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Binni Girl	Posted - 2005.12.25 02:05:00 - [1] Start bid 50m - you can check its stats ingame. End date today christmas day at 2000 eve time No buyouts, 15 min sniper.
Agent2 Holtze	Posted - 2005.12.25 02:16:00 - [2] 150mill Nihil est-in vita priore ego imperator Romanus fui.
Darth Revanant	Posted - 2005.12.25 02:32:00 - [3] 160 _______________
Don Carn'age	Posted - 2005.12.25 03:14:00 - [4] 200m (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
Agent2 Holtze	Posted - 2005.12.25 12:28:00 - [5] 210 Nihil est-in vita priore ego imperator Romanus fui.
Binni Girl	Posted - 2005.12.25 16:05:00 - [6] 4 hours to go
mrg29	Posted - 2005.12.25 17:40:00 - [7] 240mill
Binni Girl	Posted - 2005.12.25 19:09:00 - [8] 55 mins to go, come on only 240m for this amazing ship?
KilROCK	Posted - 2005.12.25 19:09:00 - [9] Originally by: Binni Girl 55 mins to go, come on only 240m for this amazing ship? Only? shesh, Greedy punk
Binni Girl	Posted - 2005.12.25 19:29:00 - [10] the recon ships have been selling for up to 250m odd and they cost less than half the build cost and have a much smaller build time, and your calling me greedy?
KilROCK	Posted - 2005.12.25 19:30:00 - [11] Originally by: Binni Girl the recon ships have been selling for up to 250m odd and they cost less than half the build cost and have a much smaller build time, and your calling me greedy? Yes
Binni Girl	Posted - 2005.12.25 19:36:00 - [12] good for you, now begone from my sales thread troll.
Espen	Posted - 2005.12.25 20:10:00 - [13] Originally by: KilROCK Originally by: Binni Girl the recon ships have been selling for up to 250m odd and they cost less than half the build cost and have a much smaller build time, and your calling me greedy? Yes word
Isal	Posted - 2005.12.25 20:11:00 - [14] 250M
Shadowsword	Posted - 2005.12.25 20:13:00 - [15] Originally by: Binni Girl the recon ships have been selling for up to 250m odd and they cost less than half the build cost and have a much smaller build time, and your calling me greedy? ONE recon ship, a Curse, sold for 250 millions, because it was the fisrt Curse ingame, and IMHO the best recon ship. After that the price of most recon ships dropped to 150 millions. And 240 millions for an Absolution is already a nice price.
mrg29	Posted - 2005.12.25 20:15:00 - [16] i'm assuming isal's bid is not valid as the sniper rule only comes into effect if there is a bid within the last 15 minutes before the auction ends so my 240mill bid wins but just in case i'll bid 260mill.
Isal	Posted - 2005.12.25 20:28:00 - [17] is this still open?
KilROCK	Posted - 2005.12.25 20:30:00 - [18] Edited by: KilROCK on 25/12/2005 20:33:04
Isal	Posted - 2005.12.25 20:31:00 - [19] mrg29 is right, my bid is not valid - he should be the winner at 240M - Congrats :(
mrg29	Posted - 2005.12.26 09:49:00 - [20] any chance of the seller confirming what the status of this auction is ?
Lickity Split	Posted - 2005.12.26 10:52:00 - [21] i am suprised it went so low. i would have thought it would have sold near 300 to 350 easy. i guess they will though once people see how good these new ships are.
Tobias Lee	Posted - 2005.12.26 16:24:00 - [22] 300 m if auction is still open ingame or send me an evemail
Cosmo Raata	Posted - 2005.12.26 17:26:00 - [23] I'd have to agree with it being low, I mean this thing is a zealot with 2 extra guns, more pg, armor, resistance & can use gang mods. What more can one want? I'd be willing to bet it can go toe to toe with any bs & still hit frigs & cruisers
Vaar	Posted - 2005.12.26 17:32:00 - [24] I was also suprised at how low this went for. Maybe it is due to not many having the skills to fly it. I was thinking the first one would go for 400-500 mil and they would settle down at 200-250 mil since build cost is 70-80 mil
mrg29	Posted - 2005.12.26 18:03:00 - [25] it hasn't actually been sold yet as although i had the high bid at end of auction the seller hasn't acknowledged this or contacted me. if they have chosen not to sell as the bid wasn't as high as they hoped then they should have specified a reserve which wasn't done.
