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Loves Veldspar	Posted - 2005.12.27 19:59:00 - [1] This is getting even more out of hand than it was once before. 3 Regions--Tash-Murkon, The Force, and Lonetrek-- the lowest price on a Cap Recharger II is 22 million. 14.5 a mil per pop was the holding price for a long time, now these modules are increasing drastically in price--this is getting even more out of control. CCP needs to do something to fix all of this price fixing. Tech 2 BPCs need to be given out by agents or something to at least try and bring the price down to around the build cost like most of the other tech 2 BPOs that were released years ago.
EvilSnik	Posted - 2005.12.27 20:07:00 - [2] Couldn't agree more. Theres several issues at hand - the missing RAM's. Or rather the lack of agents missioners running the missions for the bonus rwards. Growing population. Modules dont have enough BPO's released to cope with demand. Lack of proper ways to make BPC's - current tech 2 bpc copy times are way out of hand. Other than that everythings peachy. Only ones that might complain in this thread are the holders of Tech2 bpo's.
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2005.12.27 20:09:00 - [3] Erm... if it is over-priced and you cant afford it, just look or buy some other thing else. Wouldnt that be easier, cheaper and better? ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Tonkin	Posted - 2005.12.27 20:09:00 - [4] its not the price fixing is the problem. RAMS are there not enough and the prices are soaring, hacs all tech 2 stuff will be the thing of the past soon, but im thinkin the next patch fixs that
Happysin	Posted - 2005.12.27 20:11:00 - [5] RAM and a proportional seeding of BPOs is really all that is needed, IMO.
Peter Armstrong	Posted - 2005.12.27 20:12:00 - [6] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Erm... if it is over-priced and you cant afford it, just look or buy some other thing else. Wouldnt that be easier, cheaper and better? its not better but i agree with the post.
Loves Veldspar	Posted - 2005.12.27 20:14:00 - [7] I've saved all of them that I've gotten from loot, and I rarely lose them. I have plenty of money to buy them, and wasn't OVERLY concerned with the 14-15 mil price tag that they were in the past. Now that they're getting up to 22 mil and above, this is just pathetic. CCP needs to intervene with MANY of the tech 2 BPOs. This is one of the longest running tech 2 BPOs. It costs around 1.1 mil or so to make, yet sells for 20x that much? If this was a legimate mod like say damage mods are, it would go for 2.5-3 mil.
Kaliesin	Posted - 2005.12.27 20:17:00 - [8] Yeah isn't it terrible that a 1 day old Alt can't buy his toys. There is a simple solution, you don't like the price, don't buy them. We have this debate every month or 2, I didn't see you complaining when Ravens were fetching 127mil instead of the 105mil they are now. Why don't you start by selling all your excess named and t2 kit cheap and show people how it should be done.
EvilSnik	Posted - 2005.12.27 20:19:00 - [9] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Erm... if it is over-priced and you cant afford it, just look or buy some other thing else. Wouldnt that be easier, cheaper and better? Dont think it's a matter of affording it most current players over 6 months can, but the way this is working at the moment is to create an even bigger gap between the 'Haves' and 'Have Not's'. This is a game not RL
Shizzles	Posted - 2005.12.27 20:21:00 - [10] these things used to be 10 mill each. now they have more then doubbled in price. For 1 of these you could buy a interceptor or 2. Now that's rediclous.
EvilSnik	Posted - 2005.12.27 20:22:00 - [11] Edited by: EvilSnik on 27/12/2005 20:23:26 Originally by: Kaliesin Yeah isn't it terrible that a 1 day old Alt can't buy his toys. There is a simple solution, you don't like the price, don't buy them. Lets take this one at a time. 1 day old alt - fine dont like alt posting myself, but he has a point. Dont buy them, lets see punisher with an exact same setup as the offending punisher, but one difference the cap recharge 2, which has the advantage?? Mods like this are not only for 'The Elite'. Perhaps you should see it from a 'Whole' game perspective.
