the gankers

Getting annoyed that gankers from Code and NO came come into a hi-sec system, flashing red as they are -7 to -10 and happily gank some industrialists.
I don't really think they understand that without these members of the community, ore would not be mined which affects ships/ammo not be built and they would suffer because of it because of increased prices.

So I would like to take action.

Don't want isk - got plenty of that, I want ship fits for frig/cruises that would allow me to gank the gankers. Any suggestion on fits?

the gankers

Getting annoyed that gankers from Code and NO came come into a hi-sec system, flashing red as they are -7 to -10 and happily gank some industrialists.
I don't really think they understand that without these members of the community, ore would not be mined which affects ships/ammo not be built and they would suffer because of it because of increased prices.

So I would like to take action.

Don't want isk - got plenty of that, I want ship fits for frig/cruises that would allow me to gank the gankers. Any suggestion on fits?

Lets Gank the Ganker that is Ganking... While Concord Ganks them.

Thank you Abyss, the only one that has posted constructive and pertinent feed back. It reminds me why I rarely post stuff on here

Thank you Abyss, the only one that has posted constructive and pertinent feed back. It reminds me why I rarely post stuff on here

If you plan to gank gankers, it's surprisingly easy, since they never tank their ships. Just keep in mind they will have killrights on you unless they are suspect/criminal.

Hilarious.

Not that you wanna gank gankers... that's great,
but concentrating on those worth it makes more sense.

Frigates at gates, scanning ships or the Tornados next to them,
or their haulers.

Or interrupt the squads of catalysts that try to gank freighters,
using long range high rof turrets.

Your argument about the miners is invalid. If the morons who can't tank their ships would leave,
it'd not only make the proper miners (those who do) happier, but if prices rose,
others would create mining alts and jump in.

Then we'd see a drop of miners being ganked,
because more mining people then actually knew how to play
and don't afk or sit around in space without tank.

This.^

The real question you're facing is whether or not you've got the reflexes. Gankers are used to rapid response, and they know where their targets are. You won't know when they're coming, or who their target is, so you're going to need superior reflexes and good intelligence. And a lot of patience. If you try to pre-empt them, you give gankers kill rights on you - Hilarity *will* ensue. You may even get Concordokken yourself, which is a bit humiliating (have done that my own self; I know whereof I speak). If you wait until they're flashy, you've got bare seconds in which to react before concord shows up to spoil your fun.

The good news is that a properly-fit Insta-locking boat with long-range weapons - even a frigate - can pop a gankalyst with ease. *If* you get there before Concordokken happens. Maybe you can try to pop their pods - If you're fast enough, and if they're slow enough or dumb enough to give you a chance to engage or scan them down. Don't count on it.

How is the question "Any suggestion on fits" in any way stupid as that was the only question I asked.

Gankception.

Gankageddon?

I like the morons that cant get that it doesnt matter what you tank when they bring 30 destroyers.

the gankers

Getting annoyed that gankers from Code and NO came come into a hi-sec system, flashing red as they are -7 to -10 and happily gank some industrialists.
I don't really think they understand that without these members of the community, ore would not be mined which affects ships/ammo not be built and they would suffer because of it because of increased prices.

So I would like to take action.

Don't want isk - got plenty of that, I want ship fits for frig/cruises that would allow me to gank the gankers. Any suggestion on fits?

Let me expand on this...

When I gank miners,

I know their killboards, I know their fit, I know their entire history. That's before I even undock!

I know what's on field, where they are in relation to my target, everything. That's before I undock.

I have a perfect warp in and exit strategy...no one will be the wiser!

...how?

Because my cloaked alt has everything setup, and if there's someone there "guarding" the miner, I'll know everything about them aswell, and will more then likely go after him and have a corpmate kill the barge.

If a ganker wants a target dead, he'll be in station getting acquainted with his new clone...

Fish in barrel...make up elaborate plan to kill fish...bring friends....kill fish (need help)...pats self on back for ingenuity.

