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Simon Illian	Posted - 2006.01.25 11:33:00 - [91] yes zero documentation on the new toys are really sad ... i've choose to do some tutorial for my corp member ... but why i must do that myself ? [BoBO Corp WebSite] BoBo Diplomat
Tommy TenKreds	Posted - 2006.01.25 12:24:00 - [92] MMOG's get away with a tremendous amount really, and EvE is no exception. How many companies producing over-the-counter, single player video games would survive if their games included no documentation? CCP fix the chat text alignment bug please.
Corp Scammer	Posted - 2006.01.25 12:27:00 - [93] online documentation would be acceptible they make so many hotfixes though that the forums serve the purpose once we get a search feature things should be better
Seleene	Posted - 2006.01.30 13:41:00 - [94] CCP, can you please explain the use of warp interdictors? Carriers corp hangar and maintenance arrays? How about a definitive explanation of jump clones that doesn't require a lot of trial and error screw-ups? I could keep going, but the original topic still stands. Some feedback, any feedback, would be appreciated. - CCP - New Documentation Please??
Ehlena	Posted - 2006.01.30 15:07:00 - [95] /signed By the way Seleene you have spelt Because wrong (the s and the u are the wrong way round, not surprising recently as i figured your heading to melt down with the number of times i see you on threads asking for simple things to help us). carry on
Ysolde Xen	Posted - 2006.01.30 15:22:00 - [96] /signed on the official EVE wiki ----- Just because you couldn't get a ship to do what you wanted doesn't mean it's a crap ship - it means you're a crap pilot of that ship.

Oveur	Posted - 2006.01.30 15:35:00 - [97] We actually have a whitepaper up for the increased documentation and help on features. It includes: Ingame and Insider EVE Encyclopedia Ingame Help, adding a "?" to windows which open the Encyclopedia entry for that window Ingame and Insider New Player Guide, which is basically a ordered listing and aggregation of topics from the Encyclopedia Hawt Chix Ok, maybe not Hawt Chix, but the basic concept is to create a wikipedia for EVE, which is utilized by the client and the Insider website massively, ensuring consistent information and minimize duplication and obsoletion. Ok, maybe we do need the Hawt Chix afterall. And of course get it done. Senior Producer EVE Online

