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Captin Cuddlypoops
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.08.23 20:14:00 -
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Before I start, yes Im not an eve newb and yes this is the character i want to bring in FW. Now thats out of the way.
Been considering dropping into faction warfare, didnt really like the look of cal/gal so was wondering whats up in the Amarr/Minmatar zone at the moment. Im looking at things like what corps are currently doing stuff and hence being worth joining, what sort of fleets get flown/ships worth skilling for quickly, pirates to be aware of in the warzone and what FCs are worth following when fleets are going up.
I appreciate it seems like a lot to ask for but I want to know about what I'm getting into rather than just jumping in blind. |
Ciaphas Cyne
HUG NATION
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Posted - 2013.08.23 20:40:00 -
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your search-fu is weak |
Veratrix
Genstar Inc
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Posted - 2013.08.23 21:56:00 -
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If I may, what didn't you like about the cal/gal warzone? |
Starbuck05
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology Innovia Alliance
5
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Posted - 2013.08.24 05:54:00 -
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Minmatar is owning amarr.. and quite frankly have been for a long time ..sadly but can.t be helped cause amarr militia doesnt give a damn thats the problem |
Salicaz
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
145
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Posted - 2013.08.24 06:47:00 -
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Starbuck05 wrote:Minmatar is owning amarr.. and quite frankly have been for a long time ..sadly but can.t be helped cause amarr militia doesnt give a damn thats the problem
Only in general fighting, but we are having quite the influx of caldari farmers atm also. But over all it seems very quiet. |
Karl Planck
Heretic Army Heretic Initiative
341
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Posted - 2013.08.26 15:36:00 -
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Salicaz wrote:Starbuck05 wrote:Minmatar is owning amarr.. and quite frankly have been for a long time ..sadly but can.t be helped cause amarr militia doesnt give a damn thats the problem Only in general fighting, but we are having quite the influx of caldari farmers atm also. But over all it seems very quiet.
end of summer and fweddit is joining CFC apparently. Will be curious to see how the war zone heats up over the fall. Proud CEO of Heretic Army and loyal servent to Mother Amamake. COME AT ME BRO! Forums: http://forum.heretic-army.biz/index.php-á Killboard: http://kb.heretic-army.biz/ Follow me on twitter @KarlPlanck |
Flyinghotpocket
Nasranite Watch OLD MAN GANG
165
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Posted - 2013.08.27 15:08:00 -
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Dont bother with amarr/minmatar. amarr won the war. all the vets left for different aspects of eve.
all there is is minmatar now. |
Lamya Fox
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
8
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Posted - 2013.08.27 15:15:00 -
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I seriously contemplated resubbing my Main just to post this.
But Meh.....We took ourzad while they lived in it. We figured that was our main goal in EVE. We won EVE when we pushed back the last minnie push from three Amarr systems to the fall of Arzad in one months time, The sight of IO carriers gtfo'ing from Arzad undock was all the endgame anyone at Amarr could have asked for.
So ya go ahead and pat yourselves on the back for taking Saht with no one defending it. We all know exactly when push comes to shove who gets pushed and who gets shoved.
AVNG. |
Tho'mas
Alpha Strategy The Unthinkables
17
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Posted - 2013.08.27 17:49:00 -
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Flyinghotpocket wrote:Dont bother with amarr/minmatar. amarr won the war. all the vets left for different aspects of eve.
all there is is minmatar now.
This is the 2nd thread I've seen you declare Amarr as the FW victor over Minmatar. Did you at any point control all the FW zones and have them all upgrade to level 5? |
Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone Caldari State
386
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Posted - 2013.08.27 21:04:00 -
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Flyinghotpocket wrote:Dont bother with amarr/minmatar. amarr won the war. all the vets left for different aspects of eve.
all there is is minmatar now.
The Germans won WWII ,
it's just that all their dudes got bored and left
and then all that was left was the allies.
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Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone Caldari State
386
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Posted - 2013.08.27 21:05:00 -
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here's another fun one:
Flyinghotpocket wrote:Dont bother with amarr/minmatar. all of amarr that were able to do anything or that mattered went to fountain to get roflstomped.
all there is is minmatar now.
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Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone Caldari State
386
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Posted - 2013.08.27 21:09:00 -
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really, this IS fun
Lamya Fox wrote:I seriously contemplated resubbing my Main just to post this.
But Meh.....We took ourzad while they lived in it. We figured that was our main goal in EVE. We won EVE when we pushed back the last minnie push from three Amarr systems to the fall of Arzad in one months time, The sight of IO carriers gtfo'ing from Arzad undock was all the endgame anyone at Amarr could have asked for.