It's like paying a hooker for sex and then calling all your friends to tell them what a stud you are

Gankers maintain the Eco system by picking off the weak but don't confuse yourself into thinking you are the lion, you are the hyenas of Eve.

Yes, you're right.
Every ganked miner ever in the history of EvE,
got killed by 30 destroyers, every single time.

*facepalm* please THINK before you post !
I know it's hard, but at least TRY !

The point being you guys act like if a miner gets ganked its because they didnt tank....because EVERY miner loss didnt have a tank?

Please follow your own advice and think before you post.

I like the morons that cant get that it doesnt matter what you tank when they bring 30 destroyers.

Funny thing about gankers is that they always repeat the same line "learn to tank" but they never learn to tank their ships.
So gank Nado should teach them some basic lessons about EHP.

You should be able to take out at least one Catalyst in 0.7 or higher with 800mm Repeating Artillery and faction Fusion. Two Catalysts easily in 0.5.

There's no point in tanking a suicide gank ship, suicide being the important word. It's guaranteed to die, why tank it?
Miners on the other hand don't expect their ships to die every time they undock, can you see the important difference?

Thank you Abyss, the only one that has posted constructive and pertinent feed back. It reminds me why I rarely post stuff on here

Will give it a go

the moment i post my mackinaw fit guaranteed to tank thirty destroyers, you'll be back screaming WELL WHAT IF THEY BRING SIXTY

Yes because 30 was a figurative number. It could be 50 60 70. Let me dumb it down for those that seem to have ridden the short bus to school, or maybe still do.

Corps like the goonies will bring the dps they need to kill you. That number will vary and your tank will not matter only to the point of how many ships they used to gank you.

We will not use 30+ ships to kill a single barge.

3 1/2 year Industrialist/ Miner here.

You "anti-gankers" are embarrassing the profession in here, and should be ashamed of yourselves.

I've never heard such useless ill-informed arguments.

Just don't be AFK and you'll be just fine. Oh.....but that's your point isn't it. You want risk-free AFK mining.

Sorry, but WoW and Minecraft are over thataway.

We will not use 30+ ships to kill a single barge.

Right bc there is no profit in it. Should some one want to kill you they will regardless of tank if they bring enuff dps and they dont care about cost.

A reasonable tank fit will prevent the noob gankers. I did see a kill mail of a corp mate few months back that was taken out by the goonies and he had a tanked Mackinaw.

Tanking does make you are harder target but it will not make you invunerable.

You're right it doesn't, what it does do is encourage them to find easier targets, however most of the "victims" consider a tank of more than a small shield booster superfluous to requirements, for all intents and purposes that isn't a tank, it's not even a token gesture.

The point being you guys act like if a miner gets ganked its because they didnt tank....because EVERY miner loss didnt have a tank?

Please follow your own advice and think before you post.

Every once in a while when I'm particularly bored, I'll run a suicide alt from Amarr to Jita and blow up whoever has the audacity to scan me.

It has it's amusing moments.

Mr Epeen

smartbombing industrials?

Of all the miners I've killed, none had a tank.

We will not use 30+ ships to kill a single barge.

Q ships

Of all the miners I've killed, none had a tank. Of the two that failed, the first one was my first attempt and I forgot to overheat my guns, and the second one was a tanked Hulk that we brought two (read: not thirty) Catalysts for, but failed because my corpmate accidentally targeted and shot the wrong ship, an Orca. I've soloed plenty of Hulks that had no tank, a few easily worth over a billion each, including pod and implants, with a ship that cost less than 20 mil.

I have only ever seen a fleet of destroyers as large as you are suggesting once, and they were after an Orca.

There's no point in tanking a suicide gank ship, suicide being the important word. It's guaranteed to die, why tank it?
Miners on the other hand don't expect their ships to die every time they undock, can you see the important difference?

You frign kids kill me. Do you not understand the word figurative? The number doesnt matter. 1.2.3.4.5.6.7.8.9.10.11.12.13.14.15.16.17.18.19.20.21.22.23.24.25.26.27.28.29.30... and all the way to what ever number you would like to think.

