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sim2killa
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Posted - 2003.08.20 05:48:00 -
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i was ferrying in korama with my fellow corp members when this guy named turrak just startung to steal are ore and because of the new patch we couldnt fight back and kill him or fend him off.
yes i know we could buy secure cans but why waste the money there ok but there hold is a bit small for there price especially when we mined over 60million in ore today and didnt have much trouble with lotters till about 515 eve time then the trouble started saddly. i think there should be something done about these vile inhuman players of eve.
or atleast give us the ablity to kill the people stealling from are can;s or make a much bigger can for ore like 10000 that fits in a 6000 or 7500 cargo
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Talak Relketh
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Posted - 2003.08.20 05:54:00 -
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Unfortunately, that's the price you pay for not using secure cans 
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MAXIUM MINING
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Posted - 2003.08.20 05:57:00 -
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My solution has always been to get a buddy. We get into Kestrels and load 4 cruise missiles each. One ship with EM, other with Exp. I fire my missiles and then get jammed and blown away and he then fires his. And the dumb n00b in the indy dies. If you wanna be extra cruel have a third friend to kill the pod.
Kestrels are worth nothing. Any thing is more then enough firepwr to take out an indy of any class. Cops don't jam till you fire your fire shot. For a kestrel thats about 1000 dmg with skills. Idiots always ignor frigs and ore jackers feel safe in empire space. For some reason they always demand you replace their ship.
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Turrak
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Posted - 2003.08.20 06:00:00 -
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I love ore.
Ore Inspection Team 1
Surveyor of fine ores.
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Leon Aerie
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Posted - 2003.08.20 06:01:00 -
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yes, ore is nice!
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sim2killa
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Posted - 2003.08.20 06:07:00 -
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figures that 2 thieves would responed to my thread
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Woda Hszan
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Posted - 2003.08.20 06:12:00 -
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As in all games of this type, where player have to gather something. There are always other players who are to lazy to gather them selves and would rather just loot or kill for it.
Just look at Ultima Online for an example.
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ChaosTEK
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Posted - 2003.08.20 06:37:00 -
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Edited by: ChaosTEK on 20/08/2003 06:37:59
Get some of them huge secure containers. They hold around 3500 each. Dump as much of them around as you need.... problem solved.
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Mojo JoJo
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Posted - 2003.08.20 06:55:00 -
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do they work now or are the big cans still bugged?
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BlindFury
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Posted - 2003.08.20 07:03:00 -
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too bad so sad, next time use a secure container.
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SISQO
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Posted - 2003.08.20 07:12:00 -
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Stealing from others gives them a sadistic pleasure...
The *****ing, the whining, the crying the angry clenched fist waving up and down, the verble threats..ahhh. 
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Garreck
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Posted - 2003.08.20 07:36:00 -
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There are a couple of things one can do to help with security status: be on good terms with a good agent and buy back security status or go to low security space and hunt NPC's for a while. Having established that security status is easy enough to fix...
If anybody steals your stuff, blast 'em. Just make sure you can get the heck out before CONCORD comes in and ruins your righteous fury.
Garreck
Aeternus Crusade
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XeQtR
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Posted - 2003.08.20 08:14:00 -
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". For some reason they always demand you replace their ship.
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They really do that?
The nerve of some people
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chayneic
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Posted - 2003.08.20 08:23:00 -
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Turrak lost his Indy in Pen tonight. Justice was at least served temporarily.
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SkyLeach
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Posted - 2003.08.20 08:24:00 -
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Turrak = Ywev.
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Vierna Hu'Net
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Posted - 2003.08.20 08:30:00 -
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Have secondary "bad" characters most of the time we have no problems, but i know that Home World Tech has some players with secondary accounts who have "bad" characters, they jump the belt and shoot the thief then relog to their "good" characters again!
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yarr
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Posted - 2003.08.20 08:30:00 -
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people steal ore because it's legal, easy, and unless you pick on someone with a big set o' balls, there are no repurcussions.
-Get a load of large secure containers
-Be less greedy, return to base more
-Kill them and run
-ignore them, and lose your ore
-log off, and come back when they're sleeping
-stabs thems in their eyeses
These are your options. If I were you, I'd start at the top and work your way down.
and asking for a +40% cargo container is laughable. don't even.
If all these options fail, don't hesitate to supply me with your location. I guarantee those guys won't get your ore*.
*before I do.
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Drefsab
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Posted - 2003.08.20 08:45:00 -
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This is why you make an alt with a combat frigate. When theres an ore theif about kill him and his pod.. sure concord come in and kill your poor little frigate but no big deal. The Alt takes the sec hit and the ore theif looses his ship and isk for a clone and with any luck a whole load of skills and items.