Harry Voyager	Posted - 2005.12.26 18:50:00 - [26] Edited by: Harry Voyager on 26/12/2005 18:52:06 I would actually expect Command ships to sell for around 100-150m once the prices settle. Command Ships, unlike HACs, have Recon Cruisers and Interdictors to compete with, so despite their capabilities thye're going to be far less decisive than the last generation of T2 ships were. I mean, a Zealot only had to worry about other HACs messing it up. Command ships have to worry about getting in a fight with an EWar or NOS Recon Cruiser, and Interdictors are going to run nasty rings abot them. Harry Voyager ____________________ I'm not an idiot; I just play one on the forums.
missusblonde	Posted - 2005.12.26 18:54:00 - [27] Originally by: Harry Voyager I would actually expect Command ships to sell for around 100-150m once the prices settle. Command Ships, unlike HACs, have Recon Cruisers and Interdictors to compete with, so despite their capabilities thye're going to be far less decisive than the last generation of T2 ships were. Harry Voyager you arnt making much sense mate, command ships have to compete with recon cruisers and interdicors and HAC's dont? ok....... why? command ships have a huge cost and build time, the amarr field command is like a super zealot, and you think its going to sell for the same price as a zealot?
missusblonde	Posted - 2005.12.26 18:59:00 - [28] Originally by: Harry Voyager Edited by: Harry Voyager on 26/12/2005 18:52:06 I would actually expect Command ships to sell for around 100-150m once the prices settle. Command Ships, unlike HACs, have Recon Cruisers and Interdictors to compete with, so despite their capabilities thye're going to be far less decisive than the last generation of T2 ships were. I mean, a Zealot only had to worry about other HACs messing it up. Command ships have to worry about getting in a fight with an EWar or NOS Recon Cruiser, and Interdictors are going to run nasty rings abot them. Harry Voyager interdictors will get owned by any medium gun anyway, 90 sig radius on flycatcher ftl.
Harry Voyager	Posted - 2005.12.26 19:18:00 - [29] Originally by: missusblonde Originally by: Harry Voyager Edited by: Harry Voyager on 26/12/2005 18:52:06 I would actually expect Command ships to sell for around 100-150m once the prices settle. Command Ships, unlike HACs, have Recon Cruisers and Interdictors to compete with, so despite their capabilities thye're going to be far less decisive than the last generation of T2 ships were. I mean, a Zealot only had to worry about other HACs messing it up. Command ships have to worry about getting in a fight with an EWar or NOS Recon Cruiser, and Interdictors are going to run nasty rings abot them. Harry Voyager you arnt making much sense mate, command ships have to compete with recon cruisers and interdicors and HAC's dont? ok....... why? command ships have a huge cost and build time, the amarr field command is like a super zealot, and you think its going to sell for the same price as a zealot? When HACs came out, they were the undisputed kings of Tech II. The only Tech II ships they were flying against were Interceptors, Assault Frigates, and Covert frigates. Inties were a limited threat, though they were considered to be mostly tackling ships. Assault Frigates were just a smaller weaker HAC, so HAC's trumped them. Coverts weren't designed for shooting, so HACs never gave them much thought. Stealth Bombers were gimpy waste, so HACs didn't need to consider them. Hence, if you wanted a top of the line combat ship, you got a HAC. They were the only game in town for, what, nearly a year now? Command Ships aren't going to have that advantage. While they may be more powerful than HACs, their relative advantage is actually less than HACs. Recon cruisers are going to pose a very serious threat to them, that HACs haven't had to face for the past, what is it, year now. Quote: interdictors will get owned by any medium gun anyway, 90 sig radius on flycatcher ftl. Interdictors are going to be able to break 1.5kps without MWD, with MWD, we're looking at 3-4kps, which is far more than even most Medium guns can track. Additionally, it is possible to fit out full weapon loads, and battlecruiser grade extender tanks on most Interdictors, without seriously increasing their sig radius. While a lone Inter is going to have difficulties taking on a Com ship, a pair or trio will mess one up fast, particularely if they are using NOS. We aren't going to be looking at the same single ship dominated battlefield that we've been looking for the past several months. Harry Voyager ____________________ I'm not an idiot; I just play one on the forums.
missusblonde	Posted - 2005.12.26 21:11:00 - [30] with its 25% bonuse to all armor resists, the absolution will have better all around resists than a zealot, apart from explosive, where it will only be 2.5% lower, add a couple of corpum a-type nanos with the passive skills onto this, and we are talking some insane resists, explosive up to 90% and the like, these things are going to be beasts.
Harry Voyager	Posted - 2005.12.27 01:38:00 - [31] Originally by: missusblonde with its 25% bonuse to all armor resists, the absolution will have better all around resists than a zealot, apart from explosive, where it will only be 2.5% lower, add a couple of corpum a-type nanos with the passive skills onto this, and we are talking some insane resists, explosive up to 90% and the like, these things are going to be beasts. And it's going to die right quick when someone's got it jammed, NOSed, scrambled, and swarmed, which is what we're going to be seeing with these Recon Cruisers. That's why Com Ships aren't going to be the be all end all of the new warfare. ____________________ I'm not an idiot; I just play one on the forums.