So ya go ahead and pat yourselves on the back for taking Saht with no one defending it. We all know exactly when push comes to shove who gets pushed and who gets shoved.
AVNG.
Remember that time you pushed all the corps and alliances in minnie FW out of their space?
Yeah those were good times..er..what?
What do you mean you only kicked ONE alliance with a couple dozen active pilots out of their long held home only with the help of reddit and their dust bunnies?
Wow. It sounded so much cooler and more epic when you said it. |
Captin Cuddlypoops
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.08.27 21:52:00 -
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Veratrix wrote:If I may, what didn't you like about the cal/gal warzone?
Mostly the way the caldari seem determined to fight each other rather than anyone else and the gallente just seem to be off riding bikes elsewhere or sitting around with their thumbs up their butts. If I'm going to join a war it helps if theres an actual war to join. |
Deen Wispa
Justified Chaos
565
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Posted - 2013.08.27 23:09:00 -
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Captin Cuddlypoops wrote:Veratrix wrote:If I may, what didn't you like about the cal/gal warzone? Mostly the way the caldari seem determined to fight each other rather than anyone else and the gallente just seem to be off riding bikes elsewhere or sitting around with their thumbs up their butts. If I'm going to join a war it helps if theres an actual war to join.
Cal/Gal consistently kills more than Min/Mar warzone on a weekly basis. For this week, we have 5,500 kills versus the 4,000 for the Mar/Minnie. And this doesn't include all the pirate corps that give us pvp content in the area. Min/Mar has no where near the level of pirate activity or militia pvp that Cal/Gal has. I've recruited Min/Mar militia pilots who says the pvp content is night and day between both warzones.
If this doesn't make for an attractive warzone, I'm not sure what does. High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve . |
Taoist Dragon
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
572
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Posted - 2013.08.27 23:19:00 -
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Well with us in the warzone the attractiveness lvl is through the roof! That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything.
http://taoistdragon.blogspot.com.au/ |
Flyinghotpocket
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
165
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Posted - 2013.08.27 23:56:00 -
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Pr1ncess Alia wrote:really, this IS fun Lamya Fox wrote:I seriously contemplated resubbing my Main just to post this.
But Meh.....We took ourzad while they lived in it. We figured that was our main goal in EVE. We won EVE when we pushed back the last minnie push from three Amarr systems to the fall of Arzad in one months time, The sight of IO carriers gtfo'ing from Arzad undock was all the endgame anyone at Amarr could have asked for.
So ya go ahead and pat yourselves on the back for taking Saht with no one defending it. We all know exactly when push comes to shove who gets pushed and who gets shoved.
AVNG. Remember that time you pushed all the corps and alliances in minnie FW out of their space? Yeah those were good times..er..what? What do you mean you only kicked ONE alliance with a couple dozen active pilots out of their long held home only with the help of reddit and their dust bunnies? Wow. It sounded so much cooler and more epic when you said it.
i guess stupidity is in force today
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cearaen
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
9
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Posted - 2013.08.28 15:35:00 -
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Captin Cuddlypoops wrote:Veratrix wrote:If I may, what didn't you like about the cal/gal warzone? Mostly the way the caldari seem determined to fight each other rather than anyone else and the gallente just seem to be off riding bikes elsewhere or sitting around with their thumbs up their butts. If I'm going to join a war it helps if theres an actual war to join.
Are you wondering where there is more randome pvp or are you wondering where their is more of a battle for sov?
For random pvp you can look at the statistics in EVE. They will give you a rough estimate.
As far as battles for sov. Well the vast majority of fw sov is not won through pvp battles. Most plexes are captured by rabbit plexers who run from pvp. You can find them everywhere. Only the severely brain damaged care about fw sov anymore. |
Milton Middleson
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
298
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Posted - 2013.08.28 16:49:00 -
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Captin Cuddlypoops wrote:Before I start, yes Im not an eve newb and yes this is the character i want to bring in FW. Now thats out of the way.
Been considering dropping into faction warfare, didnt really like the look of cal/gal so was wondering whats up in the Amarr/Minmatar zone at the moment. Im looking at things like what corps are currently doing stuff and hence being worth joining, what sort of fleets get flown/ships worth skilling for quickly, pirates to be aware of in the warzone and what FCs are worth following when fleets are going up.
I appreciate it seems like a lot to ask for but I want to know about what I'm getting into rather than just jumping in blind.
