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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.01.02 02:19:00 -
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With the Red Moon Rising patch came some much needed changes, updates, fixes, equipment and ships. The one part which was mostly overlooked by players and barely hinted at by the patch notes was the introduction of new mission arcs.
"At least one mission sequence, consisting of 3-5 missions, has been added to each Empire faction block for level 2, 3 and 4 agents. The Empire faction blocks are Amarr/Caldari and Gallente/Minmatar." - The patch Notes
It seems simple enough - we got some new missions like we did with the last patch. It wasn't until I actually had one of these missions that I realised the significance of the wording in the above quote from the patch notes, particularly the parts "Amarr/Caldari" and "Gallente/Minmatar". They refer to faction alliances. The Amarr and Caldari are forming an alliance and the Gallente and Minmatar are forming an alliance. I came to this conclusion after running one of the new mission arcs. "Human Cattle", it was called. It's one of the new Gallente/Minmatar mission arcs and is in five parts. In this mission arc, you find that people are being abducted from outposts belonging to your nation and you go to investigate.
In part three, you catch the guys in the act - It's the Caldari Navy. In part four, the collection ships for hauling abductees are tracked fleeing from the colony after seeing the wreckage of the caldari navy vessels you destroyed in part four. You follow them and intercept them at a deadspace gate. You have found their hideout. In part five, you go on a reconnaisaince mission into the complex. After destroying the enemies in the first and second levels, which are mercenaries and caldari ships, you go into level 3 of the complex. What did I find in there? An entire fleet of Amarr Navy eites, blocks of officer housing and a whole row of slave farms. The mission ends there and then, you can go home and complete it. It is, after all, only a level 2 mission.
It's clear the Caldari and Amarr have allied themselves and their incursions into Gallente space are no longer limited to a slight caldari military presence as in previous missions. They're aiding the Amarr in making slaves of us. Killing them give a faction penalty and right now my faction standing with the caldari and amarr is dropping like a stone... and I love it. Long live the Gallente-Minmatar alliance and long live freedom.
Pick a side, guys, because the red moon is rising and the cold war is really starting to heat up. This is only the beginning.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.01.02 02:22:00 -
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Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 02/01/2006 02:26:00
Die Gallentean-Minmatar filth!
Red when the moon is, so shall all of Gallentean-Minmatar space, begun the incursion has...
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Cmdr Sy
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Posted - 2006.01.02 02:25:00 -
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I like the Gallente and Amarr factions, and dislike Caldari and Minmatar, so I am getting really shafted by this.
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Kastiotic
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Posted - 2006.01.02 02:25:00 -
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There has been this feeling before the Red Moon Rising patch.
The Amarr and the Caldari have always been close since neither of them are fond of the Gallente.
The Gallente and the Minmatar have been close since the Gallente helped the Minmatar establish thier own empire.
While the jovians are off eating ice cream and making fun of us.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.01.02 02:33:00 -
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Originally by: Cmdr Sy I like the Gallente and Amarr factions, and dislike Caldari and Minmatar, so I am getting really shafted by this.
Pick a side before it's too late. And if it's not my side, god help you.
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Galk
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Posted - 2006.01.02 02:42:00 -
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Id rather not, from now on only my alt will actualy shoot at the caldari faction ships.
Not actualy sure on this, but i heard that caldari forces will shoot at my ships if my rating gets that bad with them... aka it's not going to happen if it's true...
I don't fancy like losing half the map to travel through, least of all my enemies that im sure would take residence in caldari space ______
862 buses later, galks back on the road again:)
Seasons greetings, merry christmas to one and to all.
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Dyvim Slorm
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Posted - 2006.01.02 02:44:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
I came to this conclusion after running one of the new mission arcs. "Human Cattle", it was called. It's one of the new Gallente/Minmatar mission arcs and is in five parts. In this mission arc, you find that people are being abducted from outposts belonging to your nation and you go to investigate.
Hmm, sounds like its the other half of the 5 part Portal to War mission, where those sneaky Amarr and Calderi are activating old gates.
Things are getting interesting
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.01.02 02:45:00 -
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Originally by: Galk Not actualy sure on this, but i heard that caldari forces will shoot at my ships if my rating gets that bad with them... aka it's not going to happen if it's true...
