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FloppieTheBanjoClown Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 208	Posted - 2011.10.28 21:30:00 - [1] - Quote I definitely want us to be able to bring in others who wish to participate in this. The problem lies in making sure we don't bring in people who would spoil it all either by directly spying, or by being idiots.
FloppieTheBanjoClown Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 208	Posted - 2011.10.28 23:52:00 - [2] - Quote Ammzi wrote: And a last thing, about 30-40 billion isk is being generated in highsec incursions at best peak times during the week an hour. So by your own admission a handful of dudes can reduce the overall productivity of incursions by about 5%. Imagine what will happen if we escalate this. If there's one thing the Skunkworks excels at, it's taking things WAY too far.
FloppieTheBanjoClown Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 208	Posted - 2011.10.29 02:06:00 - [3] - Quote Foxgguy2001 wrote: One cannot make an admission and have it cited as a verified statistic. Further, one cannot quote for emphasis and assert it substantiates truth. /facepalm ...surrounded by idiots. Someone takes forums far too seriously. umadbro?
FloppieTheBanjoClown Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 208	Posted - 2011.10.29 14:26:00 - [4] - Quote carmelos53 wrote: To clear the air I never once said I was part of btl. Infact I've told skunkworks many times who I represent. Hec the wardec is even publically stated in our motd. Just because skunkworks has the intellect of lemiwinks from south park isn't my problem. "We had a convo with God Squad and they claimed that a bunch of people from the BTL channel hired them to dec us." What you lack in reading comprehension, you make up for in keyboard pounding. carmelos53 wrote: I really like the fact that you guys think you're so awesome because you can flip a 6 month old new to eve players whom are defenseless while you melt their logi. To make your case worse I hear everytime you guys get decced you just Corp jump so your poor little ships don't die. The funny part is when you made it sound like we're concerned about losing ships. We corp hop to accomplish goals, and occasionally to avoid being swarmed by mercenaries who will only fight when they have more neutral logi than we have pilots (not referring to God Squad, who we happen to like). We're not in NPC corps to hide from GS, we're in NPC corps so that we are free to pursue our goals. Free lesson in warfare: fighting by proxy just reveals you as weak. We're demonstrating just how weak you are. If you want to fight us, come fight us. Don't hire others to do your dirty work so that you can continue making absurd amounts of isk risk-free. Monk used part of something I wrote. Here's the rest: "At the Skunkworks, we don't fight by proxy. We don't hire mercenaries to stand in for us. And when other people do so, we go around the mercs and take the fight to our true enemies. For this reason, The Skunkworks has declared an unoffical war on BTL Pub and incursions in general. What started as casual griefing to pass the time will become a full-time occupation until we tire of it. If you thought Slimy Worm was bad, now he's bringing friends." Spin it how you want, but Incursion bears paid for a war with it. They're getting what they paid for. carmelos53 wrote: Enjoy it while it lasts the decs won't stop until you guys grow some balls and fight for a week. That's what the community asked for and paid for. It stops when you stop. It stops when the casual incursion runners gets so tired of our campaign that they beg all you self-righteous incursion bears to drop the dec against us because they can't get a fleet because everyone is so terrified of losing ships.
FloppieTheBanjoClown Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 208	Posted - 2011.10.29 19:53:00 - [5] - Quote Ammzi wrote: Stop all the talking, get to action and start linking killboards and stuff. Everyone is just measuring e-peen in this thread right now. Last I heard it was against the rules to link killboards. Look me up on BC, I think I've been on the most kills (unless they got an early start today)
FloppieTheBanjoClown Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 208	Posted - 2011.10.29 20:04:00 - [6] - Quote carmelos53 wrote: #3 the only reason you are picking on btl is because you can't manage to get enough alts to influtrate the tdf channel. #4 you are only killing people outside of our channel Challenge accepted. carmelos53 wrote: #5 we don't need to war dec with 50 corps when one will do and even if we did you still dropped Corp as yu have before Working As Intended (tm) carmelos53 wrote: #6 you dont fight to begin with period unless you are the aggressor. ...Big mistake making this post public . Now everyone knows you guys can't defend yourselves. The only time your pvp griefer Corp gets on kms is when they have no chance. Do your homework better next time. carmelos53 wrote: #7 we've had people claiming to be tough before and 4 months of decs normally stops it so fight or hide We stop when we're bored, or you capitulate. We'll see which comes first. carmelos53 wrote: Here are our terms: replace every single kill you have ever been been a part of and 10 monocles. An excellent counter-offer. I'll gladly replace each ship with a suitable substitute, once I have prepared the proper claims form. At that point, each purported victim will need to complete the form and wait 2-3 weeks for us to process the paperwork and see to the ship replacement. And don't think I'm making this up, I'll have the form ready by tomorrow night barring unforeseen circumstances. Unfortunately, I cannot accommodate your request for monocles. To date we have destroyed at least 27 ships, and supplying only 10 monocles would create an obvious distribution problem. I suspect those monocles would never reach anyone actually harmed by these events, and would instead remain with you and your cronies, denying compensation to the victims. I know how people like you work.