The POINT BEING.... yes you should tank your barge but should it be a good organised group out to get you and they dont care about profit then it will not matter how you are tanked they will STILL kill you because you are only tanked not invunerable.

Your statement wasn't figurative, figurative implies the use of a metaphor or figure of speech such as "Mittens is the head of goonswarm" or "like a hot brick". What you did was just chuck a inflated random number at a statement and call it it figurative.

Yes people should tank their barges, and yes even a well tanked barge will die to enough ships, what you failed to mention was that there are so many untanked barges out there, the tanked ones will be passed over unless the gankers run out of targets. Unless of course you're flying it, in which case suiciding a swarm of destroyers would be worth it.

Goonswarm itself has a figurative/ diminutive name for itself, "little bees"

The POINT BEING.... yes you should tank your barge but should it be a good organised group out to get you and they dont care about profit then it will not matter how you are tanked they will STILL kill you because you are only tanked not invunerable.

the gankers

Getting annoyed that gankers from Code and NO came come into a hi-sec system, flashing red as they are -7 to -10 and happily gank some industrialists.
I don't really think they understand that without these members of the community, ore would not be mined which affects ships/ammo not be built and they would suffer because of it because of increased prices.

So I would like to take action.

Don't want isk - got plenty of that, I want ship fits for frig/cruises that would allow me to gank the gankers. Any suggestion on fits?

You frign kids kill me. Do you not understand the word figurative? The number doesnt matter. 1.2.3.4.5.6.7.8.9.10.11.12.13.14.15.16.17.18.19.20.21.22.23.24.25.26.27.28.29.30... and all the way to what ever number you would like to think.

The POINT BEING.... yes you should tank your barge but should it be a good organised group out to get you and they dont care about profit then it will not matter how you are tanked they will STILL kill you because you are only tanked not invulnerable.

I see people like him in real life sometimes.

They say something, believe what they have said represents what they've meant to say
and the other guy is the stupid one for being unable to read their minds to figure it out.

I see people like you in real life as well. You lack the ability to think for yourself and the ability to understand the given situation in general terms and have a mental condition that requires you to take everything as an exact value. No grey always black and white.

The number used was used as a example of gross excess. Your inability to see that instead of the JIST of the statement is not surprising.

Sorry to break up this little love spat - but this is about fits to gank the gankers - with the optimal words being FITS - loadouts...savvy?

I see people like you in real life as well. You lack the ability to think for yourself and the ability to understand the given situation in general terms and have a mental condition that requires you to take everything as an exact value. No grey always black and white.

The number used was used as a example of gross excess. Your inability to see that instead of the JIST of the statement is not surprising.

Ganking miners takes no skill. It's like kicking a puppy. Gankers have no honor or skill.

Ganking miners takes no skill. It's like kicking a puppy. Gankers have no honor or skill.

Ganking miners takes no skill. It's like kicking a puppy. Gankers have no honor or skill.

bs. Let's see you have a go at it right now.

Honor is irrelevant. KB stats are a legitimate scale of EVE success (there is no win, btw)

Besides, most miners who are popped are AFK and I know this for a fact. Makes for more and better marketing opportunities for myself and not them. They are the lazy ones with no honor for their own profession at all.

I have yet to ever ever see a proper tanked Exhumer on a KB. Orca fits are even more embarrassing, but that's a different thread.

You mean the cargo expanded (Anti-tanked) Orcas that sacrifice a rather large percentage of their EHP for one less trip to the station?

Please take your anti ganker ships to the belts, there's nothing quite like a target rich environment.

It. because of ganker asshats why I moved to null....

Every once in a while when I'm particularly bored, I'll run a suicide alt from Amarr to Jita and blow up whoever has the audacity to scan me.

It has it's amusing moments.

Mr Epeen

Puppies are born small, cute and generally defenceless, miners are neither small or cute, and generally only defenceless by choice, please insert another coin to continue.

Continue, Retry, Menu?

