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Dammar	Posted - 2005.12.30 14:20:00 - [151] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk End result of this thread: ISS are defending themselves against people who kill anyone who enters territory they claim but can't hold. I personally would lose respect for ISS if they let people get away with podding their leader like that, rushed exit or not, maybe it is personal, but it should be personal for everyone in the alliance, not just for him. CCC aren't incompetent pvpers, but are utterly incompetent diplomats. Baldour Ngarr is a total jerk. You know we had discusions about you in particular yesterday(because we are friendly toward your alliance..they are in our space all the time and know they are welcome), and as a result we sent our diplomat to see if we are still friends. Apparently your alliance's response was "We don't know what he's smoking." So i'd like to ask just what the hell are you smoking? :) Anyway, I'd suggest you stop talking about that which you obviously know nothing of. Forum troll just isn't your forte.
Tyrrax Thorrk	Posted - 2005.12.30 14:22:00 - [152] My opinions are of great relevance, and I'm really smart. You may all worship me now. http://eve.klaki.net/
Astarte Nosferatu	Posted - 2005.12.30 15:36:00 - [153] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk My opinions are of great relevance, and I'm really smart. You may all worship me now. Oh but we already do, Lady Thorrk. /me bows. ------------------------------------------ Member of the [23] Follower of the Blood Revolution. Sani Sabik.
Dr Happy	Posted - 2005.12.30 17:12:00 - [154] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk End result of this thread: ISS are defending themselves against people who kill anyone who enters territory they claim but can't hold. I personally would lose respect for ISS if they let people get away with podding their leader like that, rushed exit or not, maybe it is personal, but it should be personal for everyone in the alliance, not just for him. CCC aren't incompetent pvpers, but are utterly incompetent diplomats. Baldour Ngarr is a total jerk. you really have no right to talk be WE DON'T SHOOT YOU IN ARE TERRITORY ISS hasn't exactly treated us with respect either and I admit up till now are diplomance has been lacking
Boonaki	Posted - 2005.12.30 21:40:00 - [155] I'm more worried about the future of ISS. Love what they've been able to do, but I could see this raising some serious issues. Fear the Ibis of doom.
Dr Happy	Posted - 2005.12.30 21:56:00 - [156] Originally by: Boonaki I'm more worried about the future of ISS. Love what they've been able to do, but I could see this raising some serious issues. I think most of this is jsut a mistake at least I hope so
Kaell Meynn	Posted - 2005.12.31 22:48:00 - [157] Originally by: Vantras This CLEARLY seems to be an issue between IAC, ISS and CCC...this piling on, grand pronouncements of ISS losing credibilty etc. is comical! Appears to me that some pirate-types are just looking for an excuse to shoot at ISS industrialists.Vantras And the shareholders of ISS, who come from corps across the galaxy, and members of alliances who support ISS politically. When you are publicly funded and traded, and supported by outside entities other than yourself politically... well... others are going to have something to say when ya screw up.
Drhappysacountant	Posted - 2005.12.31 22:55:00 - [158] you poeple should really stop talking about this it's just an argument between 3 allainces
Sergeant Spot	Posted - 2006.01.01 02:21:00 - [159] Question for morons: If you have "neutral" policy, fighting only against attacks, and you are attacked, if you shoot back, does that mean you have abandoned your policy??? (The moron answer is "yes". The non-moron answer is "no")
DevilFox	Posted - 2006.01.01 04:26:00 - [160] Originally by: KSUDruid Originally by: Count TaSessine It is not representative because I honest to god don't know what the heck Baldour is smoking at the moment. Ah Hah! OK, then in that case I'll STFU, you got a lot of Damage Control to get started on, quick Going down like Enron. Thing is tho the people of eve are the judge and the jury. Hang much?
FowlPlayChiken	Posted - 2006.01.01 06:11:00 - [161] iss abandoms neurtal posistoon and takes up one bent oveer!
Lokan Dohar	Posted - 2006.01.01 15:10:00 - [162] Intersting set of threads in this portion of the forums. Me I'm just an idiotic noob, but there are some RL skills which are not quite so noobish... Just me or anyone else notice that Baldour (formerly of ISS) and Vex (formerly of CCC) are now both in the same corp (Aliastra)? I always love a good conspiracy theory story, carry on.
Dyvim Slorm	Posted - 2006.01.01 16:27:00 - [163] Originally by: Lokan Dohar Just me or anyone else notice that Baldour (formerly of ISS) and Vex (formerly of CCC) are now both in the same corp (Aliastra)? Just for info, Aliastra is one of the noob corps. You revert back to your starting noob corp when you leave a player run corp.