FloppieTheBanjoClown Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 209	Posted - 2011.10.29 22:02:00 - [7] - Quote Ammzi wrote: Psychotic Monk wrote: http://www.forscience.co/KB/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=8 Campaign says 11b in two days. There's some choice kills in there. Nightmares and whatnot. acknowledges Nice work, any possibility of getting videos? I need to get FRAPS registered and start recording. It's planned, yes.
FloppieTheBanjoClown Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 209	Posted - 2011.10.30 17:01:00 - [8] - Quote Cerisia wrote: Actually you can use the free version of fraps, it just has Fraps written at the top of the screen. Other than that there's no difference. Last time I used the free version, it limited clips to 30 seconds.
FloppieTheBanjoClown Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 209	Posted - 2011.10.30 17:06:00 - [9] - Quote carmelos53 wrote: I'm a gambling man. Care to put a wager on this? Call it a channel test for security. If you can influtrate our channel and do it with me in fleet I will send monk 100m AND I will even eat my pride and offer you a war dec contract in a few months if you guys are still functional. If I catch you once all I'd like in return is an acknowledgement here. Now I keep my promises, contracts and wagers. So what say you sir? I say you'll probably be so incredibly cautious after making this bet that it'll cost you income that we can't account for, and that nothing will ever come of this bet because of that. But I'm willing to play along. As I understand it, the challenge is to get a ship in a fleet with you and transfer aggression before being called out. We'll let you know if/when that happens.
FloppieTheBanjoClown Go Petition Blizzard 209	Posted - 2011.10.31 12:48:00 - [10] - Quote Mace Ormond wrote: [quote=Psychotic Monk]It seems you boys want to build yourselves up a name as bad boy griefers, but of course are less forthcoming about all of being funded by high sec carebearing through your incursion and industry corporations. I have never in my life run an incursion, and I abandoned any pretense of industry a long time ago. What money doesn't come from the wrecks of our targets, I get through wormhole exploration. That can pay about as well as highsec incursions, only you're operating in nullsec without a local channel list. So much for your theories.
FloppieTheBanjoClown Go Petition Blizzard 209	Posted - 2011.10.31 16:49:00 - [11] - Quote Mace Ormond wrote: This may be true. Your other character, Floppietheminingclown (love your originality by the way) could indeed be a wormhole explorer. Nope. His name should tell you what I made that account for. The role has evolved quite a bit since then, but I have no problem stating that that character remains purely a support role. If I had wanted to hide him, I'd have named him something less obvious. No, if you look back at my history of posts in the forums and my killboard losses before joining the skunkworks, it should be obvious that I do my excursions with my main (this one). Mace Ormond wrote: Your CEO does have these other carebear corporations I'm talking about, and that's not a theory. Ask him about the high sec POS he lost a few weeks ago. It's location was provided to certain parties courtesy of Corporate Catering. Of course, it's just business at the end of the day and should you kids require a bespoke buffet of your own, I'll see what I can cook up. I'm well aware of what Monk and some of the others have been up to, and to what ends. You, however, can only guess and feign insight.
FloppieTheBanjoClown Go Petition Blizzard 210	Posted - 2011.10.31 22:11:00 - [12] - Quote My favorite was the 'Geddon Navy that got himself Concorded by shooting the one ship in our fleet that didn't have aggression on him.
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks 229	Posted - 2011.11.02 22:50:00 - [13] - Quote Barakkus wrote: lol, I'm just in the mood to nit-pick. Gaz will keep you quite busy.
FloppieTheBanjoClown Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 240	Posted - 2011.11.04 03:53:00 - [14] - Quote Haha, I remember DAME, that was a fun kill. Profitable too, iirc. Yes, guys, we remember most of you by name. We've topped 100 kills now, yet we're able to recall most of them and avoid dropping them the same bait twice. See you in the incursion channel.