Aside from Fweddit and (occasionally I.Laws), the Amarr militia has been in a constant state of collapse since June of 2012. They have an old guard that's totally useless but can't quite bring themselves to quit permanently.
The Minmatar are a bit of a rabble, and a lot of the leaders are really egotistical and obnoxious, but they do actively try to capture the warzone. Except for all the ones who don't.
Pirates: Shadow Cartel is presently basing in the Eugidi constellation, Heretics continue to be a permanent fixture of Amamake, and PL can be annoying when they're home.
Ships: cruisers down, mostly armor. Honestly, cruisers aren't that common; it's almost all frigates and destroyers. This is not the place if you want large gangs or heavier ships. Also, prepare yourself for Link Alts Online, especially in major systems. |
Veratrix
Genstar Inc
1
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Posted - 2013.08.28 17:20:00 -
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Captin Cuddlypoops wrote:Veratrix wrote:If I may, what didn't you like about the cal/gal warzone? Mostly the way the caldari seem determined to fight each other rather than anyone else and the gallente just seem to be off riding bikes elsewhere or sitting around with their thumbs up their butts. If I'm going to join a war it helps if theres an actual war to join.
The actual "war" part of FW is barely applicable anymore. If you are looking to join because you want to be a part of some meaningful fight against 2 groups who hate each other and are fighting for a greater cause blah blah blah, that won't happen. What we do have is tons of pvp, of every variety, with small gang being the norm while BS and caps aren't an exception. Much of the pvp isn't against wartargets but against various pie entities in the area. Not sure how that diminishes the pvp though or the access to it.
The Cal are fractured and disorganized I can't disagree with that. The "thumb up the butt" impression of Gallente on the other hand could not be further from the truth when it comes to pvp. The corps here live and breath it. If you had joined a half decent one you would know that. Or maybe your expectations are to high who knows. |
Captin Cuddlypoops
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.08.28 17:21:00 -
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Deen Wispa wrote:Captin Cuddlypoops wrote:Veratrix wrote:If I may, what didn't you like about the cal/gal warzone? Mostly the way the caldari seem determined to fight each other rather than anyone else and the gallente just seem to be off riding bikes elsewhere or sitting around with their thumbs up their butts. If I'm going to join a war it helps if theres an actual war to join. Cal/Gal consistently kills more than Min/Mar warzone on a weekly basis. For this week, we have 5,500 kills versus the 4,000 for the Mar/Minnie. And this doesn't include all the pirate corps that give us pvp content in the area. Min/Mar has no where near the level of pirate activity or militia pvp that Cal/Gal has. I've recruited Min/Mar militia pilots who says the pvp content is night and day between both warzones. If this doesn't make for an attractive warzone, I'm not sure what does.
Hmm, i have to admit ive not seen much of that when ive been flying through, think ill have to spend some more time scouting it out then, thanks for the update |
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Captin Cuddlypoops
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.08.28 17:22:00 -
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Veratrix wrote:Captin Cuddlypoops wrote:Veratrix wrote:If I may, what didn't you like about the cal/gal warzone? Mostly the way the caldari seem determined to fight each other rather than anyone else and the gallente just seem to be off riding bikes elsewhere or sitting around with their thumbs up their butts. If I'm going to join a war it helps if theres an actual war to join. The actual "war" part of FW is barely applicable anymore. If you are looking to join because you want to be a part of some meaningful fight against 2 groups who hate each other and are fighting for a greater cause blah blah blah, that won't happen. What we do have is tons of pvp, of every variety, with small gang being the norm while BS and caps aren't an exception. Much of the pvp isn't against wartargets but against various pie entities in the area. Not sure how that diminishes the pvp though or the access to it. The Cal are fractured and disorganized I can't disagree with that. The "thumb up the butt" impression of Gallente on the other hand could not be further from the truth when it comes to pvp. The corps here live and breath it. If you had joined a half decent one you would know that. Or maybe your expectations are to high who knows.
Yeah like i said above i think im going to have to spend some more time scouting out the area, i seem to have got the wrong impression first time around. |
Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
70
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Posted - 2013.08.28 19:30:00 -
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Sadly, there's only pve left now.
After Fweddit (and to a lesser extent, roflpockets and the Sahtogas crew) took Arzad in a mad pve effort, it all went downhill.
Maybe 3 weeks ago, things started to look slightly better. A few fweddit came back, quiet a few old amarr FCs logged in again, 2 Caldari corps moved into Kamela and even Innovia Alliance seemed to figure out how to fit ships for pvp.
