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Laurici The Priesthood The 0rphanage 0	Posted - 2011.10.31 19:33:00 - [31] - Quote You should definitely start a thread in the Crime and Punishment forum, they are really helpful in there about these kinds of things
Alyssa Yotosala School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 7	Posted - 2011.10.31 19:55:00 - [32] - Quote OP, you base your post on an incorrect assumption. Other players who salvage wrecks that you generate are not thieves. CCP has stated time and time again, that salvaging is not stealing, because you do not own the salvage. You only own the loot. There is no need to 'pay back' the 'thief', as there is no thief. If they stole your loot, they would be red to you ( though you would be a fool to agress them, as you would get all blowed up )
Jak'rat Lion Investments 1	Posted - 2011.10.31 20:42:00 - [33] - Quote a Mission Runner complaining about salvagers wrote: It's the inflated sense of entitlement that pisses me off. Cant... stop.... laughing...
JackStraw56 Bayesian Motion Knights of Tomorrow 17	Posted - 2011.10.31 20:47:00 - [34] - Quote Cryissa wrote: I shoot my wreck at times. Your saying don't? Why not? If I don't want them to have it and can't stop them I do shoot them sometimes. Well most of the time. Most of the time the ninja does not want the isk from your wrecks. They want to **** you off and hopefully kill you. Shooting the wrecks lets them know that they've pissed you off and makes them want to do it even more.
Cunane Jeran 22	Posted - 2011.11.01 01:47:00 - [35] - Quote Mission away from the busy spots, and you'll never have a problem. Currently running lv4's from a nice 0.5 never more than 6-10 people in local. If they do come in, just ignore them and write it off as a loss.
Orlacc Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 34	Posted - 2011.11.01 05:06:00 - [36] - Quote You used to be able to have fun with the third part of the Recon mission when the salvagers would drop in.
Aggressive Nutmeg 15	Posted - 2011.11.01 06:04:00 - [37] - Quote Premise: This game is a competition. You are competing with other players for resources. Is it wise to leave resources (in this case wrecks) lying around for your competitors to benefit from? Is it wise (in hisec at least) to bother hoovering up your own wrecks, since it would probably be more profitable to start your next mission? Therefore, is blowing up your wrecks as you go not a logical course of action (in many missions at least)? I keep hearing this game is about 'tears'. Are there not tears to be extracted from mission invaders as they arrive a second too late to each and every wreck that you've just popped? Nothing further, Your Honour.
Desudes Pixelmoon The Star League 8	Posted - 2011.11.01 06:30:00 - [38] - Quote Alyssa Yotosala wrote: OP, you base your post on an incorrect assumption. Other players who salvage wrecks that you generate are not thieves. CCP has stated time and time again, that salvaging is not stealing, because you do not own the salvage. You only own the loot. There is no need to 'pay back' the 'thief', as there is no thief. If they stole your loot, they would be red to you ( though you would be a fool to agress them, as you would get all blowed up ) By the legal rules of the game it may not be stealing but anyone with any sense of fair play agrees it is outright theft. CCP can say whatever they want. The only difference between taking salvage and taking loot is one flags you and the other doesn't. Unless I'm feeling lazy and happen to be near a BS rat or named rat wreck, I always do both or none. No one comes for my salvage due to flying an Ishtar armor tanked (small sig radius) in missions, otherwise I'd have a minmatar gank account. Gank cyclone or something, DPS in missions until some **** came along and salvaged without asking. I'd let anyone that asked have it unless they were an older character, in which case I'd ask why the heck he can't run his own L4s. Hell, I even advertised in Dodixie when I missioned there and left all my salvage: no one took me up on it as they wanted people to get upset about it lol. Excuse me, but what the fck are you desu?*
Ometoch Nothing Useful 0	Posted - 2011.11.01 08:31:00 - [39] - Quote Well, you have few options here. This is no different than the rules of salvage in the real world. In international waters, salvage can be claimed by anyone. Same in EvE. If you are wondering what they want... it's simple. your tears. Sweet delicious tears, as the Suddenly Ninjas guys would say. They aren't sociopaths, they are simply playing this game they way they want to. Getting aggro about it is what they want, and it does make for some very funny local/private chat logs. If you want some education about this whole ninja salvaging/looting thing, check out C7P forum here, or www.mylootyourtears.com Honestly, I have yet to have them take my salvage, but again, remember, there are many forms of PvP in EvE. It is a sandbox, and just because someone else doesn't play the way you do doesn't mean either of you are wrong. I always have my alt behind me to salvage when I am missioning, or a corpie that is the salvage monkey for that run. we usually switch off. tl;dr: Accept that missioning, especially lvl 4 missions will sometimes get ninja looters. Deal with it however you see fit, but I can tell you that getting pissed is exactly what they want.
