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Grauth Thorner Vicious Trading Company 150	Posted - 2013.08.29 23:33:00 - [1] - Quote With the new patch coming up, Odyssey 1.1, I really have the idea that suggestions/ideas from players were taken in serious consideration by you, CCP. And I'd like to give you props for that! It makes me a happy man that propositions made by us players aren't simply a waste of time (a feeling I did have in the past). Good work, CCP! I can't wait for 03/09/2013 Creator of the EVE Custom Ship Labeler application: EVE Custom Ship Labeler application forum thread GûæGûÆGûôGûÆGûæGûÆGûôGûÆGûæGûÆGûôGûÆGûæGûÆGûôGûÆGûæGûÆGûôGûÆGûæGûÆGûôGûÆGûæGûÆGûôGûÆGûæGûÆGûôGûÆGûæ
Captain Tardbar Sons of Sam 463	Posted - 2013.08.29 23:34:00 - [2] - Quote Grauth Thorner wrote: With the new patch coming up, Odyssey 1.1, I really have the idea that suggestions/ideas from players were taken in serious consideration by you, CCP. And I'd like to give you props for that! It makes me a happy man that propositions made by us players aren't simply a waste of time (a feeling I did have in the past). Good work, CCP! I can't wait for 03/09/2013 What in particular was the suggestions they took from the players? "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
Johan Toralen IIIJIIIITIIII 238	Posted - 2013.08.30 00:15:00 - [3] - Quote If anything you should aim that praise at Fozzie and Rise because nobody else listened to players in regards to Odyssey. To the contrary.
Jonah Gravenstein Sweet Sensations Radical Industries 12726	Posted - 2013.08.30 00:24:00 - [4] - Quote Captain Tardbar wrote: Grauth Thorner wrote: With the new patch coming up, Odyssey 1.1, I really have the idea that suggestions/ideas from players were taken in serious consideration by you, CCP. And I'd like to give you props for that! It makes me a happy man that propositions made by us players aren't simply a waste of time (a feeling I did have in the past). Good work, CCP! I can't wait for 03/09/2013 What in particular was the suggestions they took from the players? The balancing of the industrials is a prime example of CCP devs taking notice of player feedback. If you look at what we're getting against what was originally proposed you'll see that player feedback in the discussion thread has shaped the final result. Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt
Beekeeper Bob Beekeepers Anonymous 740	Posted - 2013.08.30 01:27:00 - [5] - Quote Grauth Thorner wrote: With the new patch coming up, Odyssey 1.1, I really have the idea that suggestions/ideas from players were taken in serious consideration by you, CCP. And I'd like to give you props for that! It makes me a happy man that propositions made by us players aren't simply a waste of time (a feeling I did have in the past). Good work, CCP! I can't wait for 03/09/2013 So you're excited about a rebalance that has been going on for two years, and is still not complete? Meanwhile, they continue to call fixing all the broken mechanics an "expansion"..... I too am excited about trading playability for more lag and shiny pictures.....:( Petition for a Minimum bounty of 10 mil. Prevent useless bounties!
Inokuma Yawara University of Caille Gallente Federation 170	Posted - 2013.08.30 04:21:00 - [6] - Quote Beekeeper Bob wrote: Grauth Thorner wrote: With the new patch coming up, Odyssey 1.1, I really have the idea that suggestions/ideas from players were taken in serious consideration by you, CCP. And I'd like to give you props for that! It makes me a happy man that propositions made by us players aren't simply a waste of time (a feeling I did have in the past). Good work, CCP! I can't wait for 03/09/2013 So you're excited about a rebalance that has been going on for two years, and is still not complete? Meanwhile, they continue to call fixing all the broken mechanics an "expansion"..... sigh We're so easy to please...... Watch this space.-á New exciting signature in development.