Then a random pirate corp started camping Kamela 23/7, Biohazard recruited every single pilot who could fly a rifter and knew how to lock an ihub and here we are now.
Kamela is empty and about to fall, Sahtogas was flipped without any resistance and just yesterday Biohazard reactivated every single LP ***** by pushing to T4.
Meh. pew pew |
Cearain
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1062
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Posted - 2013.08.30 16:40:00 -
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Zen Guerrilla wrote:Sadly, there's only pve left now.
After Fweddit (and to a lesser extent, roflpockets and the Sahtogas crew) took Arzad in a mad pve effort, it all went downhill.
Maybe 3 weeks ago, things started to look slightly better. A few fweddit came back, quiet a few old amarr FCs logged in again, 2 Caldari corps moved into Kamela and even Innovia Alliance seemed to figure out how to fit ships for pvp.
Then a random pirate corp started camping Kamela 23/7, Biohazard recruited every single pilot who could fly a rifter and knew how to lock an ihub and here we are now.
Kamela is empty and about to fall, Sahtogas was flipped without any resistance and just yesterday Biohazard reactivated every single LP ***** by pushing to T4.
Meh.
Here are some stats from today:
Caldari: total pilots -6891; kills last week- 3,042 systems 32; vp last week .24m Gallente: total pilots- 5412; total kills last week - 3070 systems 69; vp last week .31m Amarr: total pilots- 4108; total kills last week - 2177 systems 8; vp last week .13 Minimatar: total pilots- 5361; total kills last week-1668 systems 62; vp last week .16m
The relation between kills and sov is a tricky one. There may just happen to be allot of pvp unrelated to plexing that still comes in.
Minmatar are clearly the most dominant in this war now with 88.5% of the war zone. Yet they have the fewest kills per pilot and fewer kills per vp than amarr. Gallente which is doing second best in the sov war with 68.3% does have the most kills per character in fw but has the fewest kills per vp.
To my mind the kills per vp is the more important figue. Lots of those characters counted as pilots are alts that may not actually be logged in let alone in space. Getting vp actually requires someone to be in space. When I was farming some missions for minmatar the last 2 days there appeared to be well over 2xs as many minmatar in local than amarr. Maybe even 4xs as many.
But even vp per kill is pretty lacking. CCP doesn't include the vp gained from cross plexxing. This leaves a huge hole for example in the number of vp per kill for the minmatar plexing in gallente caldari space and caldari plexing in amarr space. However the caldari probably have enough to farm in their own front.
TLDR: Statistics given aren't sufficient to say much but what they do show tends to confirm fw sov is more about rabbit plexing alts than it is about pvp. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Aslon Seridith
Biohazard. WINMATAR.
85
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:42:00 -
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Zen Guerrilla wrote:Sadly, there's only pve left now.
After Fweddit (and to a lesser extent, roflpockets and the Sahtogas crew) took Arzad in a mad pve effort, it all went downhill.
Maybe 3 weeks ago, things started to look slightly better. A few fweddit came back, quiet a few old amarr FCs logged in again, 2 Caldari corps moved into Kamela and even Innovia Alliance seemed to figure out how to fit ships for pvp.
Then a random pirate corp started camping Kamela 23/7, Biohazard recruited every single pilot who could fly a rifter and knew how to lock an ihub and here we are now.
Kamela is empty and about to fall, Sahtogas was flipped without any resistance and just yesterday Biohazard reactivated every single LP ***** by pushing to T4.
Meh.
There is still plenty of pvp
You gotta roam further & lead more gangs to run into more pvp m8 ,, not just wait till they bother to come to your systems. Like even though, biohazard/winmatar, pretty much spearheaded the whole warzone push. We still manage to find ourselves pvp everyday & continue to do so.
Just gotta have the fc's & active members looking for these fights and knowing where to go if your area is a bit dry. Like now the amarr pretty much gave up on fw, whatever they claim their reasons to be, we pretty much demoralized them for weeks resulting in all of their fc's quiting fw, cuz they just couldnt handle the defeats anymore.
But.., eventually Amarr will start & try to push again, which will create more pvp. Yet even rightnow, systems like; Siseide have still Amarr willing to fight if you don't blob them. Creating better doctrines will also allow u to take on better & bigger groups like 0.0 alliances or elite low sec pirate groups.
