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Serenity Steele	Posted - 2005.12.29 12:41:00 - [1] Edited by: Serenity Steele on 29/12/2005 12:42:08 In the event that there is any outstanding confusion over who represents the ISS Alliance in forum discussion, the ISS charter specifically states only Count TaSessine and Serenity Steele are authorised to represent the ISS: External Communication - Only the Chairman and Executor may represent the ISS. - No corporation or their members may speak on behalf of the ISS or represent the ISS in public forums or other form of diplomacy without prior consent. I invite the Eve Community to enjoy all non-official posts regarding ISS Diplomacy as accounts of conspiracy theory, mis-information and fiction they are. All shares Sold
Darcuese	Posted - 2005.12.29 12:48:00 - [2] Originally by: Serenity Steele I invite the Eve Community to enjoy all non-official posts regarding ISS Diplomacy as accounts of conspiracy theory, mis-information and fiction they are. thank you very much for invitation. Any chance of getting free drinks or food? [ 2005.12.13 23:48:43 ]--Pilot from north:"we dont want to fight due to server crash and we want a fiar fight with you guys, just dont jump in".
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2005.12.29 12:58:00 - [3] Originally by: Darcuese thank you very much for invitation. Any chance of getting free drinks or food? I'll see what I can do about arranging Protein delicacies, spirits and wine at the ISS Outposts. Oh and some Quafe for the kids All shares Sold
The End	Posted - 2005.12.29 13:01:00 - [4] Edited by: The End on 29/12/2005 13:01:34 you people have too many internal problems
Rusom Rokath	Posted - 2005.12.29 13:13:00 - [5] so you're not being blackmailed? As a Marginis shareholder, I'd appreciate it if you could at least get your diplomatic act together. Thank you.
M'Ar Duk	Posted - 2005.12.29 13:18:00 - [6] Originally by: Rusom Rokath so you're not being blackmailed? As a Marginis shareholder, I'd appreciate it if you could at least get your diplomatic act together. Thank you. I do believe the possibility of blackmail requires a secret to be blackmailed over. If you're posting the letter from the blackmailer, it kind of obviates payments... -------------------- [20:08:23] CapNMurphi > Who the hell is M'Ar Duk? [20:08:59] StormyWaters2021 > The sun god, who dwells inside me. [20:09:27] CapNMurphi > In front or in back?
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2005.12.29 14:15:00 - [7] If you are at any time in doubt of the postings or comments about diplomacy of the ISS, All official ISS statements are hyperlinked from the News section of our public site and are only official if posted in the forums by Count TaSessine or myself. All shares Sold
Duraeli	Posted - 2005.12.29 14:29:00 - [8] Sorry to hear you folks are going through this crap. Will be good to see everything get sorted. Good luck mate. ---------------------------------------------- Persona non grata
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2005.12.29 15:24:00 - [9] Originally by: Rusom Rokath so you're not being blackmailed? As a Marginis shareholder, I'd appreciate it if you could at least get your diplomatic act together. Thank you. Someone tried to, but being an idiot, they tried to blackmail ISS by threatening to reveal a location that hasn't even been decided yet. "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Specops	Posted - 2005.12.29 21:20:00 - [10] Yay for damage control. ~Specops~
Dash Ripcock	Posted - 2005.12.29 22:51:00 - [11] Originally by: The End Edited by: The End on 29/12/2005 13:01:34 you people have too many internal problems That's not necessarily what's going on here. One person gets angry/under influence and makes a post, said post is dismissed by those in official positions, ISS assume the stance they always have - neutrality. Just because one person screws up doesn't mean the whole wall will come crashing down. Thanks for clearing things up ISS. The Firing Range
Dr Happy	Posted - 2005.12.29 22:57:00 - [12] well anyway I wish to extend the first hand of peace to iss peace or leave each other alone we are happy with both
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2005.12.30 02:01:00 - [13] Thanks for adding a voice of reason Dash. Since the pilot in question is no longer in the ISS, It's quite amazing that the other thread won't die. It's enough to lose faith in the forums as an effective communication medium altogether. All shares Sold
Josarian Lysandor	Posted - 2005.12.30 02:23:00 - [14] Forums as a tool should never be underestimated. But it is easy to put too much importance in them. ~Victory is the weakness of the enemy. I began as ActiveX, I am no longer. I became Sobeseki Pawi, I will be no longer.
