Basically the proposal is, ships may not enter FW sites with Warp Core Stabilizers equipped, and as for Large sites, prevent warp to location when Warp Core Stabilizers are fit.

Venture <3.

Venture <3.

@OP: Faction scram + disruptor will fix your problem.

Ty for pointing it out, post edited.

Yeah cause im totally going to fit a 3 point scram worth like 180+ mil on a 10mil or so frigate

Fit dual scrams, whats the problem? By fitting WCS your potential target cripples combat ability of their ship anyway so adapt and fit your ship accordingly to capture those pilots. Why do you want to remove part of meta-game by introducing changes in ingame mechanics?

Fit dual scrams, whats the problem? By fitting WCS your potential target cripples combat ability of their ship anyway so adapt and fit your ship accordingly to capture those pilots. Why do you want to remove part of meta-game by introducing changes in ingame mechanics?

Yes cause im going to fly with twin scrams gimping my combat capability just to kill some p u s s y stabbed ships and not be able to fight pvpers, the p u s s i e s with stabs need to adapt and learn to fight and not sit on their ass doing basically nothing making **** load of isk / lp?

And what the guy above me said

Yeah but if your out fighting you never know if your target will be stabbed or not...so if you jump in on someone not stabbed and your double scrammed you cripple your own combat ability.

Yes cause im going to fly with twin scrams gimping my combat capability just to kill some p u s s y stabbed ships and not be able to fight pvpers, the p u s s i e s with stabs need to adapt and learn to fight and not sit on their ass doing basically nothing making **** load of isk / lp?

And what the guy above me said

Thats what meta-game is all about. If certain pilot is known to use(usually) WCS it is almost safe to specifically fit your "10mil ship" just to make that pilot cry.
What you want is not to fix a problem, but to get free kills in your cookie-cutter fits.

Fly safe o/.

Since CCP won't change the PVE asspect of FW they need to do something for PVPers.

They need to either Lower the amount of LP you get from Plexes or get rid of the LP completely from the site and give LP(more than what they give you now) for killing FW and Hostile Ships while in Sites.

Even Though i'm not a FW player it would get me more PvP fights and if the FW pilot i attack in the site ends up beating me they'll get a nice lump of LP for guarding the site.

Why dont you try to do something for yourself? Like try fitting dual scrams.


I already see several ways to abuse this should CCP change FW LP gain to PvP only.

its already being Abused by Farmers just in it for the isk i bet there are even bots collecting LP just like the mining/ratting bots...

This was brought up at a Fanfest 2013 roundtable if I recall correctly.

The DEVs explained they were hesitant to outright ban certain modules simply because people didn't like them or it didn't fit into how they thought people should "play." Rather, if they perceive that there is a problem they prefer that "organic" solutions be developed to discourage the use of certain tactics/modules, but would never prevent anyone from using them altogether.

what he says is true, its abused, i made a skill less alt to see how much i could potentialy make in 2hrs, i made about 90 - 100mil for memory, i stopped doing it because it was boring as fuk flying stabbed, if CCP removed the ability to use warp core stabs in fw sites, i would sign this character into fw to pvp and earn isk at the same time, you should not be allowed to earn isk by doing nothing, and by nothing i mean orbiting a node and warping off if someone comes for you.

FW is supposed to be a pvp environment, not a fuking carebears isk v a g i n a

They should be nerfed to the point to be a viable option only for travel fit and nothing else. Dunno how to do this, but also offlining any weapon system when you fit a WCS is an option.

Why dont you try to do something for yourself? Like try fitting dual scrams.


I already see several ways to abuse this should CCP change FW LP gain to PvP only.

Dual scrams are stupid, if you are fitting two scrams to a solo pvp boat you deserve to get blown up.

Anyhow, despite warpcore stabs being really annoying when hunting theres plenty other targets out there that don't fit them so honestly this is a moot point.

Fit dual scrams, whats the problem? By fitting WCS your potential target cripples combat ability of their ship anyway so adapt and fit your ship accordingly to capture those pilots. Why do you want to remove part of meta-game by introducing changes in ingame mechanics?

First of all i believe FW is supposed to be what it is, a way to make ISK / LP though PvP, but a fair majority of FW pilots don't PvP in the sites they wish to capture they fit Warp Core Stabilizers and warp out as soon as someone is on grid or they get tackled. This is counter productive to what FW is supposed to be. I had a small chat with a random in local, who had a very good idea to prevent the use of Warp Core Stabilizers in FW, here is the following convo:

[06:14:47] Grunnax Aurelius > WTB FW Pilots with t e s t i c l e s
[06:15:05] Yash Anub > they should just make it that you can't enter a site with stabs on your ship
[06:15:13] Grunnax Aurelius > ^^^^
[06:15:47] Yash Anub > it'll make them want to fight for their LP...:P
[06:17:02] Grunnax Aurelius > yep
[06:17:25] Yash Anub > or at least make them pay attetion to their D-scan more lol

Basically the proposal is, ships may not enter FW sites with Warp Core Stabilizers equipped, and as for Large sites, prevent warp to location when Warp Core Stabilizers are fit.