William Walker House Aratus Fatal Ascension 337	Posted - 2013.08.30 06:35:00 - [7] - Quote Nosferatu not worthless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can't wait. pâ+(GîÆGêçGîÆ)n+ë pü+(pé£GêçpÇü-¦)pü+ (GùòGÇ+GùòG£+)
Andrew Indy Four Pillar Production Headshot Gaming 16	Posted - 2013.08.30 06:39:00 - [8] - Quote Beekeeper Bob wrote: So you're excited about a rebalance that has been going on for two years, and is still not complete? Meanwhile, they continue to call fixing all the broken mechanics an "expansion"..... If you look at it that was then we have not had an expansion for a while. Incursions where the last new contect added as far as I know. That being said the changes that have taken place have changed alot of what keeps people playing, in EVE its all about the meta game and that has changed a lot.
Cecil Montague PCG Enterprises 11	Posted - 2013.08.30 06:44:00 - [9] - Quote William Walker wrote: Nosferatu not worthless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can't wait. Nos/Neut combo sentry Geddy's that steal your cap so they can neut you longer. Really not the sort of thing you want to see on the field when you're sat in your shiney capital ship "There is no such thing as an effective segment of Totality" - Bruce Lee: The only man with a Chuck Norris killmail.
Prince Kobol 902	Posted - 2013.08.30 07:02:00 - [10] - Quote Andrew Indy wrote: Beekeeper Bob wrote: So you're excited about a rebalance that has been going on for two years, and is still not complete? Meanwhile, they continue to call fixing all the broken mechanics an "expansion"..... If you look at it that was then we have not had an expansion for a while. Incursions where the last new contect added as far as I know. That being said the changes that have taken place have changed alot of what keeps people playing, in EVE its all about the meta game and that has changed a lot. True, but then the main core mechanics such as PoS's, Sov Warfare, being able to earn more isk in HS then the best Null Sec still have not been touched. Whilst the change in moon goo is a welcome beginning, it still needs a total overhaul. You can only spend so long doing "Iterations" I know I need something new.
Lugalbandak Anunnaku Industrial Corp. Northern Associates. 86	Posted - 2013.08.30 07:18:00 - [11] - Quote Beekeeper Bob wrote: Grauth Thorner wrote: With the new patch coming up, Odyssey 1.1, I really have the idea that suggestions/ideas from players were taken in serious consideration by you, CCP. And I'd like to give you props for that! It makes me a happy man that propositions made by us players aren't simply a waste of time (a feeling I did have in the past). Good work, CCP! I can't wait for 03/09/2013 So you're excited about a rebalance that has been going on for two years, and is still not complete? Meanwhile, they continue to call fixing all the broken mechanics an "expansion"..... rebalance gives lots and lots of content , look around you , check the killboards edit: spoiled brats The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back
Prince Kobol 902	Posted - 2013.08.30 07:30:00 - [12] - Quote Lugalbandak wrote: Beekeeper Bob wrote: Grauth Thorner wrote: With the new patch coming up, Odyssey 1.1, I really have the idea that suggestions/ideas from players were taken in serious consideration by you, CCP. And I'd like to give you props for that! It makes me a happy man that propositions made by us players aren't simply a waste of time (a feeling I did have in the past). Good work, CCP! I can't wait for 03/09/2013 So you're excited about a rebalance that has been going on for two years, and is still not complete? Meanwhile, they continue to call fixing all the broken mechanics an "expansion"..... rebalance gives lots and lots of content , look around you , check the killboards edit: spoiled brats Why, were people not being killed before the re-balance?