I would love that to happen to me. It would rule to be sneaking into Caldari space under fire :D.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.01.02 02:51:00 -
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Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 02/01/2006 02:51:55
Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Galk Not actualy sure on this, but i heard that caldari forces will shoot at my ships if my rating gets that bad with them... aka it's not going to happen if it's true...
I would love that to happen to me. It would rule to be sneaking into Caldari space under fire :D.
Hmmmm... in RP terms, nice. In reality, not nice. Faction space, neutral zones, and travelling to alliance space via non-faction high-sec space. Things are going to get hard. If this happens, I can only forsee "islands" of Caldarians-Amarrians space and Gallentean-Minmatar space, along with neutral rivers i.e. low secs leading to 0.0 space. More activity spreaded out? Interesting, but trading will most probably be concentrated at neutral zones because you can haul stuffs from islands to neutral grounds without being killed by faction A.I.
Summary: 1. More activities in low secs. 2. More trouble (getting ganked, time consumption, etc.) going to alliance space and normal space. 3. Travelling will take ages because no more safe short cuts to Caldari space via Gallentean space from Minmatar space, i.e. high sec travels. 4. Quite messy if not properly planned out though.
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Gothikia
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Posted - 2006.01.02 02:52:00 -
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oh baby, nice story line :) ------------- Gothikia [IDEA] Player Created Empires
IM REALLY CALDARI WITH A HOT SEXY MINMATAR BODY |
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Galk
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Posted - 2006.01.02 03:02:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 02/01/2006 02:51:55
Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Galk Not actualy sure on this, but i heard that caldari forces will shoot at my ships if my rating gets that bad with them... aka it's not going to happen if it's true...
I would love that to happen to me. It would rule to be sneaking into Caldari space under fire :D.
Hmmmm... in RP terms, nice. In reality, not nice. Faction space, neutral zones, and travelling to alliance space via non-faction high-sec space. Things are going to get hard. If this happens, I can only forsee "islands" of Caldarians-Amarrians space and Gallentean-Minmatar space, along with neutral rivers i.e. low secs leading to 0.0 space. More activity spreaded out? Interesting, but trading will most probably be concentrated at neutral zones because you can haul stuffs from islands to neutral grounds without being killed by faction A.I.
Summary: 1. More activities in low secs. 2. More trouble (getting ganked, time consumption, etc.) going to alliance space and normal space. 3. Travelling will take ages because no more safe short cuts to Caldari space via Gallentean space from Minmatar space, i.e. high sec travels. 4. Quite messy if not properly planned out though.
Pretty much what i was thinking, but as allways im blunt to the point.
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862 buses later, galks back on the road again:)
Seasons greetings, merry christmas to one and to all.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.01.02 03:04:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Summary: 1. More activities in low secs. 2. More trouble (getting ganked, time consumption, etc.) going to alliance space and normal space. 3. Travelling will take ages because no more safe short cuts to Caldari space via Gallentean space from Minmatar space, i.e. high sec travels. 4. Quite messy if not properly planned out though.
Well they've got until kali before outright war breaks out, if I garner the correct meaning from "Kali". The map may very well become a lot more factionalised but I think that can be only a good thing. It could be messy but I have a feeling when people's factions tarts dropping low enough they'll make travelling a lot more plausible with delayed faction-ship reaction times or something similarly simple. Also putting a 5-10 minute delay on reinforcements would help. Make it difficult but not impossible.
Regardless of what measures may be implemented to keep this smooth and maintain playability, it IS coming for those that run missions. It's a choice to ally yourself with one faction and you really have to work hard to get the other factions to hate you, which is what I'm doing now.
Originally by: Gothikia oh baby, nice story line :)
Yeah, they've really been putting the work into these missions. I hope they make more. Lots more.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.02 03:06:00 -
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I think it's time for me to get serious about running missions.
Caldari Navy, I am at your service ----------------------------------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.01.02 03:07:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
Regardless of what measures may be implemented to keep this smooth and maintain playability, it IS coming for those that run missions. It's a choice to ally yourself with one faction and you really have to work hard to get the other factions to hate you, which is what I'm doing now.
Think I am going to be neutral for the time being, missions are totally messed up for me and not really interested in running them anymore. Maybe I wont be factionalised
Also, if this is going to happen, CCP better gives us 1 to 2 months advance warning to start to relocate/move our stuffs. Logistic will be ugly (very ugly) at start.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.01.02 03:11:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Nyphur
Regardless of what measures may be implemented to keep this smooth and maintain playability, it IS coming for those that run missions. It's a choice to ally yourself with one faction and you really have to work hard to get the other factions to hate you, which is what I'm doing now.
