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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2005.12.29 00:29:00 -
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Interstellar Starbase Syndicate has long maintained a position of neutrality towards all alliances claiming territory in 0.0. This policy has now been abandoned.
ISS declares its support for the Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate, which is contesting space in Catch with the Commonwealth Alliance. ISSN pilots have been instructed to assist IAC in defence of its assets in the area.
In galactic terms, this is a small step involving a small conflict, but it may well be the start of a trend in which ISS take actively aggressive measures against those alliances which will not allow its pilots free passage through such areas as Providence and Pure Blind. All such alliances are advised to take note.
"I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked." |
Righteous Fury
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Posted - 2005.12.29 00:31:00 -
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No offense ISS, I highly doubt this is going to end well for you.
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.12.29 00:36:00 -
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Youre kidding right? -------------
[AUCTION] Halo Omega About to end |
Pepperami
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Posted - 2005.12.29 00:45:00 -
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lol! Kidding, right? ___________________________
Originally by: TheKiller8 anyone who disagrees with my opinion is a racist.
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Rift lance
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Posted - 2005.12.29 00:47:00 -
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Is this the new Trade Federation ... anyone?
Star Wars 4tw
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Dr Happy
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Posted - 2005.12.29 00:56:00 -
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You really picked a bad subject to do this
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j0rz
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Posted - 2005.12.29 00:56:00 -
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from the passage of eve chronicles
*and so did ISS take aggressive moves towards the pilots of eve and did they fight bravley for a just cause and they perished, many would say like the xetic federation for these where foolhardy peoples*
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TheJay
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Posted - 2005.12.29 01:07:00 -
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Free for all woo!
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2005.12.29 01:12:00 -
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Hahahaha. GJ. ^^
King Liu is RIGHT!!
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Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2005.12.29 01:13:00 -
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Yup, ISS is going to die.
Sorry mates, you just took the little nothing that was keeping you somewhat safe, and tossed it out the window. ---
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Alberta
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Posted - 2005.12.29 01:14:00 -
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Originally by: Raem Civrie Yup, ISS is going to die.
Sorry mates, you just took the little nothing that was keeping you somewhat safe, and tossed it out the window.
Thx for saving me some typing.
My Thoughts on Game Balance |
Dr Happy
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Posted - 2005.12.29 01:14:00 -
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You also decide to help an allaince that has almsot no chance of surviving in 0.0. I could go into more but I wont
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2005.12.29 01:14:00 -
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Excellent move ISS, people who KOS everyone who enters their space need to be put down.
I don't see this as abandoning neutrality since they would shoot you anyway.
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Dr Happy
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Posted - 2005.12.29 01:17:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Excellent move ISS, people who KOS everyone who enters their space need to be put down.
I don't see this as abandoning neutrality since they would shoot you anyway.
see you don't have all the info now do you?
do resaerch learn what actually is going on and don't take one source as the know all end all.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.12.29 01:22:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 29/12/2005 01:22:47
"Interstellar Starbase Syndicate has long maintained a position of neutrality towards all alliances claiming territory in 0.0. This policy has now been abandoned."
... Seeing how this move puts a direct threat on ISS-controlled outpost(s), was it approved by the shareholders and thus de facto owners of structures you decided to endanger with your decision..? o.O;
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2005.12.29 01:22:00 -
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Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 29/12/2005 01:23:08
I've dealt with CCC too, I know their attitude in the area, I also know IAC's and I know how ISS operate.
I do know what I'm talking about, ISS is in the right here.
IAC unlike CCC, have no interest in closing the space, they don't shoot neutrals on sight and they don't try to blackmail people into helping them against their enemies.
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Dr Happy
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Posted - 2005.12.29 01:26:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 29/12/2005 01:23:08
I've dealt with CCC too, I know their attitude in the area, I also know IAC's and I know how ISS operate.
I do know what I'm talking about, ISS is in the right here.
IAC unlike CCC, have no interest in closing the space, they don't shoot neutrals on sight and they don't try to blackmail people into helping them against their enemies.
CCC Does not kos on sight they ask you to leave a few times. It is hard to Patrol anough to allow poepel in and keep pirates out so for safety reasion no one that isn't know is let in. there are a few corp allowed into ccc space like mom and pop and archo corperations
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2005.12.29 01:27:00 -
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i fail to see this as a major change for iss, but maybe a surprise will strike.
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Dr Happy
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Posted - 2005.12.29 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists i fail to see this as a major change for iss, but maybe a surprise will strike.
They want to have an outpost in the area that iac is trying to take over
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KSUDruid
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Posted - 2005.12.29 01:29:00 -
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Umm.. I really have no idea who these people are or any clue about them at all, but ISS declaring itself no longer neutral is just like putting your balls right in a door and then slamming it shut.
The ONE THING you guys had going for you that seperated you from the rest of the Alliances in the game you just ****ed away for what? Some travel rights through unclaimed space?
GG ISS, You had a great concept while it lasted. Welcome to the real world with the rest of us.
-Druid
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Shimpu
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Posted - 2005.12.29 01:30:00 -
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Like in Simpsons: "Haha!"
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Ka Dargo
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Posted - 2005.12.29 01:31:00 -
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WTS: ISS Shares :P
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Berneh
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Posted - 2005.12.29 01:39:00 -
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Its not a major change at all really, our guys kept getting kiled and threatened in the ccc gatecamps, so we said ok np.
simple.
Image oversized please read the forum rules - Laqum Twinkle Twinkle little star , can i macro your veldspar |
ChefAce
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Posted - 2005.12.29 01:41:00 -
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Originally by: Ka Dargo WTS: ISS Shares :P
lol
It's not like they were ever really neutral anyway.
They're also in Syndicate hobknobing with Goonfleet and the OSS. I see this ending real well for you guys. Not!
Good luck to you but as some many before me have said, you just screwed the pooch. -------------
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Eddie
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Posted - 2005.12.29 01:42:00 -
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This is gonna be so fun
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Azuriel Talloth
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Posted - 2005.12.29 01:47:00 -
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Now I'm glad I was too late to buy shares in Borealis
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Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2005.12.29 01:48:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine Edited by: j0sephine on 29/12/2005 01:22:47
"Interstellar Starbase Syndicate has long maintained a position of neutrality towards all alliances claiming territory in 0.0. This policy has now been abandoned."
... Seeing how this move puts a direct threat on ISS-controlled outpost(s), was it approved by the shareholders and thus de facto owners of structures you decided to endanger with your decision..? o.O;
This important question should be answered ASAP.
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Count TaSessine
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Posted - 2005.12.29 01:50:00 -
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This post is not representative of ISS. We have not abandoned the neutral stance on which the ISS Charter is built on.
The conflict between IAC and CCC is well known to us since it is ongoing in Catch. CCC is shooting at ISS, IAC is not. This does not mean we support one or the other, only that we actively defend against CCC as per the ISS Charter.
Chairman, ISS
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El Sayal
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Posted - 2005.12.29 01:59:00 -
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Originally by: Count TaSessine This post is not representative of ISS. We have not abandoned the neutral stance on which the ISS Charter is built on.
The conflict between IAC and CCC is well known to us since it is ongoing in Catch. CCC is shooting at ISS, IAC is not. This does not mean we support one or the other, only that we actively defend against CCC as per the ISS Charter.
can i suggest that you limit who is allowed to make press releases as this last post is much better than the OP, also clears up alot of the flamebait you left yourselves open to....
Death is certain, Life isn't. |
Calisto Lockhart
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Posted - 2005.12.29 02:01:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine Edited by: j0sephine on 29/12/2005 01:22:47
"Interstellar Starbase Syndicate has long maintained a position of neutrality towards all alliances claiming territory in 0.0. This policy has now been abandoned."
... Seeing how this move puts a direct threat on ISS-controlled outpost(s), was it approved by the shareholders and thus de facto owners of structures you decided to endanger with your decision..? o.O;
an interesting point indeed, i am sure many people would like that answer
Originally by: SengH TomB would probably use it as an excuse to develop some ridiculously overpowered weapon for the Jove mothership, then Oveur would ride it into the middle of the borg fleet and set it off |
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Count TaSessine
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Posted - 2005.12.29 02:01:00 -
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It is not representative because I honest to god don't know what the heck Baldour is smoking at the moment. We operate like we always have done. We go about our business, defend against pirates etc. His post makes it sound like we're going to war against someone. CCC is like Sudden Death Squad alliance or VIRII or ++, all KOS to ISS because they are pirates.
Chairman, ISS
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Count TaSessine
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Posted - 2005.12.29 02:02:00 -
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Originally by: El Sayal
Originally by: Count TaSessine This post is not representative of ISS. We have not abandoned the neutral stance on which the ISS Charter is built on.
The conflict between IAC and CCC is well known to us since it is ongoing in Catch. CCC is shooting at ISS, IAC is not. This does not mean we support one or the other, only that we actively defend against CCC as per the ISS Charter.
can i suggest that you limit who is allowed to make press releases as this last post is much better than the OP, also clears up alot of the flamebait you left yourselves open to....
Yes, your suggestion is noted. From now on only posts from myself or Serenity Steele are to be considered 'official' from ISS.
Chairman, ISS
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El Sayal
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Posted - 2005.12.29 02:02:00 -
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a wise decision
Death is certain, Life isn't. |
KSUDruid
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Posted - 2005.12.29 02:02:00 -
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Originally by: Count TaSessine It is not representative because I honest to god don't know what the heck Baldour is smoking at the moment.
Ah Hah! OK, then in that case I'll STFU, you got a lot of Damage Control to get started on, quick
-Druid
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Dr Happy
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Posted - 2005.12.29 02:03:00 -
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Originally by: Count TaSessine This post is not representative of ISS. We have not abandoned the neutral stance on which the ISS Charter is built on.
The conflict between IAC and CCC is well known to us since it is ongoing in Catch. CCC is shooting at ISS, IAC is not. This does not mean we support one or the other, only that we actively defend against CCC as per the ISS Charter.
Place a pos in someones territory without permission and they tend to do that
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Count TaSessine
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Posted - 2005.12.29 02:11:00 -
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Originally by: KSUDruid
Originally by: Count TaSessine It is not representative because I honest to god don't know what the heck Baldour is smoking at the moment.
Ah Hah! OK, then in that case I'll STFU, you got a lot of Damage Control to get started on, quick
yeah, tell me about it
Chairman, ISS
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ParMizaN
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Posted - 2005.12.29 02:13:00 -
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Edited by: ParMizaN on 29/12/2005 02:13:23 wuh -oh somebodies in for it ^^
Phenomena of ironies, cast the litany aside How intelligible, blessed be the forgetful |
Dammar
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Posted - 2005.12.29 02:21:00 -
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Originally by: Count TaSessine This post is not representative of ISS. We have not abandoned the neutral stance on which the ISS Charter is built on.
The conflict between IAC and CCC is well known to us since it is ongoing in Catch. CCC is shooting at ISS, IAC is not. This does not mean we support one or the other, only that we actively defend against CCC as per the ISS Charter.
ISS got caught setting up a POS in our space despite being told not to.
ISSN now frequently comes into CCC space looking for fights and it is CCC that defends itself, NOT the other way around.
We don't camp our gates unless we feel threatened and have little to no reason to go into ISS space.
