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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.01.02 02:19:00 -
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With the Red Moon Rising patch came some much needed changes, updates, fixes, equipment and ships. The one part which was mostly overlooked by players and barely hinted at by the patch notes was the introduction of new mission arcs.
"At least one mission sequence, consisting of 3-5 missions, has been added to each Empire faction block for level 2, 3 and 4 agents. The Empire faction blocks are Amarr/Caldari and Gallente/Minmatar." - The patch Notes
It seems simple enough - we got some new missions like we did with the last patch. It wasn't until I actually had one of these missions that I realised the significance of the wording in the above quote from the patch notes, particularly the parts "Amarr/Caldari" and "Gallente/Minmatar". They refer to faction alliances. The Amarr and Caldari are forming an alliance and the Gallente and Minmatar are forming an alliance. I came to this conclusion after running one of the new mission arcs. "Human Cattle", it was called. It's one of the new Gallente/Minmatar mission arcs and is in five parts. In this mission arc, you find that people are being abducted from outposts belonging to your nation and you go to investigate.
In part three, you catch the guys in the act - It's the Caldari Navy. In part four, the collection ships for hauling abductees are tracked fleeing from the colony after seeing the wreckage of the caldari navy vessels you destroyed in part four. You follow them and intercept them at a deadspace gate. You have found their hideout. In part five, you go on a reconnaisaince mission into the complex. After destroying the enemies in the first and second levels, which are mercenaries and caldari ships, you go into level 3 of the complex. What did I find in there? An entire fleet of Amarr Navy eites, blocks of officer housing and a whole row of slave farms. The mission ends there and then, you can go home and complete it. It is, after all, only a level 2 mission.
It's clear the Caldari and Amarr have allied themselves and their incursions into Gallente space are no longer limited to a slight caldari military presence as in previous missions. They're aiding the Amarr in making slaves of us. Killing them give a faction penalty and right now my faction standing with the caldari and amarr is dropping like a stone... and I love it. Long live the Gallente-Minmatar alliance and long live freedom.
Pick a side, guys, because the red moon is rising and the cold war is really starting to heat up. This is only the beginning.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.01.02 02:22:00 -
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Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 02/01/2006 02:26:00
Die Gallentean-Minmatar filth!
Red when the moon is, so shall all of Gallentean-Minmatar space, begun the incursion has...
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Cmdr Sy
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Posted - 2006.01.02 02:25:00 -
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I like the Gallente and Amarr factions, and dislike Caldari and Minmatar, so I am getting really shafted by this.
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Kastiotic
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Posted - 2006.01.02 02:25:00 -
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There has been this feeling before the Red Moon Rising patch.
The Amarr and the Caldari have always been close since neither of them are fond of the Gallente.
The Gallente and the Minmatar have been close since the Gallente helped the Minmatar establish thier own empire.
While the jovians are off eating ice cream and making fun of us.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.01.02 02:33:00 -
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Originally by: Cmdr Sy I like the Gallente and Amarr factions, and dislike Caldari and Minmatar, so I am getting really shafted by this.
Pick a side before it's too late. And if it's not my side, god help you.
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Galk
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Posted - 2006.01.02 02:42:00 -
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Id rather not, from now on only my alt will actualy shoot at the caldari faction ships.
Not actualy sure on this, but i heard that caldari forces will shoot at my ships if my rating gets that bad with them... aka it's not going to happen if it's true...
I don't fancy like losing half the map to travel through, least of all my enemies that im sure would take residence in caldari space ______
862 buses later, galks back on the road again:)
Seasons greetings, merry christmas to one and to all.
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Dyvim Slorm
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Posted - 2006.01.02 02:44:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
I came to this conclusion after running one of the new mission arcs. "Human Cattle", it was called. It's one of the new Gallente/Minmatar mission arcs and is in five parts. In this mission arc, you find that people are being abducted from outposts belonging to your nation and you go to investigate.
Hmm, sounds like its the other half of the 5 part Portal to War mission, where those sneaky Amarr and Calderi are activating old gates.
Things are getting interesting
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.01.02 02:45:00 -
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Originally by: Galk Not actualy sure on this, but i heard that caldari forces will shoot at my ships if my rating gets that bad with them... aka it's not going to happen if it's true...
I would love that to happen to me. It would rule to be sneaking into Caldari space under fire :D.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.01.02 02:51:00 -
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Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 02/01/2006 02:51:55
Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Galk Not actualy sure on this, but i heard that caldari forces will shoot at my ships if my rating gets that bad with them... aka it's not going to happen if it's true...
I would love that to happen to me. It would rule to be sneaking into Caldari space under fire :D.
