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Cryissa Caldari Navy Operations 0	Posted - 2011.10.29 08:26:00 - [1] - Quote It's been spoken about but I think many times. I did a search but couldn't get to what I wanted quicker enough plus it might be out of date. How do I pay back the salvage thief? I am currently doing a level 4 and would normally leave all the loot till the end and go back and clear in a quicker ship. It's Angel Extravaganza so the loot is quite good with the tags they drop as well. Im fed up with these small, normally non corp ships that come in and steal my wreks. I know if I just shoot him he will die but then I have the local police on me but am I right in thinking if he is part of a gang this could be just bait for his buddies as well? Please help me I am pulling out my hair here!
Insong Whang Buccaneers of New Eden The Forsaken. 0	Posted - 2011.10.29 09:20:00 - [2] - Quote Cryissa wrote: How do I pay back the salvage thief? Right click on character portrait, give money. But seriously, there's no good way to pay 'em back, just ignore them and carry on.
Substantia Nigra NFI industrial Revival Of The Talocan Empire 89	Posted - 2011.10.29 09:23:00 - [3] - Quote absolutely agree with Insong. Just completely ignore them. Don't shoot them, don't shoot your wrecks, don't warp out, don't convo or bleat in local. Just continue with your mission as if they weren't there. Also don't take anything from any (yellow) jet-cans they drop. That will also invite them to shoot you without CONCORD intervening. We can build and sell pretty much every ship. Check my bio for details. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread
Cryissa Caldari Navy Operations 0	Posted - 2011.10.29 09:25:00 - [4] - Quote I shoot my wreck at times. Your saying don't? Why not? If I don't want them to have it and can't stop them I do shoot them sometimes. Well most of the time.
Hershman G-Weezy 35	Posted - 2011.10.29 09:48:00 - [5] - Quote Ninja salvaging is a way for newer players to get a slice at some good start up money. Sometimes they are saving up for their own mission crushing battleship. A niche of pirates will do it for fun every so often. That's how it goes. The answer is to ignore them, or send them a fleet invite and give them your wrecks out of good will.
Siri Irme Peyrol's Resources Incorporated 0	Posted - 2011.10.29 10:25:00 - [6] - Quote Don't mission in a popular high sec hub.
xVx dreadnaught Rodents of Unusual Size 7	Posted - 2011.10.29 10:43:00 - [7] - Quote Cryissa wrote: I shoot my wreck at times. Your saying don't? Why not? If I don't want them to have it and can't stop them I do shoot them sometimes. Well most of the time. A lot of the times the salvager doesn't care about individual marks that he is leeching off of. It would be much smarter to bring along an alt, in a noctis, while you're moving into one room have the nocits moving in one pocket behind. hoover them all up as quickly as you can. Chances are if a leeching salvager spots a noctis in the pocket they won't waist their time.
Carlos Aceveda Ares Inc. 0	Posted - 2011.10.29 12:08:00 - [8] - Quote Basically the game mechanic is, that you down own wrecks per se. As dread says, get a second account and a noctis as your "counter". Some would say thats "pay to win" (13 extra bucks for another account each month).
Tanya Powers Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 70	Posted - 2011.10.29 13:28:00 - [9] - Quote Cryissa wrote: It's been spoken about but I think many times. I did a search but couldn't get to what I wanted quicker enough plus it might be out of date. How do I pay back the salvage thief? I am currently doing a level 4 and would normally leave all the loot till the end and go back and clear in a quicker ship. It's Angel Extravaganza so the loot is quite good with the tags they drop as well. Im fed up with these small, normally non corp ships that come in and steal my wreks. I know if I just shoot him he will die but then I have the local police on me but am I right in thinking if he is part of a gang this could be just bait for his buddies as well? Please help me I am pulling out my hair here! They're not there for your salvage or your crap loot, they're there ONLY to get your aggression and get your ship KM, nothing more nothing less. You can also: Let it come, engage discussion and encourage him to clean up your mess, thank him with 1isk reward Let him feel at "home" and do the mistake of get too close to the next frigs/scrams/webs pop, kill the trigger, watch him die and have lol irl Just ignore him, your LP's worth more than the crap loot or salvage he's stealing you, once he'll get tired of you ignoring him he'll just go away bother some one else. Sure some are like dog sh+»t on your shoes and can stay there for hours, it's their way of living but once they understand you don't give a **** about them they go away You just need to understand THEY DON'T CARE OF YOUR CRAP, THEY WANT YOUR SHIP KM and feed epeen fake kb's with fake km's