Mirirar	Posted - 2005.12.30 02:36:00 - [15] I find it highly disturbing that you have so little control over your employees while your corp is entrusted with so much of your investor's isk. Basically, I'm seeing a complete lack of process and control internally.
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2005.12.30 05:06:00 - [16] Originally by: Serenity Steele Thanks for adding a voice of reason Dash. Since the pilot in question is no longer in the ISS, It's quite amazing that the other thread won't die. It's enough to lose faith in the forums as an effective communication medium altogether. He still has access to your secure communications channels, though. Just be grateful I decided to unsubscribe from them since you can't figure out how to block people that shouldn't be there "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
F'nog	Posted - 2005.12.30 06:21:00 - [17] Originally by: Darcuese Originally by: Serenity Steele I invite the Eve Community to enjoy all non-official posts regarding ISS Diplomacy as accounts of conspiracy theory, mis-information and fiction they are. thank you very much for invitation. Any chance of getting free drinks or food? Pan-galactic Gargle Blasters at 10 paces, shall we? Originally by: rowbin hod Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage.
Darcuese	Posted - 2005.12.30 08:03:00 - [18] Edited by: Darcuese on 30/12/2005 08:03:26 Originally by: Serenity Steele Thanks for adding a voice of reason Dash. Since the pilot in question is no longer in the ISS, It's quite amazing that the other thread won't die. It's enough to lose faith in the forums as an effective communication medium altogether. Why are you, so desperatly , trying to move ppl reading the forums as its only stupidity writen there? I dont get what is the big hastle in other thread? There was a thread starter pointing out particular situation regarding CCC, ISS guys and IAC (or IAS?)...and yes, he mentioned ISS possible losing neutrality. But from that point there was mostly posting and communication between 3 parties involved in that incident. (with a few jumpings from others). So you talked about it...and CCC were pointing out situation from their perspective...and that was only one that I could remember clearly. Other perspectives (ISS and IAS) wasnt so clear (variaty in statemnets-no matter if official or not). So dont be surprised why ppl questioned your neutrality or not. There werent many smacking there and this isnt a smack. If ppl point their opinion and you dont like it...Does that have to be called allways a smack? Camon...your own posting there made ppl questioned some things regarding how well ISS is doing. And , fair deal, some things should be spoken only in game before beeing put on forums....but dont try to cover the trash if it apear (with nice and political talk)....cause dignity could be easily lost [ 2005.12.13 23:48:43 ]--Pilot from north:"we dont want to fight due to server crash and we want a fiar fight with you guys, just dont jump in".
Rusom Rokath	Posted - 2005.12.30 11:45:00 - [19] Originally by: Rusom Rokath so you were never blackmailed? As a Marginis shareholder, I'd appreciate it if you could at least get your diplomatic act together. Thank you. Edited for more clarity, so maybe you'll understand I wasn't referring to the blackmail itself, but rather to the now apparent invalidity of the post about it. I need to remember that trying to be sarcastic on the internet is a waste of time.
Wild Rho	Posted - 2005.12.30 13:01:00 - [20] Originally by: Mirirar I find it highly disturbing that you have so little control over your employees while your corp is entrusted with so much of your investor's isk. Basically, I'm seeing a complete lack of process and control internally. And how do you expect them to control somone exaclty? Attach electrodes to them in RL etc? ISS has alot of members and for the most part things run well. There will always be people who screw up either deliberatly to hurt ISS or through honest mistakes and at the end of the day you can't "control" anyone.
Tyrrax Thorrk	Posted - 2005.12.30 13:17:00 - [21] It's too bad public opinion has such great effect on an entity like ISS. Gives idiots and trolls a lot more power than they deserve
Darcuese	Posted - 2005.12.30 13:26:00 - [22] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk It's too bad public opinion has such great effect on an entity like ISS. Sorry for quoting such inteligent person without asking for permition...but..isnt ISS work-results mainly based on public opinions (alliances-plural that are living near ISS outposts in 0.0). And those shares are mainly spread among those [ 2005.12.13 23:48:43 ]--Pilot from north:"we dont want to fight due to server crash and we want a fiar fight with you guys, just dont jump in".
