If you know he's got a counter to your fit and you will lose, it would be stupid to stay and fight. Handing out free kills isn't brave, it's stupid.

But AF vs AF, you really should've taken that fight.

Well more or less..

Hi guys,

So lemme begin by telling a story, earlier today i was in my hawk doin a medium plex when a pirate merlin showed up,naturally i figured i can take him,and i did.. next thing i know same pilot returned but this time with a vengeance ( the ship but i agree name fits for the task :). ) so knowing that from preveous engagements hawk vs vengeance from my past experiance,i would lose the fight.. so i figured why lose a ship for nothing... So i ran away.
Now , after i ran that said pilot ofc started ranting in local and i stood and smiled and colected few tears before i left system.. but what bothered me is the fact he said i was a coward(he used alot of words to imply that) so my question to u guys is ,was i really a coward?or did i just do a smart move and avoided a loss by thinking?

What would the l33t pvp'er have done?

Ok..


1. I did not gank the merlin,the merlun ganked me so i retaliated.

2. He came back in a vengeance,a ship that has best rezist in explosiv and kinetic + 4% bonus rezist pet AF lvl.

3. I.ve fought several vengeances in my hawk before,i.ve lost all.


So , i decided to run and not lose another ship,how is that deserving to be called a coward?

Stop being bad?

You've got more range than a Vengeance and with a dual MASB your burst tank is something in the realm of 400DPS depending on your fit. You're welcome to run away from any fight you want, just as everyone is welcome to make fun of you for only engaging opponents in lower tier ships.

Welcome to eve

are u sure i had 2 masb? Maybe i had just 1 masb due to a different fit and different tactic? Either way,trust me he was gonna win... And either way it does not make
me bad

Hello, I rarely post on the forums but a friend told me about this post and he instinctively knew it was one of us and yes it was. So here I am with the TRUTH. Starbuck is a liar and a risk averse **** and will never enjoy the game fully.

For me winning a fight 5 to 1 and getting out with 90% heat and structure damge is what eve about. Taking risks getting the shakes. As you get more experience more risk and more challenges are the only thing that keep the shakes and the buzz.

Cowards die a thousand times befor they reach the grave.

Here is the entertaining chat log of local during this incident
http://pastebin.com/k5uhmafz

Here is the combat logs to prove what I say is also truth, its large and unaltered me dicking in ammake as well
http://pastebin.com/KSSpxj0r

Narrative of the actual events free of bullshit.

I engage an af in a t1 frig and die, I fight outgunned like this often its fun.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19230275

I came back in an af I mean who does not take af to af 1v1s, the coward ran. Two brave pvpers with space honor came in a little out gunned but it was a close and good fight they used skill and correct ammo. I had to use heat was close hard to fight under 2 webs scram kitedGǪ.tuskers and black legion respect.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19230961
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19231623

I congratulated them on there efforts in local saying there had done well. Banter was exchanged. Starbuck and his coward friend chose this moment to strike at me as I looted.

He and his friends knew I was already damaged. Kestrel, slasher, thorax and the coward in his hawk came inn to attack followed by a thorax. I could of course run but cowards donGÇÖt run.

I pulled away from the warp in webbing the rax but I was neuted low and could not hold point as starbuck went into structure and got out ,If he had stayed I would of died as I had no cap but he chose to flee and left his 2 other friends to dieGǪ.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19231621
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19231621

with chose the rax left against my af he thought his medium neuth and webs would not be enough to see me and rean as well! They could of killed me twice in that fight but nay they ran.

Hello, I rarely post on the forums but a friend told me about this post and he instinctively knew it was one of us and yes it was. So here I am with the TRUTH. Starbuck is a liar and a risk averse **** and will never enjoy the game fully.

For me winning a fight 5 to 1 and getting out with 90% heat and structure damge is what eve about. Taking risks getting the shakes. As you get more experience more risk and more challenges are the only thing that keep the shakes and the buzz.

Cowards die a thousand times befor they reach the grave.

Here is the entertaining chat log of local during this incident
http://pastebin.com/k5uhmafz

Here is the combat logs to prove what I say is also truth, its large and unaltered me dicking in ammake as well
http://pastebin.com/KSSpxj0r

Narrative of the actual events free of bullshit.

I engage an af in a t1 frig and die, I fight outgunned like this often its fun.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19230275

I came back in an af I mean who does not take af to af 1v1s, the coward ran. Two brave pvpers with space honor came in a little out gunned but it was a close and good fight they used skill and correct ammo. I had to use heat was close hard to fight under 2 webs scram kitedGǪ.tuskers and black legion respect.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19230961
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19231623

I congratulated them on there efforts in local saying there had done well. Banter was exchanged. Starbuck and his coward friend chose this moment to strike at me as I looted.

He and his friends knew I was already damaged. Kestrel, slasher, thorax and the coward in his hawk came inn to attack I could of course run but cowards donGÇÖt run.