Mned Graydroggen	Posted - 2005.12.27 20:23:00 - [12] RAM's are indeed the problem. Or more precise the absence of a steady source of them. Agent seeding can not keep up with the T2 bpo's that have now been added. It might be an idea to have npc's seed them for a while, a few months or something. Similar to the moonproducts npc seeding when POSses where introduced. This to relax the market some and give the agents time to seed a proper amount. What I would like to see is having Research agent give out special missions from time to time, the reward not beeing more rp's but an RAM/RdB bpc, even bpo's at higher levels. We need either an player based seeding of RAM/RdB or a bigger npc seeding. Else I also se the T2 market come to a halt on the not to near future. Mned
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2005.12.27 20:24:00 - [13] Need...more...BPOs... Need...more...RAMs... --------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk
Nyphur	Posted - 2005.12.27 20:26:00 - [14] Originally by: Peter Armstrong Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Erm... if it is over-priced and you cant afford it, just look or buy some other thing else. Wouldnt that be easier, cheaper and better? its not better but i agree with the post. The markup on each cap recharger II is over 10mil. So yeah... it's definitely price-fixing...
Loves Veldspar	Posted - 2005.12.27 20:31:00 - [15] Originally by: Kaliesin Yeah isn't it terrible that a 1 day old Alt can't buy his toys. There is a simple solution, you don't like the price, don't buy them. We have this debate every month or 2, I didn't see you complaining when Ravens were fetching 127mil instead of the 105mil they are now. Why don't you start by selling all your excess named and t2 kit cheap and show people how it should be done. There's a big difference in a ship that costs 98 mil or more to make going for 127, and a mod that costs 1.1 mil to make going for 22.
Kaliesin	Posted - 2005.12.27 20:41:00 - [16] Originally by: EvilSnik Edited by: EvilSnik on 27/12/2005 20:23:26 Originally by: Kaliesin Yeah isn't it terrible that a 1 day old Alt can't buy his toys. There is a simple solution, you don't like the price, don't buy them. Lets take this one at a time. 1 day old alt - fine dont like alt posting myself, but he has a point. Dont buy them, lets see punisher with an exact same setup as the offending punisher, but one difference the cap recharge 2, which has the advantage?? Mods like this are not only for 'The Elite'. Perhaps you should see it from a 'Whole' game perspective. From a whole game point of view, the market sets the price. So the price is fair if that is the price on the market. With the lack of RAM and R.db there is also the issue of T2 bpo copy time and build time, they are slow to build and slow to copy so there is a finite build quantity, that means that more people wish to buy than are being made, hence the high prices. I do not believe that all the T2 CR bpo's are in use for the scarcity of the item on the market, now that is an issue that needs addressing.
Embattle	Posted - 2005.12.27 20:45:00 - [17] Just started a thread in market forum asking why, although I had a fairly good idea this would be the excuse....not really sure it is quite as valid as hacs. ----------- Trolling - Ban - All I got was this silly Hat.
Kaliesin	Posted - 2005.12.27 20:45:00 - [18] Originally by: Loves Veldspar Originally by: Kaliesin Yeah isn't it terrible that a 1 day old Alt can't buy his toys. There is a simple solution, you don't like the price, don't buy them. We have this debate every month or 2, I didn't see you complaining when Ravens were fetching 127mil instead of the 105mil they are now. Why don't you start by selling all your excess named and t2 kit cheap and show people how it should be done. There's a big difference in a ship that costs 98 mil or more to make going for 127, and a mod that costs 1.1 mil to make going for 22. There is, ok lets do the maths, to fly a raven you need frig 4, cruiser 4 and bs2, to get the bpo and then build a tech2 item you need what investment of time and skills? Also remember that the 1.1mil build cost of the CR2 was from the days that agents gave out t2 componants, something that no longer happens, you now need to figure in the cost of building and running POS's etc, I can only see T2 stuff getting higher and higher in price. Its just most noticable in CR2's and HAC's at the moment but it will get worse with the recent seeding, more t2 BPO's but still a finite number of people and corps willing to devote the resources to building them.