Biohazard as a single corporation, killed 1400 the last month, while your alliance as a whole only did 1548,, just shows there is plenty of PVP, but apparantly not everyone seems to be able to find this. Which in the end is just a matter of roaming & knowing where your targets area's are.
happy hunting
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Samurai Pizza Cats
644
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Posted - 2013.08.31 14:36:00 -
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Zen Guerrilla wrote:Sadly, there's only pve left now.
After Fweddit (and to a lesser extent, roflpockets and the Sahtogas crew) took Arzad in a mad pve effort,
Id like to identify the main problem with faction war. Its all there in this post. While *pockets may be a tedious presence in any local or forum (cant be too harsh, dudes gotta get release from the frustration of working the deli counter), saying they took arzad in a pve drive is basically saying that you didnt fight for your home system. A shady pve insult doesnt hide that. |
Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
71
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Posted - 2013.08.31 17:56:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Zen Guerrilla wrote:Sadly, there's only pve left now.
After Fweddit (and to a lesser extent, roflpockets and the Sahtogas crew) took Arzad in a mad pve effort, Id like to identify the main problem with faction war. Its all there in this post. While *pockets may be a tedious presence in any local or forum (cant be too harsh, dudes gotta get release from the frustration of working the deli counter), saying they took arzad in a pve drive is basically saying that you didnt fight for your home system. A shady pve insult doesnt hide that. Well, we actually had a chance to hold Arzad until Fweddit came in in full force and kept plexing nonstop for 24 hours, all of this with full dust bonus. After those 24 hours it was over as we simply couldn't field enough people and cover all timezones.
So basically, they won in a pve drive.
/edit
And now i'm getting advice on pvp from Biohazard. I gotta get out of these forums. pew pew |
Zarnak Wulf
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
1296
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Posted - 2013.09.01 01:58:00 -
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Choosing between Amarr and Minmatar for FW is a very simply proposition. On one hand you can make good isk and find PvP almost at the drop of a hat. On the other hand you can make fantastic isk but at time struggle to find the same frequency of combat. For myself - having chosen Amarr - the choice of lower isk I make is the premium I pay for not having to wait for my PvP.
I plex a lot. When I log in I'll typically grab a frigate, destroyer, or cruiser, head to a random system, and open up a plex. Typically someone is along in short order. Plexes are how I find 90% of my combat fun. The other 10% comes from nightly alliance roams. Plexes are also how I fund my ships. I can average about 2 billion isk a month playing part time for a militia habitually at tier one. As much as people want to min/max the game and complain about the LP discrepancy - the profit margins for FW regardless of which side you're on are just stupid. I can replace most ships 3-4 x and have 5 different clones for different ship types.
IMHO FW revolves around two simple factors - docking rights and bragging rights. Isk over time is inconsequential. Docking rights can be circumvented with a POS. Bragging rights are important and I'm not going to thump my chest and declare, "I didn't want those systems anyways." However I've:
Defensive plexed for 8+ hours a day. And watched those days turn into weeks turn into months. Fought sleep to complete one more plex while one day old alts quietly watch and wait for me to log off. Fretted the day at work wondering how much of our progress the Russians were going to undo. Shot out desperate messages from work inquiring about the status of certain systems. And on and on.
I did the above for nine months straight. And then I went away for three months. I'm not alone with Amarr who went away. And surprisingly there seems to be quite a few of us returning at the same time. I still like those bragging rights. But if I'm going to stress out about a computer game war - it damn well better have better benefits in play then simply bragging rights. |
Andreus Ixiris
Duty. The Cursed Few
3305
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Posted - 2013.09.01 23:00:00 -
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What's this I hear about Fweddit leaving the warzone? Mane 614
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1551
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Posted - 2013.09.01 23:28:00 -
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This all sounds like Post-FW Stress Disorder. Occupancy warfare is HARD, requires effort, and leads to massive burnout. What FW needs is a good set of Psychologists and Counselors to help our frazzled vets transition to a normal Eve life after they are done.
Just think of all the harm done to the families of FW pilots all over New Eden. Did CONCORD think about these unintended consequences when it implemented this feature? Well??!!
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Zarnak Wulf
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
1297
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Posted - 2013.09.01 23:46:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:This all sounds like Post-FW Stress Disorder. Occupancy warfare is HARD, requires effort, and leads to massive burnout. What FW needs is a good set of Psychologists and Counselors to help our frazzled vets transition to a normal Eve life after they are done.
Just think of all the harm done to the families of FW pilots all over New Eden. Did CONCORD think about these unintended consequences when it implemented this feature? Well??!!
Keep it up and I'll give Cearain your home number. |
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