FloppieTheBanjoClown Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 249	Posted - 2011.11.04 23:50:00 - [15] - Quote rareden wrote: http://burning.griefwatch.net/?p=details&kill=80 If it's a PVP fit, it sucks. If it's a sleeper PVE fit, it also sucks.
FloppieTheBanjoClown Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 249	Posted - 2011.11.05 02:28:00 - [16] - Quote carmelos53 wrote: Just want to add my 10 cents here. You're gonna need a lot more zeroes before we care. carmelos53 wrote: You still only killed 2 armor pilots in our channel so keep talking.. U might one day actually believed what you are saying. You act like we EVER said we were targeting your channel. Our campaign is, and always has been, against incursions in general. But don't fret, cupcake. We haven't forgotten you. carmelos53 wrote: people havnt pvped for 2 weeks now so maybe when you guys decide to fight that might happen. But...there's so much shiny to kill! Meh. I'm always late for the goodfights anyway. I have to find my own most of the time. carmelos53 wrote: Still have that 200mil pride bet going on. Only Two more days until it's over. Oh there's a time limit now? Funny thing about you carebears: you love instant gratification. Infiltrators, on the other hand, can spend months gaining trust and access before yanking the rug out from under you. We play a long game, something you lot are incapable of doing. I'll remind you of this when you're on my killboard. I've already figured out how you guys could completely avoid what we're doing without being antisocial pricks. That's going to be my little secret, though; I'm waiting to see if anyone else thinks of it. edit: A funny thing has been happening on our killboard tonight as I check in on it: non-skunks are appearing on the kills. Care to guess what that means?
FloppieTheBanjoClown Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 252	Posted - 2011.11.05 22:30:00 - [17] - Quote carmelos53 wrote: Sure I'll take a stab at it. You've found more people who enjoy showering once a week too? Oh come on, don't be coy. carmelos53 wrote: I have to ask. Your girl friend in eve... Is she cute? Does she satisfy you? Did you remember to deflate her? My wife won't play Eve :(
FloppieTheBanjoClown Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 252	Posted - 2011.11.05 23:56:00 - [18] - Quote Gazmin VanBurin wrote: I offten eat a bowel of pubbie-Os for breakfast with my wife hahahahahahahahhaha I love you Gaz.
FloppieTheBanjoClown Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 252	Posted - 2011.11.05 23:58:00 - [19] - Quote Lord Tarantula wrote: low sec thata-way hero ......------> W-space is more fun.
FloppieTheBanjoClown Putz. 258	Posted - 2011.11.06 21:08:00 - [20] - Quote Officer Nyota Uhura wrote: MmmmmuuuhahahahaHAHAHA! This is the best shiit I've read for ages in C&P! Please keep on posting. The guys who are already out there shooting should easily break the 100 billion mark in the next few hours. Unless, of course, everyone ejects from their ships. I have a new escalation planned for next week. It should be entertaining.
FloppieTheBanjoClown Putz. 258	Posted - 2011.11.06 21:15:00 - [21] - Quote Officer Nyota Uhura wrote: Psychotic Monk wrote: Both of my Artbirator BPOs and six data cores were in there. Fail. I like your cause, sir, but that's still a fail. Meh. In our line of work, one tends to acquire whatever BPOs pass by.
FloppieTheBanjoClown Putz. 263	Posted - 2011.11.07 23:34:00 - [22] - Quote Lakshata Chawla wrote: You know increasing supply while demand stays the same causes prices to FALL right? You're a greifer though, not an economist. Let's print 10 trillion dollars and put it in the market and see what happens.
FloppieTheBanjoClown Putz. 263	Posted - 2011.11.07 23:39:00 - [23] - Quote Gazmin VanBurin wrote: Yeah seeing 33 Mach kills in 10 days makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside How many have we stolen? I know I negotiated another ejection this morning. I'm pretty sure our number of Machs is closer to 40 by the time we count those.