Hmmmm... in RP terms, nice. In reality, not nice. Faction space, neutral zones, and travelling to alliance space via non-faction high-sec space. Things are going to get hard. If this happens, I can only forsee "islands" of Caldarians-Amarrians space and Gallentean-Minmatar space, along with neutral rivers i.e. low secs leading to 0.0 space. More activity spreaded out? Interesting, but trading will most probably be concentrated at neutral zones because you can haul stuffs from islands to neutral grounds without being killed by faction A.I.
Summary: 1. More activities in low secs. 2. More trouble (getting ganked, time consumption, etc.) going to alliance space and normal space. 3. Travelling will take ages because no more safe short cuts to Caldari space via Gallentean space from Minmatar space, i.e. high sec travels. 4. Quite messy if not properly planned out though.
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Gothikia
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Posted - 2006.01.02 02:52:00 -
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oh baby, nice story line :) ------------- Gothikia [IDEA] Player Created Empires
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Galk
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Posted - 2006.01.02 03:02:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 02/01/2006 02:51:55
Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Galk Not actualy sure on this, but i heard that caldari forces will shoot at my ships if my rating gets that bad with them... aka it's not going to happen if it's true...
I would love that to happen to me. It would rule to be sneaking into Caldari space under fire :D.
Hmmmm... in RP terms, nice. In reality, not nice. Faction space, neutral zones, and travelling to alliance space via non-faction high-sec space. Things are going to get hard. If this happens, I can only forsee "islands" of Caldarians-Amarrians space and Gallentean-Minmatar space, along with neutral rivers i.e. low secs leading to 0.0 space. More activity spreaded out? Interesting, but trading will most probably be concentrated at neutral zones because you can haul stuffs from islands to neutral grounds without being killed by faction A.I.
Summary: 1. More activities in low secs. 2. More trouble (getting ganked, time consumption, etc.) going to alliance space and normal space. 3. Travelling will take ages because no more safe short cuts to Caldari space via Gallentean space from Minmatar space, i.e. high sec travels. 4. Quite messy if not properly planned out though.
Pretty much what i was thinking, but as allways im blunt to the point.
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862 buses later, galks back on the road again:)
Seasons greetings, merry christmas to one and to all.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.01.02 03:04:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Summary: 1. More activities in low secs. 2. More trouble (getting ganked, time consumption, etc.) going to alliance space and normal space. 3. Travelling will take ages because no more safe short cuts to Caldari space via Gallentean space from Minmatar space, i.e. high sec travels. 4. Quite messy if not properly planned out though.
Well they've got until kali before outright war breaks out, if I garner the correct meaning from "Kali". The map may very well become a lot more factionalised but I think that can be only a good thing. It could be messy but I have a feeling when people's factions tarts dropping low enough they'll make travelling a lot more plausible with delayed faction-ship reaction times or something similarly simple. Also putting a 5-10 minute delay on reinforcements would help. Make it difficult but not impossible.
Regardless of what measures may be implemented to keep this smooth and maintain playability, it IS coming for those that run missions. It's a choice to ally yourself with one faction and you really have to work hard to get the other factions to hate you, which is what I'm doing now.
Originally by: Gothikia oh baby, nice story line :)
Yeah, they've really been putting the work into these missions. I hope they make more. Lots more.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.02 03:06:00 -
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I think it's time for me to get serious about running missions.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.01.02 03:07:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
Regardless of what measures may be implemented to keep this smooth and maintain playability, it IS coming for those that run missions. It's a choice to ally yourself with one faction and you really have to work hard to get the other factions to hate you, which is what I'm doing now.
Think I am going to be neutral for the time being, missions are totally messed up for me and not really interested in running them anymore. Maybe I wont be factionalised
Also, if this is going to happen, CCP better gives us 1 to 2 months advance warning to start to relocate/move our stuffs. Logistic will be ugly (very ugly) at start.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.01.02 03:11:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Nyphur
Regardless of what measures may be implemented to keep this smooth and maintain playability, it IS coming for those that run missions. It's a choice to ally yourself with one faction and you really have to work hard to get the other factions to hate you, which is what I'm doing now.
Think I am going to be neutral for the time being, missions are totally messed up for me and not really interested in running them anymore. Maybe I wont be factionalised
Also, if this is going to happen, CCP better gives us 1 to 2 months advance warning to start to relocate/move our stuffs. Logistic will be ugly (very ugly) at start.