Simon Illian	Posted - 2006.01.30 15:38:00 - [98] thanks you for you'r response, yes =V= Online change fast, i've start since 1 years and when i see what have change (no capital ship at the origne ...) a wiki is a must, htanks you for you'r response [BoBO Corp WebSite] BoBo Diplomat
Ysolde Xen	Posted - 2006.01.30 15:41:00 - [99] Originally by: Oveur We actually have a whitepaper up for the increased documentation and help on features. It includes: Ingame and Insider EVE Encyclopedia Ingame Help, adding a "?" to windows which open the Encyclopedia entry for that window Ingame and Insider New Player Guide, which is basically a ordered listing and aggregation of topics from the Encyclopedia Hawt Chix Ok, maybe not Hawt Chix, but the basic concept is to create a wikipedia for EVE, which is utilized by the client and the Insider website massively, ensuring consistent information and minimize duplication and obsoletion. Ok, maybe we do need the Hawt Chix afterall. And of course get it done. Woohoo!
Righteous Fury	Posted - 2006.01.30 15:50:00 - [100] Edited by: Righteous Fury on 30/01/2006 15:51:20 Oveur, that all sounds like a great start, but perhaps I could make a few suggestions: a) Open up some (if not all) of the encyclopedia for user-editing wikipedia style. I can't really tell if this functionality is inferred by what you're saying, but I think theres a real potential for experienced players to add tips and ideas on top of what the devs post. To prevent abuse, I'm sure editing could be linked to active game accounts and other countermeasures in place. b) Patchnotes Its been stated a million times already, but it bears repeating. There have been more times than I can count in the last two years that game functionality has been changed in a patch but there's no mention if it in patchnotes. There really isn't any solutions to this problem other than posting them all really. c) Hawt Chix on every page of the encyclopedia are a must.
Roshan longshot	Posted - 2006.01.30 15:55:00 - [101] Originally by: Oveur We actually have a whitepaper up for the increased documentation and help on features. It includes: Ingame and Insider EVE Encyclopedia Ingame Help, adding a "?" to windows which open the Encyclopedia entry for that window Ingame and Insider New Player Guide, which is basically a ordered listing and aggregation of topics from the Encyclopedia Hawt Chix Ok, maybe not Hawt Chix, but the basic concept is to create a wikipedia for EVE, which is utilized by the client and the Insider website massively, ensuring consistent information and minimize duplication and obsoletion. Ok, maybe we do need the Hawt Chix afterall. And of course get it done. Why cant your post get bumped into the number two slot? I dont want to read all the trolls and second guesser stuff just the op and Dev/GM replies? You got fancy little gold lines. Should that not mean somthing? Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter *pirate* or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.
FireFoxx80	Posted - 2006.01.30 16:02:00 - [102] Wasn't there mention of a Wiki at some point? 23? # Missile Tool # ex: P-TMC : USAC
ObviouslyAnAlt	Posted - 2006.01.30 16:12:00 - [103] Personally i like the lack of documentation, it adds alot of "depth". Plus i'm a relatively new player, around 10months old now. Personally the Devs should concentrate on getting those annoying bugs ironed out. If someone wants to make their own documentation, that's fine.
ObviouslyAnAlt	Posted - 2006.01.30 16:12:00 - [104] Personally i like the lack of documentation, it adds alot of "depth". Plus i'm a relatively new player, around 10months old now. Personally the Devs should concentrate on getting those annoying bugs ironed out. If someone wants to make their own documentation, that's fine.
Reatu Krentor	Posted - 2006.01.30 16:25:00 - [105] Originally by: ObviouslyAnAlt Personally i like the lack of documentation, it adds alot of "depth". Plus i'm a relatively new player, around 10months old now. Personally the Devs should concentrate on getting those annoying bugs ironed out. If someone wants to make their own documentation, that's fine. I can't help but think you're just trying to get some flames going, going by your name Lack of documentation should not ever be a way to add depth to a game(or pretty much anything), wouldn't it be fun if that cupboard you got from Ikea would lack any documentation because they wanted to add some challenge to the assembly of it ? ------------------------------------------ The ammatar are not the enemy, they are the smoke and mirrors of the amarr.
AlleyKat	Posted - 2006.01.30 16:43:00 - [106] Signed. There is far too much information that you have to carry around in your head. Sometimes you contradict yourself with that which is 'common knowledge' and that which is fact. For a company to give so much thought to this game, it seems a shame that they do not give the same ammount of thought to the manual. Tree diagrams, graphs, module hierarchy, 'how do I?' sections for each module/ship/processs, 'why would I want to do that?' sections for new items or processes, 'when/where can I use this?' sections for new modules. I also agree with another poster on a different thread regarding skills and training; We need to know these things, because we have to train for them or buy them, why spend that time and investment into something that you cannot use or not be able to use in the way that you wanted? Or believed you could?. Raise your hands if you want to fly a dreadnought! Why? Are you part of an alliance and need to shoot down POS's? Do you fly in low sec space? Do you have a fleet of ships willing to defend your incredibly vunerable ship? If the answer is no, then you do not need to train for this 1.5 billion isk ship, and I swear to god, there are a lot of people out there training for them, not knowing about their limitations. Seleene is right on the money here, EVE may be a community game, that CCP encourages people to use the information for their own websites and online community, but needs an official bible of some kind. Regards, AK.
Seleene	Posted - 2006.01.30 16:49:00 - [107] ME = PROGRESS!! Thanks Oveur! - CCP - New Documentation Please??
Rudolf Miller	Posted - 2006.01.30 17:28:00 - [108] Originally by: Oveur We actually have a whitepaper up for the increased documentation and help on features. It includes: Ingame and Insider EVE Encyclopedia Ingame Help, adding a "?" to windows which open the Encyclopedia entry for that window Ingame and Insider New Player Guide, which is basically a ordered listing and aggregation of topics from the Encyclopedia Hawt Chix Ok, maybe not Hawt Chix, but the basic concept is to create a wikipedia for EVE, which is utilized by the client and the Insider website massively, ensuring consistent information and minimize duplication and obsoletion. Ok, maybe we do need the Hawt Chix afterall. And of course get it done. At the risk of sounding stupid, where is the white paper located. If it is under patch notes, there is nothing there.
Bonaventure Augustus	Posted - 2006.01.30 18:06:00 - [109] Originally by: Rudolf Miller Originally by: Oveur We actually have a whitepaper up for the increased documentation and help on features. It includes: Ingame and Insider EVE Encyclopedia Ingame Help, adding a "?" to windows which open the Encyclopedia entry for that window Ingame and Insider New Player Guide, which is basically a ordered listing and aggregation of topics from the Encyclopedia Hawt Chix Ok, maybe not Hawt Chix, but the basic concept is to create a wikipedia for EVE, which is utilized by the client and the Insider website massively, ensuring consistent information and minimize duplication and obsoletion. Ok, maybe we do need the Hawt Chix afterall. And of course get it done. At the risk of sounding stupid, where is the white paper located. If it is under patch notes, there is nothing there. Its probably an internal CCP document. Like their beer tab. Wiki sounds like a good idea, although you'd need a mod to police it. Who knows what the amarr would write about the matari. To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.01.30 18:08:00 - [110] anyone wanna put money on which dev put forward the idea of hawt chix? i'm saying hammer
LoxyRider	Posted - 2006.01.30 18:12:00 - [111] And another night of love'n well earned in the Seleene and Oveur household . ----- LoxyRider * gives eris the evil eye for locking his press release :p Eris Discordia * sticks out tongue

