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Teserak Guynes
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Posted - 2006.01.04 00:08:00 -
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Is absolutely mind-blowing
Using the noise between two entangled states to send communication!? Good God in heaven... absolutely brilliant!
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Shinnen
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Posted - 2006.01.04 00:25:00 -
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Glad you're entertained
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Partisan Ograe
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Posted - 2006.01.04 00:29:00 -
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 I read that back in the day before even beta started. I think it was one of the biggest regions I firsted wante dtyo play EvE. Sounds silly I know but then again i was till quite young at the time.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.01.04 00:50:00 -
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Unfortunately its complete technobabble and totally impossible, but it sounds cool
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.01.04 01:08:00 -
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 Originally by: M3ta7h3ad
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Unfortunately its complete technobabble and totally impossible, but it sounds cool
Not really considering this is what Quantum encryption techniques are based on. Admittedly "noise between entangled states" sounds complete *******s, but its very close to the real deal.
Exactly. It is the real deal, but the "noise" crap is complete technobabble.
Quantum encryption doesn't use entanglement though, it uses polarized photons.
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M3ta7h3ad
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Posted - 2006.01.04 01:08:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Unfortunately its complete technobabble and totally impossible, but it sounds cool
Not really considering this is what Quantum encryption techniques are based on. Admittedly "noise between entangled states" sounds complete *******s, but its very close to the real deal.
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2006.01.04 01:13:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
it uses polarized photons.
So does Jean Luc Picard, i think...! 
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Filan
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Posted - 2006.01.04 01:22:00 -
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nothing in scifi is impossible, just improbable with current 21st century tech.
never know when NASA might build that Alpha Centuri Stargate.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.01.04 01:55:00 -
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Originally by: Filan
nothing in scifi is impossible, just improbable with current 21st century tech.
Sure there are things that are impossible. There are things called laws of physics. There are ways around them sometimes, but they cannot be broken.
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Ashis
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Posted - 2006.01.04 01:58:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Filan
nothing in scifi is impossible, just improbable with current 21st century tech.
Sure there are things that are impossible. There are things called laws of physics. There are ways around them sometimes, but they cannot be broken.
The laws of physics are unbreakable - yes.
Our conclusions based on our observations of these laws are not.
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Azuriel Talloth
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Posted - 2006.01.04 02:17:00 -
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I heard some of CCP's devs are science graduates or something. Which is why most of these futuristic concepts make sense. Rather than the usual MMO "it's magic!".
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Chucky
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Posted - 2006.01.04 02:32:00 -
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Edited by: Chucky on 04/01/2006 02:32:51
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Filan
nothing in scifi is impossible, just improbable with current 21st century tech.
Sure there are things that are impossible. There are things called laws of physics. There are ways around them sometimes, but they cannot be broken.
They said it was impossible go to the moon, split atoms, flying faster then the speed sound and computers needing more then 640k of RAM
The laws of physics can't explain why a bubble be can fly. Bottom line is we just haven't figured it out yet, the reason most things fail is because people fail to try new things
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Kylania
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Posted - 2006.01.04 02:41:00 -
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Originally by: Chucky
The laws of physics can't explain why a bumblebee can fly.
<Professor Fry>Good news everyone! Seems back in 2005 scientists finally proved how a bee could fly using a giant wing, digital photography and a large bottle of pistachio nuts! Sadly all that remains of the studies is this ancient "web page" and a small stain on my couch.</Professor Fry>
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.04 03:10:00 -
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Originally by: Chucky
The laws of physics can't explain why a bubble be can fly.
Apparently you edited that from "bumblebee" to "bubble"? Oh well, the answer is that bumblebees can fly, as the webpage explains, and bubbles don't fly at all. They float up and down because they are so light that they don't fall very fast and the tiniest air currents can push them around.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.01.04 03:14:00 -
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Originally by: Azuriel Talloth
I heard some of CCP's devs are science graduates or something. Which is why most of these futuristic concepts make sense. Rather than the usual MMO "it's magic!".