Quit

Nice take on a classic

Your statement wasn't figurative, figurative implies the use of a metaphor or figure of speech such as "Mittens is the head of goonswarm" or "like a hot brick". What you did was just chuck a inflated random number at a statement and call it it figurative.

Yes people should tank their barges, and yes even a well tanked barge will die to enough ships, what you failed to mention was that there are so many untanked barges out there, the tanked ones will probably be passed over, until the gankers run out of easier targets. Unless of course you're flying it, in which case suiciding a swarm of destroyers would be totally worth it.

Goonswarm itself has a figurative/ diminutive name, "little bees"

I am always glad when someone tells me what my own words mean. The number was thrown out there wasnGÇÖt meant to be a specific number but as a arbitray number.

SymantecGÇÖs.

do you feel this is some special, rare insight into eve's meta gifted unto the few by the divine

Just because you take out 5 non tanked miners doesnGÇÖt mean all miners are not tanked

And thus, as arbitrary, pointless? I mean, you're basically telling me that you just made it up on the spot, and that it has no meaning as such.

So what was your point crying so hard about it in the first place? What are you even trying to say?


Good merciful Lord, learn to spell. Semantics. It takes away from what you are trying to say, if you sound like a child doing so.

Nope, just all the miners I've ever killed...

If the boot fits...

...and you still haven't realized you did not spell that word correctly? Heck, at first I thought you were talking about Symantec antivirus software.

You know, this.

http://www.symantec.com/index.jsp

Here is a perfect example. Just because you killed 5 miners all un-tanked your limited mind has to belive that all miners dont fit tank?

Congrats btw on your superior pvp skills at killing someone not fitted or trained for pvp well done. ( golf clap )

YEA suuuree you did. LMAO 0/10. When you embarrass yourself like that why even try to recover? Just man up and admit you were wrong.

I didn't say 5. I said "every miner I have ever killed". That number is considerably more than 5 in my case.

Thanks! I've always been proud of my stalking and hunting skills. Sneaking into the system under the guns of Concord, stalking my (un)wary prey, and waiting til the precise moment to pounce!

Also, I don't consider it leet to kill miners. I do consider it fun however.

Or was it your intent to suggest that they should be immune to my attacks because they have made the conscious choice not to defend themselves?



Seriously, look at your post. You spelled it wrong. Blatantly, obviously, childishly wrong. For real.

I didn't say 5. I said "every miner I have ever killed". That number is considerably more than 5 in my case.

Thanks! I've always been proud of my stalking and hunting skills. Sneaking into the system under the guns of Concord, stalking my (un)wary prey, and waiting til the precise moment to pounce!

Also, I don't consider it leet to kill miners. I do consider it fun however.

Or was it your intent to suggest that they should be immune to my attacks because they have made the conscious choice not to defend themselves?



Seriously, look at your post. You spelled it wrong. Blatantly, obviously, childishly wrong. For real.

Besides, most miners who are popped are AFK and I know this for a fact.

Makes for more and better marketing opportunities for myself and not them. They are the lazy ones with no honor for their own profession at all.

Yup yup yup. When a bumbler like me can gank successfully, you *know* they're asleep at the switch.


On those rare occasions when I dust off my mining alt, I don't tank. Deliberately. The cost of replacement hulls is considered in the profit-loss calculation - cheaper fits mean less loss, more profit. Of course, I almost never get ganked whilst mining, either, because I'm not asleep at the switch.

Let me say that again:

"Not asleep at the switch."

THAT^^ is your number-one defense against being ganked - alert, aware of who is in local (and what their KB says about them!), moving at all times with turn points and multiple safes in all directions, and checking intelligence. THAT is how you mine without getting bored OR ganked - by being engaged, and continually checking the surroundings.

I'll grant that it's work, but who's afraid of a little work, eh?

I'm tanked when mining but also not exactly nerfing my yield.

I am not here to teach you reading comprehension. Go back and read what was written and try to decipher for yourself. My main point was some people here want to act like all miners donGÇÖt tank and all are care bears. They are not all care bears and plenty do tank. The other point was it doesnGÇÖt matter what you tank or how you fit if they want to kill you they will.