Mina Roberts	Posted - 2005.12.27 03:09:00 - [32] so basically if it gets ganked by a lot of ships when its by itself its going to die? well done captain obvious, you saved the day again. any ship being ganked like that is going to die.
Harry Voyager	Posted - 2005.12.27 03:29:00 - [33] Originally by: Mina Roberts so basically if it gets ganked by a lot of ships when its by itself its going to die? well done captain obvious, you saved the day again. any ship being ganked like that is going to die. Check out the new Recon cruisers. They are capable of doing that level of lock down solo. ____________________ I'm not an idiot; I just play one on the forums.
Mina Roberts	Posted - 2005.12.27 03:36:00 - [34] Edited by: Mina Roberts on 27/12/2005 03:38:23 So a solo recon cruiser is going to get it jammed, NOSed, scrambled, and swarmed. tell me, so you go around in every ship auction thread stating that the ship sucks because recon cruisers will own it?
Vince Draken	Posted - 2005.12.27 03:41:00 - [35] Edited by: Vince Draken on 27/12/2005 03:42:44 Originally by: missusblonde Originally by: Harry Voyager I would actually expect Command ships to sell for around 100-150m once the prices settle. Command Ships, unlike HACs, have Recon Cruisers and Interdictors to compete with, so despite their capabilities thye're going to be far less decisive than the last generation of T2 ships were. Harry Voyager you arnt making much sense mate, command ships have to compete with recon cruisers and interdicors and HAC's dont? ok....... why? command ships have a huge cost and build time, the amarr field command is like a super zealot, and you think its going to sell for the same price as a zealot? Considering Zealots cost 40-50M to build and there are infinitly more pilots with the skills to fly it isnt fair to compare it. The above thoughts and statements are IC and should be taken as such.
Mina Roberts	Posted - 2005.12.27 03:54:00 - [36] perhaps you should take another look at the build cost of a zealot.
Harry Voyager	Posted - 2005.12.27 04:59:00 - [37] Edited by: Harry Voyager on 27/12/2005 05:01:11 Originally by: Mina Roberts Edited by: Mina Roberts on 27/12/2005 03:38:23 So a solo recon cruiser is going to get it jammed, NOSed, scrambled, and swarmed. tell me, so you go around in every ship auction thread stating that the ship sucks because recon cruisers will own it? No, I'm just saying that this ship catagory isn't going to be in the same sort of demand that HACs were in their day, because there are alternatives to it that there were no compairables to back when HACs came out. I'm also tryign to point out that this ship is not going to be the Fist of God people are making it out to be; the class has serious weaknesses to its strengths, that can easily be used against it. As such, they will never be worth the 500m+ that some Com Ship BPO owners are trying to charge for them, even though they will utterly spank current HACs. I honestly doubt they'll even be able to keep selling them for the 200m-250m that they're going for now, precisely because of the capabilities of the other ship classes also being released at this time. Harry Voyager Addendum: I'm also expecting HAC prices to take a nose dive, once things settle out, again because they are now going to be threatened with Recons, Coms, and Inters, all of which are capable of going toe to toe with them favorably. ____________________ I'm not an idiot; I just play one on the forums.
