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Cryissa
Caldari Navy Operations
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Posted - 2011.10.29 08:26:00 -
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It's been spoken about but I think many times. I did a search but couldn't get to what I wanted quicker enough plus it might be out of date.
How do I pay back the salvage thief?
I am currently doing a level 4 and would normally leave all the loot till the end and go back and clear in a quicker ship. It's Angel Extravaganza so the loot is quite good with the tags they drop as well.
Im fed up with these small, normally non corp ships that come in and steal my wreks. I know if I just shoot him he will die but then I have the local police on me but am I right in thinking if he is part of a gang this could be just bait for his buddies as well?
Please help me I am pulling out my hair here!
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Insong Whang
Buccaneers of New Eden
The Forsaken.
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Posted - 2011.10.29 09:20:00 -
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Cryissa wrote:
How do I pay back the salvage thief?
Right click on character portrait, give money.
But seriously, there's no good way to pay 'em back, just ignore them and carry on. |
Substantia Nigra
NFI industrial
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
89
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Posted - 2011.10.29 09:23:00 -
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absolutely agree with Insong. Just completely ignore them. Don't shoot them, don't shoot your wrecks, don't warp out, don't convo or bleat in local. Just continue with your mission as if they weren't there.
Also don't take anything from any (yellow) jet-cans they drop. That will also invite them to shoot you without CONCORD intervening.
We can build and sell pretty much every ship. Check my bio for details. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread |
Cryissa
Caldari Navy Operations
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Posted - 2011.10.29 09:25:00 -
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I shoot my wreck at times. Your saying don't? Why not? If I don't want them to have it and can't stop them I do shoot them sometimes. Well most of the time. |
Hershman
G-Weezy
35
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Posted - 2011.10.29 09:48:00 -
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Ninja salvaging is a way for newer players to get a slice at some good start up money. Sometimes they are saving up for their own mission crushing battleship. A niche of pirates will do it for fun every so often. That's how it goes.
The answer is to ignore them, or send them a fleet invite and give them your wrecks out of good will. |
Siri Irme
Peyrol's Resources Incorporated
0
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Posted - 2011.10.29 10:25:00 -
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Don't mission in a popular high sec hub. |
xVx dreadnaught
Rodents of Unusual Size
7
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Posted - 2011.10.29 10:43:00 -
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Cryissa wrote:I shoot my wreck at times. Your saying don't? Why not? If I don't want them to have it and can't stop them I do shoot them sometimes. Well most of the time.
A lot of the times the salvager doesn't care about individual marks that he is leeching off of.
It would be much smarter to bring along an alt, in a noctis, while you're moving into one room have the nocits moving in one pocket behind. hoover them all up as quickly as you can.
Chances are if a leeching salvager spots a noctis in the pocket they won't waist their time. |
Carlos Aceveda
Ares Inc.
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Posted - 2011.10.29 12:08:00 -
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Basically the game mechanic is, that you down own wrecks per se. As dread says, get a second account and a noctis as your "counter". Some would say thats "pay to win" (13 extra bucks for another account each month). |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
70
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Posted - 2011.10.29 13:28:00 -
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Cryissa wrote:It's been spoken about but I think many times. I did a search but couldn't get to what I wanted quicker enough plus it might be out of date.
How do I pay back the salvage thief?
I am currently doing a level 4 and would normally leave all the loot till the end and go back and clear in a quicker ship. It's Angel Extravaganza so the loot is quite good with the tags they drop as well.
Im fed up with these small, normally non corp ships that come in and steal my wreks. I know if I just shoot him he will die but then I have the local police on me but am I right in thinking if he is part of a gang this could be just bait for his buddies as well?
Please help me I am pulling out my hair here!
They're not there for your salvage or your crap loot, they're there ONLY to get your aggression and get your ship KM, nothing more nothing less.
You can also:
Let it come, engage discussion and encourage him to clean up your mess, thank him with 1isk reward
Let him feel at "home" and do the mistake of get too close to the next frigs/scrams/webs pop, kill the trigger, watch him die and have lol irl
Just ignore him, your LP's worth more than the crap loot or salvage he's stealing you, once he'll get tired of you ignoring him he'll just go away bother some one else.
Sure some are like dog sh+»t on your shoes and can stay there for hours, it's their way of living but once they understand you don't give a **** about them they go away
You just need to understand THEY DON'T CARE OF YOUR CRAP, THEY WANT YOUR SHIP KM and feed epeen fake kb's with fake km's
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Cryissa
Caldari Navy Operations
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Posted - 2011.10.29 14:32:00 -
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Thanks for all your replies. Ive never shot one of these guys yet or fallen for the trick your all telling me about. I am not a bad person really if you want to help out I am open to people being nice and talking and asking. But your right I suppose most are out to upset me enough for me to shoot them. I was in a bad mood this morning so this didnt help. Im calm now  |
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TrollFace TrololMcFluf
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2011.10.29 15:33:00 -
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As the wrecks dont belong to you its not stealing the salvage is a free for all and its your problem if you dont get i in time.
On the other hand the cargo of the wreck dose belong to you and thus if they take it you are free to shoot them |
TrollFace TrololMcFluf
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2011.10.29 15:36:00 -
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You just need to understand THEY DON'T CARE OF YOUR CRAP, THEY WANT YOUR SHIP KM and feed epeen fake kb's with fake km's
Last time i checked a kill was a kill was a kill it must take a very narrow minded wannabe pvper (i wont call you a pirate you clearly aint) to think like this so as they dont play within your mind frame they are fakes
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Kitty McKitty
In Praise Of Shadows
539
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Posted - 2011.10.29 17:12:00 -
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The best option is to just leave them to have it and clear the mission and go to the next one. If it persists in your area then consider moving if you really want the salvage. It's not actually YOURS by right, otherwise they would be flagged to you. If they take the loot then you can shoot them but its not recommended since they often are hoping for this and will use cheap tricks like orca hotswaps to change into a ship to kill your mission running ship which will die horribly to a PVP fit.
At the end of the day it's not worth worrying about and the smart option is to finish the mission and move on. Alternatively, sometimes 'blueing' your nearby wrecks will show them you dont care and they might move on when they realise they cant goad you into shooting them.
