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Mekhana Spiritus Draconis 250	Posted - 2011.10.29 02:02:00 - [1] - Quote The CSM is well represented by the major null sec alliances but the militias have no one to represent them in the CSM whatsoever. I propose each militia is represented by a respective chosen member, so that all 4 sides are heard equally. I know this will likely this will never happen because we're rock bottom to CCP as we are a hot potato to designers. However, even if it meant we had our own meetings to express community concerns and ideas. You don't have to fly people to Iceland and pamper us really. Some kind of video conference would be enough. I was hearing some dev ideas to 'fix FW' but they aren't very good and are out of touch with the present If you want to get to truly fix FW you'll have to get help from us FW'ers to actually get anywhere.
Desra Mascani Eleutherian Guard 0	Posted - 2011.10.29 02:09:00 - [2] - Quote I think that there is one other problem: Isn't CSM voted? You just can't appoint 4 people to it.
Mekhana Spiritus Draconis 250	Posted - 2011.10.29 02:13:00 - [3] - Quote Each militia would vote for their representative. Plus other small details that would have to be agreed on obviously. 4 militias and 4 representatives. Nothing complicated.

CCP Navigator C C P C C P Alliance 335	Posted - 2011.10.29 02:24:00 - [4] - Quote Mekhana wrote: Each militia would vote for their representative. Plus other small details that would have to be agreed on obviously. 4 militias and 4 representatives. Nothing complicated. Edit: I don't mean that the we need to be forced into the CSM I meant that the militias could use a similar and simpler means to communicate with CCP so that we can relay our own particular issues in the FW community. For that to work you need to rally people to vote for FW representatives for the next CSM. CCP Navigator - Lead Community Representative

Pr1ncess Alia Perkone Caldari State 44	Posted - 2011.10.29 02:31:00 - [5] - Quote CCP Navigator wrote: Mekhana wrote: Each militia would vote for their representative. Plus other small details that would have to be agreed on obviously. 4 militias and 4 representatives. Nothing complicated. Edit: I don't mean that the we need to be forced into the CSM I meant that the militias could use a similar and simpler means to communicate with CCP so that we can relay our own particular issues in the FW community. For that to work you need to rally people to vote for FW representatives for the next CSM. For that to work we need a FW game worth playing that might actually attract people.
Mekhana Spiritus Draconis 250	Posted - 2011.10.29 02:34:00 - [6] - Quote It is something to think about yes. Time to start thinking big and talk loud enough for our voices to be heard. FW is all doom and gloom at the moment from being years in disrepair, few changes that came centuries late to even immense issues. hopefully though this changes a bit next expansion with the rebalance as it will at least freshen up the PVP considerably. Time to put low sec and fun small-scale PVP back on the map.
Xercodo Xovoni Directorate Not Usually Killing Everyone. 123	Posted - 2011.10.29 02:35:00 - [7] - Quote New proposition: Re-organize the CSM to have a designated member for each topic, null, low, high sec, WHs, FW, PVE, PVP, Industry, Market The Drake is a Lie
BoneEater Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 10	Posted - 2011.10.29 02:42:00 - [8] - Quote Blog? Please?
Mekhana Spiritus Draconis 250	Posted - 2011.10.29 02:43:00 - [9] - Quote The CSM as of today doesn't represent the community as of a whole, it only represents geopolitical agendas of individuals and alliances. EVE belongs to all of us and everyone should be represented.
Cunane Jeran 18	Posted - 2011.10.29 02:45:00 - [10] - Quote I'd quite like to see people going on different tickets, for a more diverse CSM covering all areas of play.

Kent Reeves Apollo Logistics Sexy Alliance 1	Posted - 2011.10.29 02:45:00 - [11] - Quote CCP Navigator wrote: Mekhana wrote: Each militia would vote for their representative. Plus other small details that would have to be agreed on obviously. 4 militias and 4 representatives. Nothing complicated. Edit: I don't mean that the we need to be forced into the CSM I meant that the militias could use a similar and simpler means to communicate with CCP so that we can relay our own particular issues in the FW community. For that to work you need to rally people to vote for FW representatives for the next CSM. Clearly, you missed the entire point of the post. @Mekhana, rather than getting representatives chosen to speak to CCP how about a forum section dedicated to Factional Warfare.
Mekhana Spiritus Draconis 250	Posted - 2011.10.29 02:47:00 - [12] - Quote @Kent Reeves That would be nice as a first step. It would also help FW and our events get more exposure, that would attract more pilots as well. Everyone wins.
