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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.02 04:23:00 -
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Gallente and Matar like each other.
Caldari hates Gallente.
Amarr hates Gallente.
Amarr hates Matar.
Khanid like Caldari.
Mordu loves Caldari.
Ammatar likes Amarr.
Intaki Syndicate hates Gallente.
Thukker hates Matar.
It appears to me that the Federation and Republic might be royally screwed.
Caldari State + Amarr Empire + Khanid Kingdom + Ammatar Mandate + Mordu's Legion + Thukker Tribe + Intaki Syndicate = BAD for the Gallente Federation and Minmatar Republic. ----------------------------------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk
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Partisan Ograe
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Posted - 2006.01.02 04:26:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Caldari State + Amarr Empire + Khanid Kingdom + Ammatar Mandate + Mordu's Legion + Thukker Tribe + Intaki Syndicate = BAD for the Gallente Federation and Minmatar Republic.
Thats what I was thinking. BRING OUT THE DRONES!!!! What only 5? Ummm..... mommy.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.01.02 04:34:00 -
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Originally by: Frezik
Actually, Amarr and Caldari have never really liked each other. Caldari are close to the Khanid Kingdom (which is why Khanid ships tend to be more advanced than orginal Empire stuff). Amarr obviously don't like either Gallente or Minmatar, but they'll put up with the Caldari. Caldari don't have any particular reason not to like the Minmatar, but they'll go fight them if it means they have the Amarr on their side to kill Gallente.
OTOH, the Gallente and Minmatar actually like each other. There's a large Minmatar population in the Federation. This may work to counteract any numerical disadvantage.
Just what are the breakdowns over the player population for racial standings, anyway? I'd imagine the Amarr come up a bit short in comparison to their Empire size, due to the hatred of slavery in modern western culture. Though I'd never say it when in character, I have some respect for the PIE guys who are able to roleplay Amarrians, even though they probably don't support slavery in real life.
It's basically about freedom. The Gallente love freedom. We abhor slavery and so do the minmatar. We share common ideals and an alliance is obvious. The Caldari hate the Gallente and the Amarr hate the minmatar. Their alliance is more an alliance of convenience. They help each other because when the Gallente and Minmatar work together, they are a common enemy of both.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.02 04:50:00 -
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The Amarrians directly hate the Gallenteans because they think Gallenteans are sinful AND because they resisted the Amarrian invasion. ----------------------------------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2006.01.02 05:27:00 -
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This has been obvious for quite some time. I took most notice to it during Cold War when the New World Order came about. Amarr to Lustrevik used to be about 8 jumps, then the Ashab - Kehour jump was removed, so the shortest path now is through Tanoo (I think thats the spelling), and involves some low sec systems through Derelik.
Which makes a great deal of sense, because Derelik would be the Amarr/Minmatar "Front".
Caldari and Amarr got a direct route, which never existed before. You used to have to go through Gallente space to get to Caldari space from Amarr. Now you can go through Nairja/Madmirille (sp?).
The direct high sec link between Caldari and Minmatar space was absolved. I can't remember the exact systems but I think one of the newbie starter systems in Minnie space used to be two jumps away from Perimeter.
The shortest connection between Caldari and Gallente space (much like Amarr-Minmatar) is now a low sec route through Tannolen/Tierijev and Crielere/Iyen-Oursa. This fits perfectly with the back story, if you'll read the "Tierijev Pocket" Chronicle. Kemerk/Jita was absolved, obviously.. that used to put Jita and Yulai two jumps apart, and was by far the busiest gate in EVE (now that seems to be Ours-Renyn).
Theres a lot of neat back door routes between the empires that opened up as well. Placid connects to Lonetrek, for example. My guess would be that the high sec routes will remain, but the shorter/unsafe and more unofficial links will become points of interest in Kali. Conquerable systems, and the like.. where the ruling faction obviously gains some strategic advantage for their empire. Safety for its own travellers, while taxing the enemy would be my other guess.
At one point, Viceroy and I were considering basing outselves out of Manjonakko or Tierijev just to cause a mess, but I figure nobody will use that path until the high sec routes are tolled.
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JamesTalon
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Posted - 2006.01.02 05:37:00 -
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Would make sense that the Caldari would help the Amarr and form an alliance of sorts. After all, the Caldari homeworld is in Gallantean space, so anything to help get that back is welcome :)
Oh, and I pledge myself to the Corperations of the Caldari State
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.01.02 05:51:00 -
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Originally by: DigitalCommunist At one point, Viceroy and I were considering basing outselves out of Manjonakko or Tierijev just to cause a mess, but I figure nobody will use that path until the high sec routes are tolled.