Tyrrax Thorrk	Posted - 2005.12.30 13:36:00 - [23] Of course they have some responsibility to their share-holders, but it's not the share-holders that run their alliance, and they do not really have any say in how ISS go about their business in my opinion. If you don't trust ISS to handle their diplomacy and outposts profitably for you, don't buy shares. Buying shares from them doesn't give you the right to meddle in how their alliance is run, any more than buying an account from CCP let's you decide how the game should be balanced... Just my opinion, I know a lot of people think the shareholders should have more power, I'm just not one of them.
j0sephine	Posted - 2005.12.30 13:55:00 - [24] Edited by: j0sephine on 30/12/2005 13:56:17 "Of course they have some responsibility to their share-holders, but it's not the share-holders that run their alliance, and they do not really have any say in how ISS go about their business in my opinion. If you don't trust ISS to handle their diplomacy and outposts profitably for you, don't buy shares." It's a bit too late to advise that when the 180 degree change of course is being done after shares were sold, though... and they were sold based on very different premise. Sure, one can always try to sell shares they got, but there's no guarantee of even getting back the original investment since they might lose quite a bit of value thanks to the new politics. A bit of like me getting money from you so i can build a Moros to mine with in Yulai and return you the profits... only to take it then out of sudden to PvP tournament and lose it against Chribba's mining barge, without ever asking you if you'd mind me doing that with your investment... (and pretty much your property)
Darcuese	Posted - 2005.12.30 13:59:00 - [25] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Just my opinion, I know a lot of people think the shareholders should have more power, I'm just not one of them. Its not about shareholders having power to run alliance. Its about starting point where you put plan on the table that should (or not) give you capital input with selling shares. If you follow your plan the way you present it to shareholders then there wouldnt be any problems no matter if you earn money or have losses. You did what you told you would. But , if there is, even slight, change of original plan ...then shareholders should be given the chance to hear their voice if its ok or not. I might be wrong here though. And then again, I might be right (not to mention of passing time on my job) [ 2005.12.13 23:48:43 ]--Pilot from north:"we dont want to fight due to server crash and we want a fiar fight with you guys, just dont jump in".
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2005.12.30 14:00:00 - [26] Edited by: Serenity Steele on 30/12/2005 14:03:50 Originally by: Mirirar I find it highly disturbing that you have so little control over your employees while your corp is entrusted with so much of your investor's isk. The ISS is not a corporation, it is an alliance made of many member corporations. The Outpost Corporations that manage investor money contain exactly 2 characters, one owned by myself, and one owned by Count TaSessine. This is deliberately to ensure security of the funds. All shares Sold
Astarte Nosferatu	Posted - 2005.12.31 08:16:00 - [27] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Just my opinion, I know a lot of people think the shareholders should have more power, I'm just not one of them. ^^ ------------------------------------------ Member of the [23] Follower of the Blood Revolution. Sani Sabik.
Tony Fats	Posted - 2005.12.31 09:12:00 - [28] Originally by: Mirirar I find it highly disturbing that you have so little control over your employees while your corp is entrusted with so much of your investor's isk. Basically, I'm seeing a complete lack of process and control internally. How does one keep one's employees from posting under the influence. They already kicked him, what else should they have done?
Wee Dave	Posted - 2005.12.31 11:10:00 - [29] Originally by: Serenity Steele Edited by: Serenity Steele on 29/12/2005 12:42:08 In the event that there is any outstanding confusion over who represents the ISS Alliance in forum discussion, the ISS charter specifically states only Count TaSessine and Serenity Steele are authorised to represent the ISS: External Communication - Only the Chairman and Executor may represent the ISS. - No corporation or their members may speak on behalf of the ISS or represent the ISS in public forums or other form of diplomacy without prior consent. I invite the Eve Community to enjoy all non-official posts regarding ISS Diplomacy as accounts of conspiracy theory, mis-information and fiction they are. What penalties are you applying to those who violate this rule? And what does the charter direct you to do in the event of a non-authorised poster using their position to cause meaningful damage to either host alliances or ISS member corporations?