RubyPorto SniggWaffe WAFFLES. 3998	Posted - 2013.08.30 07:32:00 - [13] - Quote Beekeeper Bob wrote: So you're excited about a rebalance that has been going on for two years, and is still not complete? Meanwhile, they continue to call fixing all the broken mechanics an "expansion"..... Expansions in a sandbox are about giving you a better quality of sand to work with, both by sifting out the cat turds and changing the way it sticks together when worked. Expansions in a themepark are about putting in new rides. Keep expecting themepark expansions in a sandbox game, and you'll keep being disappointed. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody. "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon
Grauth Thorner Vicious Trading Company 153	Posted - 2013.08.30 11:05:00 - [14] - Quote Captain Tardbar wrote: Grauth Thorner wrote: With the new patch coming up, Odyssey 1.1, I really have the idea that suggestions/ideas from players were taken in serious consideration by you, CCP. And I'd like to give you props for that! It makes me a happy man that propositions made by us players aren't simply a waste of time (a feeling I did have in the past). Good work, CCP! I can't wait for 03/09/2013 What in particular was the suggestions they took from the players? It's not about simply taking suggestions made by players, it's about reading suggestions and reading the replies of these suggestions (or in other words polling the player's opinion) and then act accordingly to shape the suggested content so most of us will be happy in one way or another. It's easy if an idea was liked 1000+ times and everybody supported the idea, this however is never the case. And that's what I see as a big plus nowadays, ideas are actually read and replied to by CCP-devs and they are shaping their changes according to the opinion of players. The suggestion that comes closest to taking ideas would be the third post in this thread. Read the third post, then read all the replies by CCP and then have a look at the "Space Trucking with Industrial Ships" part in the devblog link mentioned in the original post. Creator of the EVE Custom Ship Labeler application: EVE Custom Ship Labeler application forum thread GûæGûÆGûôGûÆGûæGûÆGûôGûÆGûæGûÆGûôGûÆGûæGûÆGûôGûÆGûæGûÆGûôGûÆGûæGûÆGûôGûÆGûæGûÆGûôGûÆGûæGûÆGûôGûÆGûæ
Mr Kidd Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1462	Posted - 2013.08.30 11:42:00 - [15] - Quote Prince Kobol wrote: ... being able to earn more isk in HS then the best Null Sec still have not been touched. Wait, you're saying that you can't make as much in null sec as you can in HS? What BS is this? As far as I'm concerned null has moongoo and it's not anyone's fault but the players out there that their alliances don't share that income with those of you in those alliances. HTFU!...for the children!
Azami Nevinyrall Carbon Circle Tactical Narcotics Team 1208	Posted - 2013.08.30 11:53:00 - [16] - Quote Mr Kidd wrote: Prince Kobol wrote: ... being able to earn more isk in HS then the best Null Sec still have not been touched. Wait, you're saying that you can't make as much in null sec as you can in HS? What BS is this? As far as I'm concerned null has moongoo and it's not anyone's fault but the players out there that their alliances don't share that income with those of you in those alliances. It certainly isn't HS's fault. You should stop using HS as your whipping boy when you have no spine of your own. My Tengu/Noctis makes more ISK/hr in null then it ever did in HS, and you don't get harassed by mission gankers and loot thieves. Most people in null ignore non officer wrecks, salvage and loot brings in more ISK then bounties... Don't nerf HS because null players are doing it wrong... I'm currently taking bets on the following: - CCP Games becomes EA Games' property. - EVE Online will have Microtranctions everywhere.
Rengerel en Distel 1815	Posted - 2013.08.30 12:59:00 - [17] - Quote Azami Nevinyrall wrote: Mr Kidd wrote: Prince Kobol wrote: ... being able to earn more isk in HS then the best Null Sec still have not been touched. Wait, you're saying that you can't make as much in null sec as you can in HS? What BS is this? As far as I'm concerned null has moongoo and it's not anyone's fault but the players out there that their alliances don't share that income with those of you in those alliances. It certainly isn't HS's fault. You should stop using HS as your whipping boy when you have no spine of your own. My Tengu/Noctis makes more ISK/hr in null then it ever did in HS, and you don't get harassed by mission gankers and loot thieves. Most people in null ignore non officer wrecks, salvage and loot brings in more ISK then bounties... Don't nerf HS because null players are doing it wrong... I believe most people realize it's not on an individual basis, but as you scale up more players. HS can take an infinite amount of players, because there's no cap on level 4 missions that are handed out. NS can't. With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Plastic Psycho Necro-Economics 375	Posted - 2013.08.30 13:30:00 - [18] - Quote Prince Kobol wrote: You can only spend so long doing "Iterations" Be fair: EVE players are an irascable, inventive, scurvey lot, and CCP has had their apple cart upset more than a few times by us players going off the reservation. Considering that adapting to the players is a major aspect of code development at CCP, I think they're doing a remarkable job. There are hundreds of thousands of us out here inventively looking for ways to bend, fold, spindle, mutilate, or outright break EVE to our own advantage, and only a hundred or so staff working on keeping up with us; a sisyphean task if ever there was one. Quote: I know I need something new. Patience grasshopper; All in due time. Meanwhile, enjoy the results of tiercide.