Seriously, we have enough problems without ISS being involved at all, and it really makes me wonder what their motives really are.
We wanted to be neutral with ISS, we really did, and even tho I have no official standing of any sort in my corp/alliance, I can say with absolute certainty that if ISS were to agree to be neutral towards CCC, we would glady agree. Just don't say you are neutral to us now, because that simply isn't the case.
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Dr Happy
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Posted - 2005.12.29 02:36:00 -
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Originally by: Dammar
Originally by: Count TaSessine This post is not representative of ISS. We have not abandoned the neutral stance on which the ISS Charter is built on.
The conflict between IAC and CCC is well known to us since it is ongoing in Catch. CCC is shooting at ISS, IAC is not. This does not mean we support one or the other, only that we actively defend against CCC as per the ISS Charter.
ISS got caught setting up a POS in our space despite being told not to.
ISSN now frequently comes into CCC space looking for fights and it is CCC that defends itself, NOT the other way around.
We don't camp our gates unless we feel threatened and have little to no reason to go into ISS space.
Seriously, we have enough problems without ISS being involved at all, and it really makes me wonder what their motives really are.
We wanted to be neutral with ISS, we really did, and even tho I have no official standing of any sort in my corp/alliance, I can say with absolute certainty that if ISS were to agree to be neutral towards CCC, we would glady agree. Just don't say you are neutral to us now, because that simply isn't the case.
As CCC's diplomate I would say yes
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Tony Fats
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Posted - 2005.12.29 02:48:00 -
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I get the feeling that Balfour may be the "high level plant" the share scammer was talking about, in that other post, the one that tried to extort you for 1.5 bil "or else."
Seems to me that ISS is a well thought out concept, just that every bunghole in the galaxy is gonna try to infiltrate, extort money, or somehow damage the concept for any number of reasons. I'd be watchful for people who join up for months or years only to login at 4am on new years eve and shut down the base shields.
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Berneh
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Posted - 2005.12.29 03:10:00 -
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Originally by: Dammar
Originally by: Count TaSessine This post is not representative of ISS. We have not abandoned the neutral stance on which the ISS Charter is built on.
The conflict between IAC and CCC is well known to us since it is ongoing in Catch. CCC is shooting at ISS, IAC is not. This does not mean we support one or the other, only that we actively defend against CCC as per the ISS Charter.
ISS got caught setting up a POS in our space despite being told not to.
ISSN now frequently comes into CCC space looking for fights and it is CCC that defends itself, NOT the other way around.
We don't camp our gates unless we feel threatened and have little to no reason to go into ISS space.
Seriously, we have enough problems without ISS being involved at all, and it really makes me wonder what their motives really are.
We wanted to be neutral with ISS, we really did, and even tho I have no official standing of any sort in my corp/alliance, I can say with absolute certainty that if ISS were to agree to be neutral towards CCC, we would glady agree. Just don't say you are neutral to us now, because that simply isn't the case.
Post with your main.
Twinkle Twinkle little star , can i macro your veldspar |
EvilSyKOSkitzo
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Posted - 2005.12.29 03:12:00 -
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Count TaSessine..
Seems like the CCC guys are willing to set you guys to neutral. Maybe you guys should get around a table talk a bit and get back on the forums with a nice press release to ease your shareholders worries. :P
ISS needs to stay neutral as possible and if it doesn't you guys will have a lot of problems in the future.
Sort this **** out and get back to what you guys where doing.. - N3rvous
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Berneh
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Posted - 2005.12.29 03:13:00 -
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Originally by: Tony Fats I'd be watchful for people who join up for months or years only to login at 4am on new years eve and shut down the base shields.
Thats impossible only me and my Tai ebay postal bride have access.
Twinkle Twinkle little star , can i macro your veldspar |
Lacero Callrisian
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Posted - 2005.12.29 03:19:00 -
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Originally by: EvilSyKOSkitzo ISS needs to stay neutral as possible and if it doesn't you guys will have a lot of problems in the future.
Yeah, and that's just from us shareholders :)
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Primer Xenius
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Posted - 2005.12.29 03:21:00 -
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Count TaSessine, neutrality is your friend
The way the shares we given out (at least what I'm led to believe), to give a distribution of shares to major alliances to keep the peace is an impressive political balancing act. However abondoning neutrality will only cause you trouble.
All the best.
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Drunkeh
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Posted - 2005.12.29 03:24:00 -
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Edited by: Drunkeh on 29/12/2005 03:24:22 WTF is CCC?
Its not like either of those alliances will last 2 months out in catch anyways.
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Vex Seraphim
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Posted - 2005.12.29 03:24:00 -
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Tbh it's interesting how it'll turn out, seeing that commonwealth alliance have recently kicked my alt out thus ****ing me off.
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Dammar
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Posted - 2005.12.29 03:32:00 -
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Originally by: Berneh
Post with your main.
This IS my main.
I know I've seen you serveral times within our territory, guess you were not paying attention to who you're playing cat and mouse with, hmm?
Heh you guys are hilarious. You call US pirates? When you are the ones constantly flying into our system knowing full well what you are doing after the events that have transpired.(or not knowing..lost any ships lately?)
WE didn't try and set up a pos in ISS space. (gee i wonder how well that would've went over...)
We didn't come into ISS space with a fleet of fighting ships under the pretence of seeking peace while stubbornly claiming ignorance like in the very post.
..and we sure as hell aren't coming into your space now looking for fights.
So who's the pirates here again?
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Dr Happy
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Posted - 2005.12.29 03:32:00 -
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Originally by: Berneh
Originally by: Dammar
Originally by: Count TaSessine This post is not representative of ISS. We have not abandoned the neutral stance on which the ISS Charter is built on.
The conflict between IAC and CCC is well known to us since it is ongoing in Catch. CCC is shooting at ISS, IAC is not. This does not mean we support one or the other, only that we actively defend against CCC as per the ISS Charter.
That is his main lol
ISS got caught setting up a POS in our space despite being told not to.
ISSN now frequently comes into CCC space looking for fights and it is CCC that defends itself, NOT the other way around.
We don't camp our gates unless we feel threatened and have little to no reason to go into ISS space.
Seriously, we have enough problems without ISS being involved at all, and it really makes me wonder what their motives really are.
We wanted to be neutral with ISS, we really did, and even tho I have no official standing of any sort in my corp/alliance, I can say with absolute certainty that if ISS were to agree to be neutral towards CCC, we would glady agree. Just don't say you are neutral to us now, because that simply isn't the case.
Post with your main.
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Logan Williams
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Posted - 2005.12.29 03:34:00 -
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Originally by: Count TaSessine It is not representative because I honest to god don't know what the heck Baldour is smoking at the moment. We operate like we always have done. We go about our business, defend against pirates etc. His post makes it sound like we're going to war against someone. CCC is like Sudden Death Squad alliance or VIRII or ++, all KOS to ISS because they are pirates.
VIRII, the last time I checked, are not pirates. Perhaps you should contact their leadership and arrange standings. |
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Thaylon Sen
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Posted - 2005.12.29 03:34:00 -
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Well... CCC have it coming :) and ISS disapointed to see these *****s appearing :(
Peace Out |
Dr Happy
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Posted - 2005.12.29 03:39:00 -
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Edited by: Dr Happy on 29/12/2005 03:41:51
Originally by: Logan Williams
Originally by: Count TaSessine It is not representative because I honest to god don't know what the heck Baldour is smoking at the moment. We operate like we always have done. We go about our business, defend against pirates etc. His post makes it sound like we're going to war against someone. CCC is like Sudden Death Squad alliance or VIRII or ++, all KOS to ISS because they are pirates.
There not pirates but the shoot everyone they see VIRII, the last time I checked, are not pirates. Perhaps you should contact their leadership and arrange standings.
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Vince Draken
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Posted - 2005.12.29 03:43:00 -
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Originally by: Drunkeh Edited by: Drunkeh on 29/12/2005 03:24:22 WTF is CCC?
Its not like either of those alliances will last 2 months out in catch anyways.
Yeah, I was wondering that too.
Sounds a bit like Curse Coalition to me.
Btw, what space do they (pretend) to clai anyway?
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FowlPlayChiken
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Posted - 2005.12.29 03:45:00 -
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TBH it makes sense. CCC kills iss members. IAC dosent. IAC is 3x bigger. both want an outpost over in that area, I think. everyone wants friendly neibors; since IAC dosent pirate it would be better for marginis commerce to have IAC there than CCC. my two cents
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Dammar
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Posted - 2005.12.29 03:49:00 -
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Originally by: Drunkeh Edited by: Drunkeh on 29/12/2005 03:24:22 WTF is CCC?
Its not like either of those alliances will last 2 months out in catch anyways.
CCC has been there for 8 months. Will it last another 2 now that everyone and their dog has decided they want our small piece of space? Stay tuned.
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Galaxion
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Posted - 2005.12.29 03:50:00 -
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I smell the roasting of somebody's balls over a spit. I feel sorry for the OP to be honest. -----------------------------------------
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Drunkeh
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Posted - 2005.12.29 03:54:00 -
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Originally by: Dammar
Originally by: Drunkeh Edited by: Drunkeh on 29/12/2005 03:24:22 WTF is CCC?
Its not like either of those alliances will last 2 months out in catch anyways.
CCC has been there for 8 months. Will it last another 2 now that everyone and their dog has decided they want our small piece of space? Stay tuned.
You've been... where for 8 months? Cause I was in catch most of my eve life and never heard of any CCC.
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The Enslaver
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Posted - 2005.12.29 03:59:00 -
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Ok, but that doesn't answer - who the hell are you? -------- Shinra Director
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Dr Happy
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Posted - 2005.12.29 04:01:00 -
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Originally by: The Enslaver Ok, but that doesn't answer - who the hell are you?
The commonwealth allaince?
We are just trying to claim a small area of space and build are outpost
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Raid
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Posted - 2005.12.29 04:01:00 -
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Edited by: Raid on 29/12/2005 04:01:06
Originally by: Vince Draken
Originally by: Drunkeh Edited by: Drunkeh on 29/12/2005 03:24:22 WTF is CCC?
Its not like either of those alliances will last 2 months out in catch anyways.
Yeah, I was wondering that too.
Sounds a bit like Curse Coalition to me.
I know you miss us dude.... no worries, we're still in curse -----------------------
The Canadian got in a store and said to the seller: - I'm a Canadian and I can kill you! - Can what? - Canadian! |
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Dammar
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Posted - 2005.12.29 04:04:00 -
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Originally by: Drunkeh
You've been... where for 8 months? Cause I was in catch most of my eve life and never heard of any CCC.
CCC was officially created recently(it was just a formality), but we've still been there for 8 months never the less and have lived there, in peace, with the co-op of at least 2 other alliances and a handfull of corps.
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F'nog
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Posted - 2005.12.29 04:30:00 -
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Originally by: KSUDruid ISS declaring itself no longer neutral is just like putting your balls right in a door and then slamming it shut.
OMG, Druid, too funneh. This one's going in my quote library.
Originally by: rowbin hod Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage.
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DeathForMeh
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Posted - 2005.12.29 05:38:00 -
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Edited by: DeathForMeh on 29/12/2005 05:39:52 Intresting drama bomb. -------------------------------------------- X I was here |
Serilla
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Posted - 2005.12.29 06:59:00 -
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Originally by: Raem Civrie Yup, ISS is going to die.
