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Abandoned Child
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Posted - 2003.08.19 01:56:00 -
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Edited by: Abandoned Child on 19/08/2003 01:59:53
2 blackbirds completely shut down my dominix and blew it to shreds. Granted, it was in NPC fighting mode, but I thought I'd put up a better fight than that...
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Be safe when you venture out there...
Of course, no risk, no reward.
Any ideas on fighting npcs and staying safe from EW?
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Dr Logue
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Posted - 2003.08.19 01:58:00 -
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You died to NPC Blackbirds or PC Blackbirds? Caldari Blackbirds should never be underestimated imo
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Lola
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Posted - 2003.08.19 02:00:00 -
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I'm sure he's talking about players.
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Chucky
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Posted - 2003.08.19 02:02:00 -
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It's possible, more likely he CTD'd. What equiptment did you gimp off him any way?
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Ana Khouri
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Posted - 2003.08.19 02:10:00 -
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I think he means he was equipped to fight NPs and 2 PC BB killed him.
What can one do? Nothing, actually. One lone BB can be dealt with if you have some sensor boosters and eccm equipment, but you cannot really defend yourself against 2 on your own.
Best way to defend yourself is to be in a system where 2+ other people are hunting as well, a quick personel chat should get them to you before the BB can kill your ship.
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Zorael
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Posted - 2003.08.19 02:13:00 -
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2 blackbirds completely shut down my dominix and blew it to shreds. Granted, it was in NPC fighting mode, but I thought I'd put up a better fight than that...
You can try to :
- Fit a lot of sensor boosters and ECCM, if you want to be able to fight them back
- Fit a lot of warp core stabilizers and MWDs, if you want to be able to evade them
And watch local chat like a hawk of course :)
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Ana Khouri
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Posted - 2003.08.19 02:15:00 -
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Will help him against one BB, but to counter two he has to use all his med and low slots.
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Zorael
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Posted - 2003.08.19 02:30:00 -
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True Ana, if the BB wing is specifically setup to kill lone ships, you can't do anything except flee.
TBH if you want to avoid getting killed like this, I recommend you zoom out to at least 50% away from your ship when you are in insecure areas. This way, you can spot incoming hostiles before they are all over you...
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Lack of planning on your part doesn't constitute an emergency on my part |
Karif
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Posted - 2003.08.19 03:07:00 -
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Edited by: Karif on 19/08/2003 03:08:03
Yes, 2 well-kitted Blackbirds should do just that to an unsuspecting battleship.
ECM/ECCM needs tweaking yes, but nothing that would really change the outcome of being jumped by 2 Blackbirds kitted for PvP/ECM in a Dominix kitted for PvE with no ECCM/Countermeasures.
EDIT - That doesn't involve friends, that is. Friends are a good thing in 0.0 space 
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Bobby Wilson
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Posted - 2003.08.19 03:39:00 -
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Edited by: Bobby Wilson on 19/08/2003 03:42:05
Drones, people! Don't even have a BS at this point unless you have Drones 5, Drone interfacing 3 at least and Heavy Drones 3 at least.
One of our Directors got out of a sticky situation in a BB vs. Thorax situation with 8 Heavy Drones. He was webbed, warp- and target- scrambled entirely, but drones have independent targetting and they do NOT like it when someone is shooting their master. He never got a turret round out of his Thorax after the initial salvo, but the 8 Heavies turned that BB into a wreck that had to run away trailing smoke.
He used 4 Praetors (EM Damage) and 4 Wasps (Kinetic Damage) (naturally the Haphazard Bazaar sells both of these fine products, you may contact our great Lord Hazara Khan in game to purchase some) 
Originally by: Selim
Cool, congrats.
Oh, stupid idea by the way.
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Setec
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Posted - 2003.08.19 03:52:00 -
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I can do it with just one blackbird. :)
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.08.19 03:55:00 -
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I can do it with just one blackbird. :)
You don't count, Setec. Your part crow 
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
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Lhyda Souljacker
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Posted - 2003.08.19 04:25:00 -
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Yep, if you are flying a Gallente ships and don't have full load of drones you are cheating yourself out of a whole lot of damage. Of course they could pop all your drones before they go after you, but it should buy you some time. |
Intruders
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Posted - 2003.08.19 04:35:00 -
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He could have avoided this using common sense, what was a blackbird doing in a 0.0 cruising alongside a bship?