But it IS magic!..
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.04 03:16:00 -
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Magic is anything that we don't understand and can't explain.
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Frezik
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Posted - 2006.01.04 04:58:00 -
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Originally by: Azuriel Talloth
I heard some of CCP's devs are science graduates or something. Which is why most of these futuristic concepts make sense. Rather than the usual MMO "it's magic!".
Asimov had a Ph.D in physics, but often put things into his stories he knew was nonsense just to get the story going. The positronic brain for the Robot series, for instance, was put in because there had been some research going on in positrons, and he thought they sounded like just the futurisitic thing he needed for the story. The Foundation series features FTL drives and nuclear reactors the size of walnuts.
Every Science Fiction story is allowed a little bit of technology that is totally "out there" scientifically. A few try to keep to completely hard science, and they get some extra respect for it, but it's not a requirement.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.01.04 05:02:00 -
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I thought FTL communication is done via manipulating sub-space energy through a sub-space channel that links two points in space. 
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Frezik
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Posted - 2006.01.04 05:04:00 -
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The laws of physics can't explain why a bubble be can fly.
This was never the case. The equations showed that if a bummble bee kept their wings fixed like an airplane (no flapping), then they would not be able to generate enough lift to fly. It's rather obvious that bummble bees do flap their wings, so the equations were applied incorrectly.
Apparently, a professor used this in a lecture some time ago as a joke, in front of students who would know better and take it as a joke. Eventually, it got twisted into saying that the laws of physics prove that bummble bees can't fly, and passed around by people who didn't know better.
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Vult
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Posted - 2006.01.04 05:08:00 -
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For a more realistic... "approach" to interstellar travel, check out Discovery Channel's "Alien Planet." It's about a completely unmanned ship that travels around 6.5 light years at approximately 1/5 the speed of light to get to its destination planet... a planet that actually sustains life. Of course, since it's unmanned, it has to completely think for itself, along with the little probes and planetary explorers it brings along for the ride.
Its form of communication with Earth is a laser beam. Now, since a laser is essentially light, it is, of course, limited to the speed of light, which will take 6.5 years to reach Earth. That means no two-way communication, hence why the crafts must think for themselves.
Like I said... this is a realistic approach to an idea of how to communicate long distances since radio waves can't quite go the distance.
Oh, and IBTL since this is totally off topic.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.04 05:14:00 -
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"Alien Planet" rocked.
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flummox
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Posted - 2006.01.04 05:25:00 -
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Originally by: Ashis
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Filan
nothing in scifi is impossible, just improbable with current 21st century tech.
Sure there are things that are impossible. There are things called laws of physics. There are ways around them sometimes, but they cannot be broken.
The laws of physics are unbreakable - yes.
Our conclusions based on our observations of these laws are not.
unbreakable?? ha ha ha ha f'n ha... that is a very limited approach to science.
i'll probably get laughed at. but, truthfully, anyone who thinks that these 'laws', discovered by fallable humans, btw, are 'unbreakable' needs to update their imagination... and quickly. i'd like the human collective conscience to evolve during this lifetime, please. your type is holding us all back.
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2006.01.04 06:35:00 -
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WTF is OP about? I don't even understand what he means or talks about 
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Zezman
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Posted - 2006.01.04 06:46:00 -
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Originally by: Chucky
The laws of physics can't explain why a bubble be can fly.
He of course is referring to the Bumble bee. It's been deduced that the reason that they are able to lift themselves off the ground and fly thru the air is because they are generating aerodynamic vortexes with their wings upon which they float.
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Streetrip
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Posted - 2006.01.04 06:57:00 -
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Edited by: Streetrip on 04/01/2006 06:58:58
Well..The laws of physics are bendable.