Think I am going to be neutral for the time being, missions are totally messed up for me and not really interested in running them anymore. Maybe I wont be factionalised
Also, if this is going to happen, CCP better gives us 1 to 2 months advance warning to start to relocate/move our stuffs. Logistic will be ugly (very ugly) at start.
It's not a short term thing, though. It's something that is going to take a lot of dedicated work fighting for your faction before it begins to affect you to any great degree. I assume if you see your faction with the caldari is dropping you'd have the foresight to move all your stuff out of caldari space or get an alt to do it. Moving things isn't going to be a major issue since alts and neutral people are of course going to be around the whole time, even in kali.
I suppose you don't have to get involved if you don't want to .. cowards! Fight for your race! :D
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2006.01.02 03:12:00 -
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we need a big boost in the depth of missions - interbus and the jove and concord need to be activated
Intaki - blood raiders and others that are highly used in that area need a boost. Also dual missions for low sec ie blood and sansha working together and 50% of each in the same mission. Im a happy little camper now - CCP 4tw. |
Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.01.02 03:16:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
1. It's not a short term thing, though. It's something that is going to take a lot of dedicated work fighting for your faction before it begins to affect you to any great degree. I assume if you see your faction with the caldari is dropping you'd have the foresight to move all your stuff out of caldari space or get an alt to do it. Moving things isn't going to be a major issue since alts and neutral people are of course going to be around the whole time, even in kali.
2. I suppose you don't have to get involved if you don't want to .. cowards! Fight for your race! :D
1. If so, dont think you can or interesting to have neutrals. If you are Caldari, you will have some +ve auto standings. Either way, if you go to Gallentean space, you are going to get it. Unless, you use one faction to haul to neutral zone, and another faction to haul to destination space. Trouble
2. Bleh... I think I pod one too many Gallentean-Minmatar scums these days.
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Slink Grinsdikild
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Posted - 2006.01.02 03:43:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari I think it's time for me to get serious about running missions.
Caldari Navy, I am at your service
Thats the problem. It seems we're getting pushed more and more into doing agent missions. (Think: Rebirth, Research Slots, PoS's)
EVE was once advertised as a grindless MMO, can the same still be said when Kali unfolds? It seems with each new feature we are forced to grind faction standing in order to get the most out of them. CCP are using slogans like "Its time to choose sides" and "Who will you fight for?" in their E-ON magazine regarding RMR/Kali. Ring a bell to anyone? Its not quite Warcraft-in-Space yet, but we're headed in that direction. EVE is in danger of losing that what makes it unique.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.01.02 03:49:00 -
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Originally by: Slink Grinsdikild Its not quite Warcraft-in-Space yet, but we're headed in that direction. EVE is in danger of losing that what makes it unique.
Alliance vs Horde? Oh, I mean Caldamarrian Conglomerate vs Gallintar Horde?
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Slink Grinsdikild
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Posted - 2006.01.02 03:51:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Alliance vs Horde? Oh, I mean Caldamarrian Conglomerate vs Gallintar Horde?
Quite. I was being serious, and Mrs Doubt -errr Spitfire has to come along and ruin it.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.02 03:59:00 -
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Edited by: Nikolai Nuvolari on 02/01/2006 03:59:01 Slink makes a valid point, even if it is funny to make fun of him for being part of the Gallintar Horde.
And Mrs. Doubtfire was a damned good movie. Robin Williams FTW.
Seriously, the grind issue is a little worrying, but I suspect that a lot of these things will bleed over into player interaction. For example, they're trying to get us to do more missions, but they're also making missions harder and giving them more depth (NPC EW, for example) in an attempt to get us to do missions together. ----------------------------------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.01.02 04:00:00 -
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Originally by: Slink Grinsdikild EVE was once advertised as a grindless MMO, can the same still be said when Kali unfolds? It seems with each new feature we are forced to grind faction standing in order to get the most out of them. CCP are using slogans like "Its time to choose sides" and "Who will you fight for?" in their E-ON magazine regarding RMR/Kali. Ring a bell to anyone? Its not quite Warcraft-in-Space yet, but we're headed in that direction. EVE is in danger of losing that what makes it unique.
There are easier ways to lower your caldari faction standing ;).
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.01.02 04:01:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur There are easier ways to lower your caldari faction standing ;).