Shoot first, ask questions later. Your safety comes always first.
This way not even 10 BB could have done it.
Every man lives..but not every man dies!
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Ana Khouri
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Posted - 2003.08.19 07:04:00 -
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Edited by: Ana Khouri on 19/08/2003 07:04:48
Not really.
A BB has a faster targeting speed and ECM/Sensor damps him before he can target it - the dominix cannot fire even one shot.
Think before you are writing the next time.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.08.19 07:11:00 -
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Fear the blackbird!
No battleship can get away from 2 blackbirds unless he has a few warp core stabilizers!
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Abandoned Child
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Posted - 2003.08.19 07:13:00 -
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Edited by: Abandoned Child on 19/08/2003 07:21:34
Some things:
1) I wasn't out fighting NPC's when I got ambushed. It was deep in JK-FIX and surrounding regions, and I was travelling back to Khanid/Gehi. They ambushed me at the gate, 30km out. Webbed and jammed.
2) My drones did buy me some time, but they were pretty banged up already due to my lazy drone usage (I send them out not caring if they get hurt, since they're so cheap).
3) I've faced one blackbird before, and it's a cinch. With hardeners, they'll run out of cap, get bored, or run out of ammo long before my shield runs out on my dominix. I use the 70% hardeners, and I use them well.
4) I guess the whole reason I brought this up was because I was surprised it took just two :) I am going to buy a few blackbirds to augment my already replaced domi. They're sweet.
5) EW is cool.
6) As I said, no risk, no reward. I've been making plenty of money out in JK-FIX, and you know, it's going to come to bite you in the ass some time. It was the most fun I've had in a while though.
7) I bow my hat to player killers. You guys have some skill. Killing stupid npcs can only take you so far. The guys who killed me were patient, friendly, and deadly all at the same time. They didn't even pod me at first, til I asked them to, to save me the 45 jumper back home :) |
Dragon Emperor
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Posted - 2003.08.19 07:30:00 -
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in current status, caldari ship = win. that absolutely need tweaking.
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2003.08.19 09:43:00 -
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in current status, caldari ship = win. that absolutely need tweaking.
If not for EW, Caldari ships are easily the weakest.
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Wolf Leader
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Posted - 2003.08.19 09:49:00 -
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MMM Blackbird..... I love the smell of fried bship in the morning... O.o a guy who took the loss of his bship without incident. I tip my hat to you good sir.
But im a nice guy..... |
Keo Morigan
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Posted - 2003.08.19 10:07:00 -
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I have to make a bow too, that's good playing spirit when you take your BS loss like that. Read and learn, that's what the rest of EVE playerbase should do! :)
If your not a part of the solution, then you'r probably a part of the problem. |
Keo Morigan
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Posted - 2003.08.19 10:07:00 -
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I have to make a bow too, that's good playing spirit when you take your BS loss like that. Read and learn, that's what the rest of EVE playerbase should do! :)
If your not a part of the solution, then you'r probably a part of the problem. |
Dianabolic
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Posted - 2003.08.19 10:13:00 -
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Indeed, some good gaming spirit.
Incidentally, who said caldari ships = win? I beg to differ, they may not LOSE very much - especially 1 on 1, and they can be very much the difference in fleet battles - but they certainly do not "win" all the time. 
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2003.08.19 10:37:00 -
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Fear the blackbird!
No battleship can get away from 2 blackbirds unless he has a few warp core stabilizers!
I feel you haven't considered the scorp in this statement.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.08.19 10:49:00 -
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Indeed, some good gaming spirit.
Incidentally, who said caldari ships = win? I beg to differ, they may not LOSE very much - especially 1 on 1, and they can be very much the difference in fleet battles - but they certainly do not "win" all the time.
No cruiser can beat an EW equipped Blackbird 1on1.
No battleship can beat an EW equipped Scorpion 1on1.
Gimme a scorp and i'll prove it :-P
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.08.19 10:50:00 -
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Quote:
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Fear the blackbird!
No battleship can get away from 2 blackbirds unless he has a few warp core stabilizers!
I feel you haven't considered the scorp in this statement.