On no accounts speak to them in local as even simply saying 'lol binman' or something will count as 'sweet tears' to these plebs.
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Whiteknight03
WESAYSO Industries
13
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Posted - 2011.10.29 18:21:00 -
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It's not theft, salvage isn't yours to begin with. Best way, bring a newbie from your corp along, split the salvage. Good cash for the newbie, and you do less bitching on the forums. Everyone is happy. |
Kesshisan
53
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Posted - 2011.10.29 18:50:00 -
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Right click, abandon all nearby wrecks.
Right click, pilot, convo pilot.
"Hey, if I'll throw you bookmarks and abandon everything for you will you throw me a cut of the profits?"
Saves the pilot scanning people down, and makes you as close to free isk as it gets on EvE.
If he's only after your KM, he'll leave since he knows you're not going to aggress hm. If he's after your wrecks, he'd probably enjoy having someone throw him a bookmark for their missions.
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Psychophantic
83
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Posted - 2011.10.29 20:53:00 -
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Cryissa wrote:I shoot my wreck at times. Your saying don't? Why not? If I don't want them to have it and can't stop them I do shoot them sometimes. Well most of the time.
Because he's most likely a sociopath, only there to upset you. You think he's doing it for the millions of isk he's making from looting your leftovers?
By shooting your wrecks or trying to reason with him you're showing him that he's bothering you, leave it alone and he'll go back to pulling the wings off flies.
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Desudes
Pixelmoon
The Star League
8
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Posted - 2011.10.29 21:11:00 -
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Train alt account up through minmatar BS 4, large projectiles 4. Salvager warps in: warp in a size appropriate gank ship and pop him.
Dodixie is the only place I've been ninja-salvaged, not a problem since moving out of there.
Excuse me, but what the f*ck are you desu? |
People's Republic ofChina
My Other Capital Ship is Your Mom
5
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Posted - 2011.10.29 21:26:00 -
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Psychophantic wrote:Cryissa wrote:I shoot my wreck at times. Your saying don't? Why not? If I don't want them to have it and can't stop them I do shoot them sometimes. Well most of the time. Because he's most likely a sociopath
While lack of empathy for the suffering of others is a single symptom of the Sociopath lack of empathy in EVE does not a Sociopath make. Causing suffering (annoyance, anger, rage) in EVE where you know exactly what the effect is of your actions (the destruction of their ship and any modules on the ship, perhaps their pod and implants) and the fact that they are part of the game does not make you apathetic to real human suffering. The problem is people who connect self-worth with in-game wealth and therefore connect their suffering with the destruction of in-game items. If it goes beyond anger and annoyance when you lose something in-game you are too attached to the game.
You may think that I shouldn't judge someone for getting attached to in-game items but it's the same other way around. Both enjoying the unhappiness of someone else and getting attached to in-game items are a sign of unhealthy behaviour, I'd prefer to take the unhealthy behaviour that is entertaining rather than the one that allows someone else to gain entertainment from me. |
Karak Bol
Cable Innovations
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.10.29 21:30:00 -
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I am a Salvager myself. For business, not for griefing.
First I want to correct you, that the only person, that could be labeled a salvage thief is someone stealing it from either your cargo hold, you hangar or maybe a jetcan with your name.
Second, if you do not want to train an alt for noctis use (which in no way hinders a proper salvager getting to the wracks you leave), you should hire a professional salvager (forgot the corp name, they are advertising here on this board somewhere). They will follow you in a noctis, get the loot and the salvage and pay you a good percentage. You make more money this way, as you can run more missions in the same time.
Finally, yes, their are those "Ninja"-Salvagers making a bad name for a whole occupation. If you ask me: Shoot them, let them come with their PvP Ship, shoot them again, laugh about their name and salvage their wrecks just for the lolz. Then go and create something useful as a nice flower from the frozen corpse. |
Jak'rat
Lion Investments
1
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Posted - 2011.10.29 23:58:00 -
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Tanya Powers wrote:
They're not there for your salvage or your crap loot, they're there ONLY to get your aggression and get your ship KM, nothing more nothing less.
Wrong. Plenty of us really are there for the good salvage (Angels or Sansha), for the good loot (Mercs or Generics), and for the sheer fun of ghosting around somebody who truly believes they are alone, and stealing from under their nose without them even realising we're there. And if they shoot me for it and I explode, hey that's the risk of getting caught with your hand in the cookie jar.
Want to avoid visitors? Do a little research, don't mission in idiot hubs, don't fly a ship with the sig radius of a small continent - do get an alt, or preferably a corpie or rookie to do the tidying up for you. And there's NOTHING funnier than getting the lion's share of goodies when up against a Noctis flown by a numpty :) |
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Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2011.10.30 00:48:00 -
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I pop wrecks all the time, but also checking Dscan gives me a heads up that company is comming. I do it to get them to fly around my deadspace, they think it bothers me but its more of a mini-game. I get LP, Salvage, Loot, and bounty, sometimes I can't have all of it but even destroying wrecks I still get half the rewards.
Quote:As the wrecks dont belong to you its not stealing the salvage is a free for all and its your problem if you dont get i in time.
Wrecks do belong to you, the salvage generated out of nothing does not belong to me until its in your cargohold and the wreck is consumed via the activation of a salvager. Can say otherwise, but if it has my portrait on it, its yellow to you, you cannot steal from it without gaining agression (so if the wreck container wasn't mine, TEARS has been doing it wrong for years), you cannot tractor it or shoot it without CONCORD retailiation, only I can blue it to make the entire deadspace open loot rights. Basicly I can determine if I want to give it to you, tractor it, or pop it. What I cannot do is prevent you from activating a salvager and gaining salvage which doesn't exist unless its in your cargo hold, but I can prevent you from trying to get the salvage by destroying it. What I wouldn't give for a right click --> destroy all wreck options in a fireworks display to save me the hassle of targeting every wreck (and I use Dscan often, most the wrecks are usually destroyed before they get into mission and finish off the remaining wrecks when about to complete the mission so rarely do they get anything) |
Nikolai Vodkov
Pro Synergy
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Posted - 2011.10.30 08:34:00 -
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You need to be aware that there are two types of "thieves" that will show up in your mission.
