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Irrilian
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Posted - 2006.01.02 11:57:00 -
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Edited by: Irrilian on 02/01/2006 12:02:46
Originally by: sonofollo well its meant to be random yet it isnt - shame on u CCP
Runs, streaks of good luck are an aspect of probability.
Flip a coin 100 times and it wont be all heads, tails, heads, tails etc. But rather runs of the same side often turning up. However from the big [view] these little deviations are insignificant. Such is a normal in a random system.
There comes a point when things start to look a bit fishy, that the probability of such a run occurring are increasingly unlikely, that is: something is up with the randomness of the system. However, humans tend to be a poor judge of such, our attention is skewed to pick up on such little quirks. The ultimate way to judge whether things are working out ok are in CCPs hands, the data from the lottery. It shouldnÆt be too hard to examine the stats and see if something isnÆt quite right?
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Relena mearfire
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Posted - 2006.01.02 11:58:00 -
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there was a thread not to long ago where a dev (oveur i think) said there would be alot more ammo bpos than before, the number was in the hundreads, i thought it just atypo but maybe it's true.
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Vex Seraphim
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Posted - 2006.01.02 12:14:00 -
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I've never gotten a bpo, and i am mighty ****ed :/
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Tiuwaz
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Posted - 2006.01.02 12:41:00 -
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the sad thing is Aelius is not an exceptional case, it seems to be more the rule of thumb
take the BPO Aelius, it will just go to another guy with with 10 t2 BPO's otherwise 
Originally by: Oveur ****! Lets nerf it!
To the nerfmobile!
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Gummi
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Posted - 2006.01.02 13:27:00 -
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Congrats. I wish I was 1/8th as lucky as you :) lol
Anyway please let us know if you get a 9th, because if you do, I know EXACTLY what I am gona do with my research alt account. (5 R&D-lots of RP (only 2 doing starship), >2 years and NOTHING.)
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.01.02 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: Aelius Edited by: Aelius on 02/01/2006 07:44:15
I start to find this very, very strange.
Although it's NOT the BPO i'm waiting for (i'm waiting yet for a ship BPO), i was awarded with a Spike S BPO (tech2 ammo) yesterday.
That makes 8 BPO's so far, 7 with Aelius, 1 with a R&D maxed alt of mine.
I start to wonder myself (to my own disavantage) if this lottery isn't bugged out. It's true that i started R&D ALONG time ago sinking 8.5M SP's in science and having 6 high end agents (4 in CSE, 1 in Hydromagnetics and 1 in Electromagnetics), BUT 7 BPO's on this char isn't too much luck can handle?!
Having others complaining that they NEVER had a BPO (even a crapy one like Spike S BPO) and they are also doing this for along time?!
Perhaps i chose the right non Starship fields with less competitors on them, but WE PLAYERS can't know that for sure CAN WE????
Once upon the time we had a tool built on our agents that showed the total number of RP's ingame in that particular field, now we DON'T.
All this secrecy makes players wonder if situations like mine are cheer luck or engineered in some ebil "DEV friend like" way.
I like to be lucky for once in life, but i DON'T like to be favored by ebil code, and the explanation is simple. If i'm being favored with crapy BPO's, who's being favored with the juicy ship/modules ones?! 
Its because you've chosen a number of underused fields. - Proud member of the [23].
The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.
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Ebedar
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Posted - 2006.01.02 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: Chode Rizoum i got the huginn ... on my alt lol.. dunno what to do with it.. never builded anything.. think i will put it into corp hangar. so people can build for them self
With the web bonus on that, I'd think it's going to be a pretty popular ship.
Either sell the BPO for craploads or put it into NAGA's Stepstone scheme and get a regular income from it (unless you have a trustworthy friend who can build/sell them for you).
Nice print.
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Mina Roberts
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Posted - 2006.01.02 15:01:00 -
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Edited by: Mina Roberts on 02/01/2006 15:02:07
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Aelius Edited by: Aelius on 02/01/2006 07:44:15
I start to find this very, very strange.
Although it's NOT the BPO i'm waiting for (i'm waiting yet for a ship BPO), i was awarded with a Spike S BPO (tech2 ammo) yesterday.
That makes 8 BPO's so far, 7 with Aelius, 1 with a R&D maxed alt of mine.