Bronna	Posted - 2006.01.01 18:11:00 - [164] A few days back I bought some items at Marginis and was negotiating a raven purchase when, upon undocking a day later, was attacked by ISS Navy trigger happy members for absolutely no reason (good thing those guys don't pvp too well :P). I managed to get back into base intact until i negotiated a way out with the station directors. Apparently my corp was set to negative standing (this happened roughly an hour after my being shot at btw, because I was somehow able to dock for the usual 5K fee beforehand) for supposed 'pirating' in system. I have never pirated within the system, and being around the area for a few weeks, haven't even seen a member of my corp- and i most certainly did not see any corp memeber in the system during that hour lol. Out of anger at such injustice, as I left system I ambushed a poorly led hauler/barge fleet en route to the base 2 jumps from actual Marginis system (Manticore ftw). So I ask: why, if my corp was accused of pirating before my visit, could I dock without any problems? I received no warning of status change. Did the ISS simply forget about RA negative standing until I 'reminded' them? I don't know....this neutrality thing looks like a sham (or a way to get back at me for surviving the initial ISS Navy attack :p) and until I get access to my items, I just may take it upon myself to assemble small anti-ISS blockades in the area. ----------------------------------------------- And we shall pwn.
Maltrox	Posted - 2006.01.01 18:19:00 - [165] Mumbo Jumbo, Tippity Tap Those with no knowledge, shut your yap. Diplomacy and fallacy, these two for sure, Flat out war, why that is not a cure. Sweet whispers of love and sharing one's ground, Rather than rumours and ill wishes 'round. In other words..... Matlrox's Guide to Happy Happy Times 1) Obtain peace pipe. 2) Stuff said peace pipe with some of that good stuff. 3) Light up said peace pipe. 4) Gather conflicting parties 'round 5) Puff, puff, pass (to the left) 6) When pipe is empty, refill. 7) Continue smoking of said pipe until peaceful resolution achieved Serves: As many as necessary Tasty options: Try baking chocolate brownies with lo-fat icing as a healthy alternative.
dantes inferno	Posted - 2006.01.01 19:26:00 - [166] Quote: few days back I bought some items at Marginis and was negotiating a raven purchase when, upon undocking a day later, was attacked by ISS Navy trigger happy members for absolutely no reason (good thing those guys don't pvp too well :P). I managed to get back into base intact until i negotiated a way out with the station directors. Apparently my corp was set to negative standing (this happened roughly an hour after my being shot at btw, because I was somehow able to dock for the usual 5K fee beforehand) for supposed 'pirating' in system. I have never pirated within the system, and being around the area for a few weeks, haven't even seen a member of my corp- and i most certainly did not see any corp memeber in the system during that hour lol. Out of anger at such injustice, as I left system I ambushed a poorly led hauler/barge fleet en route to the base 2 jumps from actual Marginis system (Manticore ftw). So I ask: why, if my corp was accused of pirating before my visit, could I dock without any problems? I received no warning of status change. Did the ISS simply forget about RA negative standing until I 'reminded' them? I don't know....this neutrality thing looks like a sham (or a way to get back at me for surviving the initial ISS Navy attack :p) and until I get access to my items, I just may take it upon myself to assemble small anti-ISS blockades in the area. ISS CONSPIRACY THEORY 345678: the ISS navy attacked you out of boredom (its obvious ISS cant control their members/member corps contrary to claims they do)...then reported to their command you attacked them..then to justify their change in standings came up with a load of BS _____ "When mothers warned their children that the monster would get them, that monster was me. I was the nightmare that kept
Able Citizen	Posted - 2006.01.01 21:29:00 - [167] What trouble is caused by under-developed thinking resulting in memetic infection! Our universe is free and space is free to all. Enclosurism should be eschewed by freeing yourselves of the imperialist leanings. If five different corps place a POS in the same system, who is really threatened? Defend against pirates and co-exist successfully! --sig by Yuki Li
Lebela	Posted - 2006.01.02 05:31:00 - [168] After reading all replies to this post I have to agree about this being an interesting set of events. I'll have to set my DVR to record everything, like I do my favorite soap's. Being the gossip hound I am, seems the IAC POS that was taken down the other day was done by a spy. Granted security should have been tighter, but if CCC needs spys to help take down POS's, I guess they can't do the job themselves. And since we are on the subject of not being able to do the job themselves, seems there is a rumor CCC is in the process of hiring a certain well known merc corp to come in and run IAC out of RNF. This rumor was futher backed up when some of the residents of RNF put a small force into G-7, but all CCC could do was hide at their POS. This would lead someone to think their mindset is "why take the chance of losing assets, when our hired mercs will handle them". Interesting times ahead indead.
ChaosHybrid	Posted - 2006.01.02 12:27:00 - [169] Edited by: ChaosHybrid on 02/01/2006 12:28:45 Bronna - you ca now proceed to tell everyone what really happened now. If you like that is or would it hurt your ego?