A) Some poor noob that heard that ninja is a great way to make ISK instead of mining veldspar in a bantam. They come to your mission and only salvage the wrecks, then go on their merry way.
B) People who actually don't care about the loot or salvage, but are there to steal from your wrecks hoping you would shoot them. When you do that, they will come back in a pvp ship and destroy you.
To be honest, I don't know why you're so mad about people taking your salvage. Yes, it's messed up and nobody likes uninvited guests but at the end of the day it's actually NOT worth looting/salvaging your own missions, so you might as well team up with them as it's been suggested and let them loot and split.
ALTERNATIVELY, if you got some annoying Ninja's send them our way. We'll turn them into honest and outstanding citizens of New Eden that missions runners LOVE. We've been called the "Ninja Rehab" before 
Run level 4 missions? Double your profits!Let us loot your missions and give you 45% of it's value.Join channel: "Pro Synergy" to find out more. |
Hershman
G-Weezy
40
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Posted - 2011.10.30 09:53:00 -
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This thread makes me want to take up ninja salvaging as a hobby |
Jak'rat
Lion Investments
1
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Posted - 2011.10.30 21:55:00 -
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Nikolai Vodkov wrote:You need to be aware that there are two types of "thieves" that will show up in your mission.
A) Some poor noob that heard that ninja is a great way to make ISK instead of mining veldspar in a bantam. They come to your mission and only salvage the wrecks, then go on their merry way.
B) People who actually don't care about the loot or salvage, but are there to steal from your wrecks hoping you would shoot them. When you do that, they will come back in a pvp ship and destroy you.
C) Some self-important businessman who has conned you into turning the wrecks blue or inviting them to your fleet and taxing you 55% for the privelige...
Seriously mate. If you'd just said "most thieves" I'd have left it, but you and too many other people are hell bent on painting yourselves as experts on why other people do stuff, and deciding which little box we all fit in - without any clue what you're talking about.
I don't need the cash, I don't want the killmails. But I'll keep on popping in and out of other people's missions whenever I please. Stick that in your pop-psychology pipe and smoke it.... |
Nikolai Vodkov
Pro Synergy
1
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Posted - 2011.10.31 05:47:00 -
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Jak'rat wrote:Nikolai Vodkov wrote:You need to be aware that there are two types of "thieves" that will show up in your mission.
A) Some poor noob that heard that ninja is a great way to make ISK instead of mining veldspar in a bantam. They come to your mission and only salvage the wrecks, then go on their merry way.
B) People who actually don't care about the loot or salvage, but are there to steal from your wrecks hoping you would shoot them. When you do that, they will come back in a pvp ship and destroy you. C) Some self-important businessman who has conned you into turning the wrecks blue or inviting them to your fleet and taxing you 55% for the privelige... Seriously mate. If you'd just said "most thieves" I'd have left it, but you and too many other people are hell bent on painting yourselves as experts on why other people do stuff, and deciding which little box we all fit in - without any clue what you're talking about. I don't need the cash, I don't want the killmails. But I'll keep on popping in and out of other people's missions whenever I please. Stick that in your pop-psychology pipe and smoke it....
Hey man, no need to make random unbased accusations. We loot for missioners who would just leave their wrecks there to rot and lag in space, and we pay them 45% for it, and at the same time provide a great way for new players to make decent ISK w/o stepping on anyone's toes.
On the other note, yes there are many different sorts of people that do things for many different reasons, but I have just pointed out the two most common ones, at least from my personal experience and of those around me.
Run level 4 missions? Double your profits!Let us loot your missions and give you 45% of it's value.Join channel: "Pro Synergy" to find out more. |
Jak'rat
Lion Investments
1
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Posted - 2011.10.31 10:38:00 -
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Nikolai Vodkov wrote:
Hey man, no need to make random unbased accusations.
Such as saying that all salvage thieves are either "poor noobs" or only there for PvP, for example...
(By the way, in that list that you started and that I was using to make a point about perspective, there's also a D), an E), an F), and the rest of the damn alphabet.)
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Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
84
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Posted - 2011.10.31 10:48:00 -
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TrollFace TrololMcFluf wrote:You just need to understand THEY DON'T CARE OF YOUR CRAP, THEY WANT YOUR SHIP KM and feed epeen fake kb's with fake km's
Last time i checked a kill was a kill was a kill it must take a very narrow minded wannabe pvper (i wont call you a pirate you clearly aint) to think like this so as they dont play within your mind frame they are fakes
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1077
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Posted - 2011.10.31 14:12:00 -
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Step 1:
Realise that they are not thieves. They are competitors, and you need to deal with them as such. You can either fit your ship to compete better, or you can forfeit the match and give them the winnings. Or, go for the sour-grapes method and make sure you both lose.
Step 2:
Realise that salvage is not loot and vice versa. Those who are interested in actually stealing from you GÇö i.e. take loot that you own GÇö often have the ulterior motive of getting into a fight. It's usually a bad idea to grant them this wish.
GǪand that's really all there is to it.
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GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Spineker
Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2011.10.31 18:07:00 -
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I blow it all up and laugh for them wasting their time scanning down my low sig ship. Reverse griefing and can be fun when bored. 6 launchers 3.6 second rate of fire and 2 3 second lock time can waste an entire room before they get more then one or so.
Or the best one is Pirate invasion Sansha where you are surrounded by battle ships and if you move very much you get aggro. I have had two kill them selves there and lol'ed them pretty good. Otherwise I waste all the wrecks cause I can. The better part is I rarely loot or salvage so just being mean. If they ask they can have it if they just want to come in like cockroaches they can have empty space. |
Kira Deschain
Minmatar Death Squad
Broken Chains Alliance
1
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Posted - 2011.10.31 18:15:00 -
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I tend to use artillery for most L4s I run and that means I can one-shot any wreck from quite a long distance. So if a freeloader does show up I wait until they start their tractor-beams and then pop those wrecks; and only those wrecks. It makes no sense to me that you don't have rights to a wreck which YOU created but you do have rights to the loot in the wreck. But I also know that CCP will never change that so I protest by shooting the wrecks. Sometimes I even wait until the pilot turns on the salvager THEN I pop the wreck. Of course they complain quite loudly about this, but complaining is easy to ignore. :-) |
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Laurici
The Priesthood
The 0rphanage
0
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Posted - 2011.10.31 19:33:00 -
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You should definitely start a thread in the Crime and Punishment forum, they are really helpful in there about these kinds of things |
Alyssa Yotosala
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2011.10.31 19:55:00 -
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OP, you base your post on an incorrect assumption.