Grauth Thorner Vicious Trading Company 154	Posted - 2013.08.30 13:43:00 - [19] - Quote Johan Toralen wrote: If anything you should aim that praise at Fozzie and Rise because nobody else listened to players in regards to Odyssey. To the contrary. I'm sure that the people who invested time in the opinion of players know I'm talking about them, this indeed includes CCP Fozzie and CCP Rise but it's also aimed at the people who are more on the background for actually discussing these proposals. Creator of the EVE Custom Ship Labeler application: EVE Custom Ship Labeler application forum thread GûæGûÆGûôGûÆGûæGûÆGûôGûÆGûæGûÆGûôGûÆGûæGûÆGûôGûÆGûæGûÆGûôGûÆGûæGûÆGûôGûÆGûæGûÆGûôGûÆGûæGûÆGûôGûÆGûæ
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 2633	Posted - 2013.08.30 13:50:00 - [20] - Quote Johan Toralen wrote: If anything you should aim that praise at Fozzie and Rise because nobody else listened to players in regards to Odyssey. To the contrary. I praise Fozzie and Rise when they DON'T listen to the p-layers that make suggestions. Players who sometimes have their own agendas (and don't give a flip about the overall game or community) or who think they are these brilliant gifts from the gods of gaming to tell professionals how to do things. Back before Odyssey I participated in some discussions with people about the Navy Raven. The opposing view was that the changes to the ship were horrible and ccp were horrible for making those changes, and that the ship was made obsolete by other ships like the Fleet Typhoon. They were convinced of it. Yet here we are, CCP ignored the naysayers and according to the market data the Navy Raven is pretty mush more popular than ever while all of the ships that were supposed to be better than it get used (and bought) less even though people have had time to skill into them. Some players think they have THE supreme grasp of the game, but the truth is they don't. CCP seems smart enough to take good advice and ignore all the rest of the noise.
Plastic Psycho Necro-Economics 377	Posted - 2013.08.30 14:03:00 - [21] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: CCP seems smart enough to take good advice and ignore all the rest of the noise. This right here.^ That's a rare ability: The ability to sift wheat from the chaff. Escpecially since EVE players are rather prone to chafing and chaffing at very high volumes.
Lady Ayeipsia Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 679	Posted - 2013.08.30 14:08:00 - [22] - Quote RubyPorto wrote: Beekeeper Bob wrote: So you're excited about a rebalance that has been going on for two years, and is still not complete? Meanwhile, they continue to call fixing all the broken mechanics an "expansion"..... Expansions in a sandbox are about giving you a better quality of sand to work with, both by sifting out the cat turds and changing the way it sticks together when worked. Expansions in a themepark are about putting in new rides. Keep expecting themepark expansions in a sandbox game, and you'll keep being disappointed. I think this sums it up perfectly.
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 2635	Posted - 2013.08.30 14:20:00 - [23] - Quote Lady Ayeipsia wrote: RubyPorto wrote: Beekeeper Bob wrote: So you're excited about a rebalance that has been going on for two years, and is still not complete? Meanwhile, they continue to call fixing all the broken mechanics an "expansion"..... Expansions in a sandbox are about giving you a better quality of sand to work with, both by sifting out the cat turds and changing the way it sticks together when worked. Expansions in a themepark are about putting in new rides. Keep expecting themepark expansions in a sandbox game, and you'll keep being disappointed. I think this sums it up perfectly. Yes it does. Fixing stuff (which creates new opportunities) is a million times better than CCP putting in 1 or 2 "jesus features" that no one will use much after the shininess wears off and calling it an expansion.