Joshke Epsilon Inc STORM. 1	Posted - 2011.11.01 09:24:00 - [40] - Quote The best way is to ignore loot and salvaging at all - it is 1) boring , 2) it takes your time and 3) it brings not at all so much. Better, do more missions instead of swapping to your salvage ship, warping here and there, salvaging (omg, how it is boring!) carrieng all these scram to your trade hub.... - you simply earn 10x more on bounty and LP if you do another couple missions during this time. P.S. Bad tip is to ignore ninjas. Just imagine what a pain would be, if a ninja take your mission's loot.

Ometoch Nothing Useful 0	Posted - 2011.11.01 10:25:00 - [41] - Quote Joshke wrote: P.S. Bad tip is to ignore ninjas. Just imagine what a pain would be, if a ninja take your mission's loot. True, getting your mission item ganked is bad... however, if you do a bit of research on eve-survival (you should be anyways), you'll know what structure, ship, etc drops what, and make sure to grab it right after it pops. Either with your missioner or your salvage monkey. Joshke wrote: The best way is to ignore loot and salvaging at all - it is 1) boring , 2) it takes your time and 3) it brings not at all so much. Better, do more missions instead of swapping to your salvage ship, warping here and there, salvaging (omg, how it is boring!) carrieng all these scram to your trade hub.... - you simply earn 10x more on bounty and LP if you do another couple missions during this time. I disagree with you here. Boring is your opinion. everything takes time, and the amount of cash you can gain from salvage can be substantial, especially if you know what sells well, and watch the market. I usually throw all of my salvage into the copr hangar, and go through it once a week. Again, if you are missioning a lot, it will add up, and since you are already there, and looting, and mostlikely either planning on salvaging yourself or have a salvage monkey, then makes no sense to leave it. But again, just like your post, this is my opinion. YMMV
Glarrion Enterprise Industries Corp 0	Posted - 2011.11.01 10:38:00 - [42] - Quote yup salvage on some mission is substantial - especialy dog tags - yesterday i run 2 sets vs gallente to get tags for about 230 mil .... made some CN launchers and bcs and contracted for a ~430 mil .... only 4 hrs of play
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 1114	Posted - 2011.11.02 09:43:00 - [43] - Quote Glarrion wrote: yup salvage on some mission is substantial - especialy dog tags Dog tags are not salvage. Aggressive Nutmeg wrote: Premise: This game is a competition. You are competing with other players for resources. Is it wise to leave resources (in this case wrecks) lying around for your competitors to benefit from? Yes, because while he's occupied with low-value space scrap, you can keep making piles upon piles of cache. Stopping to care about what the garbage man does (to say nothing about wasting resources on him) only reduces the size of those piles. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á
Solomar Espersei Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service 107	Posted - 2011.11.02 13:39:00 - [44] - Quote You do realize that we get a huge kick out of these threads, right? I find it fascinating that the sandbox allows such diverse approaches to the game, and then, in this little arena, those philosophy collide with humorous results. Most, ok maybe not most, but many mission runners are really tied up with the concept of becoming space rich. They run missions to see those big ISKies tick and rake in the cash with very, very little risk. Ninjas on the