Other players who salvage wrecks that you generate are *not* thieves.
CCP has stated time and time again, that salvaging is not stealing, because you do not own the salvage. You only own the loot.
There is no need to 'pay back' the 'thief', as there is no thief.
If they stole your loot, they would be red to you ( though you would be a fool to agress them, as you would get all blowed up ) |
Jak'rat
Lion Investments
1
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Posted - 2011.10.31 20:42:00 -
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a Mission Runner complaining about salvagers wrote: It's the inflated sense of entitlement that pisses me off.
Cant...
stop....
laughing...
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JackStraw56
Bayesian Motion
Knights of Tomorrow
17
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Posted - 2011.10.31 20:47:00 -
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Cryissa wrote:I shoot my wreck at times. Your saying don't? Why not? If I don't want them to have it and can't stop them I do shoot them sometimes. Well most of the time.
Most of the time the ninja does not want the isk from your wrecks. They want to **** you off and hopefully kill you. Shooting the wrecks lets them know that they've pissed you off and makes them want to do it even more. |
Cunane Jeran
22
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Posted - 2011.11.01 01:47:00 -
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Mission away from the busy spots, and you'll never have a problem. Currently running lv4's from a nice 0.5 never more than 6-10 people in local.
If they do come in, just ignore them and write it off as a loss. |
Orlacc
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
34
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Posted - 2011.11.01 05:06:00 -
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You used to be able to have fun with the third part of the Recon mission when the salvagers would drop in. |
Aggressive Nutmeg
15
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Posted - 2011.11.01 06:04:00 -
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Premise: This game is a competition. You are competing with other players for resources.
Is it wise to leave resources (in this case wrecks) lying around for your competitors to benefit from?
Is it wise (in hisec at least) to bother hoovering up your own wrecks, since it would probably be more profitable to start your next mission?
Therefore, is blowing up your wrecks as you go not a logical course of action (in many missions at least)?
I keep hearing this game is about 'tears'. Are there not tears to be extracted from mission invaders as they arrive a second too late to each and every wreck that you've just popped?
Nothing further, Your Honour. |
Desudes
Pixelmoon
The Star League
8
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Posted - 2011.11.01 06:30:00 -
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Alyssa Yotosala wrote:OP, you base your post on an incorrect assumption.
Other players who salvage wrecks that you generate are *not* thieves.
CCP has stated time and time again, that salvaging is not stealing, because you do not own the salvage. You only own the loot.
There is no need to 'pay back' the 'thief', as there is no thief.
If they stole your loot, they would be red to you ( though you would be a fool to agress them, as you would get all blowed up )
By the legal rules of the game it may not be stealing but anyone with any sense of fair play agrees it is outright theft. CCP can say whatever they want. The only difference between taking salvage and taking loot is one flags you and the other doesn't. Unless I'm feeling lazy and happen to be near a BS rat or named rat wreck, I always do both or none.
No one comes for my salvage due to flying an Ishtar armor tanked (small sig radius) in missions, otherwise I'd have a minmatar gank account. Gank cyclone or something, DPS in missions until some **** came along and salvaged without asking.
I'd let anyone that asked have it unless they were an older character, in which case I'd ask why the heck he can't run his own L4s. Hell, I even advertised in Dodixie when I missioned there and left all my salvage: no one took me up on it as they wanted people to get upset about it lol.
Excuse me, but what the f*ck are you desu? |
Ometoch
Nothing Useful
0
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Posted - 2011.11.01 08:31:00 -
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Well, you have few options here. This is no different than the rules of salvage in the real world. In international waters, salvage can be claimed by anyone. Same in EvE. If you are wondering what they want... it's simple. your tears. Sweet delicious tears, as the Suddenly Ninjas guys would say. They aren't sociopaths, they are simply playing this game they way they want to. Getting aggro about it is what they want, and it does make for some very funny local/private chat logs. If you want some education about this whole ninja salvaging/looting thing, check out C7P forum here, or www.mylootyourtears.com Honestly, I have yet to have them take my salvage, but again, remember, there are many forms of PvP in EvE. It is a sandbox, and just because someone else doesn't play the way you do doesn't mean either of you are wrong. I always have my alt behind me to salvage when I am missioning, or a corpie that is the salvage monkey for that run. we usually switch off.
tl;dr: Accept that missioning, especially lvl 4 missions will sometimes get ninja looters. Deal with it however you see fit, but I can tell you that getting pissed is exactly what they want. |
Joshke
Epsilon Inc
STORM.
1
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Posted - 2011.11.01 09:24:00 -
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The best way is to ignore loot and salvaging at all - it is 1) boring , 2) it takes your time and 3) it brings not at all so much. Better, do more missions instead of swapping to your salvage ship, warping here and there, salvaging (omg, how it is boring!) carrieng all these scram to your trade hub.... - you simply earn 10x more on bounty and LP if you do another couple missions during this time.
P.S. Bad tip is to ignore ninjas. Just imagine what a pain would be, if a ninja take your mission's loot. |
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Ometoch
Nothing Useful
0
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Posted - 2011.11.01 10:25:00 -
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Joshke wrote:P.S. Bad tip is to ignore ninjas. Just imagine what a pain would be, if a ninja take your mission's loot.
True, getting your mission item ganked is bad... however, if you do a bit of research on eve-survival (you should be anyways), you'll know what structure, ship, etc drops what, and make sure to grab it right after it pops. Either with your missioner or your salvage monkey.
Joshke wrote:The best way is to ignore loot and salvaging at all - it is 1) boring , 2) it takes your time and 3) it brings not at all so much. Better, do more missions instead of swapping to your salvage ship, warping here and there, salvaging (omg, how it is boring!) carrieng all these scram to your trade hub.... - you simply earn 10x more on bounty and LP if you do another couple missions during this time.
