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Aelius
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Posted - 2006.01.02 07:37:00 -
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Edited by: Aelius on 02/01/2006 07:44:15
I start to find this very, very strange.
Although it's NOT the BPO i'm waiting for (i'm waiting yet for a ship BPO), i was awarded with a Spike S BPO (tech2 ammo) yesterday.
That makes 8 BPO's so far, 7 with Aelius, 1 with a R&D maxed alt of mine.
I start to wonder myself (to my own disavantage) if this lottery isn't bugged out.
It's true that i started R&D ALONG time ago sinking 8.5M SP's in science and having 6 high end agents (4 in CSE, 1 in Hydromagnetics and 1 in Electromagnetics), BUT 7 BPO's on this char isn't too much luck can handle?!
Having others complaining that they NEVER had a BPO (even a crapy one like Spike S BPO) and they are also doing this for along time?!
Perhaps i chose the right non Starship fields with less competitors on them, but WE PLAYERS can't know that for sure CAN WE????
Once upon the time we had a tool built on our agents that showed the total number of RP's ingame in that particular field, now we DON'T.
All this secrecy makes players wonder if situations like mine are cheer luck or engineered in some ebil "DEV friend like" way.
I like to be lucky for once in life, but i DON'T like to be favored by ebil code, and the explanation is simple.
If i'm being favored with crapy BPO's, who's being favored with the juicy ship/modules ones?! 
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Jaketh Ivanes
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Posted - 2006.01.02 07:43:00 -
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Good question.. Wish it was me who were favored with the juicy ones, heck I'll take that spike anytime 
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Marcus Thrawn
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Posted - 2006.01.02 07:44:00 -
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Edited by: Marcus Thrawn on 02/01/2006 07:44:00
Maybe you should donate it to someone poor like me
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2006.01.02 07:50:00 -
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well my suggestion is to simply use thoes u dont need and start the tech 2 BPO copying seed them into the escrow system and give more ppl a chance.
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JeanLuc Picarde
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Posted - 2006.01.02 08:10:00 -
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it obviously IS bugged heh.
its akin to you winning the "normal" lotto 8 times instead of the "powerball" one.
Ive seen this before in other games that rely on random number generators for high end loot drops. same scenario a handfull of gamers, powergamer or otherwise getting items, and other people that no matter how much they grind for years got bupkiss...its why I loathe the use of these RNG, its proven to me at least that their not reliable.
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Amthrianius
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Posted - 2006.01.02 08:15:00 -
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Edited by: Amthrianius on 02/01/2006 08:15:11
gotten 4 bpo's in 5 days from my 4 agents. Im out of rp though now :(
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Niaski Zalani
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Posted - 2006.01.02 08:41:00 -
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It does seem a bit unballanced.. but then again, not everybody sinks 8.5m SP into R&D/Science.
I know one person who has gotten 8 t2 prints, another who has gotten 7 if 14 days since RMR, and another who has gotten at least 4.
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2006.01.02 08:51:00 -
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CCP had anotehr case of shoddy programming under the hood - it shows to but meh sell em and disperse the BPOs or hog em up and take the market up price wise
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Mina Roberts
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Posted - 2006.01.02 08:52:00 -
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I have 5 agents, 3 doing electomagnetic (got 35k rp on each) also 2 agents doing electronic engineering (also 35k per agent) never had a bpo.
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Skelator
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Posted - 2006.01.02 08:53:00 -
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Bravo Aelius,
I applaude your integrity and sense of Ethics
They have us Surrounded again.. the Poor Bastards |
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Kipkruide
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Posted - 2006.01.02 09:27:00 -
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i think it's because your reseraching a field no one bothers with.
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Aelius
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Posted - 2006.01.02 09:44:00 -
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Edited by: Aelius on 02/01/2006 09:45:27
 Originally by: Kipkruide
i think it's because your reseraching a field no one bothers with.
Not quite... Although i think Hydromagnectic Physics is a little low on total RP's( i've got 5 from that field), i got a BPO in rocket science (fairly crowded due to MWD and launchers) and 2 in Electromagnetic physics.
