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Jennai
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Posted - 2006.01.05 09:57:00 -
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 Originally by: Marvel Master
If you activate a miner, then the ccp client generate every 10 minutes a number that you have to write i a special field. If you dont write this number, the lasers would be deactivated. Because of the reason, that you have put your ore from the cargo into a can, its only some seconds of more work. You have to be stay at your computer
that would have no effect since the isk farmers already have to check in on their macroed barges/apocs every once in a while to make sure they didn't stop mining because they got bumped off the belt or the roid popped or whatever.
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Posted - 2006.01.05 10:51:00 -
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Originally by: Queen Nefertiti
My corp is purely a production corp and for that end we need to be able to mine to be able to produce. The disease of the macro miner has now got huge. We scouted EVERY single belt within 7 jumps of our HQ to find 3 pyrox ROIDS a few scordite and the rest were veld.Everything had been cleared by the macros and farmers. That means that our gane is completely ruined.
a large part of that may be due to macro activity, but it's not entirely their fault. empire belts are apparently not respawning at the usual frequency, and even if there were no macro miners they'd eventually be stripped.
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Posted - 2006.01.05 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Edited by: Ishquar Teh''Sainte on 05/01/2006 11:28:56
Reading through all this posts .. some good ideas at first glance .. but allmost any got a drawback ...
EVE is a game about interaction ... why doesn't CCP interact with e-bay??
Prohibited and Restricted Items
According to this link ... there's the possibility to restrict certain items .. why not prohibit "ingame currency for real cash" offers??
Yeah .. this would mean CCP has to talk with e-bay ..
but hey .. it's worth a try ..
and if e-bay says there's a cut in income for them ... let's donate some money 
if game accounts and items are considered intellectual property, then any MMO company could shut down the sellers through ebay's Verified Rights Owner program.
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Posted - 2006.01.05 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: Fallout2man
Originally by: riprjak
Firstly :) In this case, attacking the buyers will make the gold farmers move elsewhere.
If that's the case then why hasn't arresting people for buying or posessing drugs caused all the dealers to move elsewhere? Oh, that's right, because it doesn't actually stop demand or even slow it. :p
the negative consequences associated with illegal purchases will deter many people from buying. if drugs were legalized, there would be a lot more people using them because they wouldn't have to worry about getting arrested or ripped off by their dealer or fired from their job for failing a drug test. but if it's a situation where it's technically illegal but not really enforced, people lose their fear of the consequences because they figure their chances of getting busted are very small since the authorities don't seem to care.
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Posted - 2006.01.05 12:23:00 -
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Edited by: Jennai on 05/01/2006 12:24:37
Originally by: Specture
Slacker run in with macro miners
clicky
ah, so that's where that crew went. I killed GY36 three times in five hours in oursulaert, then he stopped showing up and I couldn't find him because the locator agents are still broken.
if they've been driven to lowsec then I'm going to have tons of fun with the 100+ macro miners on my buddylist when the locators are fixed.
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Posted - 2006.01.10 03:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ukucia
If there's a person operating all those ships mining in a belt, then we can't touch them. What they are doing is annoying, but complies with the EULA. If those ships are being operated by a macro, then they're breaking the EULA and we can go after them.
they're not manually operating all those ships, they're only running the hauler. all the miners are macroed to dump their ore into the can which is why they can mine forever with no gaps but once they get bumped off the belt or the roid pops, they take 5+ minutes to start mining again.
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Posted - 2006.01.10 09:25:00 -
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Originally by: Ukucia
Actually, that provides evidence that they are manually driven (or using a really, really, really bad bot).