Your problem like many forum trolls is you want to get hung up on arguing over stupid little things like spelling gramer and numbers. Thats how and why you always seem to miss the point.

This isnt grad school. Its a forum for a game.

I did spend about 15 minutes one day on Eve Kill looking at exhumer kills, looking at one non-existent tank after another, and that's enough time to get a fair sample, but I just had to stop.

It was genuinely depressing. Like, not even attempts to try. Some even had warp scramblers fit, and I'm not kidding.

But warp scrams..?! That's embarassing.

In over 3 years of Ice Mining I have yet to ever see a Freighter in an Ice Belt.....and I'm not kidding.

Did you mean grade school or actually grad school? Granted, the petty and vindictive aspects come out in both, but in grad school it's mostly in the form of embittered teachers fishing for tenure (or "favors" from female students).

Ok, how about we apply this some.

"All miners don't tank". Fair enough, some of them do. But, "all miners who don't tank are carebears" is a perfectly fair assertion.

Alrighty, whether you fit a tank or not, if someone is determined to kill specifically you, they will do it. 2+ people > 1 person.

Is there a problem there? Are you suggesting this should not be the case? Or perhaps that it's a good excuse for not fitting a tank? What are you actually trying to say?

Nope my problem is poeple trying to use phrases like ALL miners are....or ALL miners dont...... or if you tank you wont die. These are false statements.

I did spend about 15 minutes one day on Eve Kill looking at exhumer kills, looking at one non-existent tank after another, and that's enough time to get a fair sample, but I just had to stop.

I did spend about 15 minutes one day on Eve Kill looking at exhumer kills, looking at one non-existent tank after another, and that's enough time to get a fair sample, but I just had to stop.

It was genuinely depressing. Like, not even attempts to try. Some even had warp scramblers fit, and I'm not kidding.

I am always glad when someone tells me what my own words mean. The number was thrown out there wasnGÇÖt meant to be a specific number but as a arbitray number. It could have just as easily been 50 60 80 or 100.

You forum trolls always want to argue SymantecGÇÖs. Please carry on.

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"his mealtimes were entirely arbitrary"

Nope my problem is poeple trying to use phrases like ALL miners are....or ALL miners dont...... or if you tank you wont die. These are false statements.

I'm not saying that many miners don't give much thought to survival, but your data is skewed in that you don't see the ones that were tanked in killboards. Because they didn't get blown up. Of course you are only going to find the losers that are easy kills.

In over 3 years of Ice Mining I have yet to ever see a Freighter in an Ice Belt.....and I'm not kidding.

In over 3 years of Ice Mining I have yet to ever see a Freighter in an Ice Belt.....and I'm not kidding.

We killed six such freighters in the opening days.

So the number 30 has gone from figurative (it wasn't), to gross excess (it was) and now it's arbitrary (made up on the spot)? Do you even read your own posts? Are you in fact Ace Uoweme's main? or are you genuinely an accidental troll?

So it's ok for you to use blatantly false premises, misrepresent quotes, use absolutes and otherwise do exactly what you claim to have a problem with? That smacks of hypocrisy, or Government.

did anyone say that

Nope my problem is poeple trying to use phrases like ALL miners are....or ALL miners dont...... or if you tank you wont die. These are false statements.

You mean like your quote?

I am sure if I cared enough to dig thru the forums I could find them. If only that where the case.

you care enough to rant about it

If anything it would be amusement. I am always amazed at how grown adults act like my 17 year old GǪheck half the time he is more mature then some of the GǣadultsGǥ I see posting.

Rant? lol if your hearing ranting while you read anything I post then that is in your own head. I donGÇÖt believe you can hear or feel anything that anyone types except that which you give it.

If anything it would be amusement. I am always amazed at how grown adults act like my 17 year old GǪheck half the time he is more mature then some of the GǣadultsGǥ I see posting.