FloppieTheBanjoClown Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 267	Posted - 2011.11.08 17:08:00 - [24] - Quote Razor Blue wrote: If there was no macro ratters or mining bots, then maybe even ice mining could be making equal income to the Incursions. That is the reason why Incursions pay so well: it cannot be botted to oblivion. Its group PVE activity which requires constant human input. And it does have very limited availability. A valuable lesson that i understood long time ago is not to concern yourselves with other peoples isk/hour. If you do, it will sour the gaming experience very quickly. If CCP ever nerfs Incursion income, i'll consider it as giant ***** slap in real players face and CCP saying: "We kinda like the $$$ from the botting accounts better." The Mittani told me that he's more concerned with L4 mission bots than Incursion income, indicating that he believes they inject more cash into the system than Incursions. I won't argue that as there aren't any real numbers, but I'd certainly agree that mission bots should be dealt with. A dirty fix would be a captcha every 4-5 missions. Ratting bots should be detectable enough based on their actions. That doesn't change the fact that the incursioners claim to be putting 30+ billion isk an hour into the economy, with no comparable isk-sink to prevent inflation. If they do even half that number, that's 10 trillion isk a month being spread out across highsec PVE players who spend it on PLEX and shiny ships/mods, steadily driving prices up. What bothers me about the isk/hour of highsec incursions is that it is equivalent to figures I was seeing working in small wormhole groups. That's really the core problem here: corporations living in nullsec wormholes make the same isk as highsec incursioners, only without the safety and without the CONSTANT availability of isk-producing activities.
FloppieTheBanjoClown Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 267	Posted - 2011.11.08 19:24:00 - [25] - Quote Ammzi wrote: You DARE misquote me. I am so outraged that would I have been a normal troll I'd have put this many exclamation marks in: ----> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <---- Here are the https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=229653#post229653 numbers It's 36,4-38,9 billion isk an hour AT ABSOLUTELY, MEGA, FANTSTIC GIGA ULTRA PEAAAAAK TIME. Get it right before I have to chop it out in dead animal bones and spell it for you on the street. Peak time is the utter peak time of incursion runners INCLUDING the assumption of 3 highsec incursions and extreme crowdness in highsec. Extremely, magically peak time. Estimated to last 20 hours every week. The weekly average is so much lower! umad? You ignore my repeated point that the issue isn't just the quantity of isk they make, it's that they make as much as riskier group activities in nullsec. Nullsec operations have natural isk-sinks. Again: NO COMPARABLE ISK SINK. They put isk into the market with little risk of anything being lost.
FloppieTheBanjoClown Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 267	Posted - 2011.11.08 21:25:00 - [26] - Quote Ammzi wrote: Why do you never talk about incursions in nullsec? They pay out almost double of highsec incursions. Because lowsec and nullsec incursions have natural risk associated with them, the same as wormholes. It's entirely possible for a PVP fleet to show and up ruin the incursion fleets' day without fear of concord. Let me make this clear: I have absolutely no problem with the incursion content. On the contrary, I think it's brilliant. My problem is that the payout of highsec incursions does not reflect the safety afforded to players. Remove the concord protection and we wouldn't be having this conversation.
FloppieTheBanjoClown Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 269	Posted - 2011.11.08 21:27:00 - [27] - Quote boooooosso wrote: OM I just saw this on Youtube. Funny ** ever. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwA--gnZWDA&feature=youtu.be OMG, I'm going to be following this ** from now on. Guy in corp linked it. This is awesome. There will be more videos soon. I have about two hours of footage, including more of Odemis' singing squirrel ransoms. It's just a matter of finding the time to edit.
FloppieTheBanjoClown Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 270	Posted - 2011.11.08 22:47:00 - [28] - Quote kiki mo wrote: good can we lock this thread now? But there are still funnies to be made!
FloppieTheBanjoClown Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 272	Posted - 2011.11.09 23:23:00 - [29] - Quote carmelos53 wrote: It's pretty funny to me^ that you guys are all tearing because your Corp gets banned from two CHANNELS...now add the fact that you knew exactly what your Corp mate was doing and didn't mind it but still feel hurt that your corps are... Let's just repeat this statement.... --->channel banned<--- Carebear doesn't know what tears are. You paid for a war with the Skunkworks. We're giving you what you paid for. Spin it however you need so that you can feel like a big boy, it was the actions of incursioners that got things to this point. carmelos53 wrote: The actions of your Corp members dictate how the people see the group.. Because you can judge an entire group of people by the actions of one. That mentality works so well in real life, let's extend it to Eve!
FloppieTheBanjoClown Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 282	Posted - 2011.11.10 21:42:00 - [30] - Quote Unfortunately the patch is going to force me to skip what was the NEXT step, but Monk's right: we have a lot of plans on the table. This was the low-hanging fruit, that's all.
