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Marie Sklodowska
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Posted - 2006.01.03 08:14:00 -
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I don't get that +10% optimal range bonus per lvl. I have HAC 4 and the optimal range of my heavy pulse laser II's is 13km with gamma..same as on my zealot and prophecy. FIX IT..
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.01.03 08:16:00 -
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If it's broken, bug-report it.
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Mamarto
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Posted - 2006.01.03 08:43:00 -
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Well the Zealot gets 10% range per level as well, and it most certainly works on my Zealot, so I really can't say why it shouldn't on yours. Are you sure that you get the same range in the Prophecy?
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BOBHOPE
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Posted - 2006.01.03 09:19:00 -
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mine is fine
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hylleX
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Posted - 2006.01.03 10:31:00 -
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Remove that bonus all toghether is useless. Give the ship some armor rep bonus or missile damage or something. Its in need of help.
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Fabiusbile
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Posted - 2006.01.03 16:18:00 -
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The sac is an up close and personal ship so dont really need the range bonus but would love to see some sort of rep bonus on this, would make for an excelent tank instead of the good tank that it is.
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Maric
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Posted - 2006.01.05 13:46:00 -
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I would like to see new bonus for Sacrilege:
"90% less powergrid needs for fitting cruise launchers"
That would make it a realy nice ship. More important, this bonus should apply on Damnation too. Damnation is more underpowered then Sacrilege.
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Liet Traep
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Posted - 2006.01.05 14:00:00 -
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Sacrilege needs some type of damage bonus. It's only main advantage was it had the toughest tank in game. Now with the Eagle and the new command ships having similar resistances the only way it stands out is in how much it sucks.
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Nyxus
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Posted - 2006.01.05 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Liet Trapp Now with the Eagle and the new command ships having similar resistances the only way it stands out is in how much it sucks.
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Wizie
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Posted - 2006.01.05 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Nyxus
Originally by: Liet Trapp Now with the Eagle and the new command ships having similar resistances the only way it stands out is in how much it sucks.
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It needs the bonuses changed. Not necessarrily a damage bonus, but a bonus that makes it.... not so useless. The Eagle is a better ship in terms of dmg, and tanks as well if not better in most scenarios.. specially those that dont involve the ability to NOS.
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Toaster Oven
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Posted - 2006.01.05 18:18:00 -
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Give the Sac 5 missile and 5 turret hardpoints. Then change the 10% optimal bonus per level to another tanking bonus.
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2006.01.05 22:43:00 -
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Give it a velocity bonus instead of the optimal range bonus.
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Captin Biltmore
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Posted - 2006.01.05 23:11:00 -
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EVERYONE agrees the Sac is busted, but don't go giving it bonuses that don't fit the Amarr race. I guess you can give it Kandid (pointless) bonuses, but a speed bonus wouldn't make sense from either amarr or kandid standpoints. Either give it a damage bonus (wich wouldn't be worth much because of the ultra low dps to begin with) or a second tanking bonus (wich might fullfil the role it seems to be designed for).
I'd like to see either a bonus to rep time for armor reps, or a super sneaky fitting bonus for a large armror rep (that would rock), possibly a heavy cap bonus for the ammount of cap armor reps used. Personally I'd like the rep cycle bonus, but a fitting bonus for large armor reps would be VERY amarr, and very unique, plus the negatives of being able to keep that bad boy going with the sac's small cap would make the tradeoff worth while and not make it overpowered.
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Mallik Hendrake
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Posted - 2006.01.06 02:16:00 -
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I'd like to see it lose the range bonus for a laser ROF bonus. -------------------------------------------- "A plan is just a list of things that don't happen." -- Parker, _The Way of the Gun_
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Cuisinart
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Posted - 2006.01.06 02:42:00 -
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Originally by: Liet Traep Sacrilege needs some type of damage bonus. It's only main advantage was it had the toughest tank in game. Now with the Eagle and the new command ships having similar resistances the only way it stands out is in how much it sucks.
