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Marcus Grisbius
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Posted - 2003.08.18 17:13:00 -
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Turtle, thank you for that good advice.
People have no clue what CCP is doing, much less S&S. Truth is though, that several major companies have invested in this game. I am pretty sure that the game will definitely last to Christmas. These companies know, unlike most of the ingame companies, that you don't have to have an immediate profit to succeed. There is a good sense of long term investment in a game such as this.
Do you think that CCP would want to advertise the game full force yet? Of course not, it's still summer. People start shopping for video games around the end of the year for Christmas presents. Also people spend more time indoors in the fall and winter that translates into increased time in front of the old pc. Knowing this, it has given CCP extra time to work out bugs that would occur with huge amounts of people. It's always better to have slower planned growth than explosive overnight popularity. People will not be turned off so much in the next few months as some were when the game released.
As far as the game mag reviews, the American mags did give the game fairly bad reviews. The Euro mags however, gave the game incredibly good reviews. But in spite of the bad American review numbers, several of them said that this was a game to keep an eye on. Although they tested the game at a current, buggy state, they did see an incredible amount of potential.
Eve will go strong for a long time because there are enough people like me who like it and will pay for it. If we don't get 20 Billion people online at one time it won't take away from the game. You don't have to have to be the best ever to be a success. But people love hopping on band wagons.
All that to answer the question, but yes the game will be around for a long time.
Certainty of death... little chance of success... what are we waiting for? - Gimli, son of Gloinn |
Endureth
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Posted - 2003.08.18 17:15:00 -
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Heh, not sure if it'll make it to Christmas but I know some people that are getting coal in their stockings this year.
-E
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Ubiq
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Posted - 2003.08.18 17:15:00 -
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Please, all you have to do is play the game to know its a winner. Go play the competition, see what is out there, and you will agree.
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Mandilater
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Posted - 2003.08.18 17:16:00 -
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This damn game better be around I just baught it !
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NastyLlama
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Posted - 2003.08.18 17:18:00 -
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Stop *****ing on the forums and start posting about all the good things you enjoy in the game.
Because, quite frankly, anyone who has nothing but negative playing experiences, yet still plays, and still actively whines, is just not right in the head.
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 Thats soooo true
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I'M not a carebear, I'M a total coward, beware of cornerd carebares and cowards, we winge and cry like cornered pirates..........
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.08.18 17:19:00 -
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I should've put in a buy order on the damn thing! 
Convert Stations
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Eniatur Mamsalari
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Posted - 2003.08.18 17:33:00 -
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As for he topic. Yes, i do believe it will.
There is no other online-game around that provides what i look for in Eve. And i know of none in the near horizon.
And even in the single player front i see little in terms of new ideas. Maybe Flashpoint 2 but that is almost 2 years away...
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Lao Tzu
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Posted - 2003.08.18 17:38:00 -
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I'll be playing for ages, even if I have to make blackbirds out of wood and fly them around the house jamming the cats
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.08.18 17:39:00 -
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Stop *****ing on the forums and start posting about all the good things you enjoy in the game.
Because, quite frankly, anyone who has nothing but negative playing experiences, yet still plays, and still actively whines, is just not right in the head.
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Thats soooo true
No. Actually, those that complain the most are usually the ones the like the game the most. And it's their like for the game that pushes them to complain when something frustrating happens to them.
Someone apathetic would simply cancel and leave without a word. And that is something that has been proven. Out of 4 people that have an issue with customer service, usually only 1 will make a complaint. The other 3 will simply not give you their business anymore. That was from CS training I underwent 10 years ago.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Veng
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Posted - 2003.08.18 17:54:00 -
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The sad fact is most of the negative posts come from the same people while they rant and moan the vast majority of players are playing and enjoying the game.
These people that rant and moan all the time that the game is crap (ect ect) are still playing so they cant honestly think the game is that bad.
For every one that leaves more join (the server numbers are rising steady).
So in answer to your question yes this will last way longer than christmas and it has the potential to be the best online game to date.
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Lexington Cabot
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Posted - 2003.08.18 18:10:00 -
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"Whenever I've been online there have been around six-hundred people on Jupiter, just under five-hundred on Saturn and Uranus plus around four-hundred on Pluto."
Wow that's a lot of people on Uranus!!
Sorry I had to say it, you don't get to use many Uranus jokes these days.
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Karash Amerius
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Posted - 2003.08.18 18:14:00 -
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advertise...its part of economics 101. SSI needs to retake that class.
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Singular
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Posted - 2003.08.18 18:30:00 -
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LOL, you people aint seen nothing yet.
Anyone who played AC2 KNOWS this game is doing outstanding. AC2 numbers dropped like 10% PER WEEK, and that game still isnt shut down.
Actually, I think this game is doing very well (though Im not sure exactly why), but CCP better get off its ass and put some "non-TTI" content in this game, or its all over.
