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Vandar Broheem
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Posted - 2005.12.28 01:55:00 -
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Edited by: Vandar Broheem on 28/12/2005 01:57:05
 Originally by: Ruffio Sepico
Edited by: Ruffio Sepico on 28/12/2005 01:00:43
Originally by: Vandar Broheem
I think another great idea would be to wipe a persons RP points back to zero if they win a T2 BPO. No matter how many powerball tickets I buy, whether I win or loose, you can't use them over for the next drawing and those people should not get to keep their pool of points if the win either. That would even out the odds for people in the lotto situation and almost eliminate the chances of anybody getting more than one.
 This is why the kids should keep quiet while the elders talk. Once you get "lucky", the agent end the research and you spend all your RP, wether its 100 or 100 million. Then you need to start from scratch again if you want the agent to spearhead another research project for you.
I dont want to be rude, but you seriously need to read up on how R&D works.
Also, if you want to limit people to take part in the "lottery" because they already won something? How stupid is that? Do you know how many skilsl and training time being invested into this as well? As long as you do the same as everyone else (can) do, you should be able to participate. There is no one saying in the real world; sorry you won in the lottery once, so you cant be allowed to buy any tickets anymore
Too bad you didn't see when I said this, you could have completely avoided feeling rude.
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Hey I may be a bigger dummy I'm just going off something I heard as I am still getting the skills to get my first R&D agent.
I suppose some clarification on that matter would be nice if some BPO winner might be willing to answer.
As for the limitation yeah maybe that was a bit harsh, but no one definately should be able to win more than one of the same BPO.
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Theonlystd
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Posted - 2005.12.28 03:39:00 -
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Erm
All i hear is how Skills Points dont matter yadda yada the 5% isnt the big of help.
So y not erm just buy Named Caps that are just a few percents lower than the T2 ones and much cheaper. And you do that long enough prices will go down on the T2's one.
Unless of course those percents matters and all you vets been lying? :p
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Shugo Kazuma
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Posted - 2005.12.28 05:07:00 -
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The only thing T2 needs is to allow people to buy 5 run BPCs for proportionally huge amounts of RP.
It would be nice for CPP to re-evaluate the number of seeded BPOs based on new account numbers since there's probably vastly more people playing now than when T2 started coming out.
Though I doubt it would decrease the average price, it would boost the supply side (more BPOs building ships). And I think that's desperatly needed for certain items atm.
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David Corbett
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Posted - 2005.12.28 05:23:00 -
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Unfortunately, the supply of Cap Recharger IIs is quite constant. The demand, however, is not. What were you expecting, exactly?
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David Corbett
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Posted - 2005.12.28 05:24:00 -
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Originally by: Theonlystd
Erm
All i hear is how Skills Points dont matter yadda yada the 5% isnt the big of help.
So y not erm just buy Named Caps that are just a few percents lower than the T2 ones and much cheaper. And you do that long enough prices will go down on the T2's one.
Unless of course those percents matters and all you vets been lying? :p
That's what I do, for the most part. I fly a Dominix and instead use five Eutectic I (18%) capacitor rechargers that I looted out of dead rats for a total of forty million ISK in lost profits (probably less by now), a full sixty million or more less than buying the T2 cap rechargers. My tank holds fine against any variety of Angel NPC rat spawn, anyway.
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jonies
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Posted - 2005.12.28 06:41:00 -
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I believe in supply and demand, saying that I think this CR t2 thing is just plain greed nothing more. The owners know there are only 8 others (which I think this would be considered a cartel) As in the Oil companies and drug cartels. That being said, Lets look at CCP for a sec. Why is it a year or so since t2 stuff came out and yet no cap relay t2. Because as in the beginning of the game as in today. There is a small group of players ( gms or not) that get special treatment. This will continue until the game ends. But in the end the only way to make the price of the CRT2s go down is stop buying them at such a rediculus price.
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Kalis Kruizeghirl
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Posted - 2005.12.28 09:10:00 -
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Edited by: Kalis Kruizeghirl on 28/12/2005 09:11:46
Originally by: David Corbett
Unfortunately, the supply of Cap Recharger IIs is quite constant. The demand, however, is not. What were you expecting, exactly?
A CR2 takes approx 3 hours per unit to build, so with 8bpo's in game that a supply of 24 per day. If 25 per day sell then you get demand outstripping supply.
But think on just how small a supply this is.
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Hawk Firestorm
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Posted - 2005.12.28 09:28:00 -
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Well yes but at the end of the day the entire t2 BPO lottery system is borked too.
There's too few competition and it leaves the market open to massive manipulation.
The prices of T2 stuff has gotten to the point that it's become little point of it being in game as it's use is impractical for the most part, and is to the overall detriment of the game and the gameplay.
