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Chi chan	Posted - 2006.01.06 02:41:00 - [31] Edited by: Chi chan on 06/01/2006 02:41:54 Well that anouncement is crap, and i'm not interested in it in any way. I've wasps, I payed for them and I'm going to use them, except CCP gives me other heavy drones that do kinetic damage for that time. I'm not willig to play without drones and I'm not willing to buy or use drones that do other damage types. And I'm paying for this game, so I expect it to work. so.. funny anouncement... maybe I'm putting it in my joke folder.
Brannor McThife	Posted - 2006.01.06 02:42:00 - [32] Ok... if I hadn't happened to come waltzing along and actually READ this thread, I would never have known about this. I can't access the announcement because my browser goes into a perpetual loop of "please wait..". Fact is, calling this an exploit, and posting this on the website/forum, is not enough. I can bet you that there are hundreds, if not thousands of people who are going to continue using their Wasp drones, as they have before RMR, blisfully unawair - like I was - that there was anything different about them. Before RMR, I used 2 Praetor and 4 Wasps, now I use 1 Praetor and 2 Wasps...going to carry on doing just that, as I use them to kill turrets and occasionally frigates. Why must I change? Because you say that they what? Don't miss? Geez...I do like 1 mission every few days, sometimes never even using the drones, and if I use the drones just once to kill something, suddenly I'm an exploiter taking advantage of game mechanics and I'll get my character banned/suspended? WTF?! -G
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2006.01.06 02:49:00 - [33] Originally by: xbreaka i fly a phoon and carry 7 wasps on me at all times to fight guristas, with no drones i basiclaly loose have my damage thanks gms.. I for one will continue to use my wasps in 0.0 to rat seeing as i dont expect the npcs to file any tickets against me! FIGHT THE MAN! Rock on, brotha'
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Val Erian	Posted - 2006.01.06 03:00:00 - [35] Yes, all players who are going to use WASP Drones after CCp declared it an Exploit make public announcements here please. It will be much easier to track you down.
Sarela	Posted - 2006.01.06 03:08:00 - [36] In lou of the recent patch, ongoing macro miners operating without accountability, misuse of the ore thief system, nerf after nerf, constant additions of skills just as I start to make progress, which sets me back months. I have decided to suspend my account to persue other games that do not have the above problems. I suppose the final blow was the announcement of the Wasp bug / exploit. These drones are all I have ever used for over a year, and now I cant use them anymore or I will get banned.. I choose to remove that possibility by banning myself, as I have no wish to explore alternatives to change how I play EvE for the next 3 - 6 months till you solve these issues for the next patch. Good luck CCP, and all EVE pilots. I hope to see you in the future either here on eve or in the next virtual universe. ( All my stuff is locked away... so no.. dont ask... LOL )
Saeris Tal'Urduar	Posted - 2006.01.06 03:45:00 - [37] Come on people. Its not a nerf. Wasps are over powered not because they were meant too but because of a mistake, so to use them because of a that is wrong, no matter how you want to justifiy it. I'm sure if people havent seen/read the warning about using them CCP isnt going to swing the hammer at them willy nilly....Hmmm I should say "swing the ban hammer at them willy nilly." (not sure if hammer swings or not..and really have no desire to continue that line of though) Lets all just remain calm-have patience and in a few days we'll all be happy again.
Spy4Hire	Posted - 2006.01.06 03:52:00 - [38] Edited by: Spy4Hire on 06/01/2006 03:54:36 Originally by: Eris Discordia Using them in missions is also an exploit as they give you a advantage due to a game mechanic that needs to be fixed. GM Annoucement IMO don't really care if wasps are bugged, I'll keep using them. Start banning macro exploiters and you can ban me for using wasps. Here, I can give you a list of known petitioned macro users who remain months after they were first identified. If I spit out a single wasp I won't go 2 hours without getting slapped by a GM, much less months.
Saeris Tal'Urduar	Posted - 2006.01.06 04:01:00 - [39] Originally by: Spy4Hire Originally by: Eris Discordia Using them in missions is also an exploit as they give you a advantage due to a game mechanic that needs to be fixed. GM Annoucement IMO don't really care if wasps are bugged, I'll keep using them. Start banning macro exploiters and you can ban me for using wasps. If they catch macro exploiters they do ban them. Your choice of course, me I wouldnt push the GMs on this issue, they stated their position on it clearly.
Spy4Hire	Posted - 2006.01.06 04:11:00 - [40] Originally by: Saeris Tal'Urduar Originally by: Spy4Hire Originally by: Eris Discordia Using them in missions is also an exploit as they give you a advantage due to a game mechanic that needs to be fixed. GM Annoucement IMO don't really care if wasps are bugged, I'll keep using them. Start banning macro exploiters and you can ban me for using wasps. If they catch macro exploiters they do ban them. Your choice of course, me I wouldnt push the GMs on this issue, they stated their position on it clearly. I daresay they do not. I have petitioned the same 2 sets of macro miners 4 times over 3 weeks. If they haven't bothered to take a look by now they are not likely to. I can sit in the belt and watch their macros at work, cycling every 7 mins and 45 seconds (hauler to and from station, barring the times I blow it up). So... Wasps FTW.