Sorry mates, you just took the little nothing that was keeping you somewhat safe, and tossed it out the window.
Agree, and that one goes with the next quote.
Originally by: j0sephine Edited by: j0sephine on 29/12/2005 01:22:47
"Interstellar Starbase Syndicate has long maintained a position of neutrality towards all alliances claiming territory in 0.0. This policy has now been abandoned."
... Seeing how this move puts a direct threat on ISS-controlled outpost(s), was it approved by the shareholders and thus de facto owners of structures you decided to endanger with your decision..? o.O;
If i had shares i would be ****ED. Because of Quote 1
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2005.12.29 07:33:00 -
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Edited by: Baldour Ngarr on 29/12/2005 07:34:46
Originally by: KSUDruid Umm.. I really have no idea who these people are or any clue about them at all, but ISS declaring itself no longer neutral is just like putting your balls right in a door and then slamming it shut.
Pretty much. I think that's why Count wanted us to keep it quiet.
I don't like secrecy and underhand dealings. I particularly don't like secrecy and underhand dealings when they're being conducted by the alliance I only joined because it was up front, honest, businesslike, and a refreshing change from all you other guys out there.
Which is why I'm now leaving. If anyone wants a copy of the log of Count telling us all about this decision, ask me in-game. I don't think I'm allowed to post it here.
*edit* No, I'm not the high-level plant. If I were, I could've ripped ISS off for an awful lot more than a billion and a half; also, I don't know where Borealis is being built, so don't bother coming to ask me
"I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked." |
Rawne Karrde
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Posted - 2005.12.29 07:33:00 -
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IAC's goals are similar to those in ISS in that we do wish to develop 0.0 space with an open policy. We approached members of the corporations that were living in the area now contested. It was our intention to work with those there to help develop the area. It is still now our goal to do so and those that operate in the area have seen what CCC's idea's are and don't like them.
CCC's diplomats have let them down in this area. We looked for a compromise to the situation so that we could work together instead of against each other. Comments from Effei Gloom left little room for that. We have begun to settle out there, and our policy of neutrality will remain. However the CCC have made their bed, and now must lie in it.
As always my diplomatic ear is open and hoping for a peaceful resolution to this conflict.
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2005.12.29 07:46:00 -
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Sweet, a troll post that's not by an alt.
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Omatje
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Posted - 2005.12.29 07:47:00 -
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Edited by: Omatje on 29/12/2005 07:49:13
Originally by: Count TaSessine The conflict between IAC and CCC is well known to us since it is ongoing in Catch. CCC is shooting at ISS, IAC is not. This does not mean we support one or the other, only that we actively defend against CCC as per the ISS Charter.
Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
ISS declares its support for the Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate, which is contesting space in Catch with the Commonwealth Alliance. ISSN pilots have been instructed to assist IAC in defence of its assets in the area.
Either you hire a new spokesperson or maybe have some checking on official announcements? Things like this can be easily misinterpreted
Ow btw: bad move imo you can defend yourself according your charter without making political statements.
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2005.12.29 07:48:00 -
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Edited by: Rexthor Hammerfists on 29/12/2005 07:49:17 Baldour - "I don't like secrecy and underhand dealings."
u say that, but steal 1.5b, with even not being ashamed to say that ud steal way more, from ur (ex)alliance..
qoute: "*edit* No, I'm not the high-level plant. If I were, I could've ripped ISS off for an awful lot more than a billion and a half"
says much about you.
well, guess iss can b lucky to get rid of somethin like you.
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Jasam mama
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Posted - 2005.12.29 07:53:00 -
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Well, I dont like those that claim they come to help develop 3th world countries...and at the same time only one that benefit in the end are them self...and those countries ended up preaty much as they been before.
And this I have spoken before, and this I will speak again.
Neutrality..My A.S.S....nice words, nothing else. Yes I am The alt
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Darcuese
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Posted - 2005.12.29 07:56:00 -
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Originally by: Rawne Karrde
As always my diplomatic ear is open and hoping for a peaceful resolution to this conflict.
But I guess "NO" as answer isnt an option [ 2005.12.13 23:48:43 ]--Pilot from north:"we dont want to fight due to server crash and we want a fiar fight with you guys, just dont jump in". |
Equin
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Posted - 2005.12.29 07:56:00 -
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So, let me recap this entire thing. We (CCC) have lived in a small area of space for 8 months now, coexisting with some other corporations. We've always been antipirate, and outside our space we will never shoot anyone but pirates. Whenever someone would enter our area, we'd ask them to leave in a friendly manner before even thinking of shooting them.
A week ago or so, ISS decided to put up a POS in one of our systems knowing that we had a claim on them and that we did not want them here. Eventually long talks to their leaders made them take it down and go away; we let the haulers leave unharmed.
Unfortunately ever since then ISS have liked to send regular raiding parties to our space to kill some of us off, in the systems WE have a claim on. We have instructed all our pilots NOT to actively hunt ISS in order to come up with some kind of peaceful solution. I hope you understand after reading this i'll encourage anyone that wants to pop some ISS haulers to do so.
A few days ago, IAC came into our area and they set up a POS as well. We said we didn't want them, they put up their POS anyways. I really don't see what's wrong with defending your own space, so we ransacked and destroyed that POS and a large attack fleet they sent to us an hour after that job was done. It would seem that now ISS is so far in deep **** with us, and since they absolutely want that outpost location, they're going to bend their rules a bit. No more cooperation with us means that they will have to fight us. Doing it through IAC will be a bit easyer than sending in their own fighters, to keep the public happy. Well shareholders, I hope you know what's really going on here.
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Rawne Karrde
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Posted - 2005.12.29 08:10:00 -
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First yes you did ransack a pos today of ours. Though rather successful your tactics were quite underhanded and prayed on a noob director. Only worked because sadly I have a job and couldn't be there instead.
As for friendly with ISS? You destroyed the ISS pos, as well as podding Count tesassine while in negotiations. I suggest you start finding out whats really going on in your alliance.
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Darcuese
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Posted - 2005.12.29 08:28:00 -
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Hmm, but what was POS doing there in a first place?
Im interested in developing of this saga [ 2005.12.13 23:48:43 ]--Pilot from north:"we dont want to fight due to server crash and we want a fiar fight with you guys, just dont jump in". |
Equin
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Posted - 2005.12.29 08:30:00 -
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Edited by: Equin on 29/12/2005 08:32:49 We never destroyed the ISS POS, whatever Count told you she's lying. And yes, we podded her as she tried to leave before they took the POS down. She warped to the gate ignoring our warnings. Maybe that's why she's been sending raiding partys, too.
Rawne did it ever occur to you that you only heard this story from ISS's side due to some bad diplomatics between us when you were pulling in. Did it ever occur to you that ISS might be using you. ------------- If you're interested in joining a great PvP geared 0.0 corporation, try this one. linkage |
Count TaSessine
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Posted - 2005.12.29 08:31:00 -
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True someone from ISS set up a POS in the territory we later found out your then out of game alliance claimed. We took it down within two hours again after you complained. We started offlining it and moved the stuff out. Then you podded me as I was leaving the area after spending 1,5 hours talking with you guys. Excuse me for thinking of you as pirates.
Chairman, ISS
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Kaell Meynn
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Posted - 2005.12.29 08:33:00 -
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Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Edited by: Rexthor Hammerfists on 29/12/2005 07:49:17 Baldour - "I don't like secrecy and underhand dealings."
u say that, but steal 1.5b, with even not being ashamed to say that ud steal way more, from ur (ex)alliance..
qoute: "*edit* No, I'm not the high-level plant. If I were, I could've ripped ISS off for an awful lot more than a billion and a half"
says much about you.
well, guess iss can b lucky to get rid of somethin like you.
Did you misread the ENTIRE post?
He said he COULD steal lots from ISS, he's NOT GOING TO BECAUSE IT'S BAD TO STEAL. It's what he would do if he WERE the bad guy, but he's not cause he's not.
Get it?
I applaud Bauldur for sticking to his values and voicing his concerns about an organization taking a turn away from what it was. It is hard to leave all your friends and be open about poor decisions made by your leaders, as it tends to ostracize you from all your friends and support.
ISS, what the hell are you thinking? ISS does not exist simply because of it's military might, but in no small part because the neighbooring alliances see something in what you aimed to accomplish, and support your cause. If you give up your neutrality and start attacking other alliances, you're going to have to be ready for a real fight. You'll own what your military can hold, just like everyone else, and I don't mean to insult your military, but I don't think it's up to the task of holding 2 stations on opposite ends of the galaxy if someone decides "that's a nice station... (you know the rest)". I know you have a lot of capitol, but I've never seen a Merc force defend a region with any measurable success. Small nuisance raids slowing production, yes, but not full on alliance warfare defending stations and regions.
Anyway... good luck (you very well may need it).
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Equin
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Posted - 2005.12.29 08:35:00 -
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As stated in my previous post at the time we podded you you hadn't even started taking it down. You did that after we killed your navy task force. I find it lame how you are now starting to throw mud at us publicly, on the forums. I used to think higher of ISS. Much higher. ------------- If you're interested in joining a great PvP geared 0.0 corporation, try this one. linkage |
Darcuese
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Posted - 2005.12.29 08:53:00 -
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Originally by: Equin As stated in my previous post at the time we podded you you hadn't even started taking it down. .
Originally by: Equin And yes, we podded her as she tried to leave before they took the POS down. .
Hmm...allthough Im on your side atm (like it matter), you said he moved out before they TOOK (meaning they might started to puting it down but the process was not over).
*I know , Im borred at work*
[ 2005.12.13 23:48:43 ]--Pilot from north:"we dont want to fight due to server crash and we want a fiar fight with you guys, just dont jump in". |
Equin
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Posted - 2005.12.29 09:01:00 -
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The POS was in our system, along with ISS. We demanded they remove the pos, and *after* that we would let them leave unharmed. But Count tried to leave earlyer, and so on. It's a detail really. ------------- If you're interested in joining a great PvP geared 0.0 corporation, try this one. linkage |
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Pattern Clarc
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Posted - 2005.12.29 09:13:00 -
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ehem, ISS's netruality was the only thing keeping the outposts together - I'm quite mifted into why they'd wanna just set up shop in one of our own systems without any negociating or communication... Surely this is a provocation for war?
Throw away your swords and allow thee to cast ownerage on thy sorry be-hinds |
James Lyrus
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Posted - 2005.12.29 09:20:00 -
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Edited by: James Lyrus on 29/12/2005 09:21:22 More likely to be an honest mistake. Sometimes it's hard to tell if a system is 'claimed' or not. (Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Commonwealth Alliance fairly recently formed?)
You can't necessarily stop someone from deploying a tower, so if they go off and do it without permission, the only thing you can do then is shout at them to take it down.
-- Lyrus Associates is recruiting
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Pattern Clarc
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Posted - 2005.12.29 09:29:00 -
[83]
Edited by: Pattern Clarc on 29/12/2005 09:32:51
Throw away your swords and allow thee to cast ownerage on thy sorry be-hinds |
n1r4
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Posted - 2005.12.29 09:30:00 -
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Originally by: Pattern Clarc
Surely this is a provocation for war?