Logan Williams	Posted - 2005.12.31 12:13:00 - [30] I found a link to an article concerning EvE and a few other online games. I think it was on the main EvE-O page or perhaps the news as I was logging in. Anyway, it seems that CCP are quite proud of having an online example of a real life business (i.e. publicly owned with shares and whatnot.) Anyway, due to the nature of ISS, I suggest finding a reliable press corospondant (<--- I spell terrible, sorry) and just making all official statements through the news. It would be alot easier for you guys to >state< something >>without chance of a rogue screw up<< if you didn't give a chance for discussion to cynical forum W***z like myself.
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2005.12.31 12:49:00 - [31] Originally by: Wee Dave Originally by: Serenity Steele External Communication - Only the Chairman and Executor may represent the ISS. - No corporation or their members may speak on behalf of the ISS or represent the ISS in public forums or other form of diplomacy without prior consent. What penalties are you applying to those who violate this rule? And what does the charter direct you to do in the event of a non-authorised poster using their position to cause meaningful damage to either host alliances or ISS member corporations? Breach of charter results in explusion of the corporation from the alliance. We talk to the CEO's and/or directors of the member corporation involved. Depending on the severity of the outcome of breaking the charter, corporations given a short time-frame to fix the situation or expelled. What is an acceptable fix is a discussion between the member CEO and Chairman/Executor (and 3rd party if relevant). All shares Sold
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2005.12.31 12:51:00 - [32] Originally by: Logan Williams I found a link to an article concerning EvE and a few other online games. I think it was on the main EvE-O page or perhaps the news as I was logging in. Anyway, it seems that CCP are quite proud of having an online example of a real life business (i.e. publicly owned with shares and whatnot.) Anyway, due to the nature of ISS, I suggest finding a reliable press corospondant (<--- I spell terrible, sorry) and just making all official statements through the news. It would be alot easier for you guys to >state< something >>without chance of a rogue screw up<< if you didn't give a chance for discussion to cynical forum W***z like myself. Good idea, not possible in all situations, but very workable for many :) All shares Sold
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2005.12.31 12:59:00 - [33] Edited by: Serenity Steele on 31/12/2005 13:00:31 Originally by: j0sephine "Of course they have some responsibility to their share-holders, but it's not the share-holders that run their alliance, and they do not really have any say in how ISS go about their business in my opinion. If you don't trust ISS to handle their diplomacy and outposts profitably for you, don't buy shares." It's a bit too late to advise that when the 180 degree change of course is being done after shares were sold, though... and they were sold based on very different premise. Sure, one can always try to sell shares they got, but there's no guarantee of even getting back the original investment since they might lose quite a bit of value thanks to the new politics. A bit of like me getting money from you so i can build a Moros to mine with in Yulai and return you the profits... only to take it then out of sudden to PvP tournament and lose it against Chribba's mining barge, without ever asking you if you'd mind me doing that with your investment... (and pretty much your property) I agree, that is why there is no change in the ISS's position of neutrality. Beyond holding true to our vision, We have an obligation to the outpost investors - many of whom are also member corporations in the ISS. All shares Sold
Sergeant Spot	Posted - 2006.01.01 02:28:00 - [34] I've read the two threads on this issue, and I have seen ZERO evidence of ANY policy change by ISS. I've seen trolls toss out completely unsupported statements. I've seen folks shooting at ISS try and confuse the issue. But I've seen ZERO evidence of a policy change by ISS.
Dr Happy	Posted - 2006.01.01 02:32:00 - [35] Originally by: Sergeant Spot I've read the two threads on this issue, and I have seen ZERO evidence of ANY policy change by ISS. I've seen trolls toss out completely unsupported statements. I've seen folks shooting at ISS try and confuse the issue. But I've seen ZERO evidence of a policy change by ISS. not confusing just defending are side
Sergeant Spot	Posted - 2006.01.01 03:36:00 - [36] Originally by: Dr Happy Originally by: Sergeant Spot I've read the two threads on this issue, and I have seen ZERO evidence of ANY policy change by ISS. I've seen trolls toss out completely unsupported statements. I've seen folks shooting at ISS try and confuse the issue. But I've seen ZERO evidence of a policy change by ISS. not confusing just defending are side I'll easily believe that ISS put up a POS is some contested space. I'll easily believe they took it down when asked to do so. Nothing will make me believe they "initiated" hostilities.