You should definitely do that! A mere side-effect would be you not pirating sysems I like any more, of course :p.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.02 06:22:00 -
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Originally by: JamesTalon Oh, and I pledge myself to the Corperations of the Caldari State
Good man. ----------------------------------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.01.02 06:28:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Originally by: JamesTalon Oh, and I pledge myself to the Corperations of the Caldari State
Good man.
Thats it, you're both going on my naughty list.
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Mikha'il Pelegius
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Posted - 2006.01.02 06:39:00 -
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Kick the tires and light the fires. ----------------------
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Logan Xerxes
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Posted - 2006.01.02 06:41:00 -
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And we know what "naughty" means to a gallente
Originally by: Balrog Valarauko Iknew a guy back in high school that was from Romania I think. His name was Anus. No joke...poor kid.[/qu |
Partisan Ograe
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Posted - 2006.01.02 06:43:00 -
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Originally by: Logan Xerxes And we know what "naughty" means to a gallente
Yeah, a damsel in distress......
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.02 06:55:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Originally by: JamesTalon Oh, and I pledge myself to the Corperations of the Caldari State
Good man.
Thats it, you're both going on my naughty list.
Dude...not cool...I'm straight. And no, I don't "experiment". ----------------------------------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.01.02 07:01:00 -
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Originally by: Partisan Ograe
Originally by: Logan Xerxes And we know what "naughty" means to a gallente
Yeah, a damsel in distress......
Didn't you hear? The damsel is no longer in distress. She finally gave in and accepted her fate to live in the brothel.
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Gothikia
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Posted - 2006.01.02 07:08:00 -
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Edited by: Gothikia on 02/01/2006 07:08:16
Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Partisan Ograe
Originally by: Logan Xerxes And we know what "naughty" means to a gallente
Yeah, a damsel in distress......
Didn't you hear? The damsel is no longer in distress. She finally gave in and accepted her fate to live in the brothel.
no she was sick of getting rescued all the time so got the hint and finally installed better security systems at home
ps. i also pledge myself to the Caldari, depite being Minmatar -------------
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Partisan Ograe
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Posted - 2006.01.02 07:14:00 -
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Originally by: Gothikia Edited by: Gothikia on 02/01/2006 07:08:16
Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Partisan Ograe
Originally by: Logan Xerxes And we know what "naughty" means to a gallente
Yeah, a damsel in distress......
Didn't you hear? The damsel is no longer in distress. She finally gave in and accepted her fate to live in the brothel.
no she was sick of getting rescued all the time so got the hint and finally installed better security systems at home
ps. i also pledge myself to the Caldari, depite being Minmatar
But shes Gallente so shes still a ho whether her father even knows.
** So, I like mining, whats the big deal? ** |
ManOfHonor
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Posted - 2006.01.02 07:30:00 -
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Edited by: ManOfHonor on 02/01/2006 07:30:45 [RP]
In the name of the brave warriors who have died besid me....
I VOW TO ANNIHILATE THE FOUL AMARR SCOURGE, AND ALL WHO WOULD SUPPORT THEM!
Death the the ignorant bastards! Death to their god! Death to the imperial family! And DEATH, Death to their empire!
Your time is dwindling, scum!
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w00t! Death to them all
their fugly ships and cowardly ways! _____________________________ NPC Asteroid Belt Bases Honor Above Self Glory For Self Strength Of Self |
Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.02 08:28:00 -
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Originally by: ManOfHonor their fugly ships
Says the man with the second-ugliest ships (second only to mine), to the man with the only really beautiful ones. ----------------------------------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk
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Sheriff Jones
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Posted - 2006.01.02 08:34:00 -
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I don't know if the minmatar are screwed, but i'd sure like to try and do so to some of the lovely minnie ladies
I'm a dirty old amarr, i don't hate anyone, i just want us all to....get along.
If you don't break the law that is.
I'm concord...well...if they'd accept my application!
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.01.02 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
I'm a dirty old amarr, i don't hate anyone, i just want us all to....get along. If you don't break the law that is. I'm concord...well...if they'd accept my application!
Heh. So you're a concord "Sheriff"?
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Dektakison
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Posted - 2006.01.02 21:13:00 -
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My concern, justified or not, is that this developing conflict will not only tear apart the factional peace, but it has a the potential to tear apart alliances and corporations.
For example, if my corporation is Amarr based, but I'm Gallente, factions standings are going to change. Already, our corporation hasn't a chance of reaching corp faction standing to greater than 8.0 for clone jumping because we have amarr and gallente, caldari and minmitar in or corp. There's developing interaction between between angel cartel and ASCN (my personal standing with angel cartel is in the drain), and I can only see this getting worse as our alliance becomes more aligned with angel cartel.