other hand, or at least in my experience, are usually very laid back sorts of fellows who delight in trickery, goofy scams, and watching the other guy explode. We require paltry sums of ISK most of which falls right into our laps and every now and then, we'll shoot some wayward individual who will drop faction and deadspace mods like a Boss. But to the OP, look, CCP gave you the big "I WIN" button with the Noctis. It is absolutely absurd at how well it Hoovers a room so, the advantage is definitely on your side. Other than that, you do realize we are Corp Red when we're in your mission. Surely to God there's someone in your corp who is willing to come shoot us. If not, well, GTFO and find a real corp. Recruiting is OPEN Please join our public channel The Ninja Dojo for more info
OllieNorth R-K Industries Sexy Alliance 7	Posted - 2011.11.02 14:52:00 - [45] - Quote The only thing more hilariously self-righteous than the Bear screaming "OMG THEY STEALED MY SALVAGE!!!1!!" is the Ninja Salvager repeating "Not stealing, if it was we would get flagged, we heart yore tearz!" I agree with many of the people in here, don't run missions in Dodixie, and you will rarely if ever see a ninja salvager. If you do see them, just ignore them, maybe even just say hey and crack a joke.
Mythradites ExoGeni Incorporated WUT ALLIANCE 0	Posted - 2011.11.02 18:42:00 - [46] - Quote If my alt doesn't salvage I use a corporation mate. If no one is up to the task then I just leave it. Ignoring them typically makes them go away. But usually I'm done and on a different mission and salvaging before They find me again.
Pamela Podpopper University of Caille Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2011.11.02 19:02:00 - [47] - Quote Kitty McKitty wrote: The best option is to just leave them to have it and clear the mission and go to the next one. If it persists in your area then consider moving if you really want the salvage. It's not actually YOURS by right, otherwise they would be flagged to you. If they take the loot then you can shoot them but its not recommended since they often are hoping for this and will use cheap tricks like orca hotswaps to change into a ship to kill your mission running ship which will die horribly to a PVP fit. At the end of the day it's not worth worrying about and the smart option is to finish the mission and move on. Alternatively, sometimes 'blueing' your nearby wrecks will show them you dont care and they might move on when they realise they cant goad you into shooting them. On no accounts speak to them in local as even simply saying 'lol binman' or something will count as 'sweet tears' to these plebs. you are terrible and need to immediately stop typing
Jennifer Starling Imperial Navy Forum Patrol 207	Posted - 2011.11.02 19:10:00 - [48] - Quote I wish someone would ninja salvage or even loot my missions! Sometimes I feel sorry for all the waste I leave behind as I hardly ever salvage or loot. To get back to my mission agent system, fly back to the mission, get between all the wrecks through all the rooms is a bit too boring after doing it so many times already. That said, they can ninja salvage your wrecks but not loot them, e.g. not take tags and stuff without permitting you to shoot them without being concorded. If they start flashing red, they steal your loot and don't just salvage your wrecks. But often that's exactly what they want and they have backup standing by to gank you. Which you'll like even less. If it annoys you, just ignore them. No idea why it happens to you so frequently as I don't even have one ninja a month in my misions.