Eris Discordia	Posted - 2006.01.30 18:58:00 - [112] The white paper isn't under patch notes or anywhere public, at the moment people are still adding things to it and thinking about all the details that need be thought of. Just be assured that CCP is working on more documentation and a lot of people are thinking about it and trying to make it well...just awesome in general

Seleene	Posted - 2006.01.30 18:58:00 - [113] Originally by: LoxyRider And another night of love'n well earned in the Seleene and Oveur household . He kept me waiting out in the cold for a month. I ask you, is that love??? - CCP - New Documentation Please??
Nicholas Barker	Posted - 2006.01.30 21:12:00 - [114] how about it only tells you when you've got the skill to use it... otherwise you wouldn't need the skill ;) ----------------- Where'd me pod go?
Kim Chee	Posted - 2006.01.30 23:17:00 - [115] What might be a nice halfway point between the fully blessed documentation from the Source, and random ramblings of players; might be a wikipedia setup which the devs might browse and occasionally add comments. IE: Allow anyone to write what they think something does, or how they go about doing something... and if one of the devs spots something that's spot on, or that's total rubbish... they could say so. :) Wiki-style documentation allows you to structure it a little more than forum topics, but still be fully expandable. It also keeps change historys for every page, so you can see how things evolve over time. *Vila Restal: I'm entitled to my opinion. Kerr Avon*: It is your assumption that we are entitled to it as well that is irritating.
Sharcy	Posted - 2006.01.31 10:18:00 - [116] Edited by: Sharcy on 31/01/2006 10:19:16 Edited by: Sharcy on 31/01/2006 10:18:29 Originally by: Oveur Ok, maybe we do need the Hawt Chix afterall. And of course get it done. Make sure you put a clause in their contract that forces them to play Minmatar sla... erm... characters... Originally by: HippoKing i'm saying hammer Boobies... Originally by: Eris Discordia Just be assured that CCP is working on more documentation Don't worry Eris, even if Oveur gets some extra Hawt Chix, you'll still be the hawtest... -- Sonnema is recruiting!
Xaen Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2006.09.18 18:16:00 - [117] Originally by: Oveur Ingame and Insider EVE Encyclopedia Will this wiki be player updatable? Cause I figure 30k people could bring the wiki up to speed faster than 1 full time guy. Obviously there would have to be some moderation in place to prevent random acts of internet asshattery, but wikipedia has proven that us geeks love nothing more than to correct others' mistakes and flaunt our 1337 knowledge. I imagine it would become fleshed out and 99% complete in no time. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Question absolutely everything.

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