I pulled away from the warp in webbing the rax but I was neuted low and could not hold point as starbuck went into structure and got out ,If he had stayed I would of died as I had no cap but he chose to flee and left his 2 other friends to dieGǪ.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19231621
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19231621

the rax left he did not fancy his chances against my af, he thought his medium neut and webs would not be enough to see me dead and ran as well! They could of killed me twice in that fight but nay they ran.

This is a game Afterall and i really don.t care what people say , call me a coward , call me a liar , its all 0 . But hey if thats what gets your kicks in the game then have fun,u certanly proved u are pro at droping tears.

The op seems to be the only one QQ here you tried to gank him with your friends and got owned? why not include that at the start its kinda reverant when talking about your cowardice

I did not include it because ,like i said before, i was working solo and the other pilots where not my friends. Also i have no reason to qq

For me .................

Well more or less..

Hi guys,

So lemme begin by telling a story, earlier today i was in my hawk doin a medium plex when a pirate merlin showed up,naturally i figured i can take him,and i did.. next thing i know same pilot returned but this time with a vengeance ( the ship but i agree name fits for the task :). ) so knowing that from preveous engagements hawk vs vengeance from my past experiance,i would lose the fight.. so i figured why lose a ship for nothing... So i ran away.
Now , after i ran that said pilot ofc started ranting in local and i stood and smiled and colected few tears before i left system.. but what bothered me is the fact he said i was a coward(he used alot of words to imply that) so my question to u guys is ,was i really a coward?or did i just do a smart move and avoided a loss by thinking?

What would the l33t pvp'er have done?

What would the l33t pvp'er have done?

Why should you take a fight, where you cannot dictate the conditions? That would be stupid.

Fun?

We certainly don't play Eve to have fun.....

You are right if you follow what "The Art of War" says.
You are possibly wrong if you follow a knight's rules.

Now hold on a minute. Sun Tzu never said anything about wimping out from an even fight.

Well more or less..

Hi guys,

So lemme begin by telling a story, earlier today i was in my hawk doin a medium plex when a pirate merlin showed up,naturally i figured i can take him,and i did.. next thing i know same pilot returned but this time with a vengeance ( the ship but i agree name fits for the task :). ) so knowing that from preveous engagements hawk vs vengeance from my past experiance,i would lose the fight.. so i figured why lose a ship for nothing... So i ran away.
Now , after i ran that said pilot ofc started ranting in local and i stood and smiled and colected few tears before i left system.. but what bothered me is the fact he said i was a coward(he used alot of words to imply that) so my question to u guys is ,was i really a coward?or did i just do a smart move and avoided a loss by thinking?

What would the l33t pvp'er have done?

I think Sun Tzu said something about water flowing somewhere, having alts in adjacent systems for precise intel, and having cloaked loki boosted alts ready to go so that you know yourself better than the enemy knows you.

Well more or less..

Hi guys,

So lemme begin by telling a story, earlier today i was in my hawk doin a medium plex when a pirate merlin showed up,naturally i figured i can take him,and i did.. next thing i know same pilot returned but this time with a vengeance ( the ship but i agree name fits for the task :). ) so knowing that from preveous engagements hawk vs vengeance from my past experiance,i would lose the fight.. so i figured why lose a ship for nothing... So i ran away.
Now , after i ran that said pilot ofc started ranting in local and i stood and smiled and colected few tears before i left system.. but what bothered me is the fact he said i was a coward(he used alot of words to imply that) so my question to u guys is ,was i really a coward?or did i just do a smart move and avoided a loss by thinking?

What would the l33t pvp'er have done?

What would the l33t pvp'er have done?

Really glad that you have high regards for e-honor Fateamendabletochange, and so easily call someone else "f@ggot" and "your mom is a ***** (paraphrasing)". Really honorable.

If someone chooses not to fight you, especially when his goal is plexing, and the fact that you already fought him before, having an unfair intel advantage, doesn't mean you were the better pvper.

If I kill someone then I see him again in another ship, unless it is something I recognize immediately, my first instinct will always be to disengage, it is just logical. He has the advantage of knowing exactly what to bring to beat me (otherwise he is an idiot), and he will be a better mental and strategic position, as he already thought this fight through and knows exactly what he needs to be doing.

Now don't get me wrong in EVE if someone chooses to not fight you have a right to call them out and maybe have a little fun with them, but that certainly doesn't make them a "f@ggot". It is important how you also make fun of him, because there is a very fine line between old fashioned sarcasm, and giving a bucket full of tears (which you did).

And I love it when frigate fliers think they are risk takers, don't get me wrong it is fun and requires a lot of skills, but you aren't risking much, so take it down a notch with the risk taking. Flying atrons and merlins is not risk taking, hunting in machariels on the other hand.....

Taken the fair fight?