Cryissa Caldari Navy Operations 0	Posted - 2011.10.29 14:32:00 - [10] - Quote Thanks for all your replies. Ive never shot one of these guys yet or fallen for the trick your all telling me about. I am not a bad person really if you want to help out I am open to people being nice and talking and asking. But your right I suppose most are out to upset me enough for me to shoot them. I was in a bad mood this morning so this didnt help. Im calm now

TrollFace TrololMcFluf Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 14	Posted - 2011.10.29 15:33:00 - [11] - Quote As the wrecks dont belong to you its not stealing the salvage is a free for all and its your problem if you dont get i in time. On the other hand the cargo of the wreck dose belong to you and thus if they take it you are free to shoot them
TrollFace TrololMcFluf Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 14	Posted - 2011.10.29 15:36:00 - [12] - Quote You just need to understand THEY DON'T CARE OF YOUR CRAP, THEY WANT YOUR SHIP KM and feed epeen fake kb's with fake km's Last time i checked a kill was a kill was a kill it must take a very narrow minded wannabe pvper (i wont call you a pirate you clearly aint) to think like this so as they dont play within your mind frame they are fakes +1 eve parasite detected
Kitty McKitty In Praise Of Shadows 539	Posted - 2011.10.29 17:12:00 - [13] - Quote The best option is to just leave them to have it and clear the mission and go to the next one. If it persists in your area then consider moving if you really want the salvage. It's not actually YOURS by right, otherwise they would be flagged to you. If they take the loot then you can shoot them but its not recommended since they often are hoping for this and will use cheap tricks like orca hotswaps to change into a ship to kill your mission running ship which will die horribly to a PVP fit. At the end of the day it's not worth worrying about and the smart option is to finish the mission and move on. Alternatively, sometimes 'blueing' your nearby wrecks will show them you dont care and they might move on when they realise they cant goad you into shooting them. On no accounts speak to them in local as even simply saying 'lol binman' or something will count as 'sweet tears' to these plebs. GÖÑ Haviing your portrait painted here helps INTAKI Disabled Children GÖÑ
Whiteknight03 WESAYSO Industries 13	Posted - 2011.10.29 18:21:00 - [14] - Quote It's not theft, salvage isn't yours to begin with. Best way, bring a newbie from your corp along, split the salvage. Good cash for the newbie, and you do less bitching on the forums. Everyone is happy.
Kesshisan 53	Posted - 2011.10.29 18:50:00 - [15] - Quote Right click, abandon all nearby wrecks. Right click, pilot, convo pilot. "Hey, if I'll throw you bookmarks and abandon everything for you will you throw me a cut of the profits?" Saves the pilot scanning people down, and makes you as close to free isk as it gets on EvE. If he's only after your KM, he'll leave since he knows you're not going to aggress hm. If he's after your wrecks, he'd probably enjoy having someone throw him a bookmark for their missions. .
Psychophantic 83	Posted - 2011.10.29 20:53:00 - [16] - Quote Cryissa wrote: I shoot my wreck at times. Your saying don't? Why not? If I don't want them to have it and can't stop them I do shoot them sometimes. Well most of the time. Because he's most likely a sociopath, only there to upset you. You think he's doing it for the millions of isk he's making from looting your leftovers? By shooting your wrecks or trying to reason with him you're showing him that he's bothering you, leave it alone and he'll go back to pulling the wings off flies.
Desudes Pixelmoon The Star League 8	Posted - 2011.10.29 21:11:00 - [17] - Quote Train alt account up through minmatar BS 4, large projectiles 4. Salvager warps in: warp in a size appropriate gank ship and pop him. Dodixie is the only place I've been ninja-salvaged, not a problem since moving out of there. Excuse me, but what the fck are you desu?*
People's Republic ofChina My Other Capital Ship is Your Mom 5	Posted - 2011.10.29 21:26:00 - [18] - Quote Psychophantic wrote: Cryissa wrote: I shoot my wreck at times. Your saying don't? Why not? If I don't want them to have it and can't stop them I do shoot them sometimes. Well most of the time. Because he's most likely a sociopath While lack of empathy for the suffering of others is a single symptom of the Sociopath lack of empathy in EVE does not a Sociopath make. Causing suffering (annoyance, anger, rage) in EVE where you know exactly what the effect is of your actions (the destruction of their ship and any modules on the ship, perhaps their pod and implants) and the fact that they are part of the game does not make you apathetic to real human suffering. The problem is people who connect self-worth with in-game wealth and therefore connect their suffering with the destruction of in-game items. If it goes beyond anger and annoyance when you lose something in-game you are too attached to the game. You may think that I shouldn't judge someone for getting attached to in-game items but it's the same other way around. Both enjoying the unhappiness of someone else and getting attached to in-game items are a sign of unhealthy behaviour, I'd prefer to take the unhealthy behaviour that is entertaining rather than the one that allows someone else to gain entertainment from me.