The 2 bpos i got recently were a cruise missile BPO and a S hybrid ammo. I know there are lots and lots of ammo BPOs outthere but why is there still people like this guy with 5 agents (3 in the same field as i with 35k RP's each) with no BPO? Bad luck?! Well i find it VERY BAD LUCK indeed
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Chode Rizoum
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Posted - 2006.01.02 09:50:00 -
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i got the huginn ... on my alt lol.. dunno what to do with it.. never builded anything.. think i will put it into corp hangar. so people can build for them self
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Weeman
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Posted - 2006.01.02 10:04:00 -
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Edited by: Weeman on 02/01/2006 10:04:51
Originally by: Chode Rizoum
i got the huginn ... on my alt lol.. dunno what to do with it.. never builded anything.. think i will put it into corp hangar. so people can build for them self
Sell it to someone who will actually build the damn things for the rest of eve (NAGA, BIG, Me), you selfish little ****
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Shittake
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Posted - 2006.01.02 10:09:00 -
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Well I have a total of 11 R&D agents (L3 and L4) across 2 accounts and since this whole T2 BPO toeery thingy started have been offered 6 BPOs, declined 1. The thing is, I never get the highly wanted BPOs. I got the Oneriros, the Heavy Beam Laser 2, was offered the Plag2 crystal and said no (because it was oddly enough from a startship agent with way too much RP to waste on T2 low grade mining crystal).
I want Expanded Cargohold 2, or Mod DCM Strip 2, or Ice Harvestor 2. They will be the ones which make the uber billions.
Those who have not getten a BPO yet, don't worry, you will. THere's more comming out this week I believe. If not ythe T2 BPO auction should be a chance to spend your RP.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.01.02 10:15:00 -
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Originally by: Chode Rizoum
i got the huginn ... on my alt lol.. dunno what to do with it.. never builded anything.. think i will put it into corp hangar. so people can build for them self
donate it to save the hippos.
contact HippoKing for more details - will collect 
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Grigori Sokolov
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Posted - 2006.01.02 10:15:00 -
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Edited by: Grigori Sokolov on 02/01/2006 10:15:28
Originally by: Aelius
even a crapy one like Spike S BPO
Could I buy a BPC or two... ?  Contact me in-game.
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Nico Tine
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Posted - 2006.01.02 10:16:00 -
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I have 3 accounts each with 5 R&D agents and each with over 7 million skill points invested in science and other associated skills for R&D work.
I also spent months doing missions on each account to raise the standing required to access the better R&D agents in each corp.
In the two years since R&D agents where released I have recieved 7 Offers, one of which I declined. Out the 6 BPOS i accepted only 1 is a proven seller, 1 I sold (way too cheap it would now appear) and the 3 others are used to produce stock every month or so. The new one I got recently is unproved but I hope will sell reasonably well.
Only 1 agent has given me 2 BPO's.
For those that argue the lottery is bugged I am not so sure. I don't research Starship Engineering but I choose the less glamerous fields with less RP's per agent but more BPO's available per agent.
I still have over 400,000 RP's between the agents but most only give between 35-50 RP's a day not like some of the agents that give 200 RP's a day. I figure that maybe 50% of people use starship engineering agents and those that do are after a limited but highly lucrative BPO. Basically the chances of those getting a BPO are much slimmer than if they had researched another field.
For example. An agent offering 4 BPO's with 15000 people after them as against an agent offering 10 BPO with only 3000 people after them. You do the maths. RP's are relative at field of research only.
My recent large ammo BPO was won with an agent giving me 55 RP's a day and I had 25,000 RP's. The same agent would give me 200 RP's a day for starship engineering. Had I choosen that I would have had over 100,000 RP's in Starship Engineering but everyone else would have had proportionaly more RP's as well. Many more people after fewer BPO's.
I have also put a lot of effort, skills, ISK into R&D and it has paid off. I do not feel guilty for winning.
I do however think that some of the ealrier BPO's such as intys could do with a reseed as the eve population has more than doubled in the last 2 years.
For those doing R&D, good luck.
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Paedri Yakati
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Posted - 2006.01.02 10:20:00 -
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850k RP in Caldari Starship Engineering across 6 L3 agents.
Yes.. level 3.. been at it since the very first day the Research Project Management skill got released, which is I believe nearly 2 years ago now. Been running my agents every now and then but each time giving up again after a while because of the seemingly hopeless chances 
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Siren Shiva
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Posted - 2006.01.02 10:24:00 -
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Originally by: Chode Rizoum
i got the huginn ... on my alt lol.. dunno what to do with it.. never builded anything.. think i will put it into corp hangar. so people can build for them self
Sell me some BPCs pwetty pweeze? Because I'm cute? 
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Gunstar Zero
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Posted - 2006.01.02 10:30:00 -
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Originally by: Aelius
Edited by: Aelius on 02/01/2006 07:44:15
I start to find this very, very strange.
Although it's NOT the BPO i'm waiting for (i'm waiting yet for a ship BPO), i was awarded with a Spike S BPO (tech2 ammo) yesterday.
That makes 8 BPO's so far, 7 with Aelius, 1 with a R&D maxed alt of mine.
I start to wonder myself (to my own disavantage) if this lottery isn't bugged out.