When they demand their ship back its a simple case of demand all the ore hes ever stolen back :)
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Ganymedes
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Posted - 2003.08.20 08:57:00 -
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The sudden increase in ore thieves is caused by well-known pirates using alts to steal ore, probably out of boredom or some sort of twisted lameness.
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Loupdinour
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Posted - 2003.08.20 14:16:00 -
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Vierna Hu'Net, from what I've seen, we haven't bothered to log on alts to do our justice to theives, we just take the hit on the shoulder and let it go. Since we are out in 0.0 space 90% of our time, low sec status for killing a thief is no biggie. Gimmie a gun, tell me who to shoot and I'll comply.
Just my comment/opinions, not that of Homeworld Technologies.
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Turtle
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Posted - 2003.08.20 14:48:00 -
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MMORPG's at there best imitate life. Eve does this better than most I have seen. We have all different types in this game and that is what makes it interesting.
Most of us would never in RL think about being pirates and thieves, it not something most people do in polite society. But ingame we can explore our darker selves and have fun doing it.
In most of the rpg's I have played I have been the palidan type of charactor. Defender of the weak aand all that jazz. Granted there are all medival settings and fit my personality.
Eve is different. For one thing it most closely imatates life today. Trading, markets corperations, etc. I'm very successfully in my business but I do everything above board.
So when playing this game I want to do something out of charactor, I'm a rouge. I may steal your ore cans or I may defend you from ore stealing pirates, whatever suits my fancy. I may camp a gate and ask for tolls or I may help clear a blockade.
The one thing I don't want to see are more restrictions though. If you want to be safe in mining use secure containers or more indies. If you are worried about blockades get a escort. There is so much more that when can do with this game than is commonly done now. Let the game breath and I think everyone will have much more fun.
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Presidio
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Posted - 2003.08.20 15:12:00 -
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Best solution for right now, is to mine in lower security places 0.4 or less. We have killed 5-6 people so far for approaching the cans in past 2 months.
Secure can is not an option if you're a fast miner, because you can strip mine the field pretty quick and you have to keep dropping new containes as you move on. There is no way to destroy the secure cans, I could only imagine what the asteroid belt would look like, it would probably cause allot of lag.
It sux for the new players, so I am sure CCP will do something about it.
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"Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive."
Mao Tse-tung
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.08.20 16:48:00 -
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Other than securing the new huge/giant containers, they won't do anything. They don't have to. Ore thieving only occurs when people try to use jettison cans to do massive amounts of mining on their own, and don't have a hauler to run it back to base.
If you mine fast, then giving someone a cut of your profit will hurt less.
the only other thing I can see CCP doing is putting the hacking skill/tools/etc. in, so people can start thieving again.
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Loupdinour
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Posted - 2003.08.20 16:49:00 -
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Edited by: Loupdinour on 20/08/2003 16:50:56
Good post/opinions Turtle. Unfortunatly there aren;t enough people who can make contructive critisizm or adapt in this game. The majority it seems are one of two extreemists:
"Carebears" wanting to be able to play the game in complete safety and
"Whiners" who want CCP to make the game how they want it since they pay for it, forgetting there are other people's opinions out there.
The people who don't fit into those two catagories are the ones who understand that this is CCP's game and they will change it how they wish into what they wish the game to be.
IMHO the Carebears should go play single-player games or a MMPOG that has non-PvP servers and hope people don't use exploits on them. The Whiners should go create their own computer game/join the CS team of Eve to show us all how it is done.
Back to what this thread was created for. Simple fact, if you wish to mine quickly, you loose security of your ore. You have to make a comprimize at some point. For the anti-gate camping people, like Turtle said, get an escourt before you advance into unsafe territory (yes that means you cant be all alone and take all the profit, life sucks move on).
For all those who wish to "overthrow the mods", go make another messege board to go gripe on. The rules are set forth by CCP and the people at Polaris follw them, so stop being on thier case.
To the people complaining about customer support, petition in a calm matter with as much USEFUL information as you can and try to show how to repeat the problem. But before that even happens, look and see on the boards if it is already been brought to everyone's attention and is being worked on.
And Finally, to those who make seperate threads on a subject already being discussed, prepair for it to get locked and you have a link shown to you as to where to post it. You create more and more crap threads and you are keeping Polaris away from doing what they should be doing (which btw ISN'T to babysit you).
All you Anti-Mods people, be lucky I am not a Polaris Mod. If so, I'd make them all look like nice people and I'd be one hella iron-fisted Mod. I would be enforcing the 3 strike rule...if I have to lock 3 threads of yours that have repeataly have broken forum rules, you would be banned. Be lucky al lthat has been happening so far are thread locks/deletions and you haven't been banned from the forums and/or the game itself for the way you conduct yourselves here.