It's not a short term thing, though. It's something that is going to take a lot of dedicated work fighting for your faction before it begins to affect you to any great degree. I assume if you see your faction with the caldari is dropping you'd have the foresight to move all your stuff out of caldari space or get an alt to do it. Moving things isn't going to be a major issue since alts and neutral people are of course going to be around the whole time, even in kali.
I suppose you don't have to get involved if you don't want to .. cowards! Fight for your race! :D
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2006.01.02 03:12:00 -
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we need a big boost in the depth of missions - interbus and the jove and concord need to be activated
Intaki - blood raiders and others that are highly used in that area need a boost. Also dual missions for low sec ie blood and sansha working together and 50% of each in the same mission. Im a happy little camper now - CCP 4tw. |
Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.01.02 03:16:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
1. It's not a short term thing, though. It's something that is going to take a lot of dedicated work fighting for your faction before it begins to affect you to any great degree. I assume if you see your faction with the caldari is dropping you'd have the foresight to move all your stuff out of caldari space or get an alt to do it. Moving things isn't going to be a major issue since alts and neutral people are of course going to be around the whole time, even in kali.
2. I suppose you don't have to get involved if you don't want to .. cowards! Fight for your race! :D
1. If so, dont think you can or interesting to have neutrals. If you are Caldari, you will have some +ve auto standings. Either way, if you go to Gallentean space, you are going to get it. Unless, you use one faction to haul to neutral zone, and another faction to haul to destination space. Trouble
2. Bleh... I think I pod one too many Gallentean-Minmatar scums these days.
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Slink Grinsdikild
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Posted - 2006.01.02 03:43:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari I think it's time for me to get serious about running missions.
Caldari Navy, I am at your service
Thats the problem. It seems we're getting pushed more and more into doing agent missions. (Think: Rebirth, Research Slots, PoS's)
EVE was once advertised as a grindless MMO, can the same still be said when Kali unfolds? It seems with each new feature we are forced to grind faction standing in order to get the most out of them. CCP are using slogans like "Its time to choose sides" and "Who will you fight for?" in their E-ON magazine regarding RMR/Kali. Ring a bell to anyone? Its not quite Warcraft-in-Space yet, but we're headed in that direction. EVE is in danger of losing that what makes it unique.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.01.02 03:49:00 -
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Originally by: Slink Grinsdikild Its not quite Warcraft-in-Space yet, but we're headed in that direction. EVE is in danger of losing that what makes it unique.
Alliance vs Horde? Oh, I mean Caldamarrian Conglomerate vs Gallintar Horde?
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Slink Grinsdikild
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Posted - 2006.01.02 03:51:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Alliance vs Horde? Oh, I mean Caldamarrian Conglomerate vs Gallintar Horde?
Quite. I was being serious, and Mrs Doubt -errr Spitfire has to come along and ruin it.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.02 03:59:00 -
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Edited by: Nikolai Nuvolari on 02/01/2006 03:59:01 Slink makes a valid point, even if it is funny to make fun of him for being part of the Gallintar Horde.
And Mrs. Doubtfire was a damned good movie. Robin Williams FTW.
Seriously, the grind issue is a little worrying, but I suspect that a lot of these things will bleed over into player interaction. For example, they're trying to get us to do more missions, but they're also making missions harder and giving them more depth (NPC EW, for example) in an attempt to get us to do missions together. ----------------------------------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.01.02 04:00:00 -
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Originally by: Slink Grinsdikild EVE was once advertised as a grindless MMO, can the same still be said when Kali unfolds? It seems with each new feature we are forced to grind faction standing in order to get the most out of them. CCP are using slogans like "Its time to choose sides" and "Who will you fight for?" in their E-ON magazine regarding RMR/Kali. Ring a bell to anyone? Its not quite Warcraft-in-Space yet, but we're headed in that direction. EVE is in danger of losing that what makes it unique.
There are easier ways to lower your caldari faction standing ;).
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.01.02 04:01:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur There are easier ways to lower your caldari faction standing ;).
Smuggling illegal stuffs?
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.02 04:05:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Nyphur There are easier ways to lower your caldari faction standing ;).
Smuggling illegal stuffs?
Step 1: Target Caldari Navy, Police, or Customs vessel. Step 2: F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6 F7 F8
Lather, rinse, repeat. ----------------------------------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk
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Copine Callmeknau
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Posted - 2006.01.02 04:05:00 -
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Hmm, if there is a war, what happens to CONCORD?
Will it dissolve? Will justice be handled by the Republic Fleet/Caladri Navy etc?
