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Tanya Powers Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 65	Posted - 2011.10.29 10:03:00 - [31] - Quote Terminal Insanity wrote: Now, even if you disagree with this point, i sill think its unfair the Talos is the only of the four that receives ewar bonuses Has Gallente pilots can tell you it's unfair you can hit with your large Auto Canons from 100km or with your large Scorch Pulse at -/+65km when blasters are limited to 25 end falloff and dmg not scratching your paint. So it's all about who whines the best ?
Zrygthn Azurlm Zharous Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2011.10.29 10:09:00 - [32] - Quote Swap the web bonus to 5% tracking bonus or even 7.5% to match the megathron's bonus. Or remove Talos drones and nerf base speed so it can't break 2.4km/s with ease.
Alara IonStorm RvB - BLUE Republic 230	Posted - 2011.10.29 10:15:00 - [33] - Quote Zrygthn Azurlm Zharous wrote: Swap the web bonus to 5% tracking bonus or even 7.5% to match the megathron's bonus. Or remove Talos drones and nerf base speed so it can't break 2.4km/s with ease. Or do none of that, I like the none of that part. We should stick with none of that. Gallente need a Win, no one else needs a win they all got Drakes and Tengu's and Vagabonds and Maelstroms and Abbadons and Guardians and Loki's and Zealots and... Gallente needs a win.
Kade Jeekin Kinda'Shujaa 4	Posted - 2011.10.29 10:20:00 - [34] - Quote Terminal Insanity wrote: Web/Target Painters have always been a minmatar ewar bonus. Gallente have traditionally always gotten bonuses to their point ranges and sensor damps.... Please keep the ewar seperated. The pirate faction ships have mixed some of these abilities (obviously because they are intended to be a mixture of technology from the two empires) but these tier3 ships, from what i understand, are not Pirate ships and should not be mixing bonuses from other races I understand your frustration but, in my opinion, you are coming from a false sense of how much the designers care about faction flavour. The EWAR/Faction link only came about with T2 Recon ships, and got extended to EAS later. Check out the fleet/navy faction items: Caldari Navy: Stasis Webifiers, Warp Jammers Imperial Navy: Energy Vampires/Destabilisers Republic Fleet: Warp Jammers, Target Painters Federation Navy: Stasis Webifiers Ammatar Navy: Energy Vampires/Destabilisers Khanid Navy: Stasis Webifiers, Warp Jammers So, the Republic Fleet get Web Jammers and the Federation Navy get Stasis Webifiers. See also that the Caldari and Khanid Navies get both, but no ECM! In fact it's only the Republic Fleet who actually have an EWAR module (the target painter) that complements their T1 ship bonus (Vigil/Bellicose), and that only got introduced relatively recently. Its only CCP who know whether their designers actually had an original concept of faction flavoured ship EWAR bonus coupled with items that didn't get carried through or not. Fairness doesn't come into it. Adapt.
Tore Vest Vikinghall 23	Posted - 2011.10.29 10:30:00 - [35] - Quote Vigilant and Cynabal are mini vindi and mach.... Dont take that away from them.... Tier 3 battlecruisers are..... something else... I hope they can be usefull for whatever....
Rene Fullchest Disgruntled Postal Workers Union 0	Posted - 2011.10.29 10:42:00 - [36] - Quote Terminal Insanity wrote: meh I dont consider my post to be 'whining'. Whiners never do.
Rhinanna Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 52	Posted - 2011.10.29 10:43:00 - [37] - Quote Web range bonus would be much more useful but yes it would kinda make the minmatar recons somewhat obsolete in fleets if it was put on the talos, as it stands, Talos is great for screwing ceptors, Rapier is great for catching stuff running back to gates or trying to run away. Seems to work fine! I don't see the problem here, just get close and face-melt. -The sword is only as sharp as the one who wields it! Other names: Drenzul (WoT, WoW, Lineage 2, WarH, BloodBowl, BSG, SC2 and lots more)-á
Alara IonStorm RvB - BLUE Republic 232	Posted - 2011.10.29 10:49:00 - [38] - Quote Rhinanna wrote: Web range bonus would be much more useful I want a Web Disruptor. 20 KM Stasis Web with a 25-30% Hold.
El'Niaga Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 44	Posted - 2011.10.29 10:50:00 - [39] - Quote Captain Alcatraz wrote: web range = minmatar web strength = gallente next Sums it up nicely Web Strength is a nice compliment to the short range of blasters. The thing is most fleets underuse webs, remote sensor dampeners and other tools provided to help Gallente ships close.
Onictus Legendary Knights Vorpal's Edge 3	Posted - 2011.10.29 10:55:00 - [40] - Quote Rhinanna wrote: Web range bonus would be much more useful but yes it would kinda make the minmatar recons somewhat obsolete in fleets if it was put on the talos, as it stands, Talos is great for screwing ceptors, Rapier is great for catching stuff running back to gates or trying to run away. Seems to work fine! I don't see the problem here, just get close and face-melt. The Talos fixes a couple issues with blaster BC's, 1) range, its finally a BC that can hit past scram range (yay) and 2) being kited. That web bonus means it behooves you to fit a web, and with 4 mids that means you are armor tanking so you aren't going to be running down recons and nano-canes, and you aren't going to see Hyperion DPS without going pure glass cannon fit. It'll be fun I think, expendable, but fun.

