Basically the proposal is, ships may not enter FW sites with Warp Core Stabilizers equipped, and as for Large sites, prevent warp to location when Warp Core Stabilizers are fit.

Venture <3.

Venture <3.

@OP: Faction scram + disruptor will fix your problem.

Ty for pointing it out, post edited.

Yeah cause im totally going to fit a 3 point scram worth like 180+ mil on a 10mil or so frigate

Fit dual scrams, whats the problem? By fitting WCS your potential target cripples combat ability of their ship anyway so adapt and fit your ship accordingly to capture those pilots. Why do you want to remove part of meta-game by introducing changes in ingame mechanics?

Fit dual scrams, whats the problem? By fitting WCS your potential target cripples combat ability of their ship anyway so adapt and fit your ship accordingly to capture those pilots. Why do you want to remove part of meta-game by introducing changes in ingame mechanics?

Yes cause im going to fly with twin scrams gimping my combat capability just to kill some p u s s y stabbed ships and not be able to fight pvpers, the p u s s i e s with stabs need to adapt and learn to fight and not sit on their ass doing basically nothing making **** load of isk / lp?

And what the guy above me said

Yeah but if your out fighting you never know if your target will be stabbed or not...so if you jump in on someone not stabbed and your double scrammed you cripple your own combat ability.

Yes cause im going to fly with twin scrams gimping my combat capability just to kill some p u s s y stabbed ships and not be able to fight pvpers, the p u s s i e s with stabs need to adapt and learn to fight and not sit on their ass doing basically nothing making **** load of isk / lp?

And what the guy above me said

Thats what meta-game is all about. If certain pilot is known to use(usually) WCS it is almost safe to specifically fit your "10mil ship" just to make that pilot cry.
What you want is not to fix a problem, but to get free kills in your cookie-cutter fits.

Fly safe o/.

Since CCP won't change the PVE asspect of FW they need to do something for PVPers.

They need to either Lower the amount of LP you get from Plexes or get rid of the LP completely from the site and give LP(more than what they give you now) for killing FW and Hostile Ships while in Sites.

Even Though i'm not a FW player it would get me more PvP fights and if the FW pilot i attack in the site ends up beating me they'll get a nice lump of LP for guarding the site.

Why dont you try to do something for yourself? Like try fitting dual scrams.


I already see several ways to abuse this should CCP change FW LP gain to PvP only.

its already being Abused by Farmers just in it for the isk i bet there are even bots collecting LP just like the mining/ratting bots...

This was brought up at a Fanfest 2013 roundtable if I recall correctly.

The DEVs explained they were hesitant to outright ban certain modules simply because people didn't like them or it didn't fit into how they thought people should "play." Rather, if they perceive that there is a problem they prefer that "organic" solutions be developed to discourage the use of certain tactics/modules, but would never prevent anyone from using them altogether.

what he says is true, its abused, i made a skill less alt to see how much i could potentialy make in 2hrs, i made about 90 - 100mil for memory, i stopped doing it because it was boring as fuk flying stabbed, if CCP removed the ability to use warp core stabs in fw sites, i would sign this character into fw to pvp and earn isk at the same time, you should not be allowed to earn isk by doing nothing, and by nothing i mean orbiting a node and warping off if someone comes for you.

FW is supposed to be a pvp environment, not a fuking carebears isk v a g i n a

They should be nerfed to the point to be a viable option only for travel fit and nothing else. Dunno how to do this, but also offlining any weapon system when you fit a WCS is an option.

Why dont you try to do something for yourself? Like try fitting dual scrams.


I already see several ways to abuse this should CCP change FW LP gain to PvP only.

Dual scrams are stupid, if you are fitting two scrams to a solo pvp boat you deserve to get blown up.

Anyhow, despite warpcore stabs being really annoying when hunting theres plenty other targets out there that don't fit them so honestly this is a moot point.

Fit dual scrams, whats the problem? By fitting WCS your potential target cripples combat ability of their ship anyway so adapt and fit your ship accordingly to capture those pilots. Why do you want to remove part of meta-game by introducing changes in ingame mechanics?

First of all i believe FW is supposed to be what it is, a way to make ISK / LP though PvP, but a fair majority of FW pilots don't PvP in the sites they wish to capture they fit Warp Core Stabilizers and warp out as soon as someone is on grid or they get tackled. This is counter productive to what FW is supposed to be. I had a small chat with a random in local, who had a very good idea to prevent the use of Warp Core Stabilizers in FW, here is the following convo:

[06:14:47] Grunnax Aurelius > WTB FW Pilots with t e s t i c l e s
[06:15:05] Yash Anub > they should just make it that you can't enter a site with stabs on your ship
[06:15:13] Grunnax Aurelius > ^^^^
[06:15:47] Yash Anub > it'll make them want to fight for their LP...:P
[06:17:02] Grunnax Aurelius > yep
[06:17:25] Yash Anub > or at least make them pay attetion to their D-scan more lol

Basically the proposal is, ships may not enter FW sites with Warp Core Stabilizers equipped, and as for Large sites, prevent warp to location when Warp Core Stabilizers are fit.

EDIT: Also prevent ships that have passive warp core strength.