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2006.01.06 04:17:00 - [41] Originally by: Spy4Hire I daresay they do not. I have petitioned the same 2 sets of macro miners 4 times over 3 weeks. If they haven't bothered to take a look by now they are not likely to. I can sit in the belt and watch their macros at work, cycling every 7 mins and 45 seconds (hauler to and from station, barring the times I blow it up). So... Wasps FTW. It's illegal to drive above the speed limit, but people still do it. Ergo, I can beat you over the head with an axe and nobody has the right to tell me I did anything wrong. Get a grip, man. ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Ituralde	Posted - 2006.01.06 04:28:00 - [42] Originally by: blood red if only a client patch can fix this does this mean that EVE client is hackable and exploitable? people with even little experience can mod the client, could this possibly be done? I am pretty sure the client patch needs to be done only for the sake of compatability with the servers. I bet if you hax the client than the server will be "OMG HAX" (and by that I mean some kind message that says not compatible or something of the like). Plus, I think they will probably deploy some other fixes, too.
Hamatitio	Posted - 2006.01.06 04:33:00 - [43] All you npcers are bringing up null points. The NPCs wont file a petition against you, therefore you are fine. And in PVP, you can use another damage type :) ----
Gaah	Posted - 2006.01.06 05:13:00 - [44] Missiles also have abnormal tracking capabilities compared to all guns. Is it an exploit to use them now too?! And can I petition the NPCs who always hit me for maximum damage with their missiles? Using items in the way they are intended is NOT an exploit! -- My name is Gaah. It's what I say when my ship blows up.
Dianabolic	Posted - 2006.01.06 05:30:00 - [45] Originally by: Hamatitio All you npcers are bringing up null points. The NPCs wont file a petition against you, therefore you are fine. And in PVP, you can use another damage type :) And we have a winner in the "I can read" contest. It's a shame that the mistake was made, but made it was, use it against NPC's if you wish it doesn't DIRECTLY affect any other pilot. In PvP it has MASSIVE consequences, as per the post I put up earlier yesterday. Far beyond just killing ONE ship. So, less whining. Originally by: Thomas Jefferson A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither.
Driven	Posted - 2006.01.06 06:22:00 - [46] The juxtapositioning of this sticky thread below the one on ISK pharming/macro mining is very revealing. So we have a mistake in a very recent patch which causes a slight combat imbalance and all you can hear is the loud noise of GM's insta-swooping in to declare "EXPLOIT EXPLOIT EXPLOIT". I am betting that this issue affects maybe 5-10% of the player community at most, but apparently its a big deal to CCP. Meanwhile: Several thousand "players" pharm ISK for months and months and months, which affects practically every legitimate player in the game in a very negative way, and in ever-growing swarms, like locusts come to devour the harvest, and the silence from CCP is deafening. Actions speak louder than words.
Galk	Posted - 2006.01.06 06:30:00 - [47] Originally by: Eris Discordia As you can read in the annoucements using these drones is an exploit and if you have lost a ships to them you can go to Ask A Question then go Reimbursement and ask if you can have your ship replaced. Please give as many details as you have regarding your loss as it may help the GM"s to verify these drones were used. Using them in missions is also an exploit as they give you a advantage due to a game mechanic that needs to be fixed. This applies to both tech I and tech II Wasp Drones. GM Annoucement Can we please get clarification on the wasps on NPC missions being classed as an exploit from an offical source in the in game news channel by a GM. Not everybody reads the forums to see this seperate anouncement of wasp usage being classed as an exploit on npc missions. It would be a tad more professional if this anouncement were made by a GM in game. ______ 862 buses later, galks back on the road again:)
Sarela	Posted - 2006.01.06 06:36:00 - [48] Originally by: Driven The juxtapositioning of this sticky thread below the one on ISK pharming/macro mining is very revealing. So we have a mistake in a very recent patch which causes a slight combat imbalance and all you can hear is the loud noise of GM's insta-swooping in to declare "EXPLOIT EXPLOIT EXPLOIT". I am betting that this issue affects maybe 5-10% of the player community at most, but apparently its a big deal to CCP. Meanwhile: Several thousand "players" pharm ISK for months and months and months, which affects practically every legitimate player in the game in a very negative way, and in ever-growing swarms, like locusts come to devour the harvest, and the silence from CCP is deafening. Actions speak louder than words. This sais it all. The only thing I can see that seperates the two is ISK.. and I mean real ISK here. Just for the sake of numbers: 2000 Macro Mining accounts = 24,000 USD per month or 288,000 USD per year. (unconfirmed example figures) 4000 Wasp users = many petitions, unsubscribed accounts, product re-imbursements for digital property lost due to exploit... Hmmm yes... which would I address first... A 1/4 Mil in revenue. or quell a coding error till a server upgrade is completed so that time will allow work on the next patch.. Hmmm..