Pamela Podpopper University of Caille Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2011.11.02 19:13:00 - [49] - Quote Solomar Espersei wrote: You do realize that we get a huge kick out of these threads, right? I find it fascinating that the sandbox allows such diverse approaches to the game, and then, in this little arena, those philosophy collide with humorous results. Most, ok maybe not most, but many mission runners are really tied up with the concept of becoming space rich. They run missions to see those big ISKies tick and rake in the cash with very, very little risk. Ninjas on the other hand, or at least in my experience, are usually very laid back sorts of fellows who delight in trickery, goofy scams, and watching the other guy explode. We require paltry sums of ISK most of which falls right into our laps and every now and then, we'll shoot some wayward individual who will drop faction and deadspace mods like a Boss. But to the OP, look, CCP gave you the big "I WIN" button with the Noctis. It is absolutely absurd at how well it Hoovers a room so, the advantage is definitely on your side. Other than that, you do realize we are Corp Red when we're in your mission. Surely to God there's someone in your corp who is willing to come shoot us. If not, well, GTFO and find a real corp. Solo: sitting under the noctis with your cargohold open mashing ctrl-A dragging their loot to your hold trumps the reach of the Noctii It also causes juicy tearz too Sugar Diick taught me that one
Nerath Naaris Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy 8	Posted - 2011.11.02 22:47:00 - [50] - Quote I recently had my very first ninja salvager after more than a year of playing (near Dodixie). I actually found that quite neighbourly and a welcome change from the usual bore, what I didn-¦t get, however, was why someone actually bothers with a L3 mission, he must have known that a Myrm is a battlecruiser.... Unbanned since 2011.10.20.

Solomar Espersei Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service 108	Posted - 2011.11.03 00:22:00 - [51] - Quote Pamela Podpopper wrote: Solo: sitting under the noctis with your cargohold open mashing ctrl-A dragging their loot to your hold trumps the reach of the Noctii It also causes juicy tearz too Sugar Diick taught me that one LOL. Yes it does to some degree, but the Noctis if fit properly will out-salvage even a seasoned ninja such as I. The larger point my Dear is that the speed of the Noctis in the hands of a properly skilled Alt means that missions get salvaged at a far greater speed than back in the days of the Salvage Catalyst or Salvage Cane. Thus, the window for ninja looting and or salvaging is far slimmer. Even if you don't agree with this point, you must concede the point that the Noctis is probably the end game for Mission Runners who wish to compete with us for the loot and salvage. Recruiting is OPEN Please join our public channel The Ninja Dojo for more info
Mr Kidd Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 131	Posted - 2011.11.03 04:37:00 - [52] - Quote Pamela Podpopper wrote: Solo: sitting under the noctis with your cargohold open mashing ctrl-A dragging their loot to your hold trumps the reach of the Noctii It also causes juicy tearz too Sugar Diick taught me that one I called this maneuver the tear generator. When I used to ninja you could feel the morale in the room plummet as you sat there on top of his salvager salvaging and loot his wrecks faster than he could. It was quite effective to get the missioner to just move on and leave all the loot and salvage to you. ;) We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX!
Chi Ftele School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 1	Posted - 2011.11.03 21:15:00 - [53] - Quote don't mission in or near the most crowded systems, a couple of units of agent quality is not going to make a great deal of difference That is all.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 1164	Posted - 2011.11.03 21:29:00 - [54] - Quote Pamela Podpopper wrote: Solo: sitting under the noctis with your cargohold open mashing ctrl-A dragging their loot to your hold trumps the reach of the Noctii Its plural is noctium, by the wayGÇª GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á
Kain Bodom Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2011.11.04 19:14:00 - [55] - Quote 100 million isk made this week. :) about 10 mill an hour give or take. For frig work nothing pays more... that I know of. And for the record I leave when I see a Noctis.
Princess Bride Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium 3	Posted - 2011.11.04 21:13:00 - [56] - Quote Ninja salvage is how I made my first "real" ISK in Eve. It was my primary income stream for quite a few weeks. You asked why you should not shoot your own wrecks. Because doing so puts your own spite in front of what should be the real goal of any mission runner: To make ISK. Stop wasting your time. There are two ways to do missions. Blitz or loot. If you see a ninja salvager show up, just call that one a blitz, abandon the wrecks, and move on to the next mission. By doing that you'll either make a new player very happy or you'll really tick off someone trying to bait you into attacking or hoping for tears. Either one is good, right? If you screw around trying to beat them (without a skilled Noctis pilot), you will either get your shiny mission ship blown to bits or just waste your own time and increase your own frustration. If you shoot them out of the sky and nothing happens...congrats on blowing up a new Eve player trying to make a little ISK off your table scraps. Have a cookie. If you shoot them and they show back up in a pvp fit ship, make no mistake, your ship is forfeit.