I disagree with you here. Boring is your opinion. everything takes time, and the amount of cash you can gain from salvage can be substantial, especially if you know what sells well, and watch the market. I usually throw all of my salvage into the copr hangar, and go through it once a week. Again, if you are missioning a lot, it will add up, and since you are already there, and looting, and mostlikely either planning on salvaging yourself or have a salvage monkey, then makes no sense to leave it. But again, just like your post, this is my opinion. YMMV |
Glarrion
Enterprise Industries Corp
0
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Posted - 2011.11.01 10:38:00 -
[42] - Quote
yup salvage on some mission is substantial - especialy dog tags - yesterday i run 2 sets vs gallente to get tags for about 230 mil .... made some CN launchers and bcs and contracted for a ~430 mil .... only 4 hrs of play |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1114
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Posted - 2011.11.02 09:43:00 -
[43] - Quote
Glarrion wrote:yup salvage on some mission is substantial - especialy dog tags Dog tags are not salvage.
Aggressive Nutmeg wrote:Premise: This game is a competition. You are competing with other players for resources.
Is it wise to leave resources (in this case wrecks) lying around for your competitors to benefit from? Yes, because while he's occupied with low-value space scrap, you can keep making piles upon piles of cache. Stopping to care about what the garbage man does (to say nothing about wasting resources on him) only reduces the size of those piles.
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Solomar Espersei
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
107
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Posted - 2011.11.02 13:39:00 -
[44] - Quote
You do realize that we get a huge kick out of these threads, right?
I find it fascinating that the sandbox allows such diverse approaches to the game, and then, in this little arena, those philosophy collide with humorous results. Most, ok maybe not most, but many mission runners are really tied up with the concept of becoming space rich. They run missions to see those big ISKies tick and rake in the cash with very, very little risk. Ninjas on the other hand, or at least in my experience, are usually very laid back sorts of fellows who delight in trickery, goofy scams, and watching the other guy explode. We require paltry sums of ISK most of which falls right into our laps and every now and then, we'll shoot some wayward individual who will drop faction and deadspace mods like a Boss.
But to the OP, look, CCP gave you the big "I WIN" button with the Noctis. It is absolutely absurd at how well it Hoovers a room so, the advantage is definitely on your side. Other than that, you do realize we are Corp Red when we're in your mission. Surely to God there's someone in your corp who is willing to come shoot us. If not, well, GTFO and find a real corp.
Recruiting is OPEN
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OllieNorth
R-K Industries
Sexy Alliance
7
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Posted - 2011.11.02 14:52:00 -
[45] - Quote
The only thing more hilariously self-righteous than the Bear screaming "OMG THEY STEALED MY SALVAGE!!!1!!" is the Ninja Salvager repeating "Not stealing, if it was we would get flagged, we heart yore tearz!"
I agree with many of the people in here, don't run missions in Dodixie, and you will rarely if ever see a ninja salvager. If you do see them, just ignore them, maybe even just say hey and crack a joke. |
Mythradites
ExoGeni Incorporated
WUT ALLIANCE
0
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Posted - 2011.11.02 18:42:00 -
[46] - Quote
If my alt doesn't salvage I use a corporation mate. If no one is up to the task then I just leave it. Ignoring them typically makes them go away. But usually I'm done and on a different mission and salvaging before They find me again. |
Pamela Podpopper
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.11.02 19:02:00 -
[47] - Quote
Kitty McKitty wrote:The best option is to just leave them to have it and clear the mission and go to the next one. If it persists in your area then consider moving if you really want the salvage. It's not actually YOURS by right, otherwise they would be flagged to you. If they take the loot then you can shoot them but its not recommended since they often are hoping for this and will use cheap tricks like orca hotswaps to change into a ship to kill your mission running ship which will die horribly to a PVP fit.
At the end of the day it's not worth worrying about and the smart option is to finish the mission and move on. Alternatively, sometimes 'blueing' your nearby wrecks will show them you dont care and they might move on when they realise they cant goad you into shooting them.
On no accounts speak to them in local as even simply saying 'lol binman' or something will count as 'sweet tears' to these plebs.
you are terrible and need to immediately stop typing
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Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
207
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Posted - 2011.11.02 19:10:00 -
[48] - Quote
I wish someone would ninja salvage or even loot my missions!  Sometimes I feel sorry for all the waste I leave behind as I hardly ever salvage or loot. To get back to my mission agent system, fly back to the mission, get between all the wrecks through all the rooms is a bit too boring after doing it so many times already.
That said, they can ninja salvage your wrecks but not loot them, e.g. not take tags and stuff without permitting you to shoot them without being concorded. If they start flashing red, they steal your loot and don't just salvage your wrecks.
But often that's exactly what they want and they have backup standing by to gank you. Which you'll like even less.
If it annoys you, just ignore them. No idea why it happens to you so frequently as I don't even have one ninja a month in my misions. |
Pamela Podpopper
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.11.02 19:13:00 -
[49] - Quote
Solomar Espersei wrote:You do realize that we get a huge kick out of these threads, right?
I find it fascinating that the sandbox allows such diverse approaches to the game, and then, in this little arena, those philosophy collide with humorous results. Most, ok maybe not most, but many mission runners are really tied up with the concept of becoming space rich. They run missions to see those big ISKies tick and rake in the cash with very, very little risk. Ninjas on the other hand, or at least in my experience, are usually very laid back sorts of fellows who delight in trickery, goofy scams, and watching the other guy explode. We require paltry sums of ISK most of which falls right into our laps and every now and then, we'll shoot some wayward individual who will drop faction and deadspace mods like a Boss.
But to the OP, look, CCP gave you the big "I WIN" button with the Noctis. It is absolutely absurd at how well it Hoovers a room so, the advantage is definitely on your side. Other than that, you do realize we are Corp Red when we're in your mission. Surely to God there's someone in your corp who is willing to come shoot us. If not, well, GTFO and find a real corp.
Solo: sitting under the noctis with your cargohold open mashing ctrl-A dragging their loot to your hold trumps the reach of the Noctii
It also causes juicy tearz too
Sugar Diick taught me that one
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Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
8
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Posted - 2011.11.02 22:47:00 -
[50] - Quote
I recently had my very first ninja salvager after more than a year of playing (near Dodixie).
I actually found that quite neighbourly and a welcome change from the usual bore, what I didn-¦t get, however, was why someone actually bothers with a L3 mission, he must have known that a Myrm is a battlecruiser....