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks 296	Posted - 2011.11.12 08:01:00 - [31] - Quote Pel Xadi wrote: Does it dismiss the fact that you could have easily explained the situation to CCP for reperation without escalating to its use? Doesn't work. I've tried that in the past, and CCP just sits on reported problems. The only way to get them to actually patch things like this is to do exactly what we did: make it into such a major problem that they can't leave it unpatched.
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks 301	Posted - 2011.11.13 23:11:00 - [32] - Quote Alexandria Aesirial wrote: Good stuff but it's funny that you are whining about the bears wardecking you. Grow some balls. wait...whining? We thought it was hilarious. It was fun, profitable, AND we got to inadvertently grief all the neutral RR users via CCP's hasty and untested patch.
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard 311	Posted - 2011.11.14 12:43:00 - [33] - Quote Tenris Anis wrote: Sometimes you should read more forums, I honestly did not even notice this "war" against btl and incursion runners, but ok. Now let me get this straight? Some dudes in armor hired some mercs to wardeck a few peeps. Those shrunk heads take than revenge but destroying the competition of those dudes and than declare victory over all incursion runners, which are as a whole more or less not affected at all by this? Not quite what happened, but close enough. All bluster and trolling aside, we didn't have to "win" anything. We made lots of isk, had a good time, became moderately notorious, and got CCP to patch the game in order to stop us. THAT is all the win we need.
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard 314	Posted - 2011.11.14 19:36:00 - [34] - Quote Tenris Anis wrote: And bet those armor dudes laughing their ass off right now, Yeah they had a good couple of weeks where there weren't nearly as many shield fleets contesting their sites. They can claim all they want that we didn't have much impact, but I was in the incursion systems watching what kind of fleets were forming up and moving out. Tenris Anis wrote: Anyway, should this patch not work in general for neutral logistics, so far I have seen far more complains about the mechanic in general, so why do you think, you are responsible for the change? The timing, the lack of testing, and the fact that the warning message isn't consistent with the purpose of the patch tells us this was thrown together in a hurry in a response to what we were doing. Unsurprisingly, when CCP pushes a patch out in a matter of days without testing, the patch breaks other stuff. But hey, the incursion bears got what they were yelling for.
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard 314	Posted - 2011.11.14 19:40:00 - [35] - Quote Ammzi wrote: Dek'athor wrote: I'd be curious now to see what is the next exploit Jamming, but that's a whole other issue. I've had an idea related to that that needs some theorycrafting and extensive testing. If I'm right you'll be seeing some hilarious fleet wipes in the future.
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard 314	Posted - 2011.11.14 23:18:00 - [36] - Quote Mr Bill Bravor wrote: You misunderstand, I think your in game exploits are cool. Its bringing it to the board that is kind of lame and care bearish. We brought it to the board because: - C&P needed a semi-epic thread - we can post here when we can't play the game - it amuses us Mr Bill Bravor wrote: And what exactly did the patch do which prevents this now? Any time you give remote assistance to someone with an aggression timer, you'll get a warning. If you're giving assistance to someone and they start an aggression timer, it will shut down your reps (or sebo or whatever) I've heard that this is wreaking all kinds of havoc on PVP logi pilots and RR alts. I haven't confirmed it myself because I'm often too lazy to do things like that.
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard 315	Posted - 2011.11.15 02:18:00 - [37] - Quote Gritz1 wrote: How about -All the gankers and griefers just say they are sansha loyalists, and they are acting in his name. Then this all would be like, totally cool! When we started, we were bringing whatever DPS ships we had. It was a mashup of battleships and battlecruisers, with a cloaky tackler (usually a pilgrim) on grid for mechanical reasons. Once we started making isk off it, anyone who could bought a Phantasm so that we could be ganking with Sansha ships on the killmails. The Pilgrims still lurked nearby for the initial tackle. So there was a bit of Sansha pseudo-roleplay going on. Then we figured out how to get people to eject from their ships (sometimes) and built our own shiny fleet. By the end of it, we were all on-grid with our targets and the cloaky tackler was gone.
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard 317	Posted - 2011.11.15 18:32:00 - [38] - Quote Tah'ris Khlador wrote: Oh hey, let's start this whole thread from the beginning again. Good call. 20 pages and he thinks he's got something to add. Yeah, I'm not doing the rounds with him. Someone get this man some copy/paste.

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