Oh hey look another "protect me from myself" thread.

So why is it that only 30 to 40 get killed a month?

Depends how kind the loot fairy is that day.

Less than running level 4 missions.

I actually agree. If you're only averaging 40mil per hour in level 4s, you suck at them and should stop doing them in favor of something else.

Come winter if plans don't change we are going to be earning ever more if you get a kronos.

I actually agree. If you're only averaging 40mil per hour in level 4s, you suck at them and should stop doing them in favor of something else.

The ballpark figure I gave him was based on actual averages that can be cross-referenced, but he decided to brush it off because it doesn't match his false belief on the subject which he knows almost nothing about.

baltec claimed that 15+ people made 60b in one day... then claimed that figure matched up with your 2m/hour/person.

Best part is that I never said those words. I gave numbers on what someone with a personal fleet made shooting NPCs

Your numbers are wrong so no I wouldn't have gone with yours. The average freighter ganker will make less than running level 4 missions and nowhere near 2 billion an hour.

And CCP have admitted they got that one wrong.

He has said it multiple times both in threads dotted around and in person.

CCP knows they got it wrong and will be rebalancing barges and exhumers along with EA frigates.

I can however make my ? Go -+.

Same mechanic that stopped most freighters being ganked with the only reasonable force (battleships). Profitablity.

For every low slot added they would have to remove 12% base cargo ( I think thats what a t2 cargo extender gives you) otherwise people could ship capitals into high sec.

I dont want my freighter nerfed in an attempt to fix stupid people.

Precisely the point I was arguing, you did it in a much more succinct fashion though. Zionas 5000% reduction in cost is bullshit.

Back when freighters were added it was possible to insure a battleship and make a profit self destructing it. Add into that the fact that the concord response time was longer and you could gank a freighter for nothing or even at a profit even if nothing dropped. This whole aregument that its cheaper today it utter nonsense.

Concord used to PAY US to gank things and we only needed 6 to 10 battleships to do it. It is now around 100 million and requires 20+ pilots.

We are the people who invented industrialised ganking. Back then concord was much slower in responding and so we needed fewer ships. We also got our stockpiles of gankships when their price fell to the point where they could be insured and make a profit on their death. It was MUCH cheaper back then as these days even the cheapest gank will cost around 100 mil on a freighter.

If we go even further back we get to an age where concord could be tanked and you would find the likes of M0o burning entire systems. You have never been safer than today.

Bat Country has a kill on a Charon on Battleclinic made with 28 T1 fit cats, and 1 talos. That's about 90 million. If they insured and collected mods it'd be something like 20 million.

Also that talos is at least 80 mil just for the hull.

No need, simple to not allow capitals to be put into a hold or not allow them to be assembled in high, or not allow freighters with capital ships in hold to enter high sec or more fun to have customs fine or nuke freighters with banned caps inside... your protestation is just an excuse to not nerf your cash cow.

It didn't. People may have done it that way which doesn't surprise me since Miniluv was the first group to refine the artform (also until about 18 months ago people were still using Battleships & stealth bombers to suicide gank Orca's, yet it wasn't a requirement to do so), but the DPS requirement to bring down a freighter certainly shows that 20+ battleships were not a requirement to kill a freighter in highsec.

If T1 cats being so effective encourages the ganking of freighters & is the cash cow that you seem to believe it is, then why aren't more people doing it?

Im guessing you saw one guy with meta 0 guns on a km with lot of unknowns and just assumed we dont fit t2 or higher meta weapons.

Hell even if you were right thats still 70 mil more than it used to be and requires 20 more pilots.

Because of all the small Ship buffs, Freighter and Jump freighter become really easy to gank in the High Sec.
Normally just say, dont carrie that much in a Freighter or Jumpfreighter but that is not the reason for beeing ganked, its just because its so easy. The Price of a Rhea for example is around 6.5 Billions and has around 300k EHP with Jump Freighter Skill Level 5.
17 Brutix kill this Ship without any risk worth around 1 Billion.
Even 25 Catalysts can destroy a Jump freighter in 0.5 Systems (around 560 DPS for 25 Seconds -> 14k+ Dmg *25 = 350k Dmg).
The Price of one Catalyst is around 12 mio full fittet (t2 with dmg rigs). So you have around 300 million loss for a guranteered Jump Freighter Kill a normal Freighter has less than 200k EHP and will be killed more easier.

Additional every ******* ISBoxer user can build up his own ganking squad like nothing. This combination was seen for example in 1.0 Systems with around 20 tornados between Jita and Amarr. Yes it was an ISBoxer, he was really stupid so he tried to smack in local and every of his alts did the same at the same second.

Please give the freighter and Jump Freighter Pilots a chance to survive in High Sec. They should still be killable by suizid gankers, but it must be in a way that the costs to gank these Ships must be the same than the costs of the ganked ship itself.

You are more likely to be struck by lightning than have your freighter ganked.

They aren't free.

You just nerfed my freighter and forced me to make twice as many trips no matter how I fit the freighter.

We use t2 mostly so I would like to know where to get these cheap things from.

We use t2 mostly so I would like to know where to get these cheap things from.

Infact total incursion income in one month is last reported at 9.6 trillion. We don't even manage to kill a trillion let alone earn that in profits every month.

I get it from the publicly available records.

The shear number of bots out there is proof enough of that.

How about your evidence for the human psyche in your whacky theory?

Still stands that if ganking freighters was easy and massively profitable there would be more than 40 getting ganked a week.

Again, if it was as easy and profitable as you seem to think it is then there would be a lot more people doing it.

This is a pvp focused game. Thousands of corps have no issue with blowing up other people.

I have never flown my freighter AFK nor have I ever stuffed ten billion into its hold.

So why is it that only 30 to 40 get killed a month?

Suicide ganking isn't a taxable activity. I see where you're going wrong here, you don't understand game mechanics.

And it was so profitable, too!

People do this for the profit not the km. Again, if it was as easy and profitable as you seem to think it is then there would be a lot more people doing it.

This is a pvp focused game. Thousands of corps have no issue with blowing up other people.

I like this post. It's a pleasant fiction, kind of like a fairy tale.

Now let's talk about what happens in reality.

Freighter Boy sees that he can now fit a DCII, and squeals with delight at this new buff. However, instead of just fitting the DCII, and becoming even less profitable to gank, Freighter Boy crams even more valuable **** into his hold. Because this is what the greedy, stupid freighter pilots do.

The gankers just add a Talos or two to their catalyst gang, and enjoy an even richer payday.*

Thus is the status quo preserved.

*A Talos or two is hyperbole, because it would take a handful once you buff all that structure. But the fact remains that the status quo would not change.

So wardecs have nothing to do with this thread.

No the op said they should still happen. The entire thread is about suicide ganking not wardecs which are not even mentioned.