Dianabolic	Posted - 2006.01.06 06:36:00 - [49] Originally by: Galk Originally by: Eris Discordia As you can read in the annoucements using these drones is an exploit and if you have lost a ships to them you can go to Ask A Question then go Reimbursement and ask if you can have your ship replaced. Please give as many details as you have regarding your loss as it may help the GM"s to verify these drones were used. Using them in missions is also an exploit as they give you a advantage due to a game mechanic that needs to be fixed. This applies to both tech I and tech II Wasp Drones. GM Annoucement Can we please get clarification on the wasps on NPC missions being classed as an exploit from an offical source in the in game news channel by a GM. Not everybody reads the forums to see this seperate anouncement of wasp usage being classed as an exploit on npc missions. It would be a tad more professional if this anouncement were made by a GM in game. You do know this is on the in-game news, right? Originally by: Thomas Jefferson A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither.
Belshamarothx	Posted - 2006.01.06 06:37:00 - [50] Just a thought; but because drones are single damage type specific; the instruction not to use Wasp variants because it is now regarded an exploit gives regular users of the other 3 damage types an unfair advantage which by definition is also an exploit. Surely therefore, the announcement should have been that "the use of all heavy drones is currently considered an exploit until the Wasp variant bug issues have been addressed". Harsh I know; but it would at least be fairer....
DARTHEXIDOUS	Posted - 2006.01.06 06:41:00 - [51] For the hard of understanding:You cant use wasps 1&2 drones due to exploit simple hey. So use mediums or what ever till they sort problem out.Overcome and adapt is my moto.
Rexthor Hammerfists	Posted - 2006.01.06 06:57:00 - [52] gms devs etc, i feel for u guys..
Mister Meaner	Posted - 2006.01.06 07:17:00 - [53] Great thing i read for forums at work, first most of the drone changes are pretty much broken, now it is an exploit to use heavys of 1 damage type. So are ccp going to reimurse me for a month on meanys account, for screwing up my gameplay with a programming fault then screaming exploit when it was there own fault it happened. Drones are my major damage or were since i guess i cant play meany till the patch, wouldnt want to miss another announcement and get banned for exploitation due to CCP errors. Really really really not happy with this announcement at all.
Crayathan	Posted - 2006.01.06 07:35:00 - [54] Erm......I hate exploits as much as the next person, but I must say this is pushing the boundries, wasps are a primary combat weapon just turning round and saying "opps we screwed up they are now an exploit" is just whacked Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil
Moadyb	Posted - 2006.01.06 07:47:00 - [55] I can't believe what I'm reading here! Dear CCP, please note that not all players are bloody idiots. What you did is the best course of action, and 99% of Eve do see it that way too. Also, I wouldn't mind if you would ban everyone who bitshed in this thread, we are better off without them.
sonofollo	Posted - 2006.01.06 08:05:00 - [56] DISABLE WASP DROENS IN THE GAME UNTIL IT IS FIXED CCP ITS AS SIMPLE AS THAT - MAKE IT THEY CANT BE PUT INTO THE DRONE BAY OR DEPLOYED UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE - TAKE NOTE OF SIMPLE LOGIC Im a happy little camper now - CCP 4tw.
SpaceKing	Posted - 2006.01.06 08:25:00 - [57] yeah lets disable all drones, could be fun since i have been reading drone skills for a long time and have been concetrating on the wasp II and now i cant do nothing, this sucks, get it fixed...
SengH	Posted - 2006.01.06 08:27:00 - [58] Oh noes.. someone took out my travelling shuttle the other day with WASP drones... maybe I should petition? /emote runs before all the ppl with more important petitions of faction loot pile on him :P
Uncle Angus	Posted - 2006.01.06 09:10:00 - [59] Edited by: Uncle Angus on 06/01/2006 09:10:25 I was using Wasps in a combat mission the other day - unaware of this "advantage" they have - and unfortunately for me they all got destroyed... So they're obviously not that good!! Guess I should hold off buying new ones for now, though...
Matthew	Posted - 2006.01.06 09:16:00 - [60] Originally by: sonofollo DISABLE WASP DROENS IN THE GAME UNTIL IT IS FIXED CCP ITS AS SIMPLE AS THAT - MAKE IT THEY CANT BE PUT INTO THE DRONE BAY OR DEPLOYED UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE - TAKE NOTE OF SIMPLE LOGIC Of course, disabling them completely is an even bigger change than just fixing them, so would inevitably require a similar level of patching. Which means that the earliest point at which they could disable them is also the earliest point at which they could fix them, so the disabling step would serve no purpose. Given the delay between this fault being known, and the exploit announcement being made, I'd say that the GMs have held off on it for as long as they could, in the hope that players would act responsibly over the issue. However, now that it's become clear that this isn't happening, and many players are deliberately using this fault to their advantage, the GMs would have been left with no other choice. ------- There is no magic Wand of Fixing, and it is not powered by forum whines.

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