Why? Because they wanted to put up a shop in your systems doesn't men they want to start a war with you, but they made a mistake and as I see it you have two options
Kill them or negotiate a peace and mabye help them put up a shop where it benefits you.
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2005.12.29 09:32:00 -
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Some very stupid decisions all round.
Good for us Merc Corps though, somewhere in all that, is a very nice job indeed.
CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we is doing it in space.
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Telemicus Thrace
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Posted - 2005.12.29 09:32:00 -
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Originally by: Raem Civrie Yup, ISS is going to die.
Sorry mates, you just took the little nothing that was keeping you somewhat safe, and tossed it out the window.
I have been observing the ISS with great personal interest as I really like the idea of what they are doing. However I think Raem is right.
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Equin
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Posted - 2005.12.29 09:35:00 -
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I'll go for option two if ISS want to. But i'm afraid they don't. ------------- If you're interested in joining a great PvP geared 0.0 corporation, try this one. linkage |
Darcuese
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Posted - 2005.12.29 09:36:00 -
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Many contradictory posts in this thread. Only ones that sticks with one thing from start are the CCC guys..at least How I see it.
ISS guys calling them in one point pirates then a bit later speaking about innocent mistakes, etc,etc ..not to mention "its hard to see sometimes who have control of space" ...its not something very profesional from alliance as ISS is trying to become.
Do I have to mention this is my personal (forum biatch) opinion? [ 2005.12.13 23:48:43 ]--Pilot from north:"we dont want to fight due to server crash and we want a fiar fight with you guys, just dont jump in". |
Omeega
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Posted - 2005.12.29 09:44:00 -
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good luck.
keep an eye on your outpost.
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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Vex Seraphim
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Posted - 2005.12.29 09:49:00 -
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Equin, i'd like an explanation please on why was my alt kicked out! I believe it is unjust and i definitely deserve compensation for this!
(btw, good luck holding catch, lol, i've already stated my opinion on that)
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Mirirar
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Posted - 2005.12.29 09:56:00 -
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If I was a shareholder, I'd be pretty nervous right now.
When senior management thinks Eve Forums are a good place to be doing their laundry, it's goingto be bad for business.
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DaeMon ix
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Posted - 2005.12.29 09:57:00 -
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IAC's goals are similar to those in ISS in that we do wish to develop 0.0 space with an open policy. We approached members of the corporations that were living in the area now contested. It was our intention to work with those there to help develop the area. It is still now our goal to do so and those that operate in the area have seen what CCC's idea's are and don't like them.
sorry but this is baloney, their ''approach'' was 2 dreads trying to take down one of our smaller pos's !! some approach. I personally spoke with one of the dread pilots and she attested that their orders were to take it to 30% shields as a WARNING to us to make us join them or leave ... hardly a diplomatic technique and as it turned out not very effective either .. ahhh yes and then they agreed to leave while talks ensued and they asked for fuel for the dread because it was low and couldnt leave ffs jeez lol .. oh and 'leaveing' turned out to be move next door lol, lies, double dealing whatever next .. iss do you really trust iac ??
Oh and when is a bs force a 'few scouts' ?? when iss say it is LOL
For the record.. CCC has always had a policy of not shooting neutrals ever since I joined it months ago, there have been many instances where we have chatted with neutrals on the way to and from other systems and stations to say we kos is nonsense, we kos only those who have attacked us first as is well known in the area. Ours is dead end system there is no route through to anywhere so no one can say they are going 'to' anywhere really can they ?
ISS are using whatever excuse they can because of bruised egos no more no less ohhh yes and IAC are rich so they smell isk as well I guess. Our plan was always to have a harmonious relationship with ISS there is NO PROFIT IN WAR never has been and never will be ultimately. Count I know you from way back as an honorouble person or so it seemed, prove me right and return to neutrality, I suspect your shareholders may agree with me for one thing and for another you are destroying your own credibility with this conflict it goes against everything you purported to stand for !
I agree with the guy from BoB, sorry I forget the name, ISS have given up the one shred of credibility they had here,the one thing that made them different and we wanted to emulate. If I had shares I'd sell now while I still can !
My Two-pennorth :)
Dx (Does not hide behind alts)
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2005.12.29 09:59:00 -
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Edited by: James Lyrus on 29/12/2005 10:02:51 Edited by: James Lyrus on 29/12/2005 10:00:24
Originally by: Darcuese Many contradictory posts in this thread. Only ones that sticks with one thing from start are the CCC guys..at least How I see it.
ISS guys calling them in one point pirates then a bit later speaking about innocent mistakes, etc,etc ..not to mention "its hard to see sometimes who have control of space" ...its not something very profesional from alliance as ISS is trying to become.
Do I have to mention this is my personal (forum biatch) opinion?
*shrug* I'm not aware of the exact situation, so I think I shall stop responding to troll posts :).
I'm not going to claim to represent stuff on behalf of ISS, any more than your posts represent the views of The Five (*That* is a job for Count TaSessine or Serenity Steele).
_Personally_ I find a 'honest mistake' scenario more probable than a 'want to start a fight' scenario.
_Personally_ I also can't see Commonwealth Alliance on the alliance page (maybe I'm going blind?), and therefore can't look up systems where they've claimed sovereignty.
If there's diplomacy to be done, well, that's good. Talking is better than fighting. ISS really is trying to maintain a non aggressive neutral stance, but sometimes it's hard to tell who's hostile and who's not in 0.0.
And no, my views still don't represent those of the ISS. I think that diplomacy is best dealt with in a medium other than the trollfest that's the Corporation and Alliance forum, so I'll leave it at that.
(And I would suggest that also goes for other ISS members too) -- Lyrus Associates is recruiting
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Count TaSessine
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Posted - 2005.12.29 10:04:00 -
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As I try to take a step back from this sordid affair, I see two attacks within 6 hours on the thing we have worked so hard to build in the last 6 months, the only thing that truly protects us, and the thing that have made Marginis possible, our credibility. First from the guy who tried to take isk from innocent people and then blackmail us by threatening to damage our reputation, then this strange post from a guy we have trusted for 3 months or so.
This is our stance on IAC/CCC:
They both want to set up an outpost in the region. We found that out the hard way when we inadvertently erected a POS in the system CCC claimed at the time last week, but which is now owned by IAC (!).
CCC attacked our POS, our haulers, then podded me as I tried to negociate, even though we removed the POS immediately. I even went as far as telling them that if they paid insurance on the ships they had destroyed, we would forget about the whole thing. Now we see them in KDF, pirating etc. But apparently, as we can see in this thread, some of their members don't agree with the decision their CEO's have made re. their stance towards us. We always want to make friends, even in this case. Effei, Equin: lets talk again if you want to.
IAC have the same values we have. They want to build a public outpost in an otherwise barren area. I wish them luck and all the support we can give them and still remain neutral. They are a strong anti-pirate alliance, which is sorely needed in Catch (from where we're sitting :-)) This however means we will not help IAC besiege CCC starbases as it falls totally outside the mandate of our Charter. We will continue to patrol the region (incl. the area CCC/IAC want to live in) with the admittedly very limited forces at our disposal, at the same time as we attempt to patrol the rest of Catch and the major tradelanes leading here.
Communication, or lack thereof, is key here as in most of the big mishaps in the history of Eve.
Chairman, ISS
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Count TaSessine
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Posted - 2005.12.29 10:05:00 -
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Heh, ok James, jus saw you posting before me, I agree, that was our last post
Chairman, ISS
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Athena Valentina
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Posted - 2005.12.29 10:10:00 -
[96]
Lol all these bullsh*t politics.
At some point in the future ISS will loose all their outposts anyway.
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DaeMon ix
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Posted - 2005.12.29 10:15:00 -
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Originally by: Count TaSessine .... I wish them luck and all the support we can give them and still remain neutral. ....... We will continue to patrol the region (incl. the area CCC/IAC want to live in) with the admittedly very limited forces at our disposal, at the same time as we attempt to patrol the rest of Catch and the major tradelanes leading here.
Communication, or lack thereof, is key here as in most of the big mishaps in the history of Eve.
1. and still remain neutral ?? yet you attack us ??
2. remain neutral ?? then state here publicly now, are we kos or neutral stance please.
3. Lack of communication ? we have several times had talks with you I believe, so you were fully aware of our intentions here, that being said yes let's talk .. just we have to be able to believe what you say !
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Josarian Lysandor
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Posted - 2005.12.29 10:15:00 -
[98]
Hehe wow. Knew ISS was too good to be true.
~Victory is the weakness of the enemy.
I began as ActiveX, I am no longer. I became Sobeseki Pawi, I will be no longer. |
AdriaLima
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Posted - 2005.12.29 10:24:00 -
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Im not a diplomat for the CCC ..however i do want to throw my 2 pennies in lol.
If i was ISS ..or if i was CEO of CCC (so to speak) i'd call the whole debacle "an honest mistake" and leave it at that.
Consider the options. 1: iss supports iac and helps in attacks ..ccc would prolly be destroyed in that area however 24 hours later its bye bye to iss as everybody else destroys them. 2: iss remains neutral goes back to the table and we're all buddies again (as i do believe we were in the first place? ) 3: we all leave each other alone.
and last but not least 4: we arrange a swinger party happily swapping wifes...
Ok seriously though come on guys/girls just talk to each other ..does anybody really need this sort of irritation in our daily eve lives?
Anyways that was my 2 pennies just as a member of CCC and player of Eve.
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DaeMon ix
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Posted - 2005.12.29 10:33:00 -
[100]
heh can we swap EX wives .... please .. pretty please LOL
Dx
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Astarte Nosferatu
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Posted - 2005.12.29 10:42:00 -
[101]
Neh, if it's worth anything, I still have faith in ISS . Keep up the good work lads, and make Borealis a succes .
------------------------------------------ Member of the [23] Follower of the Blood Revolution. Sani Sabik.
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Rawne Karrde
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Posted - 2005.12.29 10:58:00 -
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Daemon IX your a good man, only one i'd say has any honor in your alliance. In our talks you talked about IAC settling in J6b instead. We halted hostilities for 48 hours so that it could be run past your ceo's as you told me. 96 hours later your diplomats still hadn't even a clue of the situation.
Meanwhile we also watched as during the ceasefire your alliance simply beefed up its pos defences. So here we are 96 hours later your pos's have been beefed up and actually onlined, and your diplomats still don't have a clue whats going on when you had Oro Convo me. We put the ball in your court and your guys dropped it so we've made RNF our home instead. We also made it know that as long as members of CCC didn't shoot at us we'd not shoot at them, though Effei's corp was to remain kos as his attitude of not playing well with others just doesn't allow for much co-operation.
The offer of co-operation is still on the table. We could be using both our assets and personel to be really building something rather than this needless waste. Now, I'd be happy to speak to an informed delegate from CCC who knows the head from their arse on the issue. Daemon IX i'd prefer even to speak to you since you are an honourable person.
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jarack
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Posted - 2005.12.29 11:15:00 -
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GO ISSN IM SURE YOU CAN SAVE THEM
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zincol
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Posted - 2005.12.29 11:16:00 -
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Quote: Now we see them in KDF, pirating etc.