PirateShampoo	Posted - 2005.12.27 20:45:00 - [19] Im a 2 year old alt boy and i still cant buy my toys so stfu, i pay real life cash to play this game the way i want to play it (has a pirate) and its a f ing joke i cant after 2 years of traing skills to fly and fit the things that should b able to do, i cant cause a few uber rich alliances care more about making isk than letting other people enjoy the game, ccp should retake controll of the market or release the nesseary bpo etc to fix it.
Haulsalot	Posted - 2005.12.27 20:47:00 - [20] Originally by: EvilSnik Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Erm... if it is over-priced and you cant afford it, just look or buy some other thing else. Wouldnt that be easier, cheaper and better? Dont think it's a matter of affording it most current players over 6 months can, but the way this is working at the moment is to create an even bigger gap between the 'Haves' and 'Have Not's'. This is a game not RL LIES!!! ...eve is real I tell you, no..really it is...
Kaliesin	Posted - 2005.12.27 20:48:00 - [21] Originally by: Embattle Just started a thread in market forum asking why, although I had a fairly good idea this would be the excuse....not really sure it is quite as valid as hacs. Its not, the difference is that HACs are a specialised skill set to fly, CR2's are very popular as they do there job well, and they are one of the easiest T2 items to train for, which gives them a much larger user base than almost all other T2.
Haulsalot	Posted - 2005.12.27 20:49:00 - [22] Originally by: PirateShampoo Im a 2 year old alt boy and i still cant buy my toys so stfu, i pay real life cash to play this game the way i want to play it (has a pirate) and its a f ing joke i cant after 2 years of traing skills to fly and fit the things that should b able to do, i cant cause a few uber rich alliances care more about making isk than letting other people enjoy the game, ccp should retake controll of the market or release the nesseary bpo etc to fix it. ok to recap: Its ok for YOU to play how you want...but not for the others...OK we understand now... Here...have a few cookies@@@@@@@@ (chocolate chip even...)
Embattle	Posted - 2005.12.27 20:50:00 - [23] So you say, however my opinion is lsightly different....even if I do understand the market forces causing it. ----------- Trolling - Ban - All I got was this silly Hat.
Vince Draken	Posted - 2005.12.27 20:51:00 - [24] Originally by: Kaliesin Originally by: Loves Veldspar Originally by: Kaliesin Yeah isn't it terrible that a 1 day old Alt can't buy his toys. There is a simple solution, you don't like the price, don't buy them. We have this debate every month or 2, I didn't see you complaining when Ravens were fetching 127mil instead of the 105mil they are now. Why don't you start by selling all your excess named and t2 kit cheap and show people how it should be done. There's a big difference in a ship that costs 98 mil or more to make going for 127, and a mod that costs 1.1 mil to make going for 22. There is, ok lets do the maths, to fly a raven you need frig 4, cruiser 4 and bs2, to get the bpo and then build a tech2 item you need what investment of time and skills? Also remember that the 1.1mil build cost of the CR2 was from the days that agents gave out t2 componants, something that no longer happens, you now need to figure in the cost of building and running POS's etc, I can only see T2 stuff getting higher and higher in price. Its just most noticable in CR2's and HAC's at the moment but it will get worse with the recent seeding, more t2 BPO's but still a finite number of people and corps willing to devote the resources to building them. Stop trying to justify it. Cap II's are one of the only module with only 8 bpo's. EIGHT! Most others hve 20. This is becuase the cap II was one of if not the first t2 bpo. Yes, there should be more seeded... The above thoughts and statements are IC and should be taken as such.