Unbanned since 2011.10.20. |
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Solomar Espersei
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
108
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Posted - 2011.11.03 00:22:00 -
[51] - Quote
Pamela Podpopper wrote:
Solo: sitting under the noctis with your cargohold open mashing ctrl-A dragging their loot to your hold trumps the reach of the Noctii
It also causes juicy tearz too
Sugar Diick taught me that one
LOL. Yes it does to some degree, but the Noctis if fit properly will out-salvage even a seasoned ninja such as I. The larger point my Dear is that the speed of the Noctis in the hands of a properly skilled Alt means that missions get salvaged at a far greater speed than back in the days of the Salvage Catalyst or Salvage Cane. Thus, the window for ninja looting and or salvaging is far slimmer. Even if you don't agree with this point, you must concede the point that the Noctis is probably the end game for Mission Runners who wish to compete with us for the loot and salvage.
Recruiting is OPEN
Please join our public channel The Ninja Dojo for more info |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
131
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Posted - 2011.11.03 04:37:00 -
[52] - Quote
Pamela Podpopper wrote:
Solo: sitting under the noctis with your cargohold open mashing ctrl-A dragging their loot to your hold trumps the reach of the Noctii
It also causes juicy tearz too
Sugar Diick taught me that one
I called this maneuver the tear generator. When I used to ninja you could feel the morale in the room plummet as you sat there on top of his salvager salvaging and loot his wrecks faster than he could. It was quite effective to get the missioner to just move on and leave all the loot and salvage to you. ;)
We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Chi Ftele
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2011.11.03 21:15:00 -
[53] - Quote
don't mission in or near the most crowded systems, a couple of units of agent quality is not going to make a great deal of difference
That is all. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1164
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Posted - 2011.11.03 21:29:00 -
[54] - Quote
Pamela Podpopper wrote:Solo: sitting under the noctis with your cargohold open mashing ctrl-A dragging their loot to your hold trumps the reach of the Noctii Its plural is noctium, by the wayGǪ
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Kain Bodom
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.11.04 19:14:00 -
[55] - Quote
100 million isk made this week. :) about 10 mill an hour give or take. For frig work nothing pays more... that I know of.
And for the record I leave when I see a Noctis. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
3
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Posted - 2011.11.04 21:13:00 -
[56] - Quote
Ninja salvage is how I made my first "real" ISK in Eve. It was my primary income stream for quite a few weeks.
You asked why you should not shoot your own wrecks. Because doing so puts your own spite in front of what should be the real goal of any mission runner: To make ISK. Stop wasting your time.
There are two ways to do missions. Blitz or loot. If you see a ninja salvager show up, just call that one a blitz, abandon the wrecks, and move on to the next mission. By doing that you'll either make a new player very happy or you'll really tick off someone trying to bait you into attacking or hoping for tears. Either one is good, right?
If you screw around trying to beat them (without a skilled Noctis pilot), you will either get your shiny mission ship blown to bits or just waste your own time and increase your own frustration. If you shoot them out of the sky and nothing happens...congrats on blowing up a new Eve player trying to make a little ISK off your table scraps. Have a cookie. If you shoot them and they show back up in a pvp fit ship, make no mistake, your ship is forfeit. |
Substantia Nigra
NFI industrial
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
155
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Posted - 2011.11.05 00:00:00 -
[57] - Quote
Like Princess ninja-salvage was my first decent income source in eve, before I fell in with a group of dedicated mission runners who gave me all their lvl4 mission sites after they'd blitzed.
I agree with Princess that wreck shooting is a waste of effort / time, and it's not a good thing to do. Firstly you show them you care, and if their actual goal is to gank you then you've encouraged them to hang around a while longer and keep trying. Secondly you are using your ammo and time to destroy something of relatively low value just so they can't access it. That seems to be a bit of cutting-off-your-nose-to-spite-your-face to me, and leads to a (small) reduction in your income.
It's an interesting thread, but I will stick to my original advice of 'just completely ignore them'.
We can build and sell pretty much every ship. Check my bio for details. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread |
Desudes
Federal Defence Union
Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2011.11.05 00:31:00 -
[58] - Quote
To sum up this thread and answer the original question (go down the list in order presented as you fail/can't do the step):
1) find a less populated home
2) noctis alt/friend (if you have no friends or alts you can try to get him to salvage and split with you)
3) remind the ninja that this is EVE: gank that ************ (use the noctis guy's combat ship so you can keep missioning)
4) write it up as a loss and tip your hat to what is hopefully a noob in need. I'd suggest convoing the guy and if he is just an asshat rethink how you can accomplish step 3.
I didn't put in shooting the cans because that is going to make you lose in every way. My list is best outcome to worst outcome, losing as little as possible.
Oh, for the people saying "this is how I made money when I was a wee-baby-capsuleer so take pity on them"- you to can work your way up the ladder by missioning like the guy you're leaching off of probably did.
Excuse me, but what the f*ck are you desu? |
Solomar Espersei
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
109
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Posted - 2011.11.05 18:07:00 -
[59] - Quote
Desudes wrote:Oh, for the people saying "this is how I made money when I was a wee-baby-capsuleer so take pity on them"- you to can work your way up the ladder by missioning like the guy you're leaching off of probably did.
Speaking for REAL ninjas everywhere, we want you to shoot those little wee-baby buggers rather than "take pity on them". They need to get comfortable with being shot at and blowing up. Part of the gig and as we say in TEARS "HTFU young ninja".
And look, there are just some players who don't like the "grinding nature" of mission-running and would rather find other ways of having fun in EVE. The sandbox allows us to compete with other players for resources and the sooner those who are being "leached" realize they have adversaries and competitors, why, the better off they'll be as well.
Here's the facts:
Where coming for your stuff and we mean to take it. All of it. If you make it easy on us, that's on you pal. We're also coming fot those sweet, sweet shiny modules on your mission boat so by all means, please shoot at our throwaway frigates. Or don't, in another month, those Faction and Deadspace mods may not be safe no matter where you fly.