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var'ulfur
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Posted - 2003.08.18 18:48:00 -
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 i see the care bear/whine and chese type have a banner now and a revolution
omg i have not laugh so hard in a long time. the forums should be renamed the pain in the butt forum all that post here are sniving little whiners that want to play with no loss or death and doom and gloom chicken little the sky is falling people. god if you dont like the game get off the server and shut up already your giving me a head ack  the door is that way dont let it hit you in the ass on the way out...
talk is cheap the cost of action is enormus
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.08.18 19:00:00 -
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i see the care bear/whine and chese type have a banner now and a revolution
omg i have not laugh so hard in a long time. the forums should be renamed the pain in the butt forum all that post here are sniving little whiners that want to play with no loss or death and doom and gloom chicken little the sky is falling people. god if you dont like the game get off the server and shut up already your giving me a head ack the door is that way dont let it hit you in the ass on the way out...
And if the rules were applied equally, I wouldn't have a chance to respond to your post. It'd have been editted for flaming and trolling.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Graffix
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Posted - 2003.08.18 19:27:00 -
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The game better last til christmas, jeez, my training for the titan will probably take me to christmas to complete ;)
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Keo Morigan
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Posted - 2003.08.18 19:35:00 -
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Neocron is dead, games like this need HUGE playerbases in order to live up to their full potential.
And neocron never has more than a couple of hundred users online at a time, so dont quote that 2000 rubbish.
Cheers
The thing is the fact that eve got thousands systems, close to 5000 if i remember the ads for eve.
And Neocron got a world which takes less than 30 mins to WALK straight over.
So if your looking at map size over playerbase, I would say Neocron wins over Eve.
If your not a part of the solution, then you'r probably a part of the problem. |
Mynobe Soletae
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Posted - 2003.08.18 19:45:00 -
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I think the game will last till Christmas and possibly beyond. The current server hardware supports exactly the playerbase we have (note that we get lag when servers reach 5500+ people), and their support expenses are minimal. It's quite possible that the (small) profit they get from the current player base is sufficient to cover the dev expenses.
Despite all the whining on the boards, the current player base seems resilient. I'm not sure what you found on eve-i, but I know we consistently get 5300 users at server prime time, and to me it doesn't look like the number of players is decreasing.
An equilibrium has been reached. Game will sustain itself as long as we don't dip too much. If I start seeing consistent 2000 player peaks, then maybe I'll get worried. |
Calalbran
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Posted - 2003.08.18 20:06:00 -
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Funny how loads of people post about the lack of advertising for the game.
I bought the game back in May - the magazine I read the review in also had a full colour advert for the game on a different page, which incidently gave the website address. So I looked at the game, then decided to buy it.
Here in the UK I've seen 3 magazines advertising the game. Maybe its just certain magazines they aren't advertising in.
I do a lot of adverts in my own business - some magazines and papers are way too expensive for the number of people to be reached (work out distribution (mag will tell you), then work out cost, then work out the number of people needed to respond to break even).
A lot of magazines do price rather high - so unless you have money to burn, you spread your advertising budget over a few places, then some more a little while later.
A big advert in the right place is worth far more to you than a small advert spread right around.
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Torik
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Posted - 2003.08.18 20:18:00 -
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I've been playing Earth and Beyond for almost a year. The E&B forums have been plagued by 'the game is dying' posts since about December. Well, the game has certainly not died and is actually experiencing a resurgence for the last few months. IMO the reason for that is that the game had enough appeal to keep most of its playerbase during the rough times and then managed to address the main concerns of its key player demographic.
EVE is a interesting and challenging game. It has great potential. I believe that the game has enough staying power to last through a few months of 'rough times'. Every new MMORPG has technical problems and balance issues. The real challenge is whether the Devs and GMs can address these issues while keeping their key player demographic interested.
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Tool
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Posted - 2003.08.18 20:37:00 -
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Edited by: Tool on 18/08/2003 20:37:49
Well, if anything the number of people subcribing to the game is at the very least equal to those who leave. The online user numbers have not changed drastically enough to indicate a decline or an increase in user base.
As I see it, they'll be around for a while, at least a year or 2. There will definitely be those who stay no matter how bad the game is to show their ever undying support for their drug. The game will survive, unless something so drastically better is released that you literally **** yourself just looking at screen shots...that hasn't happened.
"remember, you can get f'd up just like anyone else. So have a Quafe, smile, and stfu." |
Nera
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Posted - 2003.08.18 20:41:00 -
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Edited by: Nera on 18/08/2003 20:42:24
It'll be around till MMORPG's are no longer viable. Unless like Tool said something so grand is released that it blows this game out of the water.
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Nariko Tenrai
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Posted - 2003.08.18 20:45:00 -
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My brief recap of what other people have said, because it largely agrees with what I think:
1) Anarchy Online. Horrible bug-riddled mess. People leaving in droves. Everyone has predicted its death since 2001. It's still alive. Mind you, subsciptions have not increased (source)
2) Earth & Beyond. It's EverQuest... in SPACE (*yawn*)! People leaving in droves. Everyone has predicted its death for at least six months. It's still alive.
3) Asheron's Call 2. A pretty wrapper on a void of gameplay. People leaving in droves (mostly going back to the superior AC1). Everyone has predicted its death for six months. It's still alive, though half the servers have been "consolidated."