Karak Bol Cable Innovations Shadow of xXDEATHXx 2	Posted - 2011.10.29 21:30:00 - [19] - Quote I am a Salvager myself. For business, not for griefing. First I want to correct you, that the only person, that could be labeled a salvage thief is someone stealing it from either your cargo hold, you hangar or maybe a jetcan with your name. Second, if you do not want to train an alt for noctis use (which in no way hinders a proper salvager getting to the wracks you leave), you should hire a professional salvager (forgot the corp name, they are advertising here on this board somewhere). They will follow you in a noctis, get the loot and the salvage and pay you a good percentage. You make more money this way, as you can run more missions in the same time. Finally, yes, their are those "Ninja"-Salvagers making a bad name for a whole occupation. If you ask me: Shoot them, let them come with their PvP Ship, shoot them again, laugh about their name and salvage their wrecks just for the lolz. Then go and create something useful as a nice flower from the frozen corpse.
Jak'rat Lion Investments 1	Posted - 2011.10.29 23:58:00 - [20] - Quote Tanya Powers wrote: They're not there for your salvage or your crap loot, they're there ONLY to get your aggression and get your ship KM, nothing more nothing less. Wrong. Plenty of us really are there for the good salvage (Angels or Sansha), for the good loot (Mercs or Generics), and for the sheer fun of ghosting around somebody who truly believes they are alone, and stealing from under their nose without them even realising we're there. And if they shoot me for it and I explode, hey that's the risk of getting caught with your hand in the cookie jar. Want to avoid visitors? Do a little research, don't mission in idiot hubs, don't fly a ship with the sig radius of a small continent - do get an alt, or preferably a corpie or rookie to do the tidying up for you. And there's NOTHING funnier than getting the lion's share of goodies when up against a Noctis flown by a numpty :)

Aqriue Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 19	Posted - 2011.10.30 00:48:00 - [21] - Quote I pop wrecks all the time, but also checking Dscan gives me a heads up that company is comming. I do it to get them to fly around my deadspace, they think it bothers me but its more of a mini-game. I get LP, Salvage, Loot, and bounty, sometimes I can't have all of it but even destroying wrecks I still get half the rewards. Quote: As the wrecks dont belong to you its not stealing the salvage is a free for all and its your problem if you dont get i in time. Wrecks do belong to you, the salvage generated out of nothing does not belong to me until its in your cargohold and the wreck is consumed via the activation of a salvager. Can say otherwise, but if it has my portrait on it, its yellow to you, you cannot steal from it without gaining agression (so if the wreck container wasn't mine, TEARS has been doing it wrong for years), you cannot tractor it or shoot it without CONCORD retailiation, only I can blue it to make the entire deadspace open loot rights. Basicly I can determine if I want to give it to you, tractor it, or pop it. What I cannot do is prevent you from activating a salvager and gaining salvage which doesn't exist unless its in your cargo hold, but I can prevent you from trying to get the salvage by destroying it. What I wouldn't give for a right click --> destroy all wreck options in a fireworks display to save me the hassle of targeting every wreck (and I use Dscan often, most the wrecks are usually destroyed before they get into mission and finish off the remaining wrecks when about to complete the mission so rarely do they get anything)
Nikolai Vodkov Pro Synergy 0	Posted - 2011.10.30 08:34:00 - [22] - Quote You need to be aware that there are two types of "thieves" that will show up in your mission. A) Some poor noob that heard that ninja is a great way to make ISK instead of mining veldspar in a bantam. They come to your mission and only salvage the wrecks, then go on their merry way. B) People who actually don't care about the loot or salvage, but are there to steal from your wrecks hoping you would shoot them. When you do that, they will come back in a pvp ship and destroy you. To be honest, I don't know why you're so mad about people taking your salvage. Yes, it's messed up and nobody likes uninvited guests but at the end of the day it's actually NOT worth looting/salvaging your own missions, so you might as well team up with them as it's been suggested and let them loot and split. ALTERNATIVELY, if you got some annoying Ninja's send them our way. We'll turn them into honest and outstanding citizens of New Eden that missions runners LOVE. We've been called the "Ninja Rehab" before Run level 4 missions? Double your profits!Let us loot your missions and give you 45% of it's value.Join channel: "Pro Synergy" to find out more.
Hershman G-Weezy 40	Posted - 2011.10.30 09:53:00 - [23] - Quote This thread makes me want to take up ninja salvaging as a hobby
Jak'rat Lion Investments 1	Posted - 2011.10.30 21:55:00 - [24] - Quote Nikolai Vodkov wrote: You need to be aware that there are two types of "thieves" that will show up in your mission. A) Some poor noob that heard that ninja is a great way to make ISK instead of mining veldspar in a bantam. They come to your mission and only salvage the wrecks, then go on their merry way. B) People who actually don't care about the loot or salvage, but are there to steal from your wrecks hoping you would shoot them. When you do that, they will come back in a pvp ship and destroy you. C) Some self-important businessman who has conned you into turning the wrecks blue or inviting them to your fleet and taxing you 55% for the privelige... Seriously mate. If you'd just said "most thieves" I'd have left it, but you and too many other people are hell bent on painting yourselves as experts on why other people do stuff, and deciding which little box we all fit in - without any clue what you're talking about. I don't need the cash, I don't want the killmails. But I'll keep on popping in and out of other people's missions whenever I please. Stick that in your pop-psychology pipe and smoke it....
