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Cervictor
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Posted - 2003.08.21 21:51:00 -
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International English is a bit of an insult to English people (that is people from ENGLAND). Most people from around the world learn English as it is spoken and written in English. Learning how to spell the word "colour" as it should be spelt in England.
All Europeans learn English as it is written in England (let's call it "Proper English"). So please tell me (as I would love to be proven wrong) which countries learn English as the Americans speak and spell it and do these countries outnumber the countries that speak and spell it the "Proper English" way.
From this I'm sure that you'll have noticed that in my opinion, International English should be exactly the same as "Proper English".
Is this America trying to force the world into accepting that their form of English should be the generally accepted form? 
Perhaps the language on the help should be called American, with a seperate section for "Proper English"...
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Dragon Emperor
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Posted - 2003.08.21 22:04:00 -
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Edited by: Dragon Emperor on 21/08/2003 22:06:05
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International English is a bit of an insult to English people (that is people from ENGLAND). Most people from around the world learn English as it is spoken and written in English. Learning how to spell the word "colour" as it should be spelt in England.
All Europeans learn English as it is written in England (let's call it "Proper English"). So please tell me (as I