Pirating? what they r ransoming u?
or do you mean they are random killing like every 1 else?
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Drilla
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Posted - 2005.12.29 11:18:00 -
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I wonder how many people would want to defend their investments ...
I for one am happy this is not far away from home as I have no problem in shooting CCC or any other fraction for that matter
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Amthrianius
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Posted - 2005.12.29 11:19:00 -
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Kick Baldour Ngarr from the alliance. ---------------
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Darcuese
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Posted - 2005.12.29 11:21:00 -
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Edited by: Darcuese on 29/12/2005 11:21:37
Originally by: Drilla I wonder how many people would want to defend their investments ...
I for one am happy this is not far away from home as I have no problem in shooting CCC or any other fraction for that matter
Diplomacy..."scared" to lose some money? [ 2005.12.13 23:48:43 ]--Pilot from north:"we dont want to fight due to server crash and we want a fiar fight with you guys, just dont jump in". |
Vex Seraphim
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Posted - 2005.12.29 11:40:00 -
[108]
Tbh, i offer my services to negotiate peace or bloodbath between CCC and ISS!
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Pattern Clarc
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Posted - 2005.12.29 12:16:00 -
[109]
Edited by: Pattern Clarc on 29/12/2005 12:21:12
Originally by: Count TaSessine
CCC attacked our POS, our haulers, then podded me as I tried to negociate, even though we removed the POS immediately.
LOL, an honest mistake, right?
Originally by: Count TaSessine
Now we see them in KDF, pirating etc.
antipirating don't you mean? don't worry about it, i'll take it as another honest mistake.
The truth is we form gangs when we feel threatened, cleaning out area's where in pirates (as in the guys flashing red and black) camp our gates and raid our miners. So far as any comments to do with KOS on neutrals I treat them with the upmost of contempt - and so should you.
Throw away your swords and allow thee to cast ownerage over thy sorry be-hinds |
dantes inferno
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Posted - 2005.12.29 12:28:00 -
[110]
yet another political nail in ISS coffin, this is the 3/4 event which damage their credibility in the past 2 months..if they dont screw the nut it wont be to long before no one trusts them and their dream will turn into a big nightmare _____
"When mothers warned their children that the monster would get them, that monster was me. I was the nightmare that kept |
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Darcuese
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Posted - 2005.12.29 12:44:00 -
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Edited by: Darcuese on 29/12/2005 12:45:18
Originally by: dantes inferno yet another political nail in ISS coffin, this is the 3/4 event which damage their credibility in the past 2 months..if they dont screw the nut it wont be to long before no one trusts them and their dream will turn into a big nightmare
I guess share holder trust them still
Tbh, it would be rather interesting to see how many of those share holders would come and fight because of strugle to keep they income safe [ 2005.12.13 23:48:43 ]--Pilot from north:"we dont want to fight due to server crash and we want a fiar fight with you guys, just dont jump in". |
DeGrand
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Posted - 2005.12.29 12:48:00 -
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Quote: Consider the options. 1: iss supports iac and helps in attacks ..ccc would prolly be destroyed in that area however 24 hours later its bye bye to iss as everybody else destroys them.
Err..why would everybody else come and pop ISS? Basically ISS made a lil booboo by setting up a POS where they shouldnt have, **** happens. Unless you got sovereignity over the system its *very* hard to figure out who claims it. Now, podding their CEO during/after diplo talks about removing the POS..ehh..right, thats not a thing you want to do when being diplomatic, at that point diplomacy ends and war starts. So the raiding parties that happened after the podding are justified.
Clean up your own mess CCC...
However, ISS should not directly be aiding anyone vs another entity.
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Equin
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Posted - 2005.12.29 13:02:00 -
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Edited by: Equin on 29/12/2005 13:03:23
Originally by: Count TaSessine
This is our stance on IAC/CCC:
They both want to set up an outpost in the region. We found that out the hard way when we inadvertently erected a POS in the system CCC claimed at the time last week, but which is now owned by IAC (!).
Not anymore.
Originally by: Count TaSessine
CCC attacked our POS, our haulers, then podded me as I tried to negociate, even though we removed the POS immediately. I even went as far as telling them that if they paid insurance on the ships they had destroyed, we would forget about the whole thing.
Now that's simply not true. We never attacked your POS OR your haulers. Though even if we had done that it'd have been justified in my eyes, as the man in charge of putting that POS there had been informed of the situation 7 days ahead, in other word, he knew PERFECTLY WELL that we were claiming that area. Furthermore you didn't remove it immediately, after we podded you we had to wait around for over an hour before the guys started taking it down. Furthermore, you didn't instruct them to take it down, you just left it up to them, or so they say.
Originally by: Count TaSessine
Now we see them in KDF, pirating etc.
Until today all pilots were instructed NOT to actively hunt ISS. This is another lie.
Originally by: Count TaSessine
But apparently, as we can see in this thread, some of their members don't agree with the decision their CEO's have made re. their stance towards us. We always want to make friends, even in this case. Effei, Equin: lets talk again if you want to.
Sure.
Originally by: Count TaSessine
We will continue to patrol the region (incl. the area CCC/IAC want to live in) with the admittedly very limited forces at our disposal, at the same time as we attempt to patrol the rest of Catch and the major tradelanes leading here.
So, basically you'll keep sending raiding parties and shoot us in our own space? Let me revise my answer to that last quote, maybe you're just offering to talk to make the public happy. Our space is a dead end, no one has to pass through there unless they're looking to fight us or live in our space.
Originally by: Count TaSessine
Communication, or lack thereof, is key here as in most of the big mishaps in the history of Eve.
There was some miscommunication, but not as much as you want everyone to believe. You knew what you were doing when you invaded our space.
I'm still not convinced about your true goals here Count, but convo me or one of our diplomats in-game if you like.
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AdriaLima
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Posted - 2005.12.29 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: DeGrand
Quote: Consider the options. 1: iss supports iac and helps in attacks ..ccc would prolly be destroyed in that area however 24 hours later its bye bye to iss as everybody else destroys them.
Err..why would everybody else come and pop ISS? Basically ISS made a lil booboo by setting up a POS where they shouldnt have, **** happens. Unless you got sovereignity over the system its *very* hard to figure out who claims it. Now, podding their CEO during/after diplo talks about removing the POS..ehh..right, thats not a thing you want to do when being diplomatic, at that point diplomacy ends and war starts. So the raiding parties that happened after the podding are justified.
Clean up your own mess CCC...
However, ISS should not directly be aiding anyone vs another entity.
Cause they would be fair game for everyone? where as everyone left them alone because of their neutrality. Moving a POS in a system they knew we were occupying (yes you did come on now everybody in that area knew) isnt keeping a neutral stance.
Anyways ISS says they got podded during negotiations ..CCC says they got popped cause they tried to leave before agreeing to remove it..making it seem as if they decided to stay.. personally i'd expect the truth to be somewhere in the middle. (i wasnt actually in the area so i cant be 100% certain just being logical here)
But again im just talking as a member im not a diplomat or anything.. ofcourse if i was none of this would have happend in the first place, but thats another story.
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Drilla
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Posted - 2005.12.29 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: Darcuese Edited by: Darcuese on 29/12/2005 11:21:37
Originally by: Drilla I wonder how many people would want to defend their investments ...
I for one am happy this is not far away from home as I have no problem in shooting CCC or any other fraction for that matter
Diplomacy..."scared" to lose some money?
I can barely afford the docking fees so no - I have not economic interrest
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2005.12.29 13:13:00 -
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ISS are taking a stance to protect their pilots from a group that are actively killing them, don't exactly see what the big deal with it myself.
Some people seem to be making out ISS are going to try and go on a rampage against every corp in eve.
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Darcuese
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Posted - 2005.12.29 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Serenity Steele The ISS will continue to remain true to our vision and shareholders, and act accordingly.
I hope you are not talking about touching special places
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Vantras
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Posted - 2005.12.29 15:01:00 -
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This CLEARLY seems to be an issue between IAC, ISS and CCC...this piling on, grand pronouncements of ISS losing credibilty etc. is comical! Appears to me that some pirate-types are just looking for an excuse to shoot at ISS industrialists.
The Marginis Outpost and soon to be Borealis Outpost are quite amazing developments in the world of EVE. If you think back to EVE's release its rather amazing to think we would have come this far! ISS is a credit to EVE's amazing design and in many respects serves us all!
Lets leave em be, support thier projects, invest, trade etc. We all have plenty of legit targets-we dont need to take some low-burn dipolmatic incident and turn it into a free-for-all on a damn good alliance.
I think ISS gaining control of its public pronouncements is good idea-perhaps it can head off threads like this in the future before they degrade into the drama fest that has unfolded here.
Good luck ISS in continuing to fullfill your vision-hopefully the rest of us are wise enough to support you rather then look for another excuse to shoot someone for killboard glory...
Vantras
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Archa
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Posted - 2005.12.29 15:32:00 -
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i wonder why shareholders never get any information about this and why they don't get the chance to ever vote on these kind of decissions.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2005.12.29 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Serenity Steele [ It is determined by the measure of activites it performs in the game. Since the ISS's inception, the management have without fail been true to the ISS charter and investors in the ISS outposts, in every action, plan and word.
Attempts such as this post of sabotage, derailment, blackmail and slander are nothing more than exactly those actions - temporary, false and with no impact on the ISS's goal.
Since you weren't online at the time, I'll repeat my earlier point. If you want the log of Count flatly contradicting the above and instructing an ISS Naval operation against a territorial alliance, I'll evemail it to you.
"I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked." |
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RotatoR
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Posted - 2005.12.29 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Count TaSessine CCC is like Sudden Death Squad alliance or VIRII or ++, all KOS to ISS because they are pirates.
JZV. I am living in this small constellation my whole virtual EVE life. Over 8 months. With dozens of friends from our RMN (Star Kingdom of Manticore, mostly Czech and Slovak corp) and other friendly corps. Nobody can lie about us as we are pirates. We have never been them. Now IAC came here to build their POS. In RNF system, where Arkonor is. They thinked that we will suicide, discard subscribtions or fly to Empire without any action? There are two forces, one defending its homeland and second pretending it wants to be neutral but also wants to conquer new land. I still can`t understand why so neutral force as ISS was, wants to change its way of life.
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Beringe
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Posted - 2005.12.29 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: Amthrianius Kick Baldour Ngarr from the alliance.
They did state that he had no business putting out press releases for ISS, at least.
Although, if I were him, I'd be backpedalling really hard right now, trying to retract/apologize for that statement. ------------------------------------------- Sometimes, I wake up but keep on dreaming. |
dantes inferno
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Posted - 2005.12.29 16:55:00 -
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mud slinging? i think not..for it to be mud slinging would be me saying stuff with no grounding...ill even list the facts to back up what i said
issue 1: the infamous bob incident where u massive security gaps caused problems with the alliance and led to your contract been cancled
issue 2: placing unauthorised POS in SA space..which though removed and apologised over..still damages your credibility
issue 3: the blackmail attempt..though not your fault..still damages your credibility
issue 4: this post.
and thats without me even keeping tabs or specificaly reading ISS threads..i would love to see this project work as would many others..but if you guys dont screw the nut you will loose the one thing you need to make it work..the good will and coporation of all 0.0 alliances...if you annoy enough people it wont matter how much share holders you have. _____
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Imran
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Posted - 2005.12.29 17:54:00 -
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Edited by: Imran on 29/12/2005 17:54:21 The babylon project was our last best hope for peace...then it failed *insert drums * bablyon 5 music*
^.^
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.12.29 18:38:00 -
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ISS 4tw, Hire the MC! -------------
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DaeMon ix
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Posted - 2005.12.29 18:50:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Serenity Steele [ It is determined by the measure of activites it performs in the game. Since the ISS's inception, the management have without fail been true to the ISS charter and investors in the ISS outposts, in every action, plan and word.