Too true
Someone suggested allowing it to fit a couple of cruise launchers, that might help, but I don't think it's quite enough to put it on equal ground with the rest of the hacs... close though.
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Nyxus
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Posted - 2006.01.06 03:59:00 -
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Originally by: Cuisinart Someone suggested allowing it to fit a couple of cruise launchers, that might help, but I don't think it's quite enough to put it on equal ground with the rest of the hacs... close though.
Actually this is not a bad idea. It could step on the toes of the Stealth Bombers though. Bearing that in mind, I would suggest a tweak to make it unique to the Sacrilege.
Give the Sacrilege a bonus to fitting Siege Launchers similar to the one given to Stealth Bombers for Cruise.
That makes it seriously....Sacrilegious, and a good fusion of Caldari and Amarrian tech. It also makes it a unique support craft dedicated to heavy assault, while the Zealot has a niche for fire support. It's different from all other HACs, especially the Eagle which now outclasses it in every way due to the resist bonus, and it doesn't overpower the ship because torps due minimal damage to frigate and cruiser sized ships.
Unique. Different. Useful, but not in all situations. Powerfull in the right situation, but weak in others. It sounds like a good mix and balance to me.
Most importantly, it would make me buy one.
Nyxus
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Angelus X
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Posted - 2006.01.06 04:08:00 -
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Originally by: Nyxus
Give the Sacrilege a bonus to fitting Siege Launchers similar to the one given to Stealth Bombers for Cruise.
You HONESTLY think the dev's are gonna go ahead and give the sac the ability to fit BS-sized weapons? an ability NO other HAC currently has? (Ishtar + Heavy Drones don't count!)
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tenp1
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Posted - 2006.01.06 04:20:00 -
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Edited by: tenp1 on 06/01/2006 04:20:14 In my opinion, fixing the sacrilege would be easy, not overpowering and keep the uniquness of the ship. Give it an extra launcher slot, so that it can become a missile boat though not as good as the cerberus. Remove the turret range bonus and replace it with an EM missile damage bonus (though a straight heavy missile damage bonus would be better and that goes for the cerb as well)or a nos or armour rep bonus. Better still, remove the -50% cap use for turrets and use 2 of the above mentioned bonus'. Then at least the sac would be more unique and on a par with the rest of the HACS, maybe still not the best damage dealer but but better than now, and more of a threat than it is currently.
While thats being done, the sheilds and armour hp could be switched or at least balanced.
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Vishnej
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Posted - 2006.01.06 09:28:00 -
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Edited by: Vishnej on 06/01/2006 09:30:01 "Khanid's engineers have spent months perfecting the Sacrilege's on-board energy turret optimization systems, making it a very effective laser fighter. Its missile hardpoints and a capacitor larger than any other assault cruiser's make it one of the most versatile of its kind.
Developer: Khanid Innovation
In an effort to maintain the fragile peace with the old empire through the force of determent, Khanid Innovation have taken the Maller blueprint and morphed it into a monster. State-of-the-art armor alloys, along with shield technology culled from the Caldari, mean the Sacrilege may be well on its way to becoming the Royal Khanid Navy's flagship cruiser."
Here's what the sacrilege should get: another 200 cap, as per the description, and the bonus changed from 5% to armor resists, to 7.5% to armor and shield resists per level. The much-lauded cap is just barely the best, at 1300 vs ishtar's 1250, zealot's 1200, etc.
The 7.5% is to keep the sac in line with the zealot and the eagle, both of whose complementary bonuses (rather than mixed bonuses the sac has) make them much more powerful than the sac; It preserve's the sac's Cold War / Exodus role as the defensive powerhouse of the HACs - right now the Eagle is the sac's equal in tanking as well as the best sniper of the HACs, a dual distinction that makes the sac kind of pointless in comparison. As for putting it to shield AND armor - Making Khanid shield tankers and then giving them an armor resist only bonus? Give them equal abilities and let them choose.