My lunch-break is over and I have no way to end this so, continue your lives and be happy all 
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Marcus Grisbius
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Posted - 2003.08.20 17:00:00 -
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The truth is that it's not actually stealing if you don't have a secure can. The Devs have been clear on this. Anything you jettison is free for anyone's taking. It's like putting a couch in front of the trash dumpster. It's especially dumb to mine to a jettisoned can in high sec space. There is so much for you to lose other than your ore if you try to retaliate. If you want to do the mine to a can thing, do it in lower sec systems without much traffic.
Certainty of death... little chance of success... what are we waiting for? - Gimli, son of Gloinn |
Lysithea
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Posted - 2003.08.20 17:23:00 -
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The fact is: stealing from a container that does not belong to you or your corp is (or should be) a crime.
Realistically, the coding for that kind of logic would be difficult. If you made thievery a crime punishable by Concord, you would likely see Concord vessels firing upon people who have been hired to haul ore. If anything, they should find a way to allow players to shoot thieves without Concord getting invloved.
The logic rule would be: if Player A takes material from a cargo container belonging to Corp B, then anyone in Corp B can legally shoot Player A. If Player A is a member or friend of Corp B, then no shots would be fired for obvious reasons. If Player A is a true thief, then he gets shot and Concord doesn't get involved.
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Alain Josviar
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Posted - 2003.08.20 17:24:00 -
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Let me guess, at one time you had a higher level frigate with 2 miner 1's and no offensive weapons mounted on it?
Dumping mined ore to an unlocked container floating around in space is like leaving your wallet full of money sitting in the middle of a homeless shelter. Don't be shocked when you return to find it empty.
Asinine.
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Scragg
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Posted - 2003.08.20 17:45:00 -
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Its called salvage rights. Anyting floating unsecured in space is free loot and free for the taking. Buy a secure container or get a big indy to keep your ore in.
Of course if you mine in 0.0 space and "salvage" some ore that a big corp thinks they have a claim to you might have a problem. You might even find yourself waking up in a clone vatt or at the very least getting to know the inside of your escape pod a little better.
Scragg, Tyrell Corporation
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Zakura
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Posted - 2003.08.20 17:45:00 -
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Edited by: Zakura on 20/08/2003 17:46:10
is it really that much ore thieves? .. where are u mining? .. If u are in 0.8 and lower there is pirates, not many n00bs go there, they are in 1.0 .. Ore thieves have steal from my can 2 times, 2 diffrent guys.. We almost killed one of them, the concord blew our thorax's though.. but.. that guy didnt steal anymore - and the other guy also got podded.. and didnt steal anymore.. So wtf - kill them! 
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Pradoker
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Posted - 2003.08.20 17:57:00 -
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Just hire SuperDeep Haulers Corp. I would be glad to help you transport your ore to safe location for a % of the profits. I have a bestower and can lend you large secure containters (extra charge.) to keep it safe.
Ingame name Pradoker.
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Gravedancer
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Posted - 2003.08.20 18:22:00 -
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Edited by: Gravedancer on 20/08/2003 18:24:16
Ok being in a corp that specializes in mining, I still say this:
Get secure cans and use them or you have no right to complain about ore thieves
For those that will say "bbbbbbuuut the secure cans are too small for mining", well thats not true. Weve found great ways to put them to use mining and keeping our stuff secure. If you cant figure out how to do it, go join a corp that does know.
Simple fact is that its tough to get ahead in EVE playing solo. You want to be a solo miner and mine the fastest way possible (dump to a non secure can and come back with Indy later) then you take some inherent risk. You complain that the Devs should do something about ore thieves... well they already have. That is exactly why the secure containers were put in. Its your choice whether to use them or not. If you chose not to, dont complain when someone robs you blind.
I say the same thing to any members of my corp that dont use secure cans and then get upset when they get robbed. There really is no valid excuse.
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Mynobe Soletae
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Posted - 2003.08.20 18:30:00 -
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The reason why the number of cargo theft cases has suddenly increased is because the cargo thieves are the alts of griefers mostly. Example: Turrak = Ywev. I'm sure there are others.
It takes a certain kind of personality to enjoy stealing ore from others; the same kind of personality, I would guess, that enjoys podkilling newbies.
It's increased lately because, with the changes to sentry guns and police, griefers can't grief in 1.0 Yulai anymore, so they're bored. So, they log on their alt and grief another way.
And then they brag on their dedicated #eve-chaos line, which is just about the only IRC line they haven't been banned from.