I am sure if I cared enough to dig thru the forums I could find them. If only that where the case.

~i just complain a lot about issues i don't care about~

~not that i care~

Maybe you should ask your 17 year old for some advice on being mature, because you come across as being their younger sibling.

That is from trying to speak on your level so you may understand better. DoesnGÇÖt look like that is working however. Moving forward I will try to dumb it down for you even further in hopes that you may grasp some simpler concepts.

maturity: making personal attacks when questioned

Lol personal attacks? I am merely trying to be helpful and considerate in helping this person open his mind by pointing out that he like a vast majority of forum trolls (yourself included) will usually miss the main point of most topics because the majority of the time you derail thread after thread arguing over inane things that donGÇÖt really matter.

In this specific case it was over an arbitrary number.

From a physiological perspective this type of behavior is common place and used to draw attention away from the fact that they donGÇÖt have a good base to counter argue or debate the main topic or point.

Lol personal attacks? I am merely trying to be helpful and considerate in helping this person open his mind by pointing out that he like a vast majority of forum trolls (yourself included) will usually miss the main point of most topics because the majority of the time you derail thread after thread arguing over inane things that donGÇÖt really matter.

In this specific case it was over an arbitrary number. From a physiological perspective this type of behavior is common place and used to draw attention away from the fact that they donGÇÖt have a good base to counter argue or debate the main topic or point.

Wow, being called a troll by you is ironic, I've rarely seen you post anything remotely constructive, considerate or helpful, please do carry on lying to yourself if it makes you feel better.

You mean the arbitrary number that went from figurative to gross excess and then on to arbitrary? If you'd have said arbitrary in the first place then my only quibble would have been the number 30, because saying things "I like the morons that can't get that it doesn't matter what you tank when they bring 30 destroyers.", although true in the literal sense, is spin and misinformation of the worst kind when we're talking about ganking miners, which while offtopic is a related subtopic, 30 destroyers is almost a parody.

The only scenarios I can think of in ganking that would need 30 destroyers would be an Orca or freighter, and even then it may well be excessive *needs clarification as I'm unsure of the actual amount of destroyers required for these scenarios*

You yourself are guilty of posting crap to draw attention away from the fact that you had no valid point to bring to the discussion, and instantly denigrated anybody that disagreed with you, that smacks of hubris.

If, however, you had actually made a valid point relating to the topic, and subtopics, that have been brought up instead of just exaggerating, and hadn't gotten your knickers in a twist when people called you out on it, then maybe, just maybe, you would have got some decent counter arguments and debate. Although I doubt it because you're just a poor sad excuse for a troll.

Before you start blaming others for the responses to your posts, you should try reading them.

You are a bad poster.

You mean the arbitrary number that went from figurative to gross excess and then on to arbitrary? If you'd have said arbitrary in the first place then my only quibble would have been the number 30, because saying things "I like the morons that can't get that it doesn't matter what you tank when they bring 30 destroyers.", although true in the literal sense, is spin and misinformation of the worst kind when we're talking about ganking miners, which while offtopic is a related subtopic, 30 destroyers is almost a parody.

The only scenarios I can think of in ganking that would need 30 destroyers would be an Orca or freighter, and even then it may well be excessive *needs clarification as I'm unsure of the actual amount of destroyers required for these scenarios*

Thank you so much. Coming from a goonie that is very complementary of you sir.

The Goon speaks the truth.

Here is a perfect example of you still being hung up on a number and even after numerous attempts to explain to you that the number didnGÇÖt matter you are still trying to argue over a number that was arbitrary and didnGÇÖt matter or effect the point and was exaggerated to show that it didnGÇÖt matter all the while still missing the main point.

Yes the point, you missed it completely. We know the number was exaggerated to make a point, we're just unsure of what the point was, and whether or not you actually had one in the first place.

The Goon (GrrGäó) is right, you're a terrible poster, even by their standards.

Lets Gank the Ganker that is Ganking... While Concord Ganks them.

Gank train?

This **** is still going ?

This **** is still going ?

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