I can't run missions for Amarr because it causes drastic drops in my gallente standing (where all my research agents are based). This impacts the amount of research points I'll be able to generate in the future, and deminishes the chance for tech 2 bpo's for my corp and alliance.
I already sense the tension. I can only imagine it getting worse. This adds a dramatic and potentially devisive flavor to an already fascinating game.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.01.02 21:33:00 -
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So with all this coming wars, what will happen to Amarrian-Minmatar half-breds, where will they go?
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.01.02 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: Dektakison My concern, justified or not, is that this developing conflict will not only tear apart the factional peace, but it has a the potential to tear apart alliances and corporations.
For example, if my corporation is Amarr based, but I'm Gallente, factions standings are going to change. Already, our corporation hasn't a chance of reaching corp faction standing to greater than 8.0 for clone jumping because we have amarr and gallente, caldari and minmitar in or corp. There's developing interaction between between angel cartel and ASCN (my personal standing with angel cartel is in the drain), and I can only see this getting worse as our alliance becomes more aligned with angel cartel.
I can't run missions for Amarr because it causes drastic drops in my gallente standing (where all my research agents are based). This impacts the amount of research points I'll be able to generate in the future, and deminishes the chance for tech 2 bpo's for my corp and alliance.
I already sense the tension. I can only imagine it getting worse. This adds a dramatic and potentially devisive flavor to an already fascinating game.
My corp has gallente and caldari pilots. Officially, we favour the gallente and minmatar nations and hate the caldari and amarr nations. I set the standings as such. The individual players, however, are free to like and hate who they want. Unless getting your corp to -10 (if that's possible) will flag them all as KOS to that faction, there's no need to worry about it tearing corps apart except for the roleplaying and teamworking sense.
A corporation has its own goals. There's no reason there can't be separate internal conflict as long as those goals are met :). And I imagine a few amarr slugs will be sabotaging the efforts of their minmatar corpmates before the end of the month.
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire So with all this coming wars, what will happen to Amarrian-Minmatar half-breds, where will they go?
Outcasts! Outcasts, I say! Well .. they can pick a side I suppose or remain neutral. It's up to them. Actually, a corpmate of mine wants to be hated by all four racial factions O_o. That's insane.
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Bruce Habs
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Posted - 2006.01.02 22:18:00 -
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Originally by: Kastiotic
While the jovians are off eating ice cream and making fun of us.
Well, Jove has grown a dislike for Amarr and Gallente... at least they don't pick sides.
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Partisan Ograe
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Posted - 2006.01.02 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Bruce Habs
Originally by: Kastiotic
While the jovians are off eating ice cream and making fun of us.
Well, Jove has grown a dislike for Amarr and Gallente... at least they don't pick sides.
True but do they dislike the Amarr and Galente enough to not help the Minmatar and Caldari?
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.01.02 22:30:00 -
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I know my bf is a Jove.
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Partisan Ograe
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Posted - 2006.01.02 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire I know my bf is a Jove.
Well at least he has good taste.
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Ysolde Xen
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Posted - 2006.01.02 22:46:00 -
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I wonder what would happen if Blaque wins the election? I can see the Intaki getting ignored and kicked around until they quit the Federation entirely, along with hoslities from the government to the millions of Matari in Galletnte space until they leave as well. He's a xenophobic warmonger and I can't see him being interested in the Minmatar as allies... Maybe just to use them as suicide anti-Caldari/Amarr troops. (Anyway the Caldari/Amarr alliance is the weakest in terms of liking one another, going by their previous relationships. They had Like standings of 3-4 or so prior compared to the Gallente-Minmatar 8. Anyway the Caldari have no spirituality - they worship ISK not God )
If Blaque wins the Minmatar-Gallente 'side' is very much in the bin
But yeah this is causing some serious mess in multiracial corps with standings dropping like flies all over the place and causing serious screw ups with R&D agents. And please please please don't let it become a lame rip off of Alliance-Horde...
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Just because you couldn't get a ship to do what you wanted doesn't mean it's a crap ship - it means you're a crap pilot of that ship.
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Itzena
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Posted - 2006.01.03 00:15:00 -
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Edited by: Itzena on 03/01/2006 00:15:47 Edited by: Itzena on 03/01/2006 00:15:32
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Originally by: ManOfHonor their fugly ships
Says the man with the second-ugliest ships (second only to mine), to the man with the only really beautiful ones.
Thank you! I wonder sometimes if we Amarr acquired the only Matari with any sense of aesthetics in our police actions, leaving those behind who though that 'scrapyard-mated-with-scaffolding' was a good look.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.01.03 00:49:00 -
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Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 03/01/2006 00:55:20 Sorry, mis-post. Dont know much about RP stuffs to comment yet.
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