PirateShampoo	Posted - 2005.12.27 20:55:00 - [25] Originally by: Haulsalot Originally by: PirateShampoo Im a 2 year old alt boy and i still cant buy my toys so stfu, i pay real life cash to play this game the way i want to play it (has a pirate) and its a f ing joke i cant after 2 years of traing skills to fly and fit the things that should b able to do, i cant cause a few uber rich alliances care more about making isk than letting other people enjoy the game, ccp should retake controll of the market or release the nesseary bpo etc to fix it. ok to recap: Its ok for YOU to play how you want...but not for the others...OK we understand now... Here...have a few cookies@@@@@@@@ (chocolate chip even...) So u think its perfectly ok for some 1 to spend 5 plus months of the time traing to get in a hac foe example only for a small bunch of people to turn it into a toy for the rich? Why should a 4 month old character b any different from a 2 year 1? There both paying money to play the game and they should b allowed to, to its full extent, the big corps can still make a very nice profit without selling the produce at redicuals prices. Oh dont b such a **** and post with ur main
Kaliesin	Posted - 2005.12.27 21:01:00 - [26] Edited by: Kaliesin on 27/12/2005 21:03:45 Originally by: Vince Draken Stop trying to justify it. Cap II's are one of the only module with only 8 bpo's. EIGHT! Most others hve 20. This is becuase the cap II was one of if not the first t2 bpo. Yes, there should be more seeded... I agree, I am not arguing that there are enough BPO's or that the price is fair, I am arguing that that is the price at the moment, and why its so. I know 2 of the CR2 makers and they both originally sold at a nice profit, so what happened someone else camped there sell station (Yulai of course) bought them, doubled the price and put them back on the market. So the builders raised there market price, why not make the isk on the item they had run R&D for (yes I know its a lottery), researched and built and had all the grief of being attacked for making them, attempting to be held to ransom, threated and attacked by forum warriors, I am surprised a few haven't said to f-off and trashed the damn thing.
HUGO DRAX	Posted - 2005.12.27 21:08:00 - [27] The price of T2 caps is fine, its what people are willing to pay for them. Its called supply and demand. if folks decide in general that they will only pay 5million for them then the price will hit 5million in the open market. I would not be surprised if T2 producers raise the price of them to 30million each that they will still sell. Dont just complain, do something. Channel macrointel meet with likeminded folks, spottings,intel
R'adeh	Posted - 2005.12.27 21:08:00 - [28] To all those people saying those prices are because of the RAMs...STFU!!! There are enough of them, even if they cost more now than they did a while ago. And their increased prices don't explain why cap recharger IIs are suddenly 10.5mil more expensive than before. I don't care if something's expensive (hell, I love to fly Ishtars, even if their overpriced), but prices for cap recharger IIs are a joke atm. It's not like I don't have the ISK, I just don't feel like paying a ton for something as simple as a T2 cap recharger. PS: Do some Cosmos missions...you'll get nice named cap rechargers with the same 20% recharge rate and smaller fitting requirements. PPS: Damn you bloody cartels...you make me run missions!! "blah blah blah, we killed you, blah blah blah, they killed us, blah blah blah, some more smack, blah blah blah killboard ina..."
Slardibardfast	Posted - 2005.12.27 21:12:00 - [29] The price IS being fixed. I have contacts that would like to (and do) sell them below current market prices. Within 10 minutes of placing them on the market they are all bought and then re-appear with a markup of 10m each. The only reason that you cant find them cheap is that there are a few players that sit and buy ANY that appear under their price and snap them up to resell. & yes, I can afford the current price but prefer to use named ones that are alot cheaper and I don't mind loosing.
Vince Draken	Posted - 2005.12.27 21:39:00 - [30] Originally by: HUGO DRAX The price of T2 caps is fine, its what people are willing to pay for them. Its called supply and demand. if folks decide in general that they will only pay 5million for them then the price will hit 5million in the open market. I would not be surprised if T2 producers raise the price of them to 30million each that they will still sell. That is a foolish statement. The supply is artificially controlled by CCP. People pay that. because they must. The problem is that it is a liscense to print isk granted by CCP to 8 players, all because they won a lottery two years ago. In the real world, after awhile all techonoliges come down in price. I defy you to show me other. In short, it isnt a free market, k? The above thoughts and statements are IC and should be taken as such.

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