Nay, good equip = win. scorpions are no exemption!
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Rancid Mare
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Posted - 2003.08.19 11:05:00 -
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"Nay, good equip = win. scorpions are no exemption!"
very true.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.08.19 11:12:00 -
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"No battleship can beat an EW equipped Scorpion 1on1.
Gimme a scorp and i'll prove it :-P"
Bah
Ouria> /heal Viceroy 0.0
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Khal St
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Posted - 2003.08.19 11:35:00 -
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Do i hear the average market price for Blackbirds just go through the roof....
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2003.08.19 11:39:00 -
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hhhm blackbirds, i just got a new baby
dying to give it a run around the block
This is not a hijack
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Yurito
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Posted - 2003.08.19 11:39:00 -
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in current status, caldari ship = win. that absolutely need tweaking.
not really... i took out a MOA in a Maller.
here's a really funny thing, my friend took out a MOA in a Rifter!!! just used a lot of missiles... now that was weird!
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Vidtorin
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Posted - 2003.08.19 11:41:00 -
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A scorpion is for sure the most flexible bs in the game but it all depends on what kind of ship u meet in combat. U cant be equipped for all types of combat engagement sometimes u are right equipped sometimes u arent. There is no uber equipmet fitting all types of combat there is only equipment for the right combat situation. And scorpion has a very low powercore number and can soforth not equip that many turrets.
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darth solo
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Posted - 2003.08.19 12:02:00 -
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The blackbird at 2mill a pop is a good choice for would be pirates.
The one thing people fear is not being able to fight back, and with all your jamming the bb is great for that.
I know cap is a problem with these ships, but what about this setup for medium slots=
1 warp scrambler
1 staus web
3 ecm target destabilisers (multi or other)
And heres the strange 1, dont fit a a/b, like every1 else seems to, what about a "medium capacitor", my cap lasts for ages with this unit, i need it alot more than i need a a/b.
I have a 13% cpu booster in the low to run this extra item.
Whats the downside of not having a a/b??.
I still like rails for my main guns and 2 launchers with cruise.
A match for any ship:) except the scorp.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.08.19 12:41:00 -
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Edited by: drunkenmaster on 19/08/2003 12:41:43
Blackbirds are fantastic ships. Worth every penny.
They are far from invincible (I lost my last one in a straight 1v1 against a thorax, although it was pretty close.) but they are great team players, and cheap to replace.
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Stavros
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Posted - 2003.08.19 12:55:00 -
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sucessful corps use scorps instead of blackbirds - like us :)
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aPoQ
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Posted - 2003.08.19 13:15:00 -
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At least you had fun.....
btw - you mention hardeners.......wtf are they?
Y is everyone ranting about BB's.....I don't think it matters what rig you are flying, if you have solid tactics and know what you are doing then you are half way there......
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.08.19 13:17:00 -
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No, it doesnt matter what rig you're flying when you're target jammed :)
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Bristoll
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Posted - 2003.08.19 14:11:00 -
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As a Caldari, I don't take BB's lightly. They are cheap, disposable, and very effective EW platforms if properly outfitted/flown. IMO, there's only one ship that I like any better... The Scorpion.
Again, tho, they are not going to win in a head on slugfest with superior firepower, they need to be outfitted correctly and flown with some degree of intelligence.
Every ship has it's place in the world of eve (except maybe the raven...), it's simply a question of getting the right tool for the job.
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2003.08.19 19:58:00 -
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OMFG MEH TACHYONS AND MEGABEAMS LAZARS WITH EIGHT HEATSINKS DID NOT WIN TEH DAY VS A SCORPION. PLZ NERF TEH SCORPION, IS IS TEH UBER!!
Scorpions can be defeated, they are the best 1v1 ship when outfitted correctly but they still have little firepower compared to other races ships. Their shields are very strong but their armor/structure seriously sucks. Not to mention a crappy powergrid to boot.
Is Scorpion the best PvP ship? Yeah probably, but it's not imbalanced. Certainly tier2 battleships in some instances are outshined by their tier1 counterparts due to better slot assignment at the cost of armor/hull/shields.
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2003.08.19 23:54:00 -
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Every ship can be beaten. The bb is no exception. If I know what a bb's loadout is, I can put the proper loadout on a Moa to beat it.
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