Mystical Might The Imperial Fedaykin 11	Posted - 2011.10.29 02:50:00 - [13] - Quote Great Idea. Nothing else that needs adding to be honest. It'd work... If CCP let it.
BoneEater Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 10	Posted - 2011.10.29 02:53:00 - [14] - Quote Mystical Might wrote: It'd work... If CCP let it. but they wont because they have seen what some CSM can do with their position, they will have learned that much at least. hell, we cant even get a blog after 2 + years why would they allow this?
Mekhana Spiritus Draconis 250	Posted - 2011.10.29 02:53:00 - [15] - Quote Mystical Might wrote: Great Idea. Nothing else that needs adding to be honest. It'd work... If CCP let it. GF btw :P
Galus Mendak Quantum Cats Syndicate 1	Posted - 2011.10.29 02:57:00 - [16] - Quote Kent Reeves wrote: CCP how about a forum section dedicated to Factional Warfare Hear hear. Seconded.
Mystical Might The Imperial Fedaykin 12	Posted - 2011.10.29 02:57:00 - [17] - Quote Mekhana wrote: Mystical Might wrote: Great Idea. Nothing else that needs adding to be honest. It'd work... If CCP let it. GF btw :P Wasn't a fight, lol... The caldari fits are making my eyes bleed. Definetly died a little inside looking at that scorp navy. Great job bringing the numbers, though I doubt you'd of needed them to be honest. On Topic; I have a question. Do we count EVERYONES vote, or do we count the active militia people (considering maybe 2% of the listed militia numbers are actually active PvPers, and aren't just carebear scrubs / inactive players).
BoneEater Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 10	Posted - 2011.10.29 03:00:00 - [18] - Quote Mystical Might wrote: On Topic; I have a question. Do we count EVERYONES vote, or do we count the active militia people (considering maybe 2% of the listed militia numbers are actually active PvPers, and aren't just carebear scrubs / inactive players). Could do corp ceo's director's based on killboard standings vs enemy factions within say, 3> months?
Mekhana Spiritus Draconis 250	Posted - 2011.10.29 03:02:00 - [19] - Quote No idea. Odds are we'd have to all agree on someone to represent all the militias due to our current numbers. So we'd all have to sit down and dialog and try to find common ground on a very sportmanslike influential individual to represent us, someone who will look after the issues that plague FW as a whole and bring up issues from each of the militias.
Mystical Might The Imperial Fedaykin 12	Posted - 2011.10.29 03:06:00 - [20] - Quote BoneEater wrote: Mystical Might wrote: On Topic; I have a question. Do we count EVERYONES vote, or do we count the active militia people (considering maybe 2% of the listed militia numbers are actually active PvPers, and aren't just carebear scrubs / inactive players). Could do corp ceo's director's based on killboard standings vs enemy factions within say, 3> months? You mean CEO's of the top 10 corps of each militia vote for a rep?

BoneEater Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 11	Posted - 2011.10.29 03:09:00 - [21] - Quote Mystical Might wrote: You mean CEO's of the top 10 corps of each militia vote for a rep? Top 10, top 5, doesnt really matter, but based on their actual pvp versus other militias rather then simple #'s due to the missionier swarms present in some of the militias. Or as posted previously, all 4 elect a single and alternate to represent the FW community as a whole rather then as independent factions?
Mystical Might The Imperial Fedaykin 12	Posted - 2011.10.29 03:11:00 - [22] - Quote BoneEater wrote: Mystical Might wrote: You mean CEO's of the top 10 corps of each militia vote for a rep? Top 10, top 5, doesnt really matter, but based on their actual pvp versus other militias rather then simple #'s due to the missionier swarms present in some of the militias. Or as posted previously, all 4 elect a single and alternate to represent the FW community as a whole rather then as independent factions? In my eyes, it should be Independant factions with representatives for each, that are able to sit around the E-Table and share ideas... If you were to elect them as a community, you'd end up with the militia with the most voting power having their guys as the representatives.
Mekhana Spiritus Draconis 251	Posted - 2011.10.29 03:14:00 - [23] - Quote That's true in fact. That's why I think we should all push for one candidate that we all could trust on. He'd bring forth issues that bog down Factional Warfare as a whole and follow a list of individual problems of every militia to tackle on.