Einstein- "Dude...you cant travel faster than the speed of light"
Wormholes- ..I.,
Its impossible to travel faster than the speed of light yet you can cross vast amounts of distances in space within seconds via use of a wormhole. Its not possible using that speed=distance/time triangle thing we learnt at school. Because considering the time it took you and the distance you covered...your speed is greater than speed of light.
The thing is, the laws of physics only apply in this universe as the laws of physics were created at the big bang. Before that, physicists dont know, neither do they care really since "physics" didn't even exist then.
So there you go FTL travel is acheivable. How warp drives work defeats me though. Probably something to do with creating a field which defies the laws of physics (which btw, is plausible). You just got to manipulate the universe.
FTL communication i believe is possible too without having to send a DVD at super speeds. Its actually been done already in real life here on Earth but only with REALLY small particles (electrons and the such) where a particle has been accelerated faster than the speed of light. Now all you need to do is skip a few milleniums, work out how to acheive a speed of speed of light about 50 fold with small particles, then all you need is one of those projectors. Bit of double sided tape minmatar style and have the emmiter, send out encoded particles (by then probably using quarks for this instead of our ancient electrons) at that FTL speed. Then set them at a code similar to binary :D Hey even morse code would work i think.
A receiver receives this pattern, unscrambles it. Voila, two way conference calling
Now the only problem is alignment of your emmiter. the receiver can be a spherical object to work out which angle signal is coming in from (or 3 because triangulation is just cool). In the [whatever century we're in] the computers are probably far beyond anything we have so it'll be able to calculate the gravitational forces en route, adjust to compensate and then some really futuristic gyros can allign the path precisely while the ship itself is already travelling FTL hehe.
voila FTL communications.
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PiniclePanda
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Posted - 2006.01.04 07:28:00 -
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Edited by: PiniclePanda on 04/01/2006 07:28:09
Originally by: flummox
Originally by: Ashis
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Filan
nothing in scifi is impossible, just improbable with current 21st century tech.
Sure there are things that are impossible. There are things called laws of physics. There are ways around them sometimes, but they cannot be broken.
The laws of physics are unbreakable - yes.
Our conclusions based on our observations of these laws are not.
unbreakable?? ha ha ha ha f'n ha... that is a very limited approach to science.
He's talking about the actuals laws of physics being unbreakable, not whatever most prominent scientific theories are currently being tossed around under the label of "laws" (which he labels "Our conclusions").
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Steven Dynahir
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Posted - 2006.01.04 08:15:00 -
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Bumbble bees can fly, really.
As to why, it has already been discovered. Their front wind section is flexible. When they move their wings backwards the front end collapses and stabilizes the vortex on top of their wings. This stable vortex of air creates additional lift by sucking the bumbble bee upwards.
On normal fixed wing aircraft (to which bumbble bees were incorrectly compared), this vortex breaks, causing a situation where uppermost air current breaks from the wing and causes stall.
And what comes to quantum tanglement, you can use it to communicate. Just take a tangle pair, and move them apart and break the other => instant communication (which doesn't break the law that information cannot be transferred faster than light, since, well, it isn't in this case).
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.01.04 08:21:00 -
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theres a reason it has the acronym as FOR THE LOSE you know
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2006.01.04 08:25:00 -
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hmmm less eve more RL
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Steven Dynahir
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Posted - 2006.01.04 08:28:00 -
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So there you go FTL travel is acheivable. How warp drives work defeats me though. Probably something to do with creating a field which defies the laws of physics (which btw, is plausible). You just got to manipulate the universe.
Only plausible idea of FLT travel I have heard is by "tunneling". It has been noted that electrons (and few other particles) can move faster than light.
This is archieved simply by the electron/particle not moving the whole distance, but instead tunneling to other place and continue movement from there.
So basically, electron/particle really moves at say 200km/s, but moves only 1/3 of the real distance and therefore goes faster than light.
How it does that, I do not know.. But Einsteins wormhole theyry might be thing to study for this case.
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