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Serenity Steele
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Posted - 2005.12.29 12:41:00 -
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Edited by: Serenity Steele on 29/12/2005 12:42:08 In the event that there is any outstanding confusion over who represents the ISS Alliance in forum discussion, the ISS charter specifically states only Count TaSessine and Serenity Steele are authorised to represent the ISS:
External Communication - Only the Chairman and Executor may represent the ISS. - No corporation or their members may speak on behalf of the ISS or represent the ISS in public forums or other form of diplomacy without prior consent.
I invite the Eve Community to enjoy all non-official posts regarding ISS Diplomacy as accounts of conspiracy theory, mis-information and fiction they are.
All shares Sold
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Darcuese
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Posted - 2005.12.29 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: Serenity Steele
I invite the Eve Community to enjoy all non-official posts regarding ISS Diplomacy as accounts of conspiracy theory, mis-information and fiction they are.
thank you very much for invitation. Any chance of getting free drinks or food? [ 2005.12.13 23:48:43 ]--Pilot from north:"we dont want to fight due to server crash and we want a fiar fight with you guys, just dont jump in". |
Serenity Steele
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Posted - 2005.12.29 12:58:00 -
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Originally by: Darcuese thank you very much for invitation. Any chance of getting free drinks or food?
I'll see what I can do about arranging Protein delicacies, spirits and wine at the ISS Outposts. Oh and some Quafe for the kids
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The End
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Posted - 2005.12.29 13:01:00 -
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Edited by: The End on 29/12/2005 13:01:34 you people have too many internal problems
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Rusom Rokath
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Posted - 2005.12.29 13:13:00 -
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so you're not being blackmailed?
As a Marginis shareholder, I'd appreciate it if you could at least get your diplomatic act together.
Thank you.
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M'Ar Duk
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Posted - 2005.12.29 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: Rusom Rokath so you're not being blackmailed?
As a Marginis shareholder, I'd appreciate it if you could at least get your diplomatic act together.
Thank you.
I do believe the possibility of blackmail requires a secret to be blackmailed over. If you're posting the letter from the blackmailer, it kind of obviates payments...
-------------------- [20:08:23] CapNMurphi > Who the hell is M'Ar Duk? [20:08:59] StormyWaters2021 > The sun god, who dwells inside me. [20:09:27] CapNMurphi > In front or in back? |
Serenity Steele
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Posted - 2005.12.29 14:15:00 -
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If you are at any time in doubt of the postings or comments about diplomacy of the ISS, All official ISS statements are hyperlinked from the News section of our public site and are only official if posted in the forums by Count TaSessine or myself. All shares Sold
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Duraeli
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Posted - 2005.12.29 14:29:00 -
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Sorry to hear you folks are going through this crap. Will be good to see everything get sorted. Good luck mate. ---------------------------------------------- Persona non grata |
Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2005.12.29 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Rusom Rokath so you're not being blackmailed?
As a Marginis shareholder, I'd appreciate it if you could at least get your diplomatic act together.
Thank you.
Someone tried to, but being an idiot, they tried to blackmail ISS by threatening to reveal a location that hasn't even been decided yet.
"I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked." |
Specops
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Posted - 2005.12.29 21:20:00 -
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Yay for damage control.
~Specops~ |
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Dash Ripcock
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Posted - 2005.12.29 22:51:00 -
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Originally by: The End Edited by: The End on 29/12/2005 13:01:34 you people have too many internal problems
That's not necessarily what's going on here.
One person gets angry/under influence and makes a post, said post is dismissed by those in official positions, ISS assume the stance they always have - neutrality. Just because one person screws up doesn't mean the whole wall will come crashing down.
Thanks for clearing things up ISS.
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Dr Happy
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Posted - 2005.12.29 22:57:00 -
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well anyway I wish to extend the first hand of peace to iss peace or leave each other alone we are happy with both
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Serenity Steele
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Posted - 2005.12.30 02:01:00 -
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Thanks for adding a voice of reason Dash.
Since the pilot in question is no longer in the ISS, It's quite amazing that the other thread won't die. It's enough to lose faith in the forums as an effective communication medium altogether. All shares Sold
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Josarian Lysandor
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Posted - 2005.12.30 02:23:00 -
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Forums as a tool should never be underestimated. But it is easy to put too much importance in them.
~Victory is the weakness of the enemy.