Attempts such as this post of sabotage, derailment, blackmail and slander are nothing more than exactly those actions - temporary, false and with no impact on the ISS's goal.
Since you weren't online at the time, I'll repeat my earlier point. If you want the log of Count flatly contradicting the above and instructing an ISS Naval operation against a territorial alliance, I'll evemail it to you.
* * * yes please Baldour I for one would like to see the true stance of these people who smile while sticking in the knives .. either evemail it me or better yet post it here so everyone can judge it and them !
Oh and the guy who said so what its no big deal ... what about when ISS decide YOUR little piece of space is one they or their friends like, will it STILL be no big deal to you ? I think not. They have shown over and over again elsewhere that they can not be trusted totally as others have found before us, friends to your face and plotting it seems behind your back. I think shareholders should consider a change of management personally, but then I am not a shareholder thankfully.
And Rawne, much as I regret the turn things have taken I feel your invasion was unnecessary in the extreme, sorry but I am loyal to my comrades and be sure we WILL fight in every way we can, little as we are by comparison to you still we have and will continue to sting you whenever and wherever we can; be very sure of that indeed. There is more than one way to skin a cat and you will experience them all ultimately.
Dx POS Director
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PoliceConstable
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Posted - 2005.12.29 19:40:00 -
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if we are fired on by an entity, we set them negative standings and fire back. JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER 0.0 ALLIANCE IN EVE! CCC fired on us first. now they are negative. negative standing means guns unlocked, no speak english, f1...f2...f3. IAC have not fired on us. they are neutral to us, therefore. therefore, we do not fire on them.
It seems to me that CCC dosent want us to shoot them, yet wants to continue shooting us? Certainly of CCC wants peace then one of the myriad of ISS diplomats can see to it. But never forget that podding our leader = killing an iss member, = being made KOS to ISS. we dont shoot neutrals, only hostiles.
PoliceConstable, ISS Navy Commander
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Equin
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Posted - 2005.12.29 20:01:00 -
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Edited by: Equin on 29/12/2005 20:02:44 Edited by: Equin on 29/12/2005 20:01:23
Originally by: PoliceConstable if we are fired on by an entity, we set them negative standings and fire back. JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER 0.0 ALLIANCE IN EVE! CCC fired on us first. now they are negative. negative standing means guns unlocked, no speak english, f1...f2...f3. IAC have not fired on us. they are neutral to us, therefore. therefore, we do not fire on them.
It seems to me that CCC dosent want us to shoot them, yet wants to continue shooting us? Certainly of CCC wants peace then one of the myriad of ISS diplomats can see to it. But never forget that podding our leader = killing an iss member, = being made KOS to ISS. we dont shoot neutrals, only hostiles.
PoliceConstable, ISS Navy Commander
Oh sorry, so, when someone puts a POS in your space knowing it's claimed by you, you're not allowed to shoot them? Hell, we didn't even shoot you when you did that, we asked you and talked to you for hours until we started shooting. And then you took the damn thing away. And started sending raiding parties, supporting our enemies, throwing mud at us in forum threads and so on. At least the topic starter knows what's going on here :) ------------- If you're interested in joining a great PvP geared 0.0 corporation, try this one. linkage |
PoliceConstable
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Posted - 2005.12.29 20:10:00 -
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Lol, the way I understand it, it was in the process of being taken done (which takes a couple hours, i will let you know) and count was in negotiations. the system was not officially claimed; the placers of the pos did not know that it was unnofficially claimed until you told them. at the time of the incident your alliance was not an IGA. if you want peace, speak with an ISS diplomat. if you dont, they obviously you enjoy fighting as much as I do, and so should take the fight and enjoy it and stop whining:) you guys fired on us while in negotiations, while we were unanchoring a pos. entities which fire on ISS are set negative. To regain your neutral standings, you should cease aggressions against ISS personell and contact an ISS diplomat (in this case, count should probably be talked to but I will do it if neccessary, as will any iss diplomat) and we can discuss your standings to ISS.
if you dont want peace then I wish you luck in your future ventures. have a nice evening mates.
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Darcuese
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Posted - 2005.12.29 20:20:00 -
[130]
Edited by: Darcuese on 29/12/2005 20:19:52
Originally by: PoliceConstable if we are fired on by an entity, we set them negative standings and fire back. JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER 0.0 ALLIANCE IN EVE!
But you are not like every other alliance nore you should be...and Count said no more posting by ISS guys here
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Equin
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Posted - 2005.12.29 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: PoliceConstable Lol, the way I understand it, it was in the process of being taken done (which takes a couple hours, i will let you know) and count was in negotiations.
No, it was not in the process of being taken down as I have said time after time. They started doing that an hour after the shooting.
Originally by: PoliceConstable
the system was not officially claimed; the placers of the pos did not know that it was unnofficially claimed until you told them. at the time of the incident your alliance was not an IGA.
It wasn't an IGA, but a week before the incident we had a long talk with the CEO that put the POS there. He wasn't with ISS at the time and asked us if he could put a POS there. We said no, you can't. Then he joined ISS and put it there anyways, despite us telling him that he still wouldn't be allowed to do that if he were in ISS.
Originally by: PoliceConstable if you want peace, speak with an ISS diplomat. if you dont, they obviously you enjoy fighting as much as I do, and so should take the fight and enjoy it and stop whining:) you guys fired on us while in negotiations, while we were unanchoring a pos. entities which fire on ISS are set negative. To regain your neutral standings, you should cease aggressions against ISS personell and contact an ISS diplomat (in this case, count should probably be talked to but I will do it if neccessary, as will any iss diplomat) and we can discuss your standings to ISS.
What do you think i've been the past days?! We are at war with IAC, do you think we want to take ISS down along with us? It seems to be the other way around here. Only you're making it seem that we're the 'bad guys' in this scenario.
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2005.12.29 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: Imran Edited by: Imran on 29/12/2005 17:54:21 The babylon project was our last best hope for peace...then it failed *insert drums * bablyon 5 music*
^.^
its funny you should mention that, im listening to christopher franke stuff right now :]
still a bit annoyed the first neutral outpost wasn't named Babylon 6 or something, Marginis is just a terrible name
its like what.. marginal profit? marginal importance.. dont get it :[
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Angry Dan
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Posted - 2005.12.29 21:39:00 -
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If you 3 would like someone neutral to help sort this out, we are, and I would be willing. ++++++++++++++++++++ Founder member of the Huzzah Federation. Remember, the grass is greener on our side of the fence Widowmakers director Fear my kneepads of allure!
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Cleaner Renaelc
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Posted - 2005.12.29 21:52:00 -
[134]
Mkay, ive read some mumbo jumbo from this thread but still dont have the conclusion: whom do I set to -10?
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.12.29 22:02:00 -
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"still a bit annoyed the first neutral outpost wasn't named Babylon 6 or something, Marginis is just a terrible name
its like what.. marginal profit? marginal importance.. dont get it :["
"marginis" means "edge" in latin; guess the thought behind it was along lines of "the rim of civilized area in 0.0 space" or something like that. Kind of like Mare Marginis is on the edge between the near and far side of the Moon o.O
("borealis" being in the North is easier to guess ^^;;
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Xendie
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Posted - 2005.12.30 00:15:00 -
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Originally by: Count TaSessine It is not representative because I honest to god don't know what the heck Baldour is smoking at the moment. We operate like we always have done. We go about our business, defend against pirates etc. His post makes it sound like we're going to war against someone. CCC is like Sudden Death Squad alliance or VIRII or ++, all KOS to ISS because they are pirates.
and why are there a pilot named Ookke or soemthing like that who are a member of ISS pirating in aunenen on a regular basis? ISS are no better then anyone else, they take sides and pirate also.
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Originally by: F'nog This would be great, because lag is not at all a problem currently.
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Ziphorah
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Posted - 2005.12.30 04:28:00 -
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helo!! i am an alt!!
I AM HERE TO TELL EVERYONE THE TRUTH ABOUT HOW THIS STARTED.
it all began with a certain corp wanting to mine ark and a inexitent aliance claiming to claim the sistem (RNF-). everyone thought CCC was all talk so "the corp" went ahead and put a POS in RNF. turned out they were mistaken. CCC backed up what they sais they would do and SHOT at the pos while ancoring and the haulers carring the stuff (no losses that i know of). then ISS gets involved and sends in a force to try to scare CCC. that makes mater even worse and they lock the sistem with bubles. after lots of talk they decide to take the pos down since they see there wont be peace there.
NOW THIS IS WHAT NOONE KNOWS:
it is aranged for ISS fleet to leave UNHAMED IF they warp to the gate 1 by 1. but COUNT was rushed because of real life issues and ignored the guidelines. CCC again did what they said they would and killed ISS (ugly sight). in the midle of the confusion guess who gets poded (head full of implants) and looses a shiny RAVEN. thats right COUNT again. so as u see ladies and gentlenman this is a personal vendeta that COUNT wants to persue. he wants reparations and CCC wont do it (corectly in my opinion). so then the rest u guys know... ISS sends in periodic guerila ataks, puts CCC on KOS, etc... then IAC comes in and read the forum to know this part of the story.
i think everyone (specialy count) should just FORGUET all about that 1 day in RNF, beacuse theres too much on the line here. IAC and CCC should be left to decide by themselfs the fait of RNF (or whoever else is interested). ISS should become neutral to everyone again.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2005.12.30 05:01:00 -
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Originally by: Beringe
Originally by: Amthrianius Kick Baldour Ngarr from the alliance.
They did state that he had no business putting out press releases for ISS, at least.
Although, if I were him, I'd be backpedalling really hard right now, trying to retract/apologize for that statement.
Why would he be trying to retract the truth or apologise for telling it? As a shareholder in both outposts and a citizen of EVE, I think the world at large has a right to know what decisions are being made by the people running the outposts. Even the ones they asked us to keep quiet because it could make ISS look bad.
Someone got the satisfaction of booting me from the alliance, because I was asleep when the 24 hour waiting time expired... saves me having to right-click and select "leave", is about all that achieves.
"I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked." |
Anon Alt
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Posted - 2005.12.30 06:13:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Why would he be trying to retract the truth or apologise for telling it? As a shareholder in both outposts and a citizen of EVE, I think the world at large has a right to know what decisions are being made by the people running the outposts. Even the ones they asked us to keep quiet because it could make ISS look bad.
You have a good point there mate... And more peeps should be patting you on the back, and thanking you.
Sorry I couldnt post with my main, but at least you will know some peeps think you did the right thing and support you.
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Kage Getsu
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Posted - 2005.12.30 08:55:00 -
[140]
This is going to get interesting.