Nikolai Vodkov Pro Synergy 1	Posted - 2011.10.31 05:47:00 - [25] - Quote Jak'rat wrote: Nikolai Vodkov wrote: You need to be aware that there are two types of "thieves" that will show up in your mission. A) Some poor noob that heard that ninja is a great way to make ISK instead of mining veldspar in a bantam. They come to your mission and only salvage the wrecks, then go on their merry way. B) People who actually don't care about the loot or salvage, but are there to steal from your wrecks hoping you would shoot them. When you do that, they will come back in a pvp ship and destroy you. C) Some self-important businessman who has conned you into turning the wrecks blue or inviting them to your fleet and taxing you 55% for the privelige... Seriously mate. If you'd just said "most thieves" I'd have left it, but you and too many other people are hell bent on painting yourselves as experts on why other people do stuff, and deciding which little box we all fit in - without any clue what you're talking about. I don't need the cash, I don't want the killmails. But I'll keep on popping in and out of other people's missions whenever I please. Stick that in your pop-psychology pipe and smoke it.... Hey man, no need to make random unbased accusations. We loot for missioners who would just leave their wrecks there to rot and lag in space, and we pay them 45% for it, and at the same time provide a great way for new players to make decent ISK w/o stepping on anyone's toes. On the other note, yes there are many different sorts of people that do things for many different reasons, but I have just pointed out the two most common ones, at least from my personal experience and of those around me. Run level 4 missions? Double your profits!Let us loot your missions and give you 45% of it's value.Join channel: "Pro Synergy" to find out more.
Jak'rat Lion Investments 1	Posted - 2011.10.31 10:38:00 - [26] - Quote Nikolai Vodkov wrote: Hey man, no need to make random unbased accusations. Such as saying that all salvage thieves are either "poor noobs" or only there for PvP, for example... (By the way, in that list that you started and that I was using to make a point about perspective, there's also a D), an E), an F), and the rest of the damn alphabet.)
Tanya Powers Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 84	Posted - 2011.10.31 10:48:00 - [27] - Quote TrollFace TrololMcFluf wrote: You just need to understand THEY DON'T CARE OF YOUR CRAP, THEY WANT YOUR SHIP KM and feed epeen fake kb's with fake km's Last time i checked a kill was a kill was a kill it must take a very narrow minded wannabe pvper (i wont call you a pirate you clearly aint) to think like this so as they dont play within your mind frame they are fakes +1 eve parasite detected High sec fake piwate pussie detected. yearrrrrr
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 1077	Posted - 2011.10.31 14:12:00 - [28] - Quote Step 1: Realise that they are not thieves. They are competitors, and you need to deal with them as such. You can either fit your ship to compete better, or you can forfeit the match and give them the winnings. Or, go for the sour-grapes method and make sure you both lose. Step 2: Realise that salvage is not loot and vice versa. Those who are interested in actually stealing from you GÇö i.e. take loot that you own GÇö often have the ulterior motive of getting into a fight. It's usually a bad idea to grant them this wish. GÇªand that's really all there is to it. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á
Spineker Caldari State 31	Posted - 2011.10.31 18:07:00 - [29] - Quote I blow it all up and laugh for them wasting their time scanning down my low sig ship. Reverse griefing and can be fun when bored. 6 launchers 3.6 second rate of fire and 2 3 second lock time can waste an entire room before they get more then one or so. Or the best one is Pirate invasion Sansha where you are surrounded by battle ships and if you move very much you get aggro. I have had two kill them selves there and lol'ed them pretty good. Otherwise I waste all the wrecks cause I can. The better part is I rarely loot or salvage so just being mean. If they ask they can have it if they just want to come in like cockroaches they can have empty space.
Kira Deschain Minmatar Death Squad Broken Chains Alliance 1	Posted - 2011.10.31 18:15:00 - [30] - Quote I tend to use artillery for most L4s I run and that means I can one-shot any wreck from quite a long distance. So if a freeloader does show up I wait until they start their tractor-beams and then pop those wrecks; and only those wrecks. It makes no sense to me that you don't have rights to a wreck which YOU created but you do have rights to the loot in the wreck. But I also know that CCP will never change that so I protest by shooting the wrecks. Sometimes I even wait until the pilot turns on the salvager THEN I pop the wreck. Of course they complain quite loudly about this, but complaining is easy to ignore. :-)



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