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With five million sheep in this army I seem to be the only one fit to command
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Partisan Ograe
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Posted - 2006.01.02 04:06:00 -
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Edited by: Partisan Ograe on 02/01/2006 04:08:50
Originally by: Slink Grinsdikild
Thats the problem. It seems we're getting pushed more and more into doing agent missions. (Think: Rebirth, Research Slots, PoS's)
EVE was once advertised as a grindless MMO, can the same still be said when Kali unfolds? It seems with each new feature we are forced to grind faction standing in order to get the most out of them. CCP are using slogans like "Its time to choose sides" and "Who will you fight for?" in their E-ON magazine regarding RMR/Kali. Ring a bell to anyone? Its not quite Warcraft-in-Space yet, but we're headed in that direction. EVE is in danger of losing that what makes it unique.
I feel that if CCP is to implement actual play empires at the same time this case won't occur. If players can choose for their own empires as opposed to the established empires it'll keep the uniquiness and player guidance. My only concern is wasn't it the Khanid that were mainly interecting with the Caldari? Or is it possible the Khanid will be reimplemented? A third ally possibly if they can overcome their disputes with the Amarr? And are the Ammatar going to full scale war as well? Are the Gallente and Minmatar out numbered and outmatched?
Edit: Concord will probably still exist seeing as how they have become an independant intenty and agents would most likely be activated.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.01.02 04:08:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Nyphur There are easier ways to lower your caldari faction standing ;).
Smuggling illegal stuffs?
Step 1: Target Caldari Navy, Police, or Customs vessel. Step 2: F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6 F7 F8
Lather, rinse, repeat.
Now you scare me...
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.01.02 04:11:00 -
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Edited by: Nyphur on 02/01/2006 04:11:40
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Nyphur There are easier ways to lower your caldari faction standing ;).
Smuggling illegal stuffs?
Step 1: Target Caldari Navy, Police, or Customs vessel. Step 2: F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6 F7 F8
Lather, rinse, repeat.
Daaaamn right.
Originally by: Copine Callmeknau Hmm, if there is a war, what happens to CONCORD?
Will it dissolve? Will justice be handled by the Republic Fleet/Caladri Navy etc?
It's possible the fighting will be restricted to low sec. That would make it very interesting and open it to PVP influence. EDIT: On second thoughts, there aren't any faction ships IN low sec at the mo ^^;
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Frezik
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Posted - 2006.01.02 04:14:00 -
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Originally by: Kastiotic The Amarr and the Caldari have always been close since neither of them are fond of the Gallente.
The Gallente and the Minmatar have been close since the Gallente helped the Minmatar establish thier own empire.
Actually, Amarr and Caldari have never really liked each other. Caldari are close to the Khanid Kingdom (which is why Khanid ships tend to be more advanced than orginal Empire stuff). Amarr obviously don't like either Gallente or Minmatar, but they'll put up with the Caldari. Caldari don't have any particular reason not to like the Minmatar, but they'll go fight them if it means they have the Amarr on their side to kill Gallente.
OTOH, the Gallente and Minmatar actually like each other. There's a large Minmatar population in the Federation. This may work to counteract any numerical disadvantage.
Just what are the breakdowns over the player population for racial standings, anyway? I'd imagine the Amarr come up a bit short in comparison to their Empire size, due to the hatred of slavery in modern western culture. Though I'd never say it when in character, I have some respect for the PIE guys who are able to roleplay Amarrians, even though they probably don't support slavery in real life. ---- "Well in this case, he's being flamed, and rightly so, for whinning about a game mechanic that doesn't actually exist." -Lorth |
Silver Night
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Posted - 2006.01.02 04:22:00 -
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Jera was KOS in Galletne space, and not from running missions. -------------- Silver Night Director -Production and Science Have a question about Prime Fiction? Ask here!
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.02 04:23:00 -
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Gallente and Matar like each other.
Caldari hates Gallente.
Amarr hates Gallente.
Amarr hates Matar.
Khanid like Caldari.
Mordu loves Caldari.
Ammatar likes Amarr.
Intaki Syndicate hates Gallente.
Thukker hates Matar.
It appears to me that the Federation and Republic might be royally screwed.
Caldari State + Amarr Empire + Khanid Kingdom + Ammatar Mandate + Mordu's Legion + Thukker Tribe + Intaki Syndicate = BAD for the Gallente Federation and Minmatar Republic. ----------------------------------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk
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Partisan Ograe
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Posted - 2006.01.02 04:26:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Caldari State + Amarr Empire + Khanid Kingdom + Ammatar Mandate + Mordu's Legion + Thukker Tribe + Intaki Syndicate = BAD for the Gallente Federation and Minmatar Republic.