ElQuirko Boxxed Up Industries 2	Posted - 2011.10.29 10:55:00 - [41] - Quote I'm pretty sure this is so minmatar can't pull of their old trick of going "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA YOU'LL NEVER HIT ME!!!!!" and orbiting the new battlecruisers at 500m in ridiculously fast ships. Weak tank on the new BC means that they need to make up for it by HITTING the minmatar bastards with those new big guns.
Alara IonStorm RvB - BLUE Republic 233	Posted - 2011.10.29 11:02:00 - [42] - Quote ElQuirko wrote: I'm pretty sure this is so minmatar can't pull of their old trick of going "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA YOU'LL NEVER HIT ME!!!!!" and orbiting the new battlecruisers at 500m in ridiculously fast ships. Weak tank on the new BC means that they need to make up for it by HITTING the minmatar bastards with those new big guns. I guess the Tornado will have to make do sitting 20km away WD II pulling that old trick off... ElQuirko wrote: "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA YOU'LL NEVER HIT ME!!!!!" Orbiting the new Battlecruisers at 20km in ridiculously fast ships.
Shotgun' Sara Cyanyde Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2011.10.29 11:10:00 - [43] - Quote olololololololololl seen proposed design of talos ? glad im amarr hahah good luck with the ugliest gallente ship yet. i say this because regardless of what the attributes say the ships image has alot to do with it's popularity (especially amongst gallente dog scum) it looks like the worst possible combination of a Ratrod and a Toaster oven, (that was subsequently impregnated by a typewriter) argue all you want about bonuses... what i want to know is when is the art director getting fired and can his replacement please design the amarr ship thank you.
Tanya Powers Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 65	Posted - 2011.10.29 11:19:00 - [44] - Quote Shotgun' Sara Cyanyde wrote: olololololololololl seen proposed design of talos ? glad im amarr hahah good luck with the ugliest gallente ship yet. i say this because regardless of what the attributes say the ships image has alot to do with it's popularity (especially amongst gallente dog scum) it looks like the worst possible combination of a Ratrod and a Toaster oven, (that was subsequently impregnated by a typewriter) argue all you want about bonuses... what i want to know is when is the art director getting fired and can his replacement please design the amarr ship thank you. Like it or hate it you will not fly it so your opinion on Gallente design is meaningless But if you really want to fly your space bug it's up to you. I don't like it, it stinks.
Kellyl Spiritus Draconis 0	Posted - 2011.10.29 11:23:00 - [45] - Quote OP could have saved himself the time of disguising his TRUE point here... BOO HOO , I don't want 90% webs at every gate camp.
Calapine Xeno Tech Corp Flatline. 9	Posted - 2011.10.29 13:38:00 - [46] - Quote Terminal Insanity wrote: Anyways, this is not fair. Gallente's tier3 is the only one with any ewar bonuses, and its a minmatar ewar bonus. Waaaaaawwwaaaaaaa whine whine! Life is harsh and Eve even more so... Lets compromise, we give back the ewar bonus and trade it for a 5% per level rate-of-fire bonus for hybrids. How about that? Deal?
Ratnose Banker Pink Sockers 6	Posted - 2011.10.29 14:52:00 - [47] - Quote wolololol 4km/s a second with heat + loki bonus does it need web bonus? **** not
Nikodiemus Perkone Caldari State 3	Posted - 2011.10.29 14:59:00 - [48] - Quote One can buy monocle but not brains.
Nor Tzestu Wings of Strength 2	Posted - 2011.10.29 15:08:00 - [49] - Quote I am just glad to see a Gallente ship that might actually make people worry now. Talos is going to eat Canes en masse, and be a welcome addition to many gangs. Get used to it melting your winmatar ships.
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 71	Posted - 2011.10.29 15:14:00 - [50] - Quote why not add a role bonus so that the guns have lower sig resolution (from 400 to 300) and then replace the web strenght bonus for a tracking bonus like on the mega... that way both rails and blasters can take advantage of the ships bonus...

Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts 32	Posted - 2011.10.29 15:51:00 - [51] - Quote MeBiatch wrote: why not add a role bonus so that the guns have lower sig resolution (from 400 to 300) and then replace the web strenght bonus for a tracking bonus like on the mega... that way both rails and blasters can take advantage of the ships bonus... What are you trying to achieve here? Lowering the sig resolution = increasing the tracking speed.
Dorian Wylde Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 47	Posted - 2011.10.29 18:16:00 - [52] - Quote Handsome *** wrote: Terminal Insanity wrote: I was hoping there would be others who saw these bonuses as in need of tweaking. I really dont want to see the Rapier and Huginn get shoved aside for a gallente ship. I highly doubt a T1 gank BC is going to replace two T2 recons... Especially since people take those recons specifically for the range bonus, rather than strength.
Tanya Powers Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 76	Posted - 2011.10.29 18:22:00 - [53] - Quote Dorian Wylde wrote: Handsome *** wrote: Terminal Insanity wrote: I was hoping there would be others who saw these bonuses as in need of tweaking. I really dont want to see the Rapier and Huginn get shoved aside for a gallente ship. I highly doubt a T1 gank BC is going to replace two T2 recons... Especially since people take those recons specifically for the range bonus, rather than strength. Why do you even waste your time trying to explain that to nerds? Stupid rabbits are stupid


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