If you're driving 10 ships, it will take you a while to notice a roid pop, or that someone has bumped a miner. A bot would immediately detect a roid pop. A decently-written bot would also try to keep the roid in range.
a few of them have ridiculously complex macros that will react to ore thieves by warping to a different belt or something, and there's one guy whose macro will start insulting you.
but the vast majority of the isk farmers have only a very simple script that does nothing more than move ore to a can. usually they're all set to approach the asteroid they're mining, but they get knocked 40km+ off the belt by mwding BS and it takes forever for them to get back since they never use afterburners even if they have one fitted.
sometimes the hauler pods will sit there for up to 20 minutes after you kill their ship, but I don't know if that's because the hauler was macroed and the guy wasn't checking on it, or if it was human-driven by someone in a sweatshop who spent those 20 minutes being yelled at by his boss for losing another ship.
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Posted - 2006.01.10 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Ukucia
Edited by: Ukucia on 10/01/2006 09:36:59
Originally by: Jennai
but the vast majority of the isk farmers have only a very simple script that does nothing more than move ore to a can.
How do you know this?
Moving ore from one window to another via macro doesn't look any different from the outside than manually moving ore from one window to another. Since Eve plays so nice in windowed mode, you can even place the relevant drag-areas of several clients on a single screen to make manual dragging easier.
Pop their can and replace it? Well, either they've got a sophisticated bot that detected the new can and opened it, or a person did it. A simple drag macro would not be able to open the new can.
if they were dragging the ore to the can manually, they wouldn't take several minutes to notice that they stopped mining for whatever reason.
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Posted - 2006.01.10 22:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ukucia
The vast majority of the complaints in this thread are not about 'macrominers', or bots. They are about farmers.
THE FARMERS ARE MACROING. take half an hour and go test their reaction times yourself.
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Posted - 2006.01.10 23:19:00 -
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Originally by: Qim Tra'ageser
What I mean to say here is that if it weren't working for them, they wouldn't do it. That means you, me, and everyone else needs to stop profiting from them. That means checking your suppliers. Don't just blindly buy from whoever is selling the cheapest (which, by the way, undermines the normal miners, who don't want to sell Tritanium in stacks of 1M for less than 1 ISK apiece). That means being litigious in your pursuit of appealing those obviously macroing. That means, so help me, making life as difficult as possible for these people.
too bad there's no way to stop people from selling to your buy orders
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Posted - 2006.01.11 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Originally by: Posmart
There is a fixed lower limit at which farming becomes impossible, all we need to do is get them there. CCP made a start by removing NPC mineral buy orders.
Odd, I could've sworn it was the Caldari Navy that bought minerals off me not very long ago, was this in the recent rmr-fix patch?
NPC mineral buys have been gone since RMR
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Posted - 2006.01.12 04:58:00 -
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Originally by: Wolfe Dakata
Edited by: Wolfe Dakata on 12/01/2006 02:38:43
Originally by: Wong Wei
Formerly in another channel:
Rats. And perhaps, More Rats...... etc
Here here!
BLoody stonking idea and I second it with all my heart. Covers all bases, keeps the solo npcers happy, sorts the problems out with macroers etc.
Possibly the first solution to keep everyone happy (apart from the afk macroers - they don't count tho :p )
wouldn't fix anything, there are loads of farmers in 0.5-0.6 now. drones kill the rats easily and apparently barges can tank them with civilian shield boosters.
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Posted - 2006.01.12 08:21:00 -
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Originally by: Gian Bal
as mentioned, it already HAS worked that way very succesful after the patch. and now with the red cans they are again able to use jetcans, what increases their mining amount alot.
red cans make no more difference than the huge obvious warning popups did before. if people have been following them around and stealing or destroying all their ore for hours, they sometimes get desperate and try to take the can anyway. the macro miner killboard is still getting plenty of additions every day.
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Posted - 2006.01.17 06:04:00 -
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Originally by: Ukucia
No, eBay enable the ISK sellers to conduct their business. If we suddenly removed all bots, the ISK sellers would still be selling ISK on eBay because bots aren't required to sell ISK. If we also removed them from eBay, they'd be selling ISK on other web sites.
if all bots were gone, there'd be a hell of a lot less supply on ebay. there's hundreds of macro miners in empire at any given time.
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