I start to wonder myself (to my own disavantage) if this lottery isn't bugged out. It's true that i started R&D ALONG time ago sinking 8.5M SP's in science and having 6 high end agents (4 in CSE, 1 in Hydromagnetics and 1 in Electromagnetics), BUT 7 BPO's on this char isn't too much luck can handle?!
Having others complaining that they NEVER had a BPO (even a crapy one like Spike S BPO) and they are also doing this for along time?!
Perhaps i chose the right non Starship fields with less competitors on them, but WE PLAYERS can't know that for sure CAN WE????
Once upon the time we had a tool built on our agents that showed the total number of RP's ingame in that particular field, now we DON'T.
All this secrecy makes players wonder if situations like mine are cheer luck or engineered in some ebil "DEV friend like" way.
I like to be lucky for once in life, but i DON'T like to be favored by ebil code, and the explanation is simple. If i'm being favored with crapy BPO's, who's being favored with the juicy ship/modules ones?! 
Its because you've chosen a number of underused fields.
Underused? I've been doing electomagnetic physics and electronic engineering since research began almost, ive got over 35k RP per agent and 5 agents combined. They are x1 multiplyer fields. Never had anything dispite doing these "underused" fields.
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Cardassius
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Posted - 2006.01.02 15:09:00 -
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I cancelled my 2 year old contract with my caldari starship researcher, and i'm now doing electromagnetic physics, never received ANY offer..
ASCI Recruiting!
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Lord Frost
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Posted - 2006.01.02 15:13:00 -
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The way I see it... for someone to win multiple t2 bpos from 1 character has to be the LUCKIEST person in Eve. I'm sure many researchers would say you have more chance with more rps, but logic would say that your chance is small compared to one of the 1000s of others rps.
Thats what I don't get... the chances for someone else to get 1 t2 bpo are BY FAR GREATER than your chance to get another.
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Xrak
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Posted - 2006.01.02 15:20:00 -
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I've said it before, I'll say it again.
All T2 BPO's need to be taking out the game and replaced with large run BPC's. The system would work exactly as it is now, except agents give you offers for BPC's not BPO's. A 100 run HAC BPC is ofc going to cost you more rp then a 5 run Raptor BPC. This means that more people would get a chance of geting a good T2 BPC and would spread the wealth. Also because the BPC's are being continously given out, they will more likly be more fairly given out. The chance of someone getting 8 t2 bpos, out of 2000 is much higher then them gettin 8 BPC's out of 200000.
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Xendie
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Posted - 2006.01.02 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Frost
Thats what I don't get... the chances for someone else to get 1 t2 bpo are BY FAR GREATER than your chance to get another.
exactly and yet we see ppl who have had research agents in the starship engineering fields for 2years and never gets anything. and some just keep getting BPO after BPO after BPO after BPO.
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Originally by: F'nog This would be great, because lag is not at all a problem currently.
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Skyy
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Posted - 2006.01.02 15:38:00 -
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I'll say it... CCP hates me, and I'm on their "haha pal" list.
I'll never get one.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.01.02 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Grigori Sokolov Edited by: Grigori Sokolov on 02/01/2006 10:15:28
Originally by: Aelius even a crapy one like Spike S BPO
Could I buy a BPC or two... ? Contact me in-game.
Same! 
Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm. "Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted." |

Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.01.02 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Xrak I've said it before, I'll say it again.
All T2 BPO's need to be taking out the game and replaced with large run BPC's. The system would work exactly as it is now, except agents give you offers for BPC's not BPO's. A 100 run HAC BPC is ofc going to cost you more rp then a 5 run Raptor BPC. This means that more people would get a chance of geting a good T2 BPC and would spread the wealth. Also because the BPC's are being continously given out, they will more likly be more fairly given out. The chance of someone getting 8 t2 bpos, out of 2000 is much higher then them gettin 8 BPC's out of 200000.
I'll say it before, i'll say it again:
You REALLY want 30 mil interceptors.
Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm. "Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted." |

shakaZ XV
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Posted - 2006.01.02 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: Xrak I've said it before, I'll say it again.
All T2 BPO's need to be taking out the game and replaced with large run BPC's. The system would work exactly as it is now, except agents give you offers for BPC's not BPO's. A 100 run HAC BPC is ofc going to cost you more rp then a 5 run Raptor BPC. This means that more people would get a chance of geting a good T2 BPC and would spread the wealth. Also because the BPC's are being continously given out, they will more likly be more fairly given out. The chance of someone getting 8 t2 bpos, out of 2000 is much higher then them gettin 8 BPC's out of 200000.