Recruiting is OPEN
Please join our public channel The Ninja Dojo for more info |
Desudes
Federal Defence Union
Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2011.11.05 20:06:00 -
[60] - Quote
Solomar Espersei wrote:We're also coming fot those sweet, sweet shiny modules on your mission boat so by all means, please shoot at our throwaway frigates.
Desudes wrote:3) remind the ninja that this is EVE: gank that ************ (use the noctis guy's combat ship so you can keep missioning)
Yeah, you take those meta 4s from my alts t1 fit Hurricane. I'm shaking in my e-boots from your e-toughness.
Excuse me, but what the f*ck are you desu? |
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Jenny Cameron
Ordo Eventus
Inception Alliance
17
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Posted - 2011.11.05 20:36:00 -
[61] - Quote
Nerath Naaris wrote:I recently had my very first ninja salvager after more than a year of playing (near Dodixie).
I actually found that quite neighbourly and a welcome change from the usual bore, what I didn-¦t get, however, was why someone actually bothers with a L3 mission, he must have known that a Myrm is a battlecruiser....
I had this too, I was coming back in my salvage destroyer (pre-Noctis time) after doing some L3 in my Drake and there were, all the funny little cargo containers, neatly floating in space! 
But I hardly ever hear people complaining about ninja salvagers, it must be a few big trade hubs or just bad luck?! |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
263
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Posted - 2011.11.05 22:16:00 -
[62] - Quote
Ninja salvaging is fun, because no matter what happens, the carebear ends up worse off - usually because they are terribly stupid at game mechanics and risk assessment. Smart ones are few and far between.
I mean, seriously, shoot your own wrecks? Do you not realise that many do this to ANNOY YOU or to generally prevent you making money? What's the ISK/hr of shooting your own wrecks?
Then there's the guy who was all "HAHAHAHA my noctis can out salvage your Vigil! Pirate loser!"
He was right, of course.
Even better - a ship scan revealed the lack of any tank.
Enter 1400mm artillery.
He stopped laughing.
The "problem" here isn't the mission runner, it isn't the salvage "thief" it's the incredible sense of entitlement that some of the former have. Show that, and some of us will stop at nothing to take it away.
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"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Aggressive Nutmeg
23
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Posted - 2011.11.05 23:23:00 -
[63] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:Ninja salvaging is fun, because no matter what happens, the carebear ends up worse off - usually because they are terribly stupid at game mechanics and risk assessment. Smart ones are few and far between.
I mean, seriously, shoot your own wrecks? Do you not realise that many do this to ANNOY YOU or to generally prevent you making money? What's the ISK/hr of shooting your own wrecks?
Ok that's actually funny. A lot of mission runners don't salvage their wrecks or even stop for the loot. As they shoot the wrecks that they weren't going to stop for, they're thinking: 'Look at that poor sucker wasting his tiime scanning down mission runners. This is fun popping wrecks before he can reach them'.
They're actually 'griefng' the ninja salvager. One set of carebears griefing another, you might say. |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
265
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Posted - 2011.11.06 12:19:00 -
[64] - Quote
Aggressive Nutmeg wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Ninja salvaging is fun, because no matter what happens, the carebear ends up worse off - usually because they are terribly stupid at game mechanics and risk assessment. Smart ones are few and far between.
I mean, seriously, shoot your own wrecks? Do you not realise that many do this to ANNOY YOU or to generally prevent you making money? What's the ISK/hr of shooting your own wrecks? Ok that's actually funny. A lot of mission runners don't salvage their wrecks or even stop for the loot. As they shoot the wrecks that they weren't going to stop for, they're thinking: 'Look at that poor sucker wasting his tiime scanning down mission runners. This is fun popping wrecks before he can reach them'. They're actually 'griefng' the ninja salvager. One set of carebears griefing another, you might say.
The problem is, your fantasy that they are annoyed at you shooting your own wrecks is entirely self contained. You weren't going to salvage them anyway, but will happily stop what you were doing to stop someone else getting them? That's cool.
There's two likely scenarios here:
a) They're new and doing it for the ISK. In which case, all you're doing is stopping a new player from earning money. A new player who is being more creative than "accept mission, complete, turn in, accept mission.." You go boy! Show them new players who is best!
b) They're just looking to aggro you, in which case two things will happen. 1: they don't want the contents of the wrecks. 2: they'll be rather amused at you shooting your own stuff.
Which ever way you splice it, someone "cutting off their nose to spite their face" by shooting wrecks that "I didn't want anyway!" will always be more amusing on the side of the ninja salvager. Hint: it's why it happens.
FYI: it takes about 30seconds to 2 minutes variable to combat scan someone in a busy system. You're wasting more time shooting your own wrecks than the guy is finding you.
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"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
0
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Posted - 2011.11.07 06:56:00 -
[65] - Quote
Cryissa wrote:Im fed up with these small, normally non corp ships that come in and steal my wrecks. I know if I just shoot him he will die but then I have the local police on me but am I right in thinking if he is part of a gang this could be just bait for his buddies as well?
You're suffering from a faulty perception, which is what is behind your fed-up'ness....
You see, according to the rules of EVE, they're NOT your wrecks. If they HAD been your wrecks, then the salvager would become red when they salvaged one, and you could shoot them. However, they're not!
NOTHING in EVE is 'yours' until it is in your hangar. Even loot in wrecks isn't really 'yours' before you claim it. If a loot-thief takes some of it, and you don't stop him, that loot isn't yours any more.
Salvage is junk and doesn't belong to anyone, not even the guy who created the wreck it was from. This is by design!
You're like a football player (European, and not a goal-keeper), who's crying his eyes out that the rules does not allow him to use his hands on the ball... Really rather pathetic...
It's a GAME... It has RULES... Those rules apply to you too, so stop being a little cry-baby about it!
EVE is a MULTI-PLAYER game. You've always got the complexity of having to handle interaction with other players, and those interactions frequently take the form of competition for resources. The game constantly challenges YOU to find solutions to problems, and doesn't solve your problems for you. They are, after all, YOUR problems.
Cryissa wrote:Please help me I am pulling out my hair here!
Remove hands from hair! There you go!