Thats what I was thinking. BRING OUT THE DRONES!!!! What only 5? Ummm..... mommy.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.01.02 04:34:00 -
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Originally by: Frezik
Actually, Amarr and Caldari have never really liked each other. Caldari are close to the Khanid Kingdom (which is why Khanid ships tend to be more advanced than orginal Empire stuff). Amarr obviously don't like either Gallente or Minmatar, but they'll put up with the Caldari. Caldari don't have any particular reason not to like the Minmatar, but they'll go fight them if it means they have the Amarr on their side to kill Gallente.
OTOH, the Gallente and Minmatar actually like each other. There's a large Minmatar population in the Federation. This may work to counteract any numerical disadvantage.
Just what are the breakdowns over the player population for racial standings, anyway? I'd imagine the Amarr come up a bit short in comparison to their Empire size, due to the hatred of slavery in modern western culture. Though I'd never say it when in character, I have some respect for the PIE guys who are able to roleplay Amarrians, even though they probably don't support slavery in real life.
It's basically about freedom. The Gallente love freedom. We abhor slavery and so do the minmatar. We share common ideals and an alliance is obvious. The Caldari hate the Gallente and the Amarr hate the minmatar. Their alliance is more an alliance of convenience. They help each other because when the Gallente and Minmatar work together, they are a common enemy of both.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.02 04:50:00 -
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The Amarrians directly hate the Gallenteans because they think Gallenteans are sinful AND because they resisted the Amarrian invasion. ----------------------------------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2006.01.02 05:27:00 -
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This has been obvious for quite some time. I took most notice to it during Cold War when the New World Order came about. Amarr to Lustrevik used to be about 8 jumps, then the Ashab - Kehour jump was removed, so the shortest path now is through Tanoo (I think thats the spelling), and involves some low sec systems through Derelik.
Which makes a great deal of sense, because Derelik would be the Amarr/Minmatar "Front".
Caldari and Amarr got a direct route, which never existed before. You used to have to go through Gallente space to get to Caldari space from Amarr. Now you can go through Nairja/Madmirille (sp?).
The direct high sec link between Caldari and Minmatar space was absolved. I can't remember the exact systems but I think one of the newbie starter systems in Minnie space used to be two jumps away from Perimeter.
The shortest connection between Caldari and Gallente space (much like Amarr-Minmatar) is now a low sec route through Tannolen/Tierijev and Crielere/Iyen-Oursa. This fits perfectly with the back story, if you'll read the "Tierijev Pocket" Chronicle. Kemerk/Jita was absolved, obviously.. that used to put Jita and Yulai two jumps apart, and was by far the busiest gate in EVE (now that seems to be Ours-Renyn).
Theres a lot of neat back door routes between the empires that opened up as well. Placid connects to Lonetrek, for example. My guess would be that the high sec routes will remain, but the shorter/unsafe and more unofficial links will become points of interest in Kali. Conquerable systems, and the like.. where the ruling faction obviously gains some strategic advantage for their empire. Safety for its own travellers, while taxing the enemy would be my other guess.
At one point, Viceroy and I were considering basing outselves out of Manjonakko or Tierijev just to cause a mess, but I figure nobody will use that path until the high sec routes are tolled.
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JamesTalon
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Posted - 2006.01.02 05:37:00 -
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Would make sense that the Caldari would help the Amarr and form an alliance of sorts. After all, the Caldari homeworld is in Gallantean space, so anything to help get that back is welcome :)
Oh, and I pledge myself to the Corperations of the Caldari State
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.01.02 05:51:00 -
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Originally by: DigitalCommunist At one point, Viceroy and I were considering basing outselves out of Manjonakko or Tierijev just to cause a mess, but I figure nobody will use that path until the high sec routes are tolled.
You should definitely do that! A mere side-effect would be you not pirating sysems I like any more, of course :p.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.02 06:22:00 -
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Originally by: JamesTalon Oh, and I pledge myself to the Corperations of the Caldari State
Good man. ----------------------------------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.01.02 06:28:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Originally by: JamesTalon Oh, and I pledge myself to the Corperations of the Caldari State
Good man.
Thats it, you're both going on my naughty list.
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Mikha'il Pelegius
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Posted - 2006.01.02 06:39:00 -
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Kick the tires and light the fires. ----------------------
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Logan Xerxes
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Posted - 2006.01.02 06:41:00 -
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And we know what "naughty" means to a gallente
Originally by: Balrog Valarauko Iknew a guy back in high school that was from Romania I think. His name was Anus. No joke...poor kid.[/qu |
Partisan Ograe
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Posted - 2006.01.02 06:43:00 -
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Originally by: Logan Xerxes And we know what "naughty" means to a gallente
Yeah, a damsel in distress......