EDIT: Also prevent ships that have passive warp core strength.

ok for you guys saying that warp core stabs doesn't ruin FW play take a good long read of this:

http://themittani.com/news/halted-rollercoaster-about-rumble-life

I think this sums it all up.

I've got a different idea.

I've got a different idea.

Make FW sites have a warp inhibitor effect meaning that once you're in there, you can't warp out (in a ship)until the site is completed.

That's how I'd solve the problem, make it so it's a commitment like a cyno. There's no "oh I didn't mean to, can I get a do over" with cynos short of shooting the ship that created it.

It'd make it more thunderdomey too :)

I'd also change the way that LP is given out\how long they take when multiple people are in there.

1 person in a site they get 100% of the LP and it takes 100% of the time.
2 people in there it takes x% of the LP and it takes x% of the time.

More people in there, less time it takes but overall they get less LP. Geer that towards an optimal LPph being something like 3/4 people on the small ones and you're encouraging flying together too.

No.

On top of making attacking your enemy while they do sites futile it's an inelegant and annoying thing to deal with.

Love the idea, but make the warp inhibitant only reach 100km of the node, so that those who are not FW are not trapped forever, so anyone who is there that wants to warp out has to burn 100km away from the node, it will encourage people to fit combat ships and fight for their LP, and not be lazy fuks who just farm it by sitting around on their ass. I believe you have to work to earn, regardless of what the work is, you should not be able to sit around and farm high amounts of isk by doing next to nothing.

No.

On top of making attacking your enemy while they do sites futile it's an inelegant and annoying thing to deal with.

WCS suck but deal with it. The snowflakes in FW need to learn to deal with it the way the rest of have learned. At least you didn't suggest 'pirates can't enter plexes' for an idea...

Because im a pirate maybe?

The problem with this thread is that it assumed that the majority of FW people are more interesting in fighting than making cheap, easy ISK. Did you forget which game you're playing?

The problem with this thread is that it assumed that the majority of FW people are more interesting in fighting than making cheap, easy ISK.

Did you forget which game you're playing?

I'd agree completely that cloaking and both warp core stabs shouldn't be allowed or severely diminished in faction warfare.. You can literally started a toon and in one day make over a billion isk just by fitting stabs and running plexes and all you need to do is orbit buttons an get out when people come in. This needs to be fixed, faction warfare is just that, warfare it isn't meant for care bears it is meant for player vs player combat.

My solution would either be make it so everything but covert ops cloaks don't work in sites. (Would eliminate a lot of the cloaky hiders). The second part of that would be making equipping stabs not allow you into sites.

A second solution would be changing warp core stabs making it so they increase the time it takes for your ship to warp. For example each stab increases the time it takes you to go into warp by 2 seconds. That way if you have a ship equipped with 4 stabs it means they will have to wait 8 seconds to go into warp which with a lot of those ships would give plenty of time to kill them since many of them do not fit tanks.

Last time I checked EvE is not supposed to be easy when it comes to isk, hence forth ships with WCS should not be able to enter FW sites, and same for ships with a passive WC strength.

As a pirate I went through facwar today looking for some small ship action. Every site I came to either the person ran or had stabs. I approve this message.

Guys like you don't really "get it" do you.

Complexes aren't exactly about doing pvp.

Ty for pointing it out, post edited.

Yeah cause im totally going to fit a 3 point scram worth like 180+ mil on a 10mil or so frigate

Funny, since that's exactly what CCP purports that they are for.

Did you guys ever heard of Dual Scrams?

Complaining you need a niche fit (or two people) to counter a niche fit that, at worst annoys you seems like a pointless complaint.

First of all i believe FW is supposed to be what it is, a way to make ISK / LP though PvP, but a fair majority of FW pilots don't PvP in the sites they wish to capture they fit Warp Core Stabilizers and warp out as soon as someone is on grid or they get tackled. This is counter productive to what FW is supposed to be. I had a small chat with a random in local, who had a very good idea to prevent the use of Warp Core Stabilizers in FW, here is the following convo:

[06:14:47] Grunnax Aurelius > WTB FW Pilots with t e s t i c l e s
[06:15:05] Yash Anub > they should just make it that you can't enter a site with stabs on your ship
[06:15:13] Grunnax Aurelius > ^^^^
[06:15:47] Yash Anub > it'll make them want to fight for their LP...:P
[06:17:02] Grunnax Aurelius > yep
[06:17:25] Yash Anub > or at least make them pay attetion to their D-scan more lol

Basically the proposal is, ships may not enter FW sites with Warp Core Stabilizers equipped, and as for Large sites, prevent warp to location when Warp Core Stabilizers are fit.

EDIT: Also prevent ships that have passive warp core strength.