PS: Stop doing missions in one of the main mission hubs. Not only does it give you less money for your LP, it also has the most ninja's by far... I've run missions now for 5+ years, and has seen one (yes, ONE!) ninja... |
Ja'kar
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.11.08 14:59:00 -
[66] - Quote
erm so how come you cannot shoot them now? |
Kara Books
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2011.11.08 15:01:00 -
[67] - Quote
Destroy the wrecks and much sooner then later they wont have any reason to follow you around. |
Meil Nomi
Gravity Salvage
0
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Posted - 2011.11.08 15:25:00 -
[68] - Quote
Before I started salvaging my wrecks I would abandon them and post the bookmark in local. While I know not many would do it, I've had some interesting conversations with ninjas. Now that I am needing the salvage, I just use my alt to grab it with his Noctis that thing eats wrecks like a fat kid at McDonalds. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
123
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Posted - 2011.11.08 22:48:00 -
[69] - Quote
If a salvage ninja wants my wrecks, I abandon all wrecks and let them have at it.
They will warp away if all they wanted was a fight. |
jhanby
T.A.R.M. Ltd
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 08:16:00 -
[70] - Quote
I got my first ninja salvager the other day in a not that busy mission system. He had got half way through the Massive Attack (4) pockets. I warped in with my noctis, convoed him, said Well done and asked him to leave. He then left.
If you're nice to them, they'll most likely be nice back (if they're not looking for fight). |
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Luninuas
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2011.11.09 08:35:00 -
[71] - Quote
Really though the best way is to blast them apart, warp to station switch to your pvp ship and thrash whatever they come out in, simple |
Cryissa
Caldari Navy Operations
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 13:19:00 -
[72] - Quote
Thank you all for your input and replies. I have read them all and have learned a lot. Most of it is common sense which I normally pride myself in having. The spur of the moment of that day I was well in a bad mood and angry. I have relaxed since then and approach this kind of situation in a better way for me.
Thank you all again and fly safe |
Desudes
Federal Defence Union
Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2011.11.09 14:29:00 -
[73] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:The "problem" here isn't the mission runner, it isn't the salvage "thief" it's the incredible sense of entitlement that some of the former have. Show that, and some of us will stop at nothing to take it away.
Down with people thinking that they should get the loot from what they kill, wtf is their problem.
Excuse me, but what the f*ck are you desu? |
Aramatheia
Traveler 52
D-Collective
6
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Posted - 2011.11.09 14:41:00 -
[74] - Quote
heh i love the guy ranting and raving about how he's going to get all cash cow'ed up when he blows up ppls mission ships... my mission ships are only ever going to be t2 fitted at best, meta 4 guns if i havent been bothered finishing up the training. So yeah enjoy lol
as for salvagers in my mission sites i've actually never seen any, some times when im just so lazy i announce to local chat that i have wrecks blue and unlooted free for all. Cause sometimes i just couldnt be bothered salvaging them all, or even looting lol.
I guess if someone did arrive and start taking junk while i was half way through a site i still wouldnt be fussed, probably would make them blue just like i used to when i was mining and had to kill the stupid npc ships that came. Unless this game is based on luck of the looter not the killer then they might get good salvage, otherwise enjoy the 30-40 coollant fluid and broken drones lol |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
289
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Posted - 2011.11.09 16:44:00 -
[75] - Quote
Luninuas wrote:Really though the best way is to blast them apart, warp to station switch to your pvp ship and thrash whatever they come out in, simple
Remind me to run a locator on you when I log back on
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Iceni
Angel Constellation
46
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Posted - 2011.11.09 17:00:00 -
[76] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Pamela Podpopper wrote:Solo: sitting under the noctis with your cargohold open mashing ctrl-A dragging their loot to your hold trumps the reach of the Noctii Its plural is noctium, by the wayGǪ
So the pleural of pe*is is penium? I don't think so...  |
Lump Hammer
Angel Constellation
1
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Posted - 2011.11.09 17:18:00 -
[77] - Quote
As a dedicated mission runner, I decided to try scanning down other mission runners to see how it was done. It's remarkably easy, I observed several runners from my covert ops frigate, and decided that ninja salvagers can have a good time because most mission runners leave all the wrecks lying around and mop them up at the end. So they create a salvage rich environment, ideal for ninja's.
So best practice is to not leave lots of cans lying around. There are two ways to do this:
(1) Get a second account, train the pilot to fly a Noctis and salvage with this ship whilst your main shoots the next one.
(2) Train to fly a Marauder. Yes, they have a big sig radius, but they also have a good cargo hold and 100% bonus for tractor beam range, so that gives you 40km.
Good tractor range + large cargo hold + 3 spare hi-slots = salvage as you go.
If you're killing rats faster than you can recover their wrecks, just pull in the large and medium ones, leave the small ones for the ninjas.
If a ninja warps in and there are still npc rats around, just warp out and let the ninja take the aggro. They don't like that, often they depend on the fact that you will be tanking the rats.
Oh, and don't *pop* the ship with mission loot if there's a ninja around. Just come back a few minutes later and they've usually cleared off elsewhere. Even if you do lose mission loot occasionally, it doesn't set your standiings back much. 2-3 more missions and it will have recovered. |
Ikonia
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Ninja Salvagers are not a big problem if u have the right config. I am using 2 accounts, 1 is flying fighting vessel the other one uses an orca. 70km tractor on 2 slots, 1 salvager II on 3rd. While first char tanks and pops NPCs the orca is already tractoring and salvaging.
If one of those noobs shows up, start shooting only when wreck already has been tractored and salvaged. By 6km u start salvage and about 4 secs later the wreck is gone or if u r unlucky if remains for another few seconds, which barely happens on t2 salvagers. The noob then recognizes he has nearly no chance to get something. If he still tries and has only a small vessel id recommend to warp out, so he has to tank the ****. But in common they get with this method like 1 of 10 wrecks, and leave very fast to other sites.
Also keep the stock on market of salvage high and prices low. Then they leave soon for better areas.
Instead of an orca u can also use a Noctis. Just wait then until the rats are close enough for being tractored.
Or hire a pro salvager /salvage corp. Better to pay provision and have a better chance mfor good salvage than bugging around with those begging scumbags.
And if that is too much work, goto losec for missions. There u never have ninjasalvagers, but a few wannabe pirates with badly fitted ships and max level 3 skills like everywhere in losec :) so only about 2 higher in skills compared to ninjalooters.
Cheers |
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