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Gravedancer
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Posted - 2003.08.20 18:22:00 -
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Edited by: Gravedancer on 20/08/2003 18:24:16 Ok being in a corp that specializes in mining, I still say this:
Get secure cans and use them or you have no right to complain about ore thieves
For those that will say "bbbbbbuuut the secure cans are too small for mining", well thats not true. Weve found great ways to put them to use mining and keeping our stuff secure. If you cant figure out how to do it, go join a corp that does know.
Simple fact is that its tough to get ahead in EVE playing solo. You want to be a solo miner and mine the fastest way possible (dump to a non secure can and come back with Indy later) then you take some inherent risk. You complain that the Devs should do something about ore thieves... well they already have. That is exactly why the secure containers were put in. Its your choice whether to use them or not. If you chose not to, dont complain when someone robs you blind. I say the same thing to any members of my corp that dont use secure cans and then get upset when they get robbed. There really is no valid excuse.
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Mynobe Soletae
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Posted - 2003.08.20 18:30:00 -
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The reason why the number of cargo theft cases has suddenly increased is because the cargo thieves are the alts of griefers mostly. Example: Turrak = Ywev. I'm sure there are others.
It takes a certain kind of personality to enjoy stealing ore from others; the same kind of personality, I would guess, that enjoys podkilling newbies.
It's increased lately because, with the changes to sentry guns and police, griefers can't grief in 1.0 Yulai anymore, so they're bored. So, they log on their alt and grief another way.
And then they brag on their dedicated #eve-chaos line, which is just about the only IRC line they haven't been banned from.
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SolApathy
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Posted - 2003.08.20 18:51:00 -
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Edited by: SolApathy on 20/08/2003 18:53:41 my solution is simple. Booby-trapped cargo containers. Make them a part of the game. The person who owns them can have a special icon that indicates it is armed. anyone else that attempts to steal it gets a little surprise... This would be good for those who want to mine by themselves...If they want to steal your cargo they take a chance
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Prime One
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Posted - 2003.08.20 19:09:00 -
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Still don't understand some of this. I can see how it's not illegal but every action should have some consequences.
All those cool, super uber pirates that prey on the weak have always said "Get a group and defend yourself". But in this case the fella was willing to defend himself but he can't without a security hit and most likely a pod ride IF concord is not on coffee break.
We are all here to fight over our piece of this universe right? That guy chose his piece of the universe to be that can. He created it and he filled it. How come he can't defend it without a sec hit? What makes that wrong?
The original author gave two very valid non-carebear, non-whining suggestions: Give him a 35K can (which would require a indy to haul) or give him the ability to fight. I would much rather see the ability to fight myself as then more PVP battles would take place in belts rather than at gates, which is another common complaint.
If a player drops a can in the belt and any other player not in the gang touches it, every ship in the belt goes to temp war. If the person that touched it is in a gang, his entire gang becomes involved. Any new ships entering the belt get immediate threat notices and it works similar to the new rules of the gates, no warping until aggressions have ended. You either finish the battle or stop fighting. One lone indy should not be allowed to roll into a bunch of miners and take everything with no repercussion. Empire space or not.
I'm not the pirate loving type but a tweaked version of the above seems fair to me. Until then, everyone knows that secure containers should be used. Once you get four or five full non-secure cans stolen that price for the secure one seems to make a little more sense.
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Marcus Grisbius
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Posted - 2003.08.20 19:28:00 -
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But if you attack a person that pulled out the stuff that you put in a trash can outside, the real life cops aren't going to attack the man. They will attack the person who attack the man. You will be arrested for assault and be taken 'downtown' for booking. The person that pulled the stuff out of the trash goes free without any charges against him. It wasn't stealing because it was no longer anyone's property.
The same is true with a jettisoned can. It has NO attachment to the person that jettisoned it. There is no marking on it that says it's yours. Thus, if you jettison a can, you don't own it anymore and no one stole anything from you. You put it in the trash and now it's free for the taking. I know that may be harsh but it's the way the laws are set up here. To protect your ore you have to use a secure can that shows who it belongs to.
I have mined into a can before, but I always realized that at any moment I could lose all of it to someone who would want to take it. It's like if you go shopping and find something you like but you need to come back later with more money. You try to hide it in a different part of the store so people don't pick it up and buy it. But if someone gets it they haven't taken anything from you.
You can say that you own a can floating in space but nowhere does it say it's yours. You can't prove it so it doesn't matter. The fact that you jettisoned it says that you don't claim it anymore and have given up the rights to the next person to find it. Whether that's the intent of you mining to the can or not, that IS what you have said to everyone in the game, ore 'thieves', police, other players.
Ore 'thieves' are running no less of an exploit or scam than the can miners themselves. How in the world could you jettison a container full of a load and then keep on filling it outside of your ship. It really shouldn't be done period but while you can just take the pros with the cons.
Certainty of death... little chance of success... what are we waiting for? - Gimli, son of Gloinn |
Belit
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Posted - 2003.08.20 19:57:00 -
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Folks, every can shows who owns it in through the Show Info button. So it cannot be thought of as debris.
If I am fishing, and I put out a couple of traps, someone comes up next to me to steal from them, I can defend them. A cop comes up, he doesn't shoot me and I can explain the situation. The other guy gets arrested.
We need some way to defend our belonging that are less than lethal and do not pull the cops down on us.
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Ywev
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Posted - 2003.08.20 21:04:00 -
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Quote: Turrak = Ywev.
That is correct how did you find out!??!?! :)
Pod ya later.. Ywev
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Lao Tzu
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Posted - 2003.08.21 06:04:00 -
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Ok slow typing time
Jettisoning cargo is throwing it away, If people pick up the stuff you've thrown away, it's not stealing.
CCP never intended jettsion cans to act as huge ore stores in space, there are secure cans and indies for that.
just to recap. Taking stuff from jettison can is not stealing.
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LURCHY
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Posted - 2003.08.21 06:33:00 -
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Edited by: LURCHY on 21/08/2003 06:34:10 Because it's fun!!!!!!!!!! I like to see people get mad and start shooting and then the police come in and blow them up. |
LURCHY
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Posted - 2003.08.21 06:35:00 -
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HEHEHEHE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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