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.02 06:55:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Originally by: JamesTalon Oh, and I pledge myself to the Corperations of the Caldari State
Good man.
Thats it, you're both going on my naughty list.
Dude...not cool...I'm straight. And no, I don't "experiment". ----------------------------------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk
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Nyphur
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Originally by: Partisan Ograe
Originally by: Logan Xerxes And we know what "naughty" means to a gallente
Yeah, a damsel in distress......
Didn't you hear? The damsel is no longer in distress. She finally gave in and accepted her fate to live in the brothel.
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Gothikia
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Posted - 2006.01.02 07:08:00 -
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Edited by: Gothikia on 02/01/2006 07:08:16
Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Partisan Ograe
Originally by: Logan Xerxes And we know what "naughty" means to a gallente
Yeah, a damsel in distress......
Didn't you hear? The damsel is no longer in distress. She finally gave in and accepted her fate to live in the brothel.
no she was sick of getting rescued all the time so got the hint and finally installed better security systems at home
ps. i also pledge myself to the Caldari, depite being Minmatar -------------
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Partisan Ograe
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Posted - 2006.01.02 07:14:00 -
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Originally by: Gothikia Edited by: Gothikia on 02/01/2006 07:08:16
Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Partisan Ograe
Originally by: Logan Xerxes And we know what "naughty" means to a gallente
Yeah, a damsel in distress......
Didn't you hear? The damsel is no longer in distress. She finally gave in and accepted her fate to live in the brothel.
no she was sick of getting rescued all the time so got the hint and finally installed better security systems at home
ps. i also pledge myself to the Caldari, depite being Minmatar
But shes Gallente so shes still a ho whether her father even knows.
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ManOfHonor
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Posted - 2006.01.02 07:30:00 -
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Edited by: ManOfHonor on 02/01/2006 07:30:45 [RP]
In the name of the brave warriors who have died besid me....
I VOW TO ANNIHILATE THE FOUL AMARR SCOURGE, AND ALL WHO WOULD SUPPORT THEM!
Death the the ignorant bastards! Death to their god! Death to the imperial family! And DEATH, Death to their empire!
Your time is dwindling, scum!
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w00t! Death to them all
their fugly ships and cowardly ways! _____________________________ NPC Asteroid Belt Bases Honor Above Self Glory For Self Strength Of Self |
Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.02 08:28:00 -
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Originally by: ManOfHonor their fugly ships
Says the man with the second-ugliest ships (second only to mine), to the man with the only really beautiful ones. ----------------------------------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk
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Sheriff Jones
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Posted - 2006.01.02 08:34:00 -
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I don't know if the minmatar are screwed, but i'd sure like to try and do so to some of the lovely minnie ladies
I'm a dirty old amarr, i don't hate anyone, i just want us all to....get along.
If you don't break the law that is.
I'm concord...well...if they'd accept my application!
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.01.02 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
I'm a dirty old amarr, i don't hate anyone, i just want us all to....get along. If you don't break the law that is. I'm concord...well...if they'd accept my application!
Heh. So you're a concord "Sheriff"?
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Dektakison
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Posted - 2006.01.02 21:13:00 -
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My concern, justified or not, is that this developing conflict will not only tear apart the factional peace, but it has a the potential to tear apart alliances and corporations.
For example, if my corporation is Amarr based, but I'm Gallente, factions standings are going to change. Already, our corporation hasn't a chance of reaching corp faction standing to greater than 8.0 for clone jumping because we have amarr and gallente, caldari and minmitar in or corp. There's developing interaction between between angel cartel and ASCN (my personal standing with angel cartel is in the drain), and I can only see this getting worse as our alliance becomes more aligned with angel cartel.
I can't run missions for Amarr because it causes drastic drops in my gallente standing (where all my research agents are based). This impacts the amount of research points I'll be able to generate in the future, and deminishes the chance for tech 2 bpo's for my corp and alliance.
I already sense the tension. I can only imagine it getting worse. This adds a dramatic and potentially devisive flavor to an already fascinating game.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.01.02 21:33:00 -
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So with all this coming wars, what will happen to Amarrian-Minmatar half-breds, where will they go?
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.01.02 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: Dektakison My concern, justified or not, is that this developing conflict will not only tear apart the factional peace, but it has a the potential to tear apart alliances and corporations.
For example, if my corporation is Amarr based, but I'm Gallente, factions standings are going to change. Already, our corporation hasn't a chance of reaching corp faction standing to greater than 8.0 for clone jumping because we have amarr and gallente, caldari and minmitar in or corp. There's developing interaction between between angel cartel and ASCN (my personal standing with angel cartel is in the drain), and I can only see this getting worse as our alliance becomes more aligned with angel cartel.