Substantia Nigra NFI industrial Revival Of The Talocan Empire 155	Posted - 2011.11.05 00:00:00 - [57] - Quote Like Princess ninja-salvage was my first decent income source in eve, before I fell in with a group of dedicated mission runners who gave me all their lvl4 mission sites after they'd blitzed. I agree with Princess that wreck shooting is a waste of effort / time, and it's not a good thing to do. Firstly you show them you care, and if their actual goal is to gank you then you've encouraged them to hang around a while longer and keep trying. Secondly you are using your ammo and time to destroy something of relatively low value just so they can't access it. That seems to be a bit of cutting-off-your-nose-to-spite-your-face to me, and leads to a (small) reduction in your income. It's an interesting thread, but I will stick to my original advice of 'just completely ignore them'. We can build and sell pretty much every ship. Check my bio for details. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread
Desudes Federal Defence Union Gallente Federation 12	Posted - 2011.11.05 00:31:00 - [58] - Quote To sum up this thread and answer the original question (go down the list in order presented as you fail/can't do the step): 1) find a less populated home 2) noctis alt/friend (if you have no friends or alts you can try to get him to salvage and split with you) 3) remind the ninja that this is EVE: gank that ************ (use the noctis guy's combat ship so you can keep missioning) 4) write it up as a loss and tip your hat to what is hopefully a noob in need. I'd suggest convoing the guy and if he is just an asshat rethink how you can accomplish step 3. I didn't put in shooting the cans because that is going to make you lose in every way. My list is best outcome to worst outcome, losing as little as possible. Oh, for the people saying "this is how I made money when I was a wee-baby-capsuleer so take pity on them"- you to can work your way up the ladder by missioning like the guy you're leaching off of probably did. Excuse me, but what the fck are you desu?*
Solomar Espersei Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service 109	Posted - 2011.11.05 18:07:00 - [59] - Quote Desudes wrote: Oh, for the people saying "this is how I made money when I was a wee-baby-capsuleer so take pity on them"- you to can work your way up the ladder by missioning like the guy you're leaching off of probably did. Speaking for REAL ninjas everywhere, we want you to shoot those little wee-baby buggers rather than "take pity on them". They need to get comfortable with being shot at and blowing up. Part of the gig and as we say in TEARS "HTFU young ninja". And look, there are just some players who don't like the "grinding nature" of mission-running and would rather find other ways of having fun in EVE. The sandbox allows us to compete with other players for resources and the sooner those who are being "leached" realize they have adversaries and competitors, why, the better off they'll be as well. Here's the facts: Where coming for your stuff and we mean to take it. All of it. If you make it easy on us, that's on you pal. We're also coming fot those sweet, sweet shiny modules on your mission boat so by all means, please shoot at our throwaway frigates. Or don't, in another month, those Faction and Deadspace mods may not be safe no matter where you fly. Recruiting is OPEN Please join our public channel The Ninja Dojo for more info
Desudes Federal Defence Union Gallente Federation 14	Posted - 2011.11.05 20:06:00 - [60] - Quote Solomar Espersei wrote: We're also coming fot those sweet, sweet shiny modules on your mission boat so by all means, please shoot at our throwaway frigates. Desudes wrote: 3) remind the ninja that this is EVE: gank that ********** (use the noctis guy's combat ship so you can keep missioning)** Yeah, you take those meta 4s from my alts t1 fit Hurricane. I'm shaking in my e-boots from your e-toughness. Excuse me, but what the fck are you desu?*



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