gen2	Posted - 2005.12.29 04:38:00 - [38] Originally by: missusblonde with its 25% bonuse to all armor resists, the absolution will have better all around resists than a zealot, apart from explosive, where it will only be 2.5% lower, add a couple of corpum a-type nanos with the passive skills onto this, and we are talking some insane resists, explosive up to 90% and the like, these things are going to be beasts. actually that 25% bonus is for the BC skill level which is required at level 5 to use the ship. Those resist bonuses are already factored into the ships stats.....Do a show info on the ship in market, those resists will be the exact same once you board the ship. Just like the sacrilege, the 5% bonus to resists per Cruiser level is already figured into the stats.....Absolution's resists will be similar to Zealots if not exactly the same. Back to the main topic though, bravo for selling the ship at a fair price...While of course I'd prefer it to be cheaper, 240 mil is a very fair price. If you get another ship mark me down for one....and a Damnation too if you can find one at that price =))
Mina Roberts	Posted - 2005.12.29 05:20:00 - [39] You are wrong, the SAC and zealot both have same resists on the market, except sac is supposed to get 25% bonus to all resists. Now look at deimos and ishtar, neither get a bonus, yet both have the exact same resists, all HAC get the same resists - apart from the SAC, which gets 25% bonus which does not show up until you board the ship. This works the same for all ships, so please dont go saying the resists are already factored in
GFLTorque	Posted - 2005.12.29 22:09:00 - [40] Originally by: Harry Voyager No, I'm just saying that this ship catagory isn't going to be in the same sort of demand that HACs were in their day, because there are alternatives to it that there were no compairables to back when HACs came out. I'm also tryign to point out that this ship is not going to be the Fist of God people are making it out to be; the class has serious weaknesses to its strengths, that can easily be used against it. As such, they will never be worth the 500m+ that some Com Ship BPO owners are trying to charge for them, even though they will utterly spank current HACs. Harry I think your getting the Field Command Battlecruisers confused with the Fleet Command Battlecruisers. The Absolution and the Damnation are 2 very different ships. Absolution is more of a ship to pvp in solo or maybe with a gang, Fleet Command ships are almost total Gang SKill Boosting bad arses imo. I can't see a scenario why a Fleet command ship would ever 1v1 a ship unless it got caught travelling. I can see an Absolution (Field command) ship doing a bit of 1v1. -Torque
Harry Voyager	Posted - 2005.12.29 22:35:00 - [41] The ship the OP is selling is the direct comat ship, making it the one most likely to get pounced solo, hence my coments on its reduced 1v1 advantages are still valid. I'm also of the opinion that those critiques are valid for the Fleet Command ships as well. Their high value makes them a primary target in any engagement, which effectively limits them to engagment sizes where thye can survive that kind of attention. In other words, unless they come down in price considerably, they will be limited to fairly small scale engagments, where they are vulnerable to EWar, and their gang bonuses do not give the same level of benefit as they could in a large scale fleet action. Harry Voyager ____________________ I'm not an idiot; I just play one on the forums.
mrg29	Posted - 2005.12.29 22:49:00 - [42] the ship the OP was pretending to sell harry - they haven't gone through with the sale. looks like this auction was just someone having a laugh.
Harry Voyager	Posted - 2005.12.29 23:17:00 - [43] Originally by: mrg29 the ship the OP was pretending to sell harry - they haven't gone through with the sale. looks like this auction was just someone having a laugh. Can you petition it to the mods? ____________________ I'm not an idiot; I just play one on the forums.
zcinner	Posted - 2005.12.29 23:24:00 - [44] Originally by: Espen Originally by: KilROCK Originally by: Binni Girl the recon ships have been selling for up to 250m odd and they cost less than half the build cost and have a much smaller build time, and your calling me greedy? Yes word lal
mrg29	Posted - 2005.12.29 23:58:00 - [45] Originally by: Harry Voyager Originally by: mrg29 the ship the OP was pretending to sell harry - they haven't gone through with the sale. looks like this auction was just someone having a laugh. Can you petition it to the mods? whats the point if they never actually had the ship in first place and were just trying to wind ppl up.
Harry Voyager	Posted - 2005.12.30 03:26:00 - [46] Originally by: mrg29 Originally by: Harry Voyager Originally by: mrg29 the ship the OP was pretending to sell harry - they haven't gone through with the sale. looks like this auction was just someone having a laugh. Can you petition it to the mods? whats the point if they never actually had the ship in first place and were just trying to wind ppl up. I don't know, making sure they don't do it again, maybe? ____________________ I'm not an idiot; I just play one on the forums.
gen2	Posted - 2005.12.30 21:13:00 - [47] Originally by: Mina Roberts You are wrong, the SAC and zealot both have same resists on the market, except sac is supposed to get 25% bonus to all resists. Now look at deimos and ishtar, neither get a bonus, yet both have the exact same resists, all HAC get the same resists - apart from the SAC, which gets 25% bonus which does not show up until you board the ship. This works the same for all ships, so please dont go saying the resists are already factored in I stand corrected, you are right. But in my defense, when I looked at resists a year ago when I got into my Sac, the resists WERE factored in, and listed at 70 EM, 85 Exp, 71.875 Kin, and 51.25 Thermal...Guess that's what I get for not paying attention for a year....Thanks for clarifying that.
Flamia	Posted - 2006.01.03 17:11:00 - [48] Has anyone still got an Absolution for sale?
LWMaverick	Posted - 2006.01.03 19:11:00 - [49] Originally by: Flamia Has anyone still got an Absolution for sale? Doubt it... and if there is.. Im VERY intrested! With great power, comes great responsibility.
Flamia	Posted - 2006.01.03 19:37:00 - [50] I am exactly 5m ISK more interested than you
LWMaverick	Posted - 2006.01.03 20:09:00 - [51] Originally by: Flamia I am exactly 5m ISK more interested than you Lies! all lies! With great power, comes great responsibility.
Flamia	Posted - 2006.01.06 03:49:00 - [52] bump

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