Smuggling illegal stuffs?
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.02 04:05:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Nyphur There are easier ways to lower your caldari faction standing ;).
Smuggling illegal stuffs?
Step 1: Target Caldari Navy, Police, or Customs vessel. Step 2: F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6 F7 F8
Lather, rinse, repeat. ----------------------------------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk
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Copine Callmeknau
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Posted - 2006.01.02 04:05:00 -
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Hmm, if there is a war, what happens to CONCORD?
Will it dissolve? Will justice be handled by the Republic Fleet/Caladri Navy etc?
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With five million sheep in this army I seem to be the only one fit to command
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Partisan Ograe
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Posted - 2006.01.02 04:06:00 -
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Edited by: Partisan Ograe on 02/01/2006 04:08:50
Originally by: Slink Grinsdikild
Thats the problem. It seems we're getting pushed more and more into doing agent missions. (Think: Rebirth, Research Slots, PoS's)
EVE was once advertised as a grindless MMO, can the same still be said when Kali unfolds? It seems with each new feature we are forced to grind faction standing in order to get the most out of them. CCP are using slogans like "Its time to choose sides" and "Who will you fight for?" in their E-ON magazine regarding RMR/Kali. Ring a bell to anyone? Its not quite Warcraft-in-Space yet, but we're headed in that direction. EVE is in danger of losing that what makes it unique.
I feel that if CCP is to implement actual play empires at the same time this case won't occur. If players can choose for their own empires as opposed to the established empires it'll keep the uniquiness and player guidance. My only concern is wasn't it the Khanid that were mainly interecting with the Caldari? Or is it possible the Khanid will be reimplemented? A third ally possibly if they can overcome their disputes with the Amarr? And are the Ammatar going to full scale war as well? Are the Gallente and Minmatar out numbered and outmatched?
Edit: Concord will probably still exist seeing as how they have become an independant intenty and agents would most likely be activated.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.01.02 04:08:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Nyphur There are easier ways to lower your caldari faction standing ;).
Smuggling illegal stuffs?
Step 1: Target Caldari Navy, Police, or Customs vessel. Step 2: F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6 F7 F8
Lather, rinse, repeat.
Now you scare me...
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.01.02 04:11:00 -
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Edited by: Nyphur on 02/01/2006 04:11:40
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Nyphur There are easier ways to lower your caldari faction standing ;).
Smuggling illegal stuffs?
Step 1: Target Caldari Navy, Police, or Customs vessel. Step 2: F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6 F7 F8
Lather, rinse, repeat.
Daaaamn right.
Originally by: Copine Callmeknau Hmm, if there is a war, what happens to CONCORD?
Will it dissolve? Will justice be handled by the Republic Fleet/Caladri Navy etc?
It's possible the fighting will be restricted to low sec. That would make it very interesting and open it to PVP influence. EDIT: On second thoughts, there aren't any faction ships IN low sec at the mo ^^;
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Frezik
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Posted - 2006.01.02 04:14:00 -
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Originally by: Kastiotic The Amarr and the Caldari have always been close since neither of them are fond of the Gallente.
The Gallente and the Minmatar have been close since the Gallente helped the Minmatar establish thier own empire.
Actually, Amarr and Caldari have never really liked each other. Caldari are close to the Khanid Kingdom (which is why Khanid ships tend to be more advanced than orginal Empire stuff). Amarr obviously don't like either Gallente or Minmatar, but they'll put up with the Caldari. Caldari don't have any particular reason not to like the Minmatar, but they'll go fight them if it means they have the Amarr on their side to kill Gallente.
OTOH, the Gallente and Minmatar actually like each other. There's a large Minmatar population in the Federation. This may work to counteract any numerical disadvantage.
Just what are the breakdowns over the player population for racial standings, anyway? I'd imagine the Amarr come up a bit short in comparison to their Empire size, due to the hatred of slavery in modern western culture. Though I'd never say it when in character, I have some respect for the PIE guys who are able to roleplay Amarrians, even though they probably don't support slavery in real life. ---- "Well in this case, he's being flamed, and rightly so, for whinning about a game mechanic that doesn't actually exist." -Lorth |
Silver Night
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Posted - 2006.01.02 04:22:00 -
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Jera was KOS in Galletne space, and not from running missions. -------------- Silver Night Director -Production and Science Have a question about Prime Fiction? Ask here!
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