I began as ActiveX, I am no longer. I became Sobeseki Pawi, I will be no longer. |
Mirirar
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Posted - 2005.12.30 02:36:00 -
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I find it highly disturbing that you have so little control over your employees while your corp is entrusted with so much of your investor's isk.
Basically, I'm seeing a complete lack of process and control internally.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2005.12.30 05:06:00 -
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Originally by: Serenity Steele Thanks for adding a voice of reason Dash.
Since the pilot in question is no longer in the ISS, It's quite amazing that the other thread won't die. It's enough to lose faith in the forums as an effective communication medium altogether.
He still has access to your secure communications channels, though. Just be grateful I decided to unsubscribe from them since you can't figure out how to block people that shouldn't be there
"I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked." |
F'nog
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Posted - 2005.12.30 06:21:00 -
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Originally by: Darcuese
Originally by: Serenity Steele
I invite the Eve Community to enjoy all non-official posts regarding ISS Diplomacy as accounts of conspiracy theory, mis-information and fiction they are.
thank you very much for invitation. Any chance of getting free drinks or food?
Pan-galactic Gargle Blasters at 10 paces, shall we?
Originally by: rowbin hod Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage.
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Darcuese
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Posted - 2005.12.30 08:03:00 -
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Edited by: Darcuese on 30/12/2005 08:03:26
Originally by: Serenity Steele Thanks for adding a voice of reason Dash.
Since the pilot in question is no longer in the ISS, It's quite amazing that the other thread won't die. It's enough to lose faith in the forums as an effective communication medium altogether.
Why are you, so desperatly , trying to move ppl reading the forums as its only stupidity writen there?
I dont get what is the big hastle in other thread?
There was a thread starter pointing out particular situation regarding CCC, ISS guys and IAC (or IAS?)...and yes, he mentioned ISS possible losing neutrality.
But from that point there was mostly posting and communication between 3 parties involved in that incident. (with a few jumpings from others).
So you talked about it...and CCC were pointing out situation from their perspective...and that was only one that I could remember clearly. Other perspectives (ISS and IAS) wasnt so clear (variaty in statemnets-no matter if official or not).
So dont be surprised why ppl questioned your neutrality or not. There werent many smacking there and this isnt a smack. If ppl point their opinion and you dont like it...Does that have to be called allways a smack?
Camon...your own posting there made ppl questioned some things regarding how well ISS is doing.
And , fair deal, some things should be spoken only in game before beeing put on forums....but dont try to cover the trash if it apear (with nice and political talk)....cause dignity could be easily lost [ 2005.12.13 23:48:43 ]--Pilot from north:"we dont want to fight due to server crash and we want a fiar fight with you guys, just dont jump in". |
Rusom Rokath
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Posted - 2005.12.30 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Rusom Rokath so you were never blackmailed?
As a Marginis shareholder, I'd appreciate it if you could at least get your diplomatic act together.
Thank you.
Edited for more clarity, so maybe you'll understand I wasn't referring to the blackmail itself, but rather to the now apparent invalidity of the post about it. I need to remember that trying to be sarcastic on the internet is a waste of time.
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2005.12.30 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: Mirirar I find it highly disturbing that you have so little control over your employees while your corp is entrusted with so much of your investor's isk.
Basically, I'm seeing a complete lack of process and control internally.
And how do you expect them to control somone exaclty? Attach electrodes to them in RL etc?
ISS has alot of members and for the most part things run well. There will always be people who screw up either deliberatly to hurt ISS or through honest mistakes and at the end of the day you can't "control" anyone.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2005.12.30 13:17:00 -
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It's too bad public opinion has such great effect on an entity like ISS.
Gives idiots and trolls a lot more power than they deserve |
Darcuese
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Posted - 2005.12.30 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk It's too bad public opinion has such great effect on an entity like ISS.
Sorry for quoting such inteligent person without asking for permition...but..isnt ISS work-results mainly based on public opinions (alliances-plural that are living near ISS outposts in 0.0).
And those shares are mainly spread among those [ 2005.12.13 23:48:43 ]--Pilot from north:"we dont want to fight due to server crash and we want a fiar fight with you guys, just dont jump in". |
Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2005.12.30 13:36:00 -
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Of course they have some responsibility to their share-holders, but it's not the share-holders that run their alliance, and they do not really have any say in how ISS go about their business in my opinion.