Lugalbandak Anunnaku Industrial Corp. Northern Associates. 90	Posted - 2013.08.30 16:54:00 - [24] - Quote Prince Kobol wrote: Lugalbandak wrote: Beekeeper Bob wrote: Grauth Thorner wrote: With the new patch coming up, Odyssey 1.1, I really have the idea that suggestions/ideas from players were taken in serious consideration by you, CCP. And I'd like to give you props for that! It makes me a happy man that propositions made by us players aren't simply a waste of time (a feeling I did have in the past). Good work, CCP! I can't wait for 03/09/2013 So you're excited about a rebalance that has been going on for two years, and is still not complete? Meanwhile, they continue to call fixing all the broken mechanics an "expansion"..... rebalance gives lots and lots of content , look around you , check the killboards edit: spoiled brats Why, were people not being killed before the re-balance? tey where , by drakes.... The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back
destiny2 Abh Academy Abh Alliance 165	Posted - 2013.08.30 16:59:00 - [25] - Quote balanceing industry ships sighs, what a waste of time. and effort.
Cipher Jones The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars 818	Posted - 2013.08.30 17:11:00 - [26] - Quote Inokuma Yawara wrote: Beekeeper Bob wrote: Grauth Thorner wrote: With the new patch coming up, Odyssey 1.1, I really have the idea that suggestions/ideas from players were taken in serious consideration by you, CCP. And I'd like to give you props for that! It makes me a happy man that propositions made by us players aren't simply a waste of time (a feeling I did have in the past). Good work, CCP! I can't wait for 03/09/2013 So you're excited about a rebalance that has been going on for two years, and is still not complete? Meanwhile, they continue to call fixing all the broken mechanics an "expansion"..... sigh We're so easy to please...... But in all fairness, I don't think Odyssey 1.1 is an expansion. It's an update (a really big one), not an expansion. I believe if it were an expansion, it would have it's own name. Like "Morass 1.0", then the update would be something like "Morass 1.1" He was referring to the "expansions" of the past several years, not 1.1 patch. Eve is Real
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 4282	Posted - 2013.08.30 18:22:00 - [27] - Quote Rengerel en Distel wrote: I believe most people realize it's not on an individual basis, but as you scale up more players. HS can take an infinite amount of players, because there's no cap on level 4 missions that are handed out. NS can't. Did I miss the memo? When did they make null sec L4 missions players capped? Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 4282	Posted - 2013.08.30 18:24:00 - [28] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Yes it does. Fixing stuff (which creates new opportunities) is a million times better than CCP putting in 1 or 2 "jesus features" that no one will use much after the shininess wears off and calling it an expansion. TBH I quite liked the v3 graphics and later the Apochrypha features beginning with WHs and ending with T3 ships. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 2643	Posted - 2013.08.30 18:34:00 - [29] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Rengerel en Distel wrote: I believe most people realize it's not on an individual basis, but as you scale up more players. HS can take an infinite amount of players, because there's no cap on level 4 missions that are handed out. NS can't. Did I miss the memo? When did they make null sec L4 missions players capped? They didn't. When people are talking about null they mostly mean SOV null as opposed to the other sections of null (npc null and wormholes and yea, wormholes are null sec lol). SOV null has a definite cap on how many players it could support. Same with wormholes. High sec, low sec and NPC null haven't no cap because of missions.
Cipher Jones The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars 818	Posted - 2013.08.30 18:51:00 - [30] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Rengerel en Distel wrote: I believe most people realize it's not on an individual basis, but as you scale up more players. HS can take an infinite amount of players, because there's no cap on level 4 missions that are handed out. NS can't. Did I miss the memo? When did they make null sec L4 missions players capped? They didn't. When people are talking about null they mostly mean SOV null as opposed to the other sections of null (npc null and wormholes and yea, wormholes are null sec lol). SOV null has a definite cap on how many players it could support. Same with wormholes. High sec, low sec and NPC null haven't no cap because of missions. Wormholes are truesec. Eve is Real

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