It needs to go.
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Minuz1
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Posted - 2005.12.28 10:38:00 -
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Originally by: Hawk Firestorm
Well yes but at the end of the day the entire t2 BPO lottery system is borked too.
There's too few competition and it leaves the market open to massive manipulation.
The prices of T2 stuff has gotten to the point that it's become little point of it being in game as it's use is impractical for the most part, and is to the overall detriment of the game and the gameplay.
It needs to go.
a) A Apoc BPO generates more income then a Sacrilege BPO so you can stuff you high prices somewhere into jita's sun
b) everyone is and has always been allowed to play in the lottery
c) 20x BPO's of every HAC there is ingame so the total production per day is like 20x4x2 (20 BPO's of every type, 4x Factions and 2x ships each).
A HAC can be made in 1 1/2 day with basic skills and no PE.
So it's possible to build 160 ships of this catagory alone every 1 1/2 day.
And I seriously doupt that there are more then 50 lost each day.
How is the t2 BPO lottery borked btw, you got some inside intel on CCP's lottery system?
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.12.28 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: R'adeh
PS: Do some Cosmos missions...you'll get nice named cap rechargers with the same 20% recharge rate and smaller fitting requirements.
Which? Not Ani, right? I did 95% of that.
And the problem is the 600 million ISK skills (WHEN avaliable) which you need to make the stupid things. I got a LOT of components out of Ani without getting the advanced skills you need to build...
So not its not really an alternative without people knowing the source...
Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm.
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Hugh Ruka
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Posted - 2005.12.28 12:17:00 -
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I don't see the point ... cap recharger IIs are not must have mods. use eutetics, or any other.
one thing I don't get. if they would lower the price, they would actualy increase profits. more ppl using and loosing them means more ppl buy them.
15 mio isk for a module is too much for me. 5-10 mio ? well ok. no problem loosing them so I will actualy buy them.
and actualy many resellers would buy all the stock and sell them for old price ... once they get out of resources, they have many mods but can't sell them for the high price, as there are still lower priced ones available.
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RedWyvern
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Posted - 2005.12.28 12:30:00 -
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for those suggesting other sources, I'd like to point out that you can get 20% charger bpcs ('Palisade') from COSMOS missions.
Apart from that the solution is simple. BOYCOTT CAP CHARGER II's.
you can't stop these people from raising their prices, you can't get any results from wardeccing them, you can't enter the market yourself.
More than enough people have already stated they don't buy Cap charger II's because of the prices. Lets make a campaign out of this!
It's hardly going to put them out of business -
I doubt any industrial type would limit themselves to a single product, but if the cap chargers sit idly on the shelves long enough, we can force a change. 
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Darcuese
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Posted - 2005.12.28 13:06:00 -
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Well. those that will get BPOs and want a quick money will sell them. Thos that will buy them will sell products, to often for high prices.
As a humble pilot I give my word that amarr ship BPO that one day might come in to my hands will be used for benefit to others and myself.
To many times those BPOs ended up in to greedy hands...and, I guess , to many times ppl become greedy because of it.
Well, it will be test for each and every one of you if you get your hands on it...post will be quoted, stories will be spoken...I raise my glass and fire up a candle to every God that have power make my wish comes true.
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2005.12.28 13:20:00 -
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Best way to get cap recharger II's right now is to kill someone who has them fitted and take them from the loot can. 
-Wrayeth
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Digitix
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Posted - 2005.12.28 14:13:00 -
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Everyone who thinks CAP II's are too expensive is a crybaby... go mine a bit more and you can afford them easily.... 
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Hectaire Glade
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Posted - 2005.12.28 14:57:00 -
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R&D Agents to offer limited run BPCs periodically for fixed RP costs, problem is solved, supply becomes healthy, players get happier, its not just CAP Rech IIs that are the problem.
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pk blinder
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Posted - 2005.12.28 16:26:00 -
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Supply and demand old chum.
There is no such thing as over priced in this world as long as an item is selling for that price!
Now the only issue here is that the eve R&D system does NOT reflect what happens IRL. Usually, there is a break through. This is usually protected by the developer (sometimes too much leading to under acceptance and adoptation of an alternative - ie Sony Betamax, minidisk etc), but provided the technology reaches acceptance, other entities research to provide a similar offering (indeed, the unethical reverse engineer the product!).
So to the risk taker can come huge gains but also huge blind alleys and set backs. But once a technology is in the open market, it will become more available and competition will lead to lower costs.
Where the eve R&D path has gone slightly off track is that further R&D by competitors has not paid off and we are left with a oligopoly that are charging very high prices.
Two ways to reduce the price alter supply or demand.
Supply through more BPOs (it does seem crazy that there are so few compared to other BPOs), decrease manufacturing time, sprinkle BPCs through agent missions etc.