If you don't trust ISS to handle their diplomacy and outposts profitably for you, don't buy shares.
Buying shares from them doesn't give you the right to meddle in how their alliance is run, any more than buying an account from CCP let's you decide how the game should be balanced...
Just my opinion, I know a lot of people think the shareholders should have more power, I'm just not one of them. |
j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.12.30 13:55:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 30/12/2005 13:56:17
"Of course they have some responsibility to their share-holders, but it's not the share-holders that run their alliance, and they do not really have any say in how ISS go about their business in my opinion.
If you don't trust ISS to handle their diplomacy and outposts profitably for you, don't buy shares."
It's a bit too late to advise that when the 180 degree change of course is being done after shares were sold, though... and they were sold based on very different premise. Sure, one can always try to sell shares they got, but there's no guarantee of even getting back the original investment since they might lose quite a bit of value thanks to the new politics.
A bit of like me getting money from you so i can build a Moros to mine with in Yulai and return you the profits... only to take it then out of sudden to PvP tournament and lose it against Chribba's mining barge, without ever asking you if you'd mind me doing that with your investment... (and pretty much your property)
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Darcuese
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Posted - 2005.12.30 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Just my opinion, I know a lot of people think the shareholders should have more power, I'm just not one of them.
Its not about shareholders having power to run alliance. Its about starting point where you put plan on the table that should (or not) give you capital input with selling shares.
If you follow your plan the way you present it to shareholders then there wouldnt be any problems no matter if you earn money or have losses. You did what you told you would.
But , if there is, even slight, change of original plan ...then shareholders should be given the chance to hear their voice if its ok or not.
I might be wrong here though. And then again, I might be right (not to mention of passing time on my job) [ 2005.12.13 23:48:43 ]--Pilot from north:"we dont want to fight due to server crash and we want a fiar fight with you guys, just dont jump in". |
Serenity Steele
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Posted - 2005.12.30 14:00:00 -
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Edited by: Serenity Steele on 30/12/2005 14:03:50
Originally by: Mirirar I find it highly disturbing that you have so little control over your employees while your corp is entrusted with so much of your investor's isk.
The ISS is not a corporation, it is an alliance made of many member corporations.
The Outpost Corporations that manage investor money contain exactly 2 characters, one owned by myself, and one owned by Count TaSessine. This is deliberately to ensure security of the funds.
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Astarte Nosferatu
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Posted - 2005.12.31 08:16:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Just my opinion, I know a lot of people think the shareholders should have more power, I'm just not one of them.
^^
------------------------------------------ Member of the [23] Follower of the Blood Revolution. Sani Sabik.
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Tony Fats
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Posted - 2005.12.31 09:12:00 -
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Originally by: Mirirar I find it highly disturbing that you have so little control over your employees while your corp is entrusted with so much of your investor's isk.
Basically, I'm seeing a complete lack of process and control internally.
How does one keep one's employees from posting under the influence. They already kicked him, what else should they have done?
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Wee Dave
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Posted - 2005.12.31 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Serenity Steele Edited by: Serenity Steele on 29/12/2005 12:42:08 In the event that there is any outstanding confusion over who represents the ISS Alliance in forum discussion, the ISS charter specifically states only Count TaSessine and Serenity Steele are authorised to represent the ISS:
External Communication - Only the Chairman and Executor may represent the ISS. - No corporation or their members may speak on behalf of the ISS or represent the ISS in public forums or other form of diplomacy without prior consent.
I invite the Eve Community to enjoy all non-official posts regarding ISS Diplomacy as accounts of conspiracy theory, mis-information and fiction they are.
What penalties are you applying to those who violate this rule? And what does the charter direct you to do in the event of a non-authorised poster using their position to cause meaningful damage to either host alliances or ISS member corporations?
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Logan Williams
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Posted - 2005.12.31 12:13:00 -
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I found a link to an article concerning EvE and a few other online games. I think it was on the main EvE-O page or perhaps the news as I was logging in. Anyway, it seems that CCP are quite proud of having an online example of a real life business (i.e. publicly owned with shares and whatnot.)
Anyway, due to the nature of ISS, I suggest finding a reliable press corospondant (<--- I spell terrible, sorry) and just making all official statements through the news. It would be alot easier for you guys to >state< something >>without chance of a rogue screw up<< if you didn't give a chance for discussion to cynical forum W***z like myself. |
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