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Heikki
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Posted - 2005.12.30 10:11:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Why would he be trying to retract the truth or apologise for telling it?
Because, either out of some grudge, or pure stupidity, you made the original post look like it was official statement from ISS, intended to cause bad will towards ISS.
Perhaps you believe that a) ISS is handling IAC/CCC conflict wrongly, and b) ISS may get involved in such conflicts in the future. If so, feel free to state that as your opinion.
Now you are basicly implying, that what ever alliance/corp you join in the future, you have right to sabotage them if you believe one of them did something you don't like.
If you think you have right to evemail your chat logs with Count to folks, you may as well post them, or a link to them, here: nothing on Forum rules or Iceland laws forbids that.
As in summary, it's good to have these things told to public; but it was your choice to do it scummy way.
-Lasse
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Kastar
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Posted - 2005.12.30 10:35:00 -
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Originally by: PoliceConstable JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER 0.0 ALLIANCE IN EVE!
Wasn't the point of ISS exactly the contrary, so not to act like the "other alliances ?
Pirates, gankers, nasty women are everywhere and give problems everywhere, be it 0.0, Jita or the average lowsec kindegarten. Firing back is defense, hunting someone is offense and not neutral anymore.
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Berneh
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Posted - 2005.12.30 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: jarack GO ISSN IM SURE YOU CAN SAVE THEM
ROBIN ! TO THE BATMOBILE !
Twinkle Twinkle little star , can i macro your veldspar |
Budz Fergie
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Posted - 2005.12.30 11:51:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Cleaner Renaelc Mkay, ive read some mumbo jumbo from this thread but still dont have the conclusion: whom do I set to -10?
When in doubt, everybody!
Skidmark Smellybum > you shot him? Silas McQueen > yeah, mr Budz over there wasted us. Silas McQueen > we were feeling headstrong. |
Beringe
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Posted - 2005.12.30 12:40:00 -
[145]
Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Why would he be trying to retract the truth or apologise for telling it?
As a diplomat, I know that the truth isn't always in my organization's best interest.
Of course, if you were trying to hurt ISS: Well done, mission accomplished. ------------------------------------------- Sometimes, I wake up but keep on dreaming. |
Darcuese
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Posted - 2005.12.30 12:56:00 -
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Edited by: Darcuese on 30/12/2005 12:56:41
Originally by: Beringe
As a diplomat, I know that the truth isn't always in my organization's best interest.
Of course, if you were trying to hurt ISS: Well done, mission accomplished.
Yep, the truth can often hurt those that are involved.
Diplomacy might try to make damage as less as posibile with :
A) to admit sometimes you did wrong thing (hard to step out and tell that)
B) Keep thing silent and hope it will be forgaten
C) Try to twist reality with words and talk.
I ask you which of this options are most rarely used? (and yet, somehow has best positive output in the end)
My pick is A) [ 2005.12.13 23:48:43 ]--Pilot from north:"we dont want to fight due to server crash and we want a fiar fight with you guys, just dont jump in". |
Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2005.12.30 13:13:00 -
[147]
End result of this thread:
ISS are defending themselves against people who kill anyone who enters territory they claim but can't hold.
I personally would lose respect for ISS if they let people get away with podding their leader like that, rushed exit or not, maybe it is personal, but it should be personal for everyone in the alliance, not just for him.
CCC aren't incompetent pvpers, but are utterly incompetent diplomats.
Baldour Ngarr is a total jerk.
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2005.12.30 13:16:00 -
[148]
lalalalalalalalala
see, i just contributed nothing to this thread.
"We brake for nobody"
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Beringe
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Posted - 2005.12.30 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: Darcuese
My pick is A)
It's a toss-up between A or C for me. Option A is damage-control, of course (and I did mention it in my earlier post, as the apology option, although I'm pretty sure you don't mean it in the same way).
But truthfully (and yes, I do see the irony in what I am saying), sometimes it is simply best that the whole truth doesn't come out. It's a harsh fact of reality, and dignitaries and other official spokesmen cannot blissfully ignore it. Call me Machiavellian for saying so, but going for option A can often be taken more for weakness than moral strength.
As for most rarely used of the three options? I'll say B. Even the most tight-lipped of factions will at least attempt to do some sort of damage control or spin.
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Darcuese
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Posted - 2005.12.30 13:21:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Beringe
(sorry for semi-derailment of the thread, btw)
Even though Im not sure about meaning of the "derailment" world, I do suspect what it might be and there for suspect that some would even thank you for that
Happy New Year everybody [ 2005.12.13 23:48:43 ]--Pilot from north:"we dont want to fight due to server crash and we want a fiar fight with you guys, just dont jump in". |
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Dammar
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Posted - 2005.12.30 14:20:00 -
[151]
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk End result of this thread:
ISS are defending themselves against people who kill anyone who enters territory they claim but can't hold.
I personally would lose respect for ISS if they let people get away with podding their leader like that, rushed exit or not, maybe it is personal, but it should be personal for everyone in the alliance, not just for him.
CCC aren't incompetent pvpers, but are utterly incompetent diplomats.
Baldour Ngarr is a total jerk.
You know we had discusions about you in particular yesterday(because we are friendly toward your alliance..they are in our space all the time and know they are welcome), and as a result we sent our diplomat to see if we are still friends. Apparently your alliance's response was "We don't know what he's smoking."
So i'd like to ask just what the hell are you smoking? :)
Anyway, I'd suggest you stop talking about that which you obviously know nothing of. Forum troll just isn't your forte.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2005.12.30 14:22:00 -
[152]
My opinions are of great relevance, and I'm really smart.
You may all worship me now.
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Astarte Nosferatu
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Posted - 2005.12.30 15:36:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk My opinions are of great relevance, and I'm really smart.
You may all worship me now.
Oh but we already do, Lady Thorrk. /me bows.
------------------------------------------ Member of the [23] Follower of the Blood Revolution. Sani Sabik.
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Dr Happy
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Posted - 2005.12.30 17:12:00 -
[154]
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk End result of this thread:
ISS are defending themselves against people who kill anyone who enters territory they claim but can't hold.
I personally would lose respect for ISS if they let people get away with podding their leader like that, rushed exit or not, maybe it is personal, but it should be personal for everyone in the alliance, not just for him.
CCC aren't incompetent pvpers, but are utterly incompetent diplomats.
Baldour Ngarr is a total jerk.
you really have no right to talk be WE DON'T SHOOT YOU IN ARE TERRITORY ISS hasn't exactly treated us with respect either and I admit up till now are diplomance has been lacking
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Boonaki
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Posted - 2005.12.30 21:40:00 -
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I'm more worried about the future of ISS. Love what they've been able to do, but I could see this raising some serious issues. Fear the Ibis of doom. |
Dr Happy
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Posted - 2005.12.30 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Boonaki I'm more worried about the future of ISS. Love what they've been able to do, but I could see this raising some serious issues.
I think most of this is jsut a mistake at least I hope so
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Kaell Meynn
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Posted - 2005.12.31 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: Vantras This CLEARLY seems to be an issue between IAC, ISS and CCC...this piling on, grand pronouncements of ISS losing credibilty etc. is comical! Appears to me that some pirate-types are just looking for an excuse to shoot at ISS industrialists.Vantras
And the shareholders of ISS, who come from corps across the galaxy, and members of alliances who support ISS politically.
When you are publicly funded and traded, and supported by outside entities other than yourself politically... well... others are going to have something to say when ya screw up.
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Drhappysacountant
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Posted - 2005.12.31 22:55:00 -
[158]
you poeple should really stop talking about this it's just an argument between 3 allainces
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Sergeant Spot
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Posted - 2006.01.01 02:21:00 -
[159]
Question for morons:
If you have "neutral" policy, fighting only against attacks, and you are attacked, if you shoot back, does that mean you have abandoned your policy???
(The moron answer is "yes". The non-moron answer is "no")
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DevilFox
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Posted - 2006.01.01 04:26:00 -
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Originally by: KSUDruid
Originally by: Count TaSessine It is not representative because I honest to god don't know what the heck Baldour is smoking at the moment.
Ah Hah! OK, then in that case I'll STFU, you got a lot of Damage Control to get started on, quick
Going down like Enron. Thing is tho the people of eve are the judge and the jury.
Hang much?
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FowlPlayChiken
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Posted - 2006.01.01 06:11:00 -
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iss abandoms neurtal posistoon and takes up one bent oveer!
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Lokan Dohar
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Posted - 2006.01.01 15:10:00 -
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Intersting set of threads in this portion of the forums.
Me I'm just an idiotic noob, but there are some RL skills which are not quite so noobish...
Just me or anyone else notice that Baldour (formerly of ISS) and Vex (formerly of CCC) are now both in the same corp (Aliastra)?
I always love a good conspiracy theory story, carry on.
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Dyvim Slorm
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Posted - 2006.01.01 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Lokan Dohar
Just me or anyone else notice that Baldour (formerly of ISS) and Vex (formerly of CCC) are now both in the same corp (Aliastra)?
Just for info, Aliastra is one of the noob corps. You revert back to your starting noob corp when you leave a player run corp.
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Bronna
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:11:00 -
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A few days back I bought some items at Marginis and was negotiating a raven purchase when, upon undocking a day later, was attacked by ISS Navy trigger happy members for absolutely no reason (good thing those guys don't pvp too well :P). I managed to get back into base intact until i negotiated a way out with the station directors. Apparently my corp was set to negative standing (this happened roughly an hour after my being shot at btw, because I was somehow able to dock for the usual 5K fee beforehand) for supposed 'pirating' in system. I have never pirated within the system, and being around the area for a few weeks, haven't even seen a member of my corp- and i most certainly did not see any corp memeber in the system during that hour lol. Out of anger at such injustice, as I left system I ambushed a poorly led hauler/barge fleet en route to the base 2 jumps from actual Marginis system (Manticore ftw). So I ask: why, if my corp was accused of pirating before my visit, could I dock without any problems? I received no warning of status change. Did the ISS simply forget about RA negative standing until I 'reminded' them? I don't know....this neutrality thing looks like a sham (or a way to get back at me for surviving the initial ISS Navy attack :p) and until I get access to my items, I just may take it upon myself to assemble small anti-ISS blockades in the area. ----------------------------------------------- And we shall pwn. |
Maltrox
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:19:00 -
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Mumbo Jumbo, Tippity Tap Those with no knowledge, shut your yap.
Diplomacy and fallacy, these two for sure, Flat out war, why that is not a cure.
Sweet whispers of love and sharing one's ground, Rather than rumours and ill wishes 'round.
In other words.....
Matlrox's Guide to Happy Happy Times
1) Obtain peace pipe. 2) Stuff said peace pipe with some of that good stuff. 3) Light up said peace pipe. 4) Gather conflicting parties 'round 5) Puff, puff, pass (to the left) 6) When pipe is empty, refill. 7) Continue smoking of said pipe until peaceful resolution achieved
Serves: As many as necessary
Tasty options: Try baking chocolate brownies with lo-fat icing as a healthy alternative.