Sergeant Spot	Posted - 2006.01.01 03:42:00 - [37] A comment on part of this debate: It is possible, and even likely, that at least some of the folks shooting at ISS have reasons that go beyond "because we can". It is possible, and even nearly 100% certain, that ISS has never, not even for a moment, abandoned its policy of neutrality. Both of the above things can be true at the same time.
DevilFox	Posted - 2006.01.01 04:18:00 - [38] Originally by: Sergeant Spot A comment on part of this debate: It is possible, and even likely, that at least some of the folks shooting at ISS have reasons that go beyond "because we can". It is possible, and even nearly 100% certain, that ISS has never, not even for a moment, abandoned its policy of neutrality. Both of the above things can be true at the same time. I have yet to see a alliance roll over a outpost. When that happons things wil be quite intristing in the world of eve.
Dammar	Posted - 2006.01.01 04:43:00 - [39] Originally by: Sergeant Spot I've read the two threads on this issue, and I have seen ZERO evidence of ANY policy change by ISS. I've seen trolls toss out completely unsupported statements. I've seen folks shooting at ISS try and confuse the issue. But I've seen ZERO evidence of a policy change by ISS. Speaking of trolls...time to address this one. What are you talking about with 'unsupported statements'? Have you even read the thread that revealed all of this? It's all there in black and white so I will not repeat it here. People will ultimately believe what they want, but what we said(CCC) was all true and free of any kind of 'window dressing'. What ISS and IAC said on the other hand was pretty much all spin doctoring with only a hint of truth here and there. I don't entirely blame ISS for doing that, they do have a lot at stake. What I don't get, is even after this whole 'episode' on the forums, why are they STILL sending ISSN into our space looking for fights.(?) So naturally this begs the question...is ISS neutral or what? They have no reason to enter our space as it is a deadend, and it's not like we are camping trade routes or something to shoot their convoys, nor do we enter their space to hunt their members. This whole thing is just ridiculous. As for evidence and policy changes...this isn't the first time ISS got caught red handed setting up POS in claimed territory. The ONLY difference here is that CCC isn't as well known as the defenders in those other cases and so I guess we are easily dismissed as 'just pirates' so that ISS can keep it's shiny appearance. This issue was going to wind up on the forums sooner or later with the way things have been going, and the fact that an ISS insider brought it out was just a happy twist of fate and should be all the 'evidence' needed to confirm that there IS infact something shady going on behind the scenes. This really isn't a big deal and ISS could make things right fairly easily if they chose to do so, whether they do that is upto them. Anyway, this isn't an official CCC statement as it's not my place to make those(refer to Dr Happy's post in this thread for that, he is CCC's diplomat.), so take it as you will.
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Tyrrax Thorrk	Posted - 2006.01.01 08:11:00 - [41] Originally by: Dammar why are they STILL sending ISSN into our space looking for fights.(?) So naturally this begs the question...is ISS neutral or what? They have no reason to enter our space as it is a deadend, and it's not like we are camping trade routes or something to shoot their convoys, nor do we enter their space to hunt their members. This whole thing is just ridiculous. You attacked them, they're attacking you back. Why whouldn't they ? Should they roll over and play nice just because ? Sometimes offenses must be responded to with aggression, maybe ISS feel this is such a case, or maybe they have bored pvpers and nowhere else to send them, you gave them a good reason to fight you, now they're using it. Or that's what I'm guessing. Personally I don't see why they should want peace with CCC after what's happened. http://eve.klaki.net/
Dr Happy	Posted - 2006.01.01 13:05:00 - [42] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Originally by: Dammar why are they STILL sending ISSN into our space looking for fights.(?) So naturally this begs the question...is ISS neutral or what? They have no reason to enter our space as it is a deadend, and it's not like we are camping trade routes or something to shoot their convoys, nor do we enter their space to hunt their members. This whole thing is just ridiculous. You attacked them, they're attacking you back. Why whouldn't they ? Should they roll over and play nice just because ? Sometimes offenses must be responded to with aggression, maybe ISS feel this is such a case, or maybe they have bored pvpers and nowhere else to send them, you gave them a good reason to fight you, now they're using it. Or that's what I'm guessing. Personally I don't see why they should want peace with CCC after what's happened. They are only attacked in are space and they are warn to leave first we do not live on any trade routes we live in a dead end constellation . And please leave you opinions to yourself you are not iss or CCC all you and we let you livepeacefully in are territory and ask nothing.
