So only bots who RMT'd were banned?

For instance, if I were to rat or run missions for 5 hours and had 200mil isk and decided I was going to sell my 200mil isk for 5 bucks to a corp member,

The article on this thread shows that "gold farming" is legal in Australia (and funnily enough is right next door to China).

I started top reply then stopped myself, because you're doing what you usually do. You know I didn't say any such thing, I typed plain English and never once suggested the thing I just quoted from you. You get lost in the details (skewed by your own imo rather ocd perceptions) and all it ever does is end up in a stupid circular argument. As I don't have the patience of Tippia, i'm not playing lol.

That is RMT & breaks the EULA that you accepted when you play this game. You should be banned & all you stuff taken by CCP.

End of Story :P

But if that RMTer made the isk, and decided to do whatever he wanted with it... no, that doesn't hurt Eve.

I suggest you look at a world map.

You just do not get it do you.

You just can NOT do whatever you want in this game because this game does not belong to you.

CCP owns this game, owns all your characters, owns all your stuff.

As a player, you RENT this game from CCP. They provide you with an account & they give you certain freedoms to do what you want with this account as long as:

YOU FOLLOW THE EULA.

If you BREAK THE EULA, CCP has the right to take the game from you.

RMT IS BREAKING THE EULA, so CCP will take the game from you, you lose it all. :P

The argument is not if RMT follows the EULA or not. Pay attention please.

You still do not get it. Why talk or argue about RMTing when you cannot do it?

Sounds like you want to be able to play a video game and sell your in-game currency for real life money.

Instead of getting off your lazy a$$ and getting a real life job & then playing a video game for entertainment.

GROW UP OR GO BACK TO World of Warcraft :P

That is RMT & breaks the EULA that you accepted when you play this game. You should be banned & all you stuff taken by CCP.

End of Story :P

The article on this thread shows that "gold farming" is legal in Australia (and funnily enough is right next door to China).

Maybe they should have some sort of smuggler type deal where they cross the border for "legal" employment....

I just realized... those are prisoners being forced to play on the computer.

How terrible. They should stop at breaking rocks or finding the soft spot on a tank or something. How dare they be forced to play on a computer!

A gaming company would have to prove:
a.Money exchanged hands between the two parties in question.
b.The exchange of monies constituted a quid pro quo transaction.
c.The exchange was exactly real world currency for in-game currency/items/characters/etc. (as opposed to some sort of payment-for-service arrangement).
d.The original wording of the agreement between the gaming company and the gamer could reasonably be understood to prohibit such a transaction.

In addition, it would be very important that no other rules, regulations, laws superseded or pre-empted such a stipulation in the original agreement (the EULA) . . . blabbitty blah blah blah . . . there is so much gray area to muddle through. It's not so simple or lawyers wouldn't get paid so damn much and there probably wouldn't even be a need for something like an "End User License Agreement".

Besides all that, what gives a gaming company the right to essentially destroy what I may have been building up for years (maybe over a decade, in the case of EVE Online)? Isn't taking away my stuff and my character damaging me in some sense? Shouldn't they have to prove that I damaged them before they are allowed to damage me?

Check out the whole article. They had to break rocks or something all day until dark, have a half hour for a meal, and then grind quests in WoW until 3:00 AM or something. 7 days per week. And they had to play WoW gewd-- if they failed a quest or didn't meet their leveling-up quota, the guards would punish them.
Is that the definition of hell or what?

I am saying RMT does not hurt the player. EVE doesn't factor into it. We are not EVE.

As ANY/All accounts apart from trials require a sub in some for of fashion, it doesn't have any bearing on yours or my daily activities. Therefore not up to us to decide.

But if that RMTer made the isk, and decided to do whatever he wanted with it... no, that doesn't hurt Eve.

Make a new account, go to Rookie Help, and see how many other donations happen where people shower newbies with isk. Paint your picture there and see what happens =)

Of course RMT hurts the player.

RMT stops money which should go going CCP, therefore its lost revenue that could be otherwise spent on the game that as a player I pay for

Nope 1.the EULA 2.allows 3. CCP to turn round and 4. ban 5. you 6. for any reason they see fit. 7. It's not your stuff or your character as it's all the property of CCP, 8. you agreed to that when you clicked accept on the EULA so 9. legally you haven't got a leg to stand on.