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dantes inferno
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Posted - 2006.01.01 19:26:00 -
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Quote: few days back I bought some items at Marginis and was negotiating a raven purchase when, upon undocking a day later, was attacked by ISS Navy trigger happy members for absolutely no reason (good thing those guys don't pvp too well :P). I managed to get back into base intact until i negotiated a way out with the station directors. Apparently my corp was set to negative standing (this happened roughly an hour after my being shot at btw, because I was somehow able to dock for the usual 5K fee beforehand) for supposed 'pirating' in system. I have never pirated within the system, and being around the area for a few weeks, haven't even seen a member of my corp- and i most certainly did not see any corp memeber in the system during that hour lol. Out of anger at such injustice, as I left system I ambushed a poorly led hauler/barge fleet en route to the base 2 jumps from actual Marginis system (Manticore ftw). So I ask: why, if my corp was accused of pirating before my visit, could I dock without any problems? I received no warning of status change. Did the ISS simply forget about RA negative standing until I 'reminded' them? I don't know....this neutrality thing looks like a sham (or a way to get back at me for surviving the initial ISS Navy attack :p) and until I get access to my items, I just may take it upon myself to assemble small anti-ISS blockades in the area.
ISS CONSPIRACY THEORY 345678: the ISS navy attacked you out of boredom (its obvious ISS cant control their members/member corps contrary to claims they do)...then reported to their command you attacked them..then to justify their change in standings came up with a load of BS _____
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Able Citizen
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Posted - 2006.01.01 21:29:00 -
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What trouble is caused by under-developed thinking resulting in memetic infection! Our universe is free and space is free to all. Enclosurism should be eschewed by freeing yourselves of the imperialist leanings.
If five different corps place a POS in the same system, who is really threatened? Defend against pirates and co-exist successfully!
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Lebela
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Posted - 2006.01.02 05:31:00 -
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After reading all replies to this post I have to agree about this being an interesting set of events. I'll have to set my DVR to record everything, like I do my favorite soap's. Being the gossip hound I am, seems the IAC POS that was taken down the other day was done by a spy. Granted security should have been tighter, but if CCC needs spys to help take down POS's, I guess they can't do the job themselves. And since we are on the subject of not being able to do the job themselves, seems there is a rumor CCC is in the process of hiring a certain well known merc corp to come in and run IAC out of RNF. This rumor was futher backed up when some of the residents of RNF put a small force into G-7, but all CCC could do was hide at their POS. This would lead someone to think their mindset is "why take the chance of losing assets, when our hired mercs will handle them". Interesting times ahead indead. |
ChaosHybrid
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Posted - 2006.01.02 12:27:00 -
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Edited by: ChaosHybrid on 02/01/2006 12:28:45 Bronna - you ca now proceed to tell everyone what really happened now. If you like that is or would it hurt your ego?
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TheKiller8
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Posted - 2006.01.02 17:39:00 -
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What you say
Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Interstellar Starbase Syndicate has long maintained a position of neutrality towards all alliances claiming territory in 0.0. This policy has now been abandoned.
ISS declares its support for the Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate, which is contesting space in Catch with the Commonwealth Alliance. ISSN pilots have been instructed to assist IAC in defence of its assets in the area.
In galactic terms, this is a small step involving a small conflict, but it may well be the start of a trend in which ISS take actively aggressive measures against those alliances which will not allow its pilots free passage through such areas as Providence and Pure Blind. All such alliances are advised to take note.
What we read
Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
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PoliceConstable
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Posted - 2006.01.02 17:56:00 -
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actually, all of red alliance is hostile for repeated aggressions. since docking rights are sorted corp to corp, we did not know of your corporations membership to RA until you docked. when it was reported that a RA corp could dock, docking rights were removed.
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Lo3d3R
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Posted - 2006.01.02 19:18:00 -
[172]
I'm going to shoot your space station.
~official statement~
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Equin
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Posted - 2006.01.02 20:48:00 -
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I'm happy to announce that CCC had new negotiations with ISS today. After resolving an unfortunate incident from the past between ISS and CCC, ISS has agreed to grant CCC access to the margins outpost again. In return CCC has given ISS limited access to their space. Furthermore, CCC and ISS are planning to work together even closer in the future to secure the outpost and a number of solarsystems. As for the war CCC has with IAC - ISS will remain neutral in this conflict in the future, and CCC pilots will be instructed not to fire on IAC pilots in the KDF-GY system, which is the location of ISS Margins. ------------- If you're interested in joining a great PvP geared 0.0 corporation, try this one. linkage |
Count TaSessine
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Posted - 2006.01.02 21:03:00 -
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Indeed, we are happy to confirm that CCC have chosen to pay us reimbursements for the ship losses ISS incurred during the incident which has been so amply discussed in this thread. With this concession, and a mutual NAP, we consider the case closed.
Chairman, ISS
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.01.02 21:24:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 02/01/2006 21:25:04
Originally by: Count TaSessine Indeed, we are happy to confirm that CCC have chosen to pay us reimbursements for the ship losses ISS incurred during the incident which has been so amply discussed in this thread. With this concession, and a mutual NAP, we consider the case closed.
Originally by: Equin I'm happy to announce that CCC had new negotiations with ISS today. After resolving an unfortunate incident from the past between ISS and CCC, ISS has agreed to grant CCC access to the margins outpost again. In return CCC has given ISS limited access to their space. Furthermore, CCC and ISS are planning to work together even closer in the future to secure the outpost and a number of solarsystems. As for the war CCC has with IAC - ISS will remain neutral in this conflict in the future, and CCC pilots will be instructed not to fire on IAC pilots in the KDF-GY system, which is the location of ISS Margins.
Nice work, ISS.
Perhaps this whole incicident will actually cause investors to gain trust in you, rather than lose it.
I, for one, will hold onto my shares. - Proud member of the [23].
The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.
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Oisin
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Posted - 2006.01.02 22:04:00 -
[176]
Originally by: Dyvim Slorm
Originally by: Lokan Dohar
Just me or anyone else notice that Baldour (formerly of ISS) and Vex (formerly of CCC) are now both in the same corp (Aliastra)?
Just for info, Aliastra is one of the noob corps. You revert back to your starting noob corp when you leave a player run corp.
Don't let the facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory ;)
Oisin former member of Aliastra
Placid Reborn is Recruiting
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Dammar
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Posted - 2006.01.02 23:34:00 -
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Originally by: Oisin
Originally by: Dyvim Slorm
Originally by: Lokan Dohar
Just me or anyone else notice that Baldour (formerly of ISS) and Vex (formerly of CCC) are now both in the same corp (Aliastra)?
Just for info, Aliastra is one of the noob corps. You revert back to your starting noob corp when you leave a player run corp.
Don't let the facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory ;)
Oisin former member of Aliastra
Vex wasn't in CCC, guess you'll have to let that slide too. :)
It was his alt that was apparently, and he never said the name. :P
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DeMundus
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Posted - 2006.01.03 01:19:00 -
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C'mon ISS you know you can't move around in catch/providence without me having an eye out for you
Regards DeMundus
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Berneh
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Posted - 2006.01.03 02:04:00 -
[179]
Originally by: DeMundus C'mon ISS you know you can't move around in catch/providence without me having an eye out for you
Regards DeMundus
If you have an eye out let me know which one it is , i'll come at you from the other side
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2006.01.03 08:12:00 -
[180]
Originally by: Dammar CCC was officially created recently(it was just a formality), but we've still been there for 8 months never the less and have lived there, in peace, with the co-op of at least 2 other alliances and a handfull of corps.
Hahah, so you found a little black hole and got this shiny ship named Andr... wait is Hercules going to kill me too?
Azuriel Talloth: If it ain't broke, change it so it mildly annoys the playerbase |
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Jacob Majestic
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Posted - 2006.01.03 18:09:00 -
[181]
Originally by: Bronna A few days back I bought some items at Marginis and was negotiating a raven purchase when, upon undocking a day later, was attacked by ISS Navy trigger happy members for absolutely no reason (good thing those guys don't pvp too well :P). I managed to get back into base intact until i negotiated a way out with the station directors. Apparently my corp was set to negative standing (this happened roughly an hour after my being shot at btw, because I was somehow able to dock for the usual 5K fee beforehand) for supposed 'pirating' in system. I have never pirated within the system, and being around the area for a few weeks, haven't even seen a member of my corp- and i most certainly did not see any corp memeber in the system during that hour lol. Out of anger at such injustice, as I left system I ambushed a poorly led hauler/barge fleet en route to the base 2 jumps from actual Marginis system (Manticore ftw). So I ask: why, if my corp was accused of pirating before my visit, could I dock without any problems? I received no warning of status change. Did the ISS simply forget about RA negative standing until I 'reminded' them? I don't know....this neutrality thing looks like a sham (or a way to get back at me for surviving the initial ISS Navy attack :p) and until I get access to my items, I just may take it upon myself to assemble small anti-ISS blockades in the area.
I am not speaking on behalf of my alliance. My words are my own and I am relating only events I have personally witnessed.
In my experience, the Red Alliance and their friends have the tendency to go all shotty-shotty when stumbling across ISS convoys in the Curse pipe. This has unfortunately led to the RA being set to -10 standings with ISS. However, IIRC you can't set standings to an entire alliance, just to their member corps individually, which has led to situations such as these. The ISS would be more than happy to have RA members shopping and docking in KDF-GY; however, if RA doesn't play ball, then that leaves ISS with few options other than setting them to KOS.
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Lygos
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Posted - 2006.01.04 06:09:00 -
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For the record, I just want to say I had nothing to do with orchestrating this. Probably.
Also, our CEO is kind of rabid. But he's OUR rabid CEO and we adore him.
=D
Btw, that was pretty cool that one morning (afternoon?) when I awakened to see a pair of Moros hammering away. They're very pretty I remember it vaguely:
"Hay guys, there's some big ships over here.. like shooting us to bits and stuff. Yah right. No rly. Rly? Yah rly. Some people called IAC? Ever heard of them? hahaha ur so full of crap Lygos. Heh, where's mah fleet? ahahahahahaha.. Don't worry, I can take them. Turn the stupid guns on or something. Oh right."
Eunoia: The persistent suspicion that the universe is secretly conspiring to quietly improve your life. |
Elendar
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Posted - 2006.01.05 17:46:00 -
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must come visit soon
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Jack Tau
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Posted - 2006.01.09 11:01:00 -
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Again, I'm not a representative of ISS, so this is just my 2 cents. Allthough I generally agree that ISS is neutral towards all that want it, we do have some members who have decided to attack other alliances. They are not the majority by a very long way, but they seem to get us all labelled with the Pirate sticker, and it's a little unfair.
The situation in catch though is possibly the vaugest situation I've ever been in. RA, for example, seem on the whole to want to be friends with us, and I get on well with a lot of them, but at the same time there gate camps on one of the main routes to Marginis from empire dont care if we are friends or not. We have lost several ships to them, and been actively hunted around those systems too.
This is the same with most of the alliances around there, wether they admit it or not. So here we are trying to run a T2 manufacturing line to supply the entire eve galaxy with produce that they want, and then they come and shoot us down with the kit. People complain about us taking the offensive on the odd occasion, whilst blowing up our haulers at the same time. And with the huge slew of new T2 components and ships that have come with RMR you are going to need every POS there is to keep the market running(Wait till T2 BS's come out, you'll be crying for ferrogel then).
Enkidu Production Manager
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