill and staring at the EVE gate in Genesis.
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Khand
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Posted - 2003.08.18 16:31:00 -
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Sorry, but recently I've heard that EVE has dropped to the bottom shelf at the retailers and repriced at $19.99. Also, we should realize that lots and lots of bad press are being spread about by reviews regarding EVE (55%) which prevents the "bread and butter" Joe Casual Player from subscribing. Third, we all can plainly see on eve-i.com how the peak server load continues to dwindle week by week. Finally, we know that S&SI has already "downsized" Campion, so we can surmise that they know EVE is a money-loser.
With all this factual evidence, does anyone seriously think EVE will still be around this time next year? Or even, this Christmas?
I think CCP is about to go through a rough year if they want to fight to keep EVE alive.
Who made you the expert? Maybe you should look at other MMORPGs (particulary Anarchy Online) and then think again.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.08.18 16:38:00 -
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Who made you the expert? Maybe you should look at other MMORPGs (particulary Anarchy Online) and then think again.
AO underwent some massive changes in infrastructure to start survive. More importantly though, they had to drastically change their way of thinking and acting.
CCP mirrors their old methods.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
loci
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Posted - 2003.08.18 16:44:00 -
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Edited by: loci on 18/08/2003 16:44:45
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the only way people find out about EVE is from a bad review and morbid curiousity. That's sad.
maybe the casual gamer, but eve isnt suited for the casual gamer.
most online gamers, for whichever genre they are into, are smart enough to know that the only way they will know if they like the game, is by playing it.
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Turtle
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Posted - 2003.08.18 16:48:00 -
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It is sadly true that the game isnt making enough money or doing enough to attract more players
Could you please quote your source. Please point to the finacial analysis that you got this information.
Its this kinda information, presented as fact that makes me laugh.
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NastyLlama
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Posted - 2003.08.18 17:06:00 -
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Sorry, but recently I've heard that EVE has dropped to the bottom shelf at the retailers and repriced at $19.99. Also, we should realize that lots and lots of bad press are being spread about by reviews regarding EVE (55%) which prevents the "bread and butter" Joe Casual Player from subscribing. Third, we all can plainly see on eve-i.com how the peak server load continues to dwindle week by week. Finally, we know that S&SI has already "downsized" Campion, so we can surmise that they know EVE is a money-loser.
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OMG not the 55% rewiew again
Why dont people just play or leave, simple eh
And as for your ot scare mongering, get some facts firts before you rant on about how eve's going to fail any time now.
If eve did fail I would find some other game to play, not hard is it, or the end of the world, but I cant see it failing any time soon.
Eve's biggest threat would be another online game that was better, anyone know of one,I tyried some but, naaaaaa not for me
This game rocks, sure some things suck, show me a morg that dont in places or at times
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Mulu Xump
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Posted - 2003.08.18 17:08:00 -
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AO underwent some massive changes in infrastructure to start survive. More importantly though, they had to drastically change their way of thinking and acting.
Lets hope CCP have the capacity to change and survive.
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Darth Tom
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Posted - 2003.08.18 17:10:00 -
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It is sadly true that the game isnt making enough money or doing enough to attract more players
How would you know? Seriously?
Concurrent online users went down during the summer - as expected - and is now on it's way up again - as expected.
As others have pointed out, reviews and overall take up has been very very good in Europe. Poor magazine reviews in the US does not mean EVE is dying.
I have to say I have been impressed with these forums - never had I had the displeasure of seeing so much demanding nastiness. Ever.
My God, Pann - please never let any of the devs near any of this stuff. If I worked for 2-3 years, and saw the ungrateful *****ing that is prevalent on these forums, I'd throw in the towel and walk.
Everyone I have mentioned EVE to has gone out, bought it, and signed up for 6 months. That number is over 25 so far.
The only threat to EVE is n00bs and potential players coming here, reading these forums, and being put off by the obscene level of vitriol and bitterness.
You think EVE is good? You want it to last?
Stop *****ing on the forums and start posting about all the good things you enjoy in the game.
Because, quite frankly, anyone who has nothing but negative playing experiences, yet still plays, and still actively whines, is just not right in the head.
I'd like to see stats from CCP about how many people who actively whine on these forums play regularly on Chaos, and send constructive bug reports to the Devs
Cheers,
TOM
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