Demand through provision of alternatives such as named cap rechargers etc.
So CCP "should" do something to make the situation more realistic, but then maybe this is like Coka Cola and the manufacturers are getting away with rotecting their "magic formula?".
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AdriaLima
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Posted - 2005.12.28 16:38:00 -
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Im sure those bitter few tech II BPO holders are all to happy to meet the demand ..or at the very least try too cause they know they can ask pretty much any price. (not like buyers have much of a choice you know)
CCP simply needs to spread around those bpo's ..and no more lotteries cause they dont work as they intended imho.
Infact just pick a 1000 active accounts randomly and give each of them 1 random techII bpo. ..it would be far more fair then the lottery such as it is.
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Ralph Rackstraw
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Posted - 2005.12.28 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: Kaliesin
Why don't you start by selling all your excess named and t2 kit cheap and show people how it should be done.
Good Idea. How many of us are loot hogs? I go through my hangers every coupla weeks and routinely list my named items for 20% below regional average. (to lowbee for tech 2)
i have some tech 2 caps i been saving for when i get teh skills to us them. are you sure $22M isk? i paid $2.5M each about a month ago in the Amarr homeworlds area.
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babyblue
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Posted - 2005.12.28 20:03:00 -
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Edited by: babyblue on 28/12/2005 20:03:56
Originally by: Ralph Rackstraw
i have some tech 2 caps i been saving for when i get teh skills to us them. are you sure $22M isk? i paid $2.5M each about a month ago in the Amarr homeworlds area.
Originally by: Ralph Rackstraw
i have some tech 2 caps i been saving for when i get teh skills to us them. are you sure $22M isk? i paid $2.5M each about a month ago in the Amarr homeworlds area.
Check the regional price averages. I've been crying about this for over a year now. I thought paying 16 million for this module was ridiculous but 22 million? Haha.
You muppets screaming free market might like to take your heads out of your bottoms. It isn't a free market. A limited number of Competitors were "chosen" by CCP via. the lottery (randomly chosen I'm sure). In a truely free market some enterprising chap would have noted the rip off prices asked by the current producers and would be busy reverse engineering and/or creating something even better and/or cheaper in order to sell a million of these amazing modules at knock down prices. Will it happen? No. Because high Tech II prices are an aritifical constraint on the market created by CCP in order to keep the items in the "desirable" rather than "affordable" product bracket. See, at 2.5m the Cap Recharger II isn't really all that Sexeh, is it? So, you free market fan boys, go and play Wall Street. Eve isn't a free market.
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Mina Roberts
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Posted - 2005.12.28 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: AdriaLima
Im sure those bitter few tech II BPO holders are all to happy to meet the demand ..or at the very least try too cause they know they can ask pretty much any price. (not like buyers have much of a choice you know)
CCP simply needs to spread around those bpo's ..and no more lotteries cause they dont work as they intended imho.
Infact just pick a 1000 active accounts randomly and give each of them 1 random techII bpo. ..it would be far more fair then the lottery such as it is.
I cant believe the sudden influx of pathetic whiners now playing EVE.
You would seriously like for ccp to change the lottery so that all accounts will now get a chance at a bpo just because you cant be bothered to run missions and train the skills needed for research? I can see why ccp never post in these threads, there are some seriously stupid people posting here.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2005.12.28 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: EvilSnik
Couldn't agree more. Theres several issues at hand - the missing RAM's. Or rather the lack of agents missioners running the missions for the bonus rwards.
Growing population. Modules dont have enough BPO's released to cope with demand.
Lack of proper ways to make BPC's - current tech 2 bpc copy times are way out of hand.
Other than that everythings peachy. Only ones that might complain in this thread are the holders of Tech2 bpo's.
Actually, the only issue that screws with cap 2 prices is that all the BPOs are a part of a cartel, and they are the only source of cap2s, and knwoing this, they extort huge amounts of isk per item. If they realise even 5 more t2 cap charger BPOs, you'd probably see a massive drop in price because people would sell them for even just 12-15mil, and they'd sell every last cap charger 2, then the current holders would have to lower prices, or face a cripled income (not that it really matters since they've all made more money than some corporations ever will), but that is assuming that they don't end up with them, which is very likely since few people would be smart enough to pass up a 50bil + offer for their bpo.
Originally by: Asnar
Bush:but most importantly wtf was my carrier doing without support?
Admiral: well sorry mr president, guess you're not that stupid after all.....
Bush: /me shoots Admiral
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MysticNZ
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Posted - 2005.12.28 20:24:00 -
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Don't buy what you cant afford. Top named one has only %2 difference.
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BurnHard
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Posted - 2005.12.28 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: MysticNZ
Don't buy what you cant afford. Top named one has only %2 difference.