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SolApathy
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Posted - 2003.08.20 18:51:00 -
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Edited by: SolApathy on 20/08/2003 18:53:41
my solution is simple. Booby-trapped cargo containers. Make them a part of the game. The person who owns them can have a special icon that indicates it is armed. anyone else that attempts to steal it gets a little surprise... This would be good for those who want to mine by themselves...If they want to steal your cargo they take a chance
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Prime One
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Posted - 2003.08.20 19:09:00 -
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Still don't understand some of this. I can see how it's not illegal but every action should have some consequences.
All those cool, super uber pirates that prey on the weak have always said "Get a group and defend yourself". But in this case the fella was willing to defend himself but he can't without a security hit and most likely a pod ride IF concord is not on coffee break.
We are all here to fight over our piece of this universe right? That guy chose his piece of the universe to be that can. He created it and he filled it. How come he can't defend it without a sec hit? What makes that wrong?
The original author gave two very valid non-carebear, non-whining suggestions: Give him a 35K can (which would require a indy to haul) or give him the ability to fight. I would much rather see the ability to fight myself as then more PVP battles would take place in belts rather than at gates, which is another common complaint.
If a player drops a can in the belt and any other player not in the gang touches it, every ship in the belt goes to temp war. If the person that touched it is in a gang, his entire gang becomes involved. Any new ships entering the belt get immediate threat notices and it works similar to the new rules of the gates, no warping until aggressions have ended. You either finish the battle or stop fighting. One lone indy should not be allowed to roll into a bunch of miners and take everything with no repercussion. Empire space or not.
I'm not the pirate loving type but a tweaked version of the above seems fair to me. Until then, everyone knows that secure containers should be used. Once you get four or five full non-secure cans stolen that price for the secure one seems to make a little more sense.
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Marcus Grisbius
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Posted - 2003.08.20 19:28:00 -
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But if you attack a person that pulled out the stuff that you put in a trash can outside, the real life cops aren't going to attack the man. They will attack the person who attack the man. You will be arrested for assault and be taken 'downtown' for booking. The person that pulled the stuff out of the trash goes free without any charges against him. It wasn't stealing because it was no longer anyone's property.
The same is true with a jettisoned can. It has NO attachment to the person that jettisoned it. There is no marking on it that says it's yours. Thus, if you jettison a can, you don't own it anymore and no one stole anything from you. You put it in the trash and now it's free for the taking. I know that may be harsh but it's the way the laws are set up here. To protect your ore you have to use a secure can that shows who it belongs to.
I have mined into a can before, but I always realized that at any moment I could lose all of it to someone who would want to take it. It's like if you go shopping and find something you like but you need to come back later with more money. You try to hide it in a different part of the store so people don't pick it up and buy it. But if someone gets it they haven't taken anything from you.
You can say that you own a can floating in space but nowhere does it say it's yours. You can't prove it so it doesn't matter. The fact that you jettisoned it says that you don't claim it anymore and have given up the rights to the next person to find it. Whether that's the intent of you mining to the can or not, that IS what you have said to everyone in the game, ore 'thieves', police, other players.
Ore 'thieves' are running no less of an exploit or scam than the can miners themselves. How in the world could you jettison a container full of a load and then keep on filling it outside of your ship. It really shouldn't be done period but while you can just take the pros with the cons.
Certainty of death... little chance of success... what are we waiting for? - Gimli, son of Gloinn |
Belit
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Posted - 2003.08.20 19:57:00 -
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Folks, every can shows who owns it in through the Show Info button. So it cannot be thought of as debris.
If I am fishing, and I put out a couple of traps, someone comes up next to me to steal from them, I can defend them. A cop comes up, he doesn't shoot me and I can explain the situation. The other guy gets arrested.
We need some way to defend our belonging that are less than lethal and do not pull the cops down on us.
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Ywev
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Posted - 2003.08.20 21:04:00 -
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 Quote:
Turrak = Ywev.
That is correct how did you find out!??!?! :)
Pod ya later..
Ywev
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Lao Tzu
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Posted - 2003.08.21 06:04:00 -
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Ok slow typing time
Jettisoning cargo is throwing it away, If people pick up the stuff you've thrown away, it's not stealing.
CCP never intended jettsion cans to act as huge ore stores in space, there are secure cans and indies for that.
just to recap.
Taking stuff from jettison can is not stealing.
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LURCHY
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Posted - 2003.08.21 06:33:00 -
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Edited by: LURCHY on 21/08/2003 06:34:10
Because it's fun!!!!!!!!!! I like to see people get mad and start shooting and then the police come in and blow them up. |
LURCHY
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Posted - 2003.08.21 06:35:00 -
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HEHEHEHE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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