Dammar	Posted - 2006.01.01 18:47:00 - [43] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Originally by: Dammar why are they STILL sending ISSN into our space looking for fights.(?) So naturally this begs the question...is ISS neutral or what? They have no reason to enter our space as it is a deadend, and it's not like we are camping trade routes or something to shoot their convoys, nor do we enter their space to hunt their members. This whole thing is just ridiculous. You attacked them, they're attacking you back. Why whouldn't they ? Should they roll over and play nice just because ? Sometimes offenses must be responded to with aggression, maybe ISS feel this is such a case, or maybe they have bored pvpers and nowhere else to send them, you gave them a good reason to fight you, now they're using it. Or that's what I'm guessing. Personally I don't see why they should want peace with CCC after what's happened. Well look who chose to open thier yap yet again. You know, if you hate us so much, why don't you just come on down and pick a fight? Oh ya, your corp/alliance would probably disown you. Lets see...I'll go point by point just for you ok? "You attacked them, they're attacking you back." They built a pos in our space after being told not to and refused to take it down. The fleet sent to 'talk it over' wanted to leave before the removal of the pos had even started, so they were destroyed. Now maybe that seems a bit harsh, but consider this, it was a delicate situation, yet ISS was playing all innocent and being arrogent, thinking it could ignore our warnings without consiquence. The logs are posted on our forums...they got what they had coming imo. "Why whouldn't they ? Should they roll over and play nice just because ?" Yes. They were in the wrong. So yes, they SHOULD roll over and play nice. "Sometimes offenses must be responded to with aggression, maybe ISS feel this is such a case, or maybe they have bored pvpers and nowhere else to send them, you gave them a good reason to fight you, now they're using it. Or that's what I'm guessing." Ya...offences like the one agaisnt CCC, then we take action, and somehow we're the badguy now? If they are just bored, um i guess thats fine? lol. Just seems a shame for them to be losing even more ships from all this.. And that about covers it. Feel free to come join your corp mates in our space. Maybe grab a shot of Vitoc while you're at it.
Ikvar	Posted - 2006.01.01 18:59:00 - [44] LOL @ The ISS (Although much ♥ to James Lyrus and his corp for giving me 3 free Merlins!). Originally by: Avon I actually enjoy crafting in EQ2.
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.01.01 19:17:00 - [45] Originally by: DevilFox I have yet to see a alliance roll over a outpost. When that happons things wil be quite intristing in the world of eve. Look North. BoB did it the other week. Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm. "Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted."
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2006.01.03 16:35:00 - [46] This pretty much sums up the end result of all the conspiracy theories. Originally by: "Equin" I'm happy to announce that CCC had new negotiations with ISS today. After resolving an unfortunate incident from the past between ISS and CCC, ISS has agreed to grant CCC access to the margins outpost again. In return CCC has given ISS limited access to their space. Furthermore, CCC and ISS are planning to work together even closer in the future to secure the outpost and a number of solarsystems. As for the war CCC has with IAC - ISS will remain neutral in this conflict in the future, and CCC pilots will be instructed not to fire on IAC pilots in the KDF-GY system, which is the location of ISS Margins. Originally by: "Count TaSessine" Indeed, we are happy to confirm that CCC have chosen to pay us reimbursements for the ship losses ISS incurred during the incident which has been so amply discussed in this thread. With this concession, and a mutual NAP, we consider the case closed. All shares Sold
Boba Hunter	Posted - 2006.01.03 17:19:00 - [47] Guys..... Look at it this way. I'm not a direct pvp'er. I have not don eny real pvping sins Curse alliance. I'm a political guru, and he doesnt even want to give me a 1 vs 1..... I have often seen hem on the forums smack abut how many kills KIA and himself have don. So who is the joke here? ----------------------------------------- For there to be good there most be EVIL. And it is good to be Bad! Emperor of Evil.
Temi	Posted - 2006.01.04 03:56:00 - [48] Originally by: Boba Hunter Guys..... Look at it this way. I'm not a direct pvp'er. I have not don eny real pvping sins Curse alliance. I'm a political guru, and he doesnt even want to give me a 1 vs 1..... I have often seen hem on the forums smack abut how many kills KIA and himself have don. So who is the joke here? you, since this is the wrong thread :p Spelling errors ahoy..

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