I can't run missions for Amarr because it causes drastic drops in my gallente standing (where all my research agents are based). This impacts the amount of research points I'll be able to generate in the future, and deminishes the chance for tech 2 bpo's for my corp and alliance.
I already sense the tension. I can only imagine it getting worse. This adds a dramatic and potentially devisive flavor to an already fascinating game.
My corp has gallente and caldari pilots. Officially, we favour the gallente and minmatar nations and hate the caldari and amarr nations. I set the standings as such. The individual players, however, are free to like and hate who they want. Unless getting your corp to -10 (if that's possible) will flag them all as KOS to that faction, there's no need to worry about it tearing corps apart except for the roleplaying and teamworking sense.
A corporation has its own goals. There's no reason there can't be separate internal conflict as long as those goals are met :). And I imagine a few amarr slugs will be sabotaging the efforts of their minmatar corpmates before the end of the month.
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire So with all this coming wars, what will happen to Amarrian-Minmatar half-breds, where will they go?
Outcasts! Outcasts, I say! Well .. they can pick a side I suppose or remain neutral. It's up to them. Actually, a corpmate of mine wants to be hated by all four racial factions O_o. That's insane.
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Bruce Habs
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Posted - 2006.01.02 22:18:00 -
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Originally by: Kastiotic
While the jovians are off eating ice cream and making fun of us.
Well, Jove has grown a dislike for Amarr and Gallente... at least they don't pick sides.
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Partisan Ograe
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Posted - 2006.01.02 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Bruce Habs
Originally by: Kastiotic
While the jovians are off eating ice cream and making fun of us.
Well, Jove has grown a dislike for Amarr and Gallente... at least they don't pick sides.
True but do they dislike the Amarr and Galente enough to not help the Minmatar and Caldari?
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.01.02 22:30:00 -
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I know my bf is a Jove.
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Partisan Ograe
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Posted - 2006.01.02 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire I know my bf is a Jove.
Well at least he has good taste.
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Ysolde Xen
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Posted - 2006.01.02 22:46:00 -
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I wonder what would happen if Blaque wins the election? I can see the Intaki getting ignored and kicked around until they quit the Federation entirely, along with hoslities from the government to the millions of Matari in Galletnte space until they leave as well. He's a xenophobic warmonger and I can't see him being interested in the Minmatar as allies... Maybe just to use them as suicide anti-Caldari/Amarr troops. (Anyway the Caldari/Amarr alliance is the weakest in terms of liking one another, going by their previous relationships. They had Like standings of 3-4 or so prior compared to the Gallente-Minmatar 8. Anyway the Caldari have no spirituality - they worship ISK not God )
If Blaque wins the Minmatar-Gallente 'side' is very much in the bin
But yeah this is causing some serious mess in multiracial corps with standings dropping like flies all over the place and causing serious screw ups with R&D agents. And please please please don't let it become a lame rip off of Alliance-Horde...
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Itzena
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Posted - 2006.01.03 00:15:00 -
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Edited by: Itzena on 03/01/2006 00:15:47 Edited by: Itzena on 03/01/2006 00:15:32
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Originally by: ManOfHonor their fugly ships
Says the man with the second-ugliest ships (second only to mine), to the man with the only really beautiful ones.
Thank you! I wonder sometimes if we Amarr acquired the only Matari with any sense of aesthetics in our police actions, leaving those behind who though that 'scrapyard-mated-with-scaffolding' was a good look.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.01.03 00:49:00 -
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Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 03/01/2006 00:55:20 Sorry, mis-post. Dont know much about RP stuffs to comment yet.
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Galaxion
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Posted - 2006.01.03 00:53:00 -
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I think this would be brilliant tbh. It would allow the 0.0 alliances (of which some are gathering enough sovreignty to rival the old empires) to declare sides. The whole of empire should be freefire for anyone to shoot at anyone on 'the other side'. It would be fantastic -----------------------------------------
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Gary Goat
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Posted - 2006.01.03 01:19:00 -
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Quote: I think this would be brilliant tbh. It would allow the 0.0 alliances (of which some are gathering enough sovreignty to rival the old empires) to declare sides. The whole of empire should be freefire for anyone to shoot at anyone on 'the other side'. It would be fantastic
Yeah i would love that but i'm sure a lot of other people wouldnt. They could put a one time option in that pops up the first time you run kali and asks if you want to me an active militant for your empire or remain neutral. If your active then you can attack any other active people from your enemy's factions wherever you want but concord would still protect the neutrals. Please resize your sig. It is too large. (max size is 400x120 pixels/24000 bytes) -Falke |
mrg29
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Posted - 2006.01.03 01:31:00 -
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i really like the way factional warfare is developing and the new 5 part lvl4 missions are a nice precursor to them.