Indeed, i don't understand why they didn't do it like this from the start.
(I think its quite funny that the best way of "striking it rich" in eve requires almost 0 playing effort. Just leave the RP's running and hope... )
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xbreaka
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Posted - 2006.01.02 15:47:00 -
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nice luck you have their
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Cardassius
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Posted - 2006.01.02 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Frost
Thats what I don't get... the chances for someone else to get 1 t2 bpo are BY FAR GREATER than your chance to get another.
But ppl getting bpo after bpo with less than 10k RP's is disturbing. If it is really random ppl with A LOT of RP's would have won more bpo's.
In real life lotteries ppl who buy more tickets have a higher chance of winning.
ASCI Recruiting!
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.01.02 15:57:00 -
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or remove the lottery completely and do agent lp offers similar to every other agent. that way people can work towards a particular bpo and there will be no more "zomg he got 234949 bpos in a day".
I'm not sure what kind of market experiement CCP are trying to perform with the current T2 bpo system, but it sucks. I would rather the time spent into implementing a fair and transparent system than the new capital ships that can only be used by a handful of people.
Originally by: 0Virtu0 Chuck Norris doesnt need different sized arms to beat up little kids, why should the Raven need different weapons to beat up frigs!?
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KHEN
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Posted - 2006.01.02 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Aelius Edited by: Aelius on 02/01/2006 07:44:15
I start to find this very, very strange.
Although it's NOT the BPO i'm waiting for (i'm waiting yet for a ship BPO), i was awarded with a Spike S BPO (tech2 ammo) yesterday.
That makes 8 BPO's so far, 7 with Aelius, 1 with a R&D maxed alt of mine.
I start to wonder myself (to my own disavantage) if this lottery isn't bugged out. It's true that i started R&D ALONG time ago sinking 8.5M SP's in science and having 6 high end agents (4 in CSE, 1 in Hydromagnetics and 1 in Electromagnetics), BUT 7 BPO's on this char isn't too much luck can handle?!
Having others complaining that they NEVER had a BPO (even a crapy one like Spike S BPO) and they are also doing this for along time?!
Perhaps i chose the right non Starship fields with less competitors on them, but WE PLAYERS can't know that for sure CAN WE????
Once upon the time we had a tool built on our agents that showed the total number of RP's ingame in that particular field, now we DON'T.
All this secrecy makes players wonder if situations like mine are cheer luck or engineered in some ebil "DEV friend like" way.
I like to be lucky for once in life, but i DON'T like to be favored by ebil code, and the explanation is simple. If i'm being favored with crapy BPO's, who's being favored with the juicy ship/modules ones?! 
Don't waste your RP into crappy BPO, keep them instead and you will get better ones fast (E.g. at the next seeding)
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.01.02 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Cardassius
Originally by: Lord Frost
Thats what I don't get... the chances for someone else to get 1 t2 bpo are BY FAR GREATER than your chance to get another.
But ppl getting bpo after bpo with less than 10k RP's is disturbing. If it is really random ppl with A LOT of RP's would have won more bpo's.
In real life lotteries ppl who buy more tickets have a higher chance of winning.
Oh plenty of people, in fact most people, get one while having a lot of RPs.
Its just that you never hear about those, because there's nothing special when that happens.
I wouldn't be surprised if exactly 4 times as many of the people with 40k win as the people with 10k  - Proud member of the [23].
The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.
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Lord Frost
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Posted - 2006.01.02 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Cardassius
Originally by: Lord Frost
Thats what I don't get... the chances for someone else to get 1 t2 bpo are BY FAR GREATER than your chance to get another.
But ppl getting bpo after bpo with less than 10k RP's is disturbing. If it is really random ppl with A LOT of RP's would have won more bpo's.
In real life lotteries ppl who buy more tickets have a higher chance of winning.
Oh plenty of people, in fact most people, get one while having a lot of RPs.
Its just that you never hear about those, because there's nothing special when that happens.
I wouldn't be surprised if exactly 4 times as many of the people with 40k win as the people with 10k 
But what if there were 10 times as many people with 10k as there were with 40k? I'd be interested to see a layout of these numbers... how many people have how many rps chart.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.01.02 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Frost
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Cardassius
Originally by: Lord Frost
Thats what I don't get... the chances for someone else to get 1 t2 bpo are BY FAR GREATER than your chance to get another.