4) EVE is doing much better in Europe, a place where complex, slow-moving "thinking man's" games like The Settlers, Patrician, and 1503 habitually sell better. I have noted that Euro prime time population on Tranquility is 4-5K, compared to 2-3K in North American prime time. Further, observe the much-commented disparity of review averages between European magazines and American magazines.
5) It is very rare for an MMP to be shut down. Motor City Online and Majestic are the only examples I can think of (anyone with others, please add them). However, both MCO and MJ were published by EA, a company notorious for cancelling ready-to-publish games that their analysts don't believe will make more than $8 million in profit (I get that number from conversations with people at Westwood Studios, before EA closed them). Even Meridian 59, the very first 3D MMP, is still running under new ownership.
6) Despite what some here think, moderation in the forums and in game is hardly heavy-handed. Sorry guys, I saw the worst that OSI and SOE did in their heinous heydays, and I have to categorically disagree with you. Compared to the infamous corruption of OSI's GM Darwin and Sony/Verant's out-game censorship of Mystere, I think CCP has done a fairly good job of not stepping on their own masculine undercarriages. Yes, there have been missteps - the poor handling of the Miner 5/2 leaps to mind. But they're learning. Learning is painful and takes time. These guys are not industry vets who have taken their lumps, like the SWG team.
And to be fully honest, most of the complaints I hear in these fora are the same kind of endless kvetching and doomsaying I've heard from the same sort of people in three other MMPs - the ones who believe their $13 a month gives them the right to be a55h0135 to both the dev team and their fellow players, and who won't let go of dead issues like UO's "bring back precasting b1y0+ch!." There are some here who have excellent points and expound them with both intelligence and civility. But they're not the loudest or most persistent ones. More's the pity.
Yes, I think EVE will be around by Christmas. It may not grow. It may even shrink. But like all online titles it will continue to evolve.
Done. Feel free to flame me; I think some of my comments deserve it.
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I have measured and described the stars, their great and countless multitude. What man has seen their revolutions and entrances? Not even the angels see their number, yet I have recorded all their names.
- The Book of the Secrets of Enoch, Jewish Pseudepigrapha
We won't talk about how many cruisers I lost this weekend, nor how many nice railguns, or T2 enhancers. We're going to skip right over that. We're going to talk about my new Raven. It is like flying a small city, and the city's only export is missiles.
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NeoMorph
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Posted - 2003.08.18 21:30:00 -
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Edited by: NeoMorph on 18/08/2003 21:30:51
I think EVE will hang in there... dropping the price even to nothing won't damage it. In fact maybe they should drop it to 4.99 to get people to buy it just to try it...
I still remember buying Delta Force 2 and getting this crappy game free with it... called Ultima Online... I played DF2 about 3 times and was still playing UO 2.5 years later
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Lystrian
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Posted - 2003.08.18 21:37:00 -
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Personally, i'd like it to at least last an hour or two......
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Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage the change the things I can not accept, and the wisdom to hide the bodies of those people I had to kill today because they ****ed me off.. |
Lelia Tu'nar
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Posted - 2003.08.18 21:38:00 -
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Well, why would new players want to come here or existing new players want to stay when you have people just griefing them left, right and center for no reason?
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ga'ia
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Posted - 2003.08.18 21:54:00 -
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yes.
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MrPops
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Posted - 2003.08.18 22:00:00 -
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Excellent post Nariko, well said.
"The human species suffers from a dimensional limitation. They are not able to understand that matter and mind are just one aspect of something more fundamental. We must strive to expand our perspective so we can see what our true reality is."
Deep toughts by Mr.Pops, while consuming large quantities of Blue Pill and staring at the EVE gate in Genesis.
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Skelator
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Posted - 2003.08.18 22:34:00 -
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What SSI need to do is advertise the game. I haven't seen one ad since the game was first announced. The only way people find out about Eve is through word of mouth or morbid curiousity when they read a bad review. Even the odd banner ad couldn't hurt, it's cheap enough.
We all know that reviewers are morons blah blah blah. This isn't that thread.
And that's my point, the only way people find out about EVE is from a bad review and morbid curiousity. That's sad.
And you're right, there has never been any semblence of a marketing campaign. Perhaps S&SI wants CCP to just rot on the vine.
I Believe that Word of Mouth is the Best Thing that could happen to Any Product.
Im sure more sales are Generated by word of Mouth then Advertisment dollare could do because people tend to Trust the people they are getting the word from vs some Mag Ad.
No Dont get me Wrong Advertisment is good in Addition to this and bioth together can help push up members.
I have 6 of my old Tradewars Friends playing now and a Dozen people from work ;)
All who Never heard of the game till I gave them the " Word of Mouth"
They have us Surrounded again.. the Poor Bastards |
Eidas
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Posted - 2003.08.19 05:30:00 -
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Well this thread is now on it's third page and has attracted over 50 posters (a guesstimate), so these forums seem to be doing quite well. Not bad for another random 'I do/don't like EVE'-type thread. That must be some reflection on the popularity of the game.
Violence is the last resort of the incompetent. - Isaac Asimov |
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