It's true that i started R&D ALONG time ago sinking 8.5M SP's in science and having 6 high end agents (4 in CSE, 1 in Hydromagnetics and 1 in Electromagnetics), BUT 7 BPO's on this char isn't too much luck can handle?!
Having others complaining that they NEVER had a BPO (even a crapy one like Spike S BPO) and they are also doing this for along time?!
Perhaps i chose the right non Starship fields with less competitors on them, but WE PLAYERS can't know that for sure CAN WE????
Once upon the time we had a tool built on our agents that showed the total number of RP's ingame in that particular field, now we DON'T.
All this secrecy makes players wonder if situations like mine are cheer luck or engineered in some ebil "DEV friend like" way.
I like to be lucky for once in life, but i DON'T like to be favored by ebil code, and the explanation is simple.
If i'm being favored with crapy BPO's, who's being favored with the juicy ship/modules ones?!
could be that you've got alot of RP in the less popular areas. i.e. not Starship engineering.
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2006.01.02 10:31:00 -
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well its meant to be random yet it isnt - shame on u CCP
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Heraken
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Posted - 2006.01.02 11:03:00 -
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I know of someone who just got their first bpo (a T2 ammo bpo from the rocket science pool) from a low quality lvl 3 agent with just over 600 RP (having been with that agent for less than a month).
Sure, the person had two other agents (one with 6 months worth of RP, one with less than 1 months worth), but doesn't this show that the lottery is not always skewed to those who already have?
That said, I can see the concerns about the system.
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Qutsemnie
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Posted - 2006.01.02 11:12:00 -
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Recall a fact of randomness is should expect someone to get lucky in some ridicolous way. You just cant predict when, where, and how that ridicolous way will occur. But beyond that if you step back and stop insisting that its broken you come to two possibilities:
a) There arnt as many serious research runners as it appears on the surface.
b) There might be some truth to the geography argument. So that if agents were chosen FIRST then character SECOND that would explain this.
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Larz63
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Posted - 2006.01.02 11:12:00 -
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I have heard stories or people winning BPOs with as little as 3kRPs, but it seems like the winnings now are stuck on repeat. It almost as if you bought 8 different scratchers and won the top prize on them all. I am sure CCP could say it is just dumb luck, but I still think its a bit odd. Oh well, I guess some have he luck and some don't.
/me goes back to keying his research agents Raven.
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Metternich Stele
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Posted - 2006.01.02 11:21:00 -
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Edited by: Metternich Stele on 02/01/2006 11:23:56
Some of us choose not too get involved R&D, it's a personal thing I guess. However the thing I find most disturbing about the whole thing and it's implementation is for those that get 'lucky' it is license to print ISK on a massive and un-paralleled scale. There is no other element in this game that allows a player to amass such immense fortunes as people who play the R&D game. This whole thing needs re-addressing.
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JP Beauregard
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Posted - 2006.01.02 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: Aelius
I start to find this very, very strange.
Although it's NOT the BPO i'm waiting for (i'm waiting yet for a ship BPO), i was awarded with a Spike S BPO (tech2 ammo) yesterday.
That makes 8 BPO's so far, 7 with Aelius, 1 with a R&D maxed alt of mine.
It's not strange at all. Wait until everyone ahead of you and their dead grandmother has rejected the crap bpos and you'll wind up with all of them.
JP Beauregard
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Xune
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Posted - 2006.01.02 11:23:00 -
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7 Level 4 R/d¦s on 2 acounts since R/d started.. all 7 agents in different folderds, non in a Spaceship... all related sciens skills 5...
not a single bpo
Reading somthing like that make me wanne barf...
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Heraken
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Posted - 2006.01.02 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: Metternich Stele
Edited by: Metternich Stele on 02/01/2006 11:23:56
However the thing I find most disturbing about the whole thing and it's implementation is for those that get 'lucky' it is license to print ISK on a massive and un-paralleled scale. There is no other element in this game that allows a player to amass such immense fortunes as people who play the R&D game. This whole thing needs re-addressing.
That may be true concerning the ship bpos, and some module bpos. However, some of the lesser T2 bpos don't seem to be instant 'I win'.
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Irrilian
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Posted - 2006.01.02 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Chode Rizoum
i got the huginn ... on my alt lol.. dunno what to do with it.. never builded anything.. think i will put it into corp hangar. so people can build for them self
First off, congratulations on getting the BPO. :)
Im afraid Im not clued up about how it exactly works, but should you not be sure what to do with the bpo yet, you might want to consider NAGA's Stepstone project: you lodge the bpo with them, they handle all the production, sales etc and every week send you ISK. A reliable nice income for you requiring no effort, cheap techII ships for all, everyone wins. :)
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