But ppl getting bpo after bpo with less than 10k RP's is disturbing. If it is really random ppl with A LOT of RP's would have won more bpo's.
In real life lotteries ppl who buy more tickets have a higher chance of winning.
Oh plenty of people, in fact most people, get one while having a lot of RPs.
Its just that you never hear about those, because there's nothing special when that happens.
I wouldn't be surprised if exactly 4 times as many of the people with 40k win as the people with 10k 
But what if there were 10 times as many people with 10k as there were with 40k? I'd be interested to see a layout of these numbers... how many people have how many rps chart.
That would be very cool.
I really doubt that the lottery is broken in any way, shape, or form though. The fact that so many people have fewer RPs also means that, by definition, a lot of people will few RPs will win, more than you'd expect if the distribution was smooth. - Proud member of the [23].
The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.
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Neon Genesis
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Posted - 2006.01.02 16:50:00 -
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imo the whole thing was a copout, simple system, badly implemented. For one if you don't run agents your excluded, should at least have been a bit of diversity in ways to get at the t2 bpos.
Also agree they should all be bpc's, T2 BPO = insta uber wealth.
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Trevedian
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Posted - 2006.01.02 17:08:00 -
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I got my 7th Tech2 BPO on 12/20/05 and my 8th Tech2 BPO offer on 12/29...
I (wisely) chose a field of research that I did not expect much competition in (Laser Physics since everyone and their brother is doing Starship Engineering).
I also trained the Laser Physics Skill to level 5, and Research Project Management Skill to level 4...
I have had all of these agent since R&D began and I had like a GAZILLION RP's so I deserve all my BPO's.
People with more Research Points have a better chance at getting tech2 BPO's, stop whining!
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
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Amasera
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Posted - 2006.01.02 17:31:00 -
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not too much into this. but i wish people would stop using the term "printing ISK" because they are not doign that. they are not making the money out of nowhere, the money come from other people who buy their stuff.
just wish people would stop refering to it like their making the ISK themselves.
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Ras Blumin
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Posted - 2006.01.02 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Irrilian
Originally by: Chode Rizoum i got the huginn ... on my alt lol.. dunno what to do with it.. never builded anything.. think i will put it into corp hangar. so people can build for them self
Im afraid Im not clued up about how it exactly works, but should you not be sure what to do with the bpo yet, you might want to consider NAGA's Stepstone project: you lodge the bpo with them, they handle all the production, sales etc and every week send you ISK. A reliable nice income for you requiring no effort, cheap techII ships for all, everyone wins. :)
DO IT!
Getting a nice t2 bpo is a dream to me, as I can just give it to NAGA, have them do all the work and get a steady income. I might not get as much isk as if I did it myself, but all the work would take away precious PVP time.
p - l - u - r
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Tarack
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Posted - 2006.01.02 17:49:00 -
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WTB "Aelius" Account, will pay poorly, due to good luck. 
I hit in a field i know harldy anyone reseachers. My short story. its a L4 agent, highest agent in corp i forget the rp, but had him just about a year. Funny thing was, on Sisi i had an offer from him for something silly. 1 1/2 months later here, i got a real offer. Strange ey?
BTW Ill take that Spike S off your hands. I build ammo for the mass's, and not just alliance's or corpies. If your interested, send me a mail and see what we can work out.
WTS: 1 Ex-wife, slightly used. Fully equiped, includes, My house, my car, my dog and my new ex girlfriend................. |

Ashis
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Posted - 2006.01.02 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Skelator Bravo Aelius, I applaude your integrity and sense of Ethics

/signed __________
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Xrak
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Posted - 2006.01.02 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
Originally by: Xrak I've said it before, I'll say it again.
All T2 BPO's need to be taking out the game and replaced with large run BPC's. The system would work exactly as it is now, except agents give you offers for BPC's not BPO's. A 100 run HAC BPC is ofc going to cost you more rp then a 5 run Raptor BPC. This means that more people would get a chance of geting a good T2 BPC and would spread the wealth. Also because the BPC's are being continously given out, they will more likly be more fairly given out. The chance of someone getting 8 t2 bpos, out of 2000 is much higher then them gettin 8 BPC's out of 200000.
I'll say it before, i'll say it again:
You REALLY want 30 mil interceptors.
How so?
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