I'll just leave this here.

GM response on bumping.

that response is due to limitations on the game, their resolution is, since the game has no way to deal with it currently, to allow it.

its is pointless to link it, because it in no way closes the discussion.

try again.

criminal offense? no. suspect flag? definitely.

the game already has built in the tools to make it possible, if they weren't there there would be bumping at all... if one entity collides with another, momentum is transferred. all they need to add is a simple rule set. say, if the entities are not in same fleet, corp, alliance, then after 5 bumps its a warning, then at the 7th bump its a 15 minute flag.

as it is now you can bump a freighter out of alignment for an entire day if you have the time. which is clearly not ok. and i'm sure it ends up being additional petition volume costumer service has to deal with.

its simple risk - reward. the bumper is having fun, but there's no risk. ergo, something needs fixing.

What risk does a miner face that a bumper doesn't?

Reason: bumping heavily abused mainly to devoid ship targeted for suicide ganking of warping ability through interfering with its allining while its being pushed away from gate to ease the looting process afterwards. Its also being used by well known group of extorters to disrupt mining activities by bumbping miners out of mining laser's range from asteroids.
Proposal: after serveral bumping incidents repeatedly happened in a short intervail of time, concord should warp to the perpetrator and issue him a warning to stop his activity immideately, otherwise he will get criminal flag and will be fired upon. Probably will be better if after warning they would use a stasis webifer on him, to make him unable to move for some time, to exclude accidental loss of ship in case some glitch happened and player indeed didn't mean no harm; if after receiving a warning and being stasised for 5-10 second he continues with his attempts, it's enough of a reason to apply deadly force.

Why has discussion came down to miners suddenly? Bumpers are more of a threat in suicide ganking scheme. Here they face almost no risks while basically asist criminals and in many cases its them who make this crime even possible. Still, they won't get neither killrights on itself nor criminal flag. Such bumping has a very distingiushable pattern. It lasts for such a long time its highly unlikly that can be done unintentionally.

Why has discussion came down to miners suddenly? Bumpers are more of a threat in suicide ganking scheme. Here they face almost no risks while basically asist criminals and in many cases its them who make this crime even possible. Still, they won't get neither killrights on itself nor criminal flag. Such bumping has a very distingiushable pattern. It lasts for such a long time its highly unlikly that can be done unintentionally.

An important thing to remember....anything you get, I also get. Keep that in mind, when advocating for these changes.

It'd sure make ganking cheaper for one. Two noob ships. Noob ship A bumps the miner into noob ship B. Concord responds. Blaps Ship A for bumping the miner, then blaps the miner for bumping ship B.


Us gankers have come up with an awesome solution to bumping. Give miners a siege module, that locks them in place. Locked to one spot for a 15 minute cycle time. Can't move, or be moved an inch. I'm positive there's no way that could be used for nefarious purposes, and it's exactly what miners want.




That was sarcasm, if you didn't catch it.

Just as well that it's sarcasm, because siege mode doesn't work that way anyway. You can very definitely still be moved.

How exactly will Eve determine which ship bumped the other ?

Because people will attempt to exploit whatever algorithm CCP uses.

What happens when someone tries to play docking games at Jita 4-4 ?
Won't they keep hitting ships every time they undock ?