TheKiller8	Posted - 2006.01.02 17:39:00 - [170] What you say Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Interstellar Starbase Syndicate has long maintained a position of neutrality towards all alliances claiming territory in 0.0. This policy has now been abandoned. ISS declares its support for the Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate, which is contesting space in Catch with the Commonwealth Alliance. ISSN pilots have been instructed to assist IAC in defence of its assets in the area. In galactic terms, this is a small step involving a small conflict, but it may well be the start of a trend in which ISS take actively aggressive measures against those alliances which will not allow its pilots free passage through such areas as Providence and Pure Blind. All such alliances are advised to take note. What we read Originally by: Baldour Ngarr .: Click 2 See My Flash Animations :.
PoliceConstable	Posted - 2006.01.02 17:56:00 - [171] actually, all of red alliance is hostile for repeated aggressions. since docking rights are sorted corp to corp, we did not know of your corporations membership to RA until you docked. when it was reported that a RA corp could dock, docking rights were removed.
Lo3d3R	Posted - 2006.01.02 19:18:00 - [172] I'm going to shoot your space station. ~official statement~
Equin	Posted - 2006.01.02 20:48:00 - [173] I'm happy to announce that CCC had new negotiations with ISS today. After resolving an unfortunate incident from the past between ISS and CCC, ISS has agreed to grant CCC access to the margins outpost again. In return CCC has given ISS limited access to their space. Furthermore, CCC and ISS are planning to work together even closer in the future to secure the outpost and a number of solarsystems. As for the war CCC has with IAC - ISS will remain neutral in this conflict in the future, and CCC pilots will be instructed not to fire on IAC pilots in the KDF-GY system, which is the location of ISS Margins. ------------- If you're interested in joining a great PvP geared 0.0 corporation, try this one. linkage
Count TaSessine	Posted - 2006.01.02 21:03:00 - [174] Indeed, we are happy to confirm that CCC have chosen to pay us reimbursements for the ship losses ISS incurred during the incident which has been so amply discussed in this thread. With this concession, and a mutual NAP, we consider the case closed. Chairman, ISS
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.01.02 21:24:00 - [175] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 02/01/2006 21:25:04 Originally by: Count TaSessine Indeed, we are happy to confirm that CCC have chosen to pay us reimbursements for the ship losses ISS incurred during the incident which has been so amply discussed in this thread. With this concession, and a mutual NAP, we consider the case closed. Originally by: Equin I'm happy to announce that CCC had new negotiations with ISS today. After resolving an unfortunate incident from the past between ISS and CCC, ISS has agreed to grant CCC access to the margins outpost again. In return CCC has given ISS limited access to their space. Furthermore, CCC and ISS are planning to work together even closer in the future to secure the outpost and a number of solarsystems. As for the war CCC has with IAC - ISS will remain neutral in this conflict in the future, and CCC pilots will be instructed not to fire on IAC pilots in the KDF-GY system, which is the location of ISS Margins. Nice work, ISS. Perhaps this whole incicident will actually cause investors to gain trust in you, rather than lose it. I, for one, will hold onto my shares. - Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.
Oisin	Posted - 2006.01.02 22:04:00 - [176] Originally by: Dyvim Slorm Originally by: Lokan Dohar Just me or anyone else notice that Baldour (formerly of ISS) and Vex (formerly of CCC) are now both in the same corp (Aliastra)? Just for info, Aliastra is one of the noob corps. You revert back to your starting noob corp when you leave a player run corp. Don't let the facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory ;) Oisin former member of Aliastra Placid Reborn is Recruiting
Dammar	Posted - 2006.01.02 23:34:00 - [177] Originally by: Oisin Originally by: Dyvim Slorm Originally by: Lokan Dohar Just me or anyone else notice that Baldour (formerly of ISS) and Vex (formerly of CCC) are now both in the same corp (Aliastra)? Just for info, Aliastra is one of the noob corps. You revert back to your starting noob corp when you leave a player run corp. Don't let the facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory ;) Oisin former member of Aliastra Vex wasn't in CCC, guess you'll have to let that slide too. :) It was his alt that was apparently, and he never said the name. :P
DeMundus	Posted - 2006.01.03 01:19:00 - [178] C'mon ISS you know you can't move around in catch/providence without me having an eye out for you Regards DeMundus
Berneh	Posted - 2006.01.03 02:04:00 - [179] Originally by: DeMundus C'mon ISS you know you can't move around in catch/providence without me having an eye out for you Regards DeMundus If you have an eye out let me know which one it is , i'll come at you from the other side Twinkle Twinkle little star , can i macro your veldspar
Kuolematon	Posted - 2006.01.03 08:12:00 - [180] Originally by: Dammar CCC was officially created recently(it was just a formality), but we've still been there for 8 months never the less and have lived there, in peace, with the co-op of at least 2 other alliances and a handfull of corps. Hahah, so you found a little black hole and got this shiny ship named Andr... wait is Hercules going to kill me too? Azuriel Talloth: If it ain't broke, change it so it mildly annoys the playerbase

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