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Maric
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Posted - 2006.01.06 09:44:00 -
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I was thinking something about how to fit to make Sacrilege a dmg dealer. I conclude that Sac IS underpowered but not that much. Comparing to, lets say Deimos, it has only ~10% less dmg output if fit right. My calculation is not 100% acurate, but still lets compare a bit:
Weapon slot: Sac->6...........Deimos->5
Lets say we have HAC skill at lvl4, Sacrilege have 20% better ROF, Deimos have 25% dmg bonus from cruiser skill and 20% from HAC skill. Now, lets fit Sacrilege for shield tank, 3 laser gun, 3 launchers and dmg mods in low.
For Sac missile slots with 2 BCS2 calculation is: 3*1.2*1.0895*1.0895*1.1*1.1 = 5.17 slots
For Sac gun slots with 2 heat sink 2 calculation is: 3*1.0895*1.0895*1.1*1.1 = 4.31 slots
Summ for Sacrilege: 5.17+4.31 = 9.48 slots
For Deimos gun slots with 2 magnetic stab 2 calculation is: 5*1.25*1.2*1.0895*1.0895*1.1*1.1 = 10,77 slots
Those rough numbers say that Deimos have 14% better dmg output. Calculation is similar for Zelot. Once again, those are rough numbers. And I did not calculate optimal range bonus, resistance bonus and drone bay, so Sacrilege is not that bad. Trick is that Sacrilege can put two diferend weapon type, so you can fit 4 dmg mods without having stacking penalty.
Problem is that You need a lot more skils and have very wierd setup (which cannot be used in many situation - mostly some PVE actions) to have ALMOST good ship as others are. This is not fair. If I need to have more skills for my ship, then my skills should give me better ship.
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Hellspawn01
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Posted - 2006.01.27 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Maric I was thinking something about how to fit to make Sacrilege a dmg dealer. I conclude that Sac IS underpowered but not that much. Comparing to, lets say Deimos, it has only ~10% less dmg output if fit right. My calculation is not 100% acurate, but still lets compare a bit:
Weapon slot: Sac->6...........Deimos->5
Lets say we have HAC skill at lvl4, Sacrilege have 20% better ROF, Deimos have 25% dmg bonus from cruiser skill and 20% from HAC skill. Now, lets fit Sacrilege for shield tank, 3 laser gun, 3 launchers and dmg mods in low.
For Sac missile slots with 2 BCS2 calculation is: 3*1.2*1.0895*1.0895*1.1*1.1 = 5.17 slots
For Sac gun slots with 2 heat sink 2 calculation is: 3*1.0895*1.0895*1.1*1.1 = 4.31 slots
Summ for Sacrilege: 5.17+4.31 = 9.48 slots
For Deimos gun slots with 2 magnetic stab 2 calculation is: 5*1.25*1.2*1.0895*1.0895*1.1*1.1 = 10,77 slots
Those rough numbers say that Deimos have 14% better dmg output. Calculation is similar for Zelot. Once again, those are rough numbers. And I did not calculate optimal range bonus, resistance bonus and drone bay, so Sacrilege is not that bad. Trick is that Sacrilege can put two diferend weapon type, so you can fit 4 dmg mods without having stacking penalty.
Problem is that You need a lot more skils and have very wierd setup (which cannot be used in many situation - mostly some PVE actions) to have ALMOST good ship as others are. This is not fair. If I need to have more skills for my ship, then my skills should give me better ship.
Deimos has 30% more damage with just HAC lvl1. Sacrilege is the only HAC without damage bonus at all unless you count the missile RoR bonus.
I think the Laser bonus should be a EM missile damage bonus instead. That would make it a shield killer, the opposite of the eagle maybe. Lasers on the sac dont really work nor can you fit enough to deal decent damage due to no damage bonus.
The tankability is fine, maybe slightly more cap needed. ------ BlogÖ WTS Core-X kinetic hardener |
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