"only" 2%? Thats a huge difference across the board, especially for Amarr or any kind of laser/armor tank specialist. It's effectively a gigantic tax on your recharge rate. *******s to that. We need a lot more II BPO's or CCP needs to tweak the stats.
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digitalwanderer
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Posted - 2005.12.28 23:27:00 -
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Well,i'm just an old eve fart here,but i do distinctly remember paying roughly 1 million isk when the very first cap recharger 2's were released on the market some 18~20 months ago,and further more,the cost of making them at the time was 40k a piece,so even then the profit margin was pretty decent...
So even if we consider that mineral prices have gone up by about 2x on average since then,and that there's supposedly a RAM shortage,there's is no way in god's green earth that these things cost more than 150k each(at most)to make today...Meaning a profit margin of about 13000%,with the average cap recharger selling at 20 milion these days...
So with that,we can conclude that there are a lot of dumbasses in this world who will pay whatever it takes to fit those, and when the producer of said item passes you buy in his personal titan,just waive and say hello,for its with your money that he's in that ship today...
Have a nice day all...
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roBurky
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Posted - 2005.12.29 00:29:00 -
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Cap Rechargers are, I think, the only module that is useful on every single ship in the game (except maybe freighters). That's the reason the tech 2 version is expensive. There is enormous demand, so the module is enormously expensive. Even the tech 1 version has enormous profit in its manufacture. Everybody wants them and they'll pay anything to get them.
I'd sooner rework the cap recharger so it has a drawback to reduce the demand than I would increase the supply. But I don't really think there's a problem at the moment.
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Talos Darkhart
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Posted - 2005.12.29 02:12:00 -
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hmmm 8 bpo's you say with a subscription base of 70,000 ppl and around 17000 ppl or more logged on most of the time. I think the only ppl who would complain about more cap recharger 2 bpo's being released would be the cartel and let's be honest it is highly unlikely all of the 8 bpo's are currently active.
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Kaell Meynn
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Posted - 2005.12.29 07:48:00 -
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You do of course realize, that starting a thread saying "CR II's only going up in price!!" is going to CAUSE them to go up in price, right? Since everyeone will buy them now before they go up, thus decimating availability, and driving the price through the roof (okay, the roof's roof's roof, as they already went through the roof, and through the roof's roof months ago).
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Allen Deckard
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Posted - 2005.12.30 02:27:00 -
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Originally by: Vince Draken
Originally by: Allen Deckard
Getting sick of the whiney posts about t2
for gods sake quit ***** about it dont use it. Pretty frickin simple you have alternatives use them. Simple solutions guys.
It's called "rare" they are the best in game t2 is the best you can get in the game why exactly would you thing that the best things you can get in the game should come at the same price or close to as the crappiest?
If you got the isk use t2 be happy about using it feel good that you got something on your ship (or the ship itself) is the best you can get. If you don't got the isk well dont use it. If you got the isk but dont want to spend it on overpriced t2 dont.
Cant remember myself going into red lobster *****in cause they are priced higher than burger king then *****in to the government that they need to regulate red lobster cause they shouldn't be able to charge as much.
Like to add that 90% of the t2 products out there make a very very slim profit margin. Have maybe 900 125 gattling autocannons in my hanger to prove it and havent owned the bpo for 5 months.
You may be sick of whinign T2 threads, well I am more sick of reactionariy time-of-the-month posts like yours.
First off, your annalogy about red lobster would be IF red lobster had a monopoly on all seafood and charged you $300 for a plate of shrimp. Furthermore, they obtained their monoply by getting their name drawn out of a hat and we're granted an unending monopoly. Now, in the real world, you could bypass them by going to the fishermen and offering more. In eve you cannot. The barrior to entry is impossible in Eve because CCP decides to reward players for getting lucky two years ago at the expense of the whole populace.
I guess the simple thing you complelty failed to see is that when these bpo's came out, there were less than half the plyers. Logic dictates more bpo's need to be added to keep up with the population.
It's a rare item period supposed to be rare and is fullfilling it's role as a rare item by being rare.
And yes the analogy about red lobster is perfectly valid.
There ARE alternatives to hacs to cap recharger II's if you use the tech 2 and pay the price it's your choice. CHOICE your not made to.
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First off, your annalogy about red lobster would be IF red lobster had a monopoly on all seafood and charged you $300 for a plate of shrimp.
nobody has a monopoly on cruisers. Now if you don't like my analogy lets call it a hummer hummer does indeed have a monolopy on making hummers they don't have a monolopy on 4x4 and you can buy a jeep. a hummer will cost you 30x more than a jeep but some will pay for it. Some will ***** about the price as well but they have a choice. You also have a choice to not buy t2.
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