BoneEater Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 11	Posted - 2011.10.29 03:15:00 - [24] - Quote Mystical Might wrote: BoneEater wrote: Mystical Might wrote: You mean CEO's of the top 10 corps of each militia vote for a rep? Top 10, top 5, doesnt really matter, but based on their actual pvp versus other militias rather then simple #'s due to the missionier swarms present in some of the militias. Or as posted previously, all 4 elect a single and alternate to represent the FW community as a whole rather then as independent factions? In my eyes, it should be Independant factions with representatives for each, that are able to sit around the E-Table and share ideas... If you were to elect them as a community, you'd end up with the militia with the most voting power having their guys as the representatives. True, so elect one from each, and then they internally decide a chairman in adition to the alternate canidates for each faction bringing the total rep's to 8 with 2 for each faction. Possibly add an external position for indepent looks at idea's from an outsider's perspective? IE: if a happens, how does that affect recruiting into FW. if b happens, what happens instead? dunno how you'd regulate that so its probably not going to work.
Mystical Might The Imperial Fedaykin 12	Posted - 2011.10.29 03:16:00 - [25] - Quote Yarr, just making it a new post. Could also make it so that there are 10 possible candidates, maybe from people who think they have a chance and are vocal enough to voice a faction's ideas, views and thoughts. From there you could have a week or two of open voting, maybe through the militia office (It isn't actually used for anything at the moment ANYWAY) and after that period the person with the most votes is elected. To put the Militia office to more use, General militia could lobby ideas for the representatives to look at through a drop-box like option in the office window. This allows the reps to easily see the worries and queries that the militias they represent may have... Could also maybe let the reps start a Poll through the milita office to see how the militia feels about a certain topic?
Vardec Crom Hard Knocks Inc. 6	Posted - 2011.10.29 03:18:00 - [26] - Quote Mekhana wrote: The CSM is well represented by the major null sec alliances but the militias have no one to represent them in the CSM whatsoever. I propose each militia is represented by a respective chosen member, so that all 4 sides are heard equally. I know this will likely this will never happen because we're rock bottom to CCP as we are a hot potato to designers. However, even if it meant we had our own meetings to express community concerns and ideas. You don't have to fly people to Iceland and pamper us really. Some kind of video conference would be enough. I was hearing some dev ideas to 'fix FW' but they aren't very good and are out of touch with the present If you want to get to truly fix FW you'll have to get help from us FW'ers to actually get anywhere. So what you're saying is that a group of people that make up probably less than 1% of active subscribers should get half of the CSM seats by default? Delusional~
Mystical Might The Imperial Fedaykin 12	Posted - 2011.10.29 03:20:00 - [27] - Quote Vardec Crom wrote: So what you're saying is that a group of people that make up probably less than 1% of active subscribers should get half of the CSM seats by default? Delusional~ We're not talking about the CSM... Edit; as far as I am aware anyway.
BoneEater Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 11	Posted - 2011.10.29 03:21:00 - [28] - Quote Mystical Might wrote: Yarr, just making it a new post. Could also maybe let the reps start a Poll through the milita office to see how the militia feels about a certain topic? Without a clear cut way to establish a] missioners from pvpers, b] 0.0 alts/mains, c] god awful griefers and trolls/honest oppinions, this wont get very far. I think this is the main set of reasons CCP doesnt use their in game poll's more often. If they did, they would be swamped by trolls who would select the worst possible thing for the game, just to troll up that subject's #'s
Mystical Might The Imperial Fedaykin 12	Posted - 2011.10.29 03:23:00 - [29] - Quote BoneEater wrote: Mystical Might wrote: Yarr, just making it a new post. Could also maybe let the reps start a Poll through the milita office to see how the militia feels about a certain topic? Without a clear cut way to establish a] missioners from pvpers, b] 0.0 alts/mains, c] god awful griefers and trolls/honest oppinions, this wont get very far. I think this is the main set of reasons CCP doesnt use their in game poll's more often. If they did, they would be swamped by trolls who would select the worst possible thing for the game, just to troll up that subject's #'s lol, I'm one of the biggest trolls in militia... But I see your point, it could potentially be abused. But I also think that the militia's worries as a whole would outway the trolling opportunity.
Mekhana Spiritus Draconis 251	Posted - 2011.10.29 03:23:00 - [30] - Quote Vardec Crom wrote: So what you're saying is that a group of people that make up probably less than 1% of active subscribers should get half of the CSM seats by default? Delusional~ First, not I'm making demands. This a discussion. Secondly, you haven't really bothered to read anything have you?