how PvP is integrated into the factional element is gonna be interesting tho.
i'm not keen on the idea of the above poster of allowing people to opt out though, u accept the political aspects of the game and the consequences of your actions. if u have a negative status towards a faction and go into their space then u take your chances.
i would hope that the role of the aggressor will be determined by location though. for example if u have a negative standing towards minmatar faction u couldn't just come into minmatar space and start shooting people but u may be a target for characters with a high minmatar standing. ofc u would be able to defend yourself but could not be aggressor.
as i said looking forward to see how this develops though.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.01.03 03:13:00 -
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Edited by: Nyphur on 03/01/2006 03:13:20
Originally by: Gary Goat
Quote: I think this would be brilliant tbh. It would allow the 0.0 alliances (of which some are gathering enough sovreignty to rival the old empires) to declare sides. The whole of empire should be freefire for anyone to shoot at anyone on 'the other side'. It would be fantastic
Yeah i would love that but i'm sure a lot of other people wouldnt. They could put a one time option in that pops up the first time you run kali and asks if you want to me an active militant for your empire or remain neutral. If your active then you can attack any other active people from your enemy's factions wherever you want but concord would still protect the neutrals.
I think you're missing the point. If you don't want to participate, just don't participate. There will be PVP from RP corps no doubt but the PVE mechanics are already in place. If you don't want to lose faction with someone, don't run missions for their enemies. Simple as that. If you don't want to get involved, don't do those specific missions. you can decline them.
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Arwen Atreides
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Posted - 2006.01.03 03:31:00 -
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Hmmm I like democracy and freedom. At the same time I really don't like the Gallente because I'm Intaki. I guess its a good thing I rarely go to empire space -
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Promon Delnai
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Posted - 2006.01.03 03:33:00 -
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Edited by: Promon Delnai on 03/01/2006 03:33:22 Perhaps a system where a corporation could be flagged as "soldiers" for a certain Empire, and then do battle against corps declared for the other side would be best. Then you could fight without a war-dec between the specific corp. Thisd also keep the newer players from getting stomped by older chars in high-sec.
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Toranya Faidutti
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Posted - 2006.01.03 04:02:00 -
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I've been thinking about this topic a lot lately - I work for a primarily Caldari corporation and am a rather enlightened and non-racist soul, but lately I've had to do a number of missions against my fellow Gallente in order to further the goals of our business. The divided loyalties, the angst!
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.01.03 04:24:00 -
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Originally by: Toranya Faidutti I've been thinking about this topic a lot lately - I work for a primarily Caldari corporation and am a rather enlightened and non-racist soul, but lately I've had to do a number of missions against my fellow Gallente in order to further the goals of our business. The divided loyalties, the angst!
If you were a true gallente you wouldn't be murdering our brothers and sisters for some quick ISK. Tell your agent where to shove her requests (in the bin, of course:p).
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.01.03 04:25:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Toranya Faidutti I've been thinking about this topic a lot lately - I work for a primarily Caldari corporation and am a rather enlightened and non-racist soul, but lately I've had to do a number of missions against my fellow Gallente in order to further the goals of our business. The divided loyalties, the angst!
If you were a true gallente you wouldn't be murdering our brothers and sisters for some quick ISK. Tell your agent where to shove her requests (in the bin, of course:p).
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.01.03 04:26:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Toranya Faidutti I've been thinking about this topic a lot lately - I work for a primarily Caldari corporation and am a rather enlightened and non-racist soul, but lately I've had to do a number of missions against my fellow Gallente in order to further the goals of our business. The divided loyalties, the angst!
If you were a true gallente you wouldn't be murdering our brothers and sisters for some quick ISK. Tell your agent where to shove her requests (in the bin, of course:p).
Well, Caldari agents pay better than Gallentean cheapskates.
I'll have you know my agent pays me extremely well!
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Itzena
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Posted - 2006.01.03 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Gary Goat Yeah i would love that but i'm sure a lot of other people wouldnt. They could put a one time option in that pops up the first time you run kali and asks if you want to me an active militant for your empire or remain neutral. If your active then you can attack any other active people from your enemy's factions wherever you want but concord would still protect the neutrals.
The Empires could just issue 'letters of marque' to corps with the right faction, allowing them to act as privateers against the enemies of said empire.
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