Pent'nor 6	Posted - 2011.10.29 03:26:00 - [31] - Quote CCP Navigator wrote: Mekhana wrote: Each militia would vote for their representative. Plus other small details that would have to be agreed on obviously. 4 militias and 4 representatives. Nothing complicated. Edit: I don't mean that the we need to be forced into the CSM I meant that the militias could use a similar and simpler means to communicate with CCP so that we can relay our own particular issues in the FW community. For that to work you need to rally people to vote for FW representatives for the next CSM. I agree. But would like to see some sort of pre-election from different aspects of eve so when the big election comes, people can rally behind one instead of splitting the votes and then none of them get in.
Mekhana Spiritus Draconis 251	Posted - 2011.10.29 03:38:00 - [32] - Quote Pent'nor wrote: CCP Navigator wrote: Mekhana wrote: Each militia would vote for their representative. Plus other small details that would have to be agreed on obviously. 4 militias and 4 representatives. Nothing complicated. Edit: I don't mean that the we need to be forced into the CSM I meant that the militias could use a similar and simpler means to communicate with CCP so that we can relay our own particular issues in the FW community. For that to work you need to rally people to vote for FW representatives for the next CSM. I agree. But would like to see some sort of pre-election from different aspects of eve so when the big election comes, people can rally behind one instead of splitting the votes and then none of them get in. Good idea.
mkint 216	Posted - 2011.10.29 06:37:00 - [33] - Quote I don't get why CCP hates FW so much. But really, there's no way in hell CCP will let a FW rep sit on the CSM. FW is embarrassing enough to them already. Also, after how big an embarrassment the current CSM is, I'm betting the next one comes pre-nerfed. That said, if I see a candidate put forth by a united FW community, I will not only vote for them, but resub my alts for the vote.
Jack Dant The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre 44	Posted - 2011.10.29 13:01:00 - [34] - Quote Xercodo wrote: New proposition: Re-organize the CSM to have a designated member for each topic, null, low, high sec, WHs, FW, PVE, PVP, Industry, Market And how, pray tell, would you enforce that? How would you split voters among those "circunscriptions"?
Yogsoloth 1	Posted - 2011.10.29 13:15:00 - [35] - Quote Quote: @Mekhana, rather than getting representatives chosen to speak to CCP how about a forum section dedicated to Factional Warfare. This needs to happen asap, I think it would really highlight how vibrant the FW community. Such a simple task that could be implemented in about 30 seconds. Just cut through the red tape and get it done already. Cthulhu Fhtagn !
Rhinanna Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 53	Posted - 2011.10.29 13:32:00 - [36] - Quote I'd love to come play in FW, however I'm not going to while it makes the enemy faction go down.... I don't want to go below -5 vs Amarr as its a HUGE pain in the arse when I want to move my freighter through Amarr space! So either I have to make a dedicated FW toon (Not many want to start from 0 skills again) or go to low-sec or null, or spend billions to get a character of the character bazaar which is WAY too high an entry level for many. -The sword is only as sharp as the one who wields it! Other names: Drenzul (WoT, WoW, Lineage 2, WarH, BloodBowl, BSG, SC2 and lots more)-á
Ruah Piskonit PIE Inc. 18	Posted - 2011.10.29 13:46:00 - [37] - Quote Xercodo wrote: New proposition: Re-organize the CSM to have a designated member for each topic, null, low, high sec, WHs, FW, PVE, PVP, Industry, Market Still not a fix since FW alts, Industry alts, and various alts of the major voting blocs will be represented. Populism has its downsides - and this is one of them. Being that the idea comes from a place with no minorities - who can blame them.
Kent Reeves Apollo Logistics Sexy Alliance 4	Posted - 2011.10.29 15:09:00 - [38] - Quote Yogsoloth wrote: Quote: @Mekhana, rather than getting representatives chosen to speak to CCP how about a forum section dedicated to Factional Warfare. Such a simple task that could be implemented in about 30 seconds. My thoughts exactly. This isn't some major change that takes months to implement nor does it take huge amounts of effort and manpower. CCP, think about this one.
Raid'En Apprentice Innovations 82	Posted - 2011.10.29 17:51:00 - [39] - Quote i though they would review the forums section when the putted the new forums but well... they really need to to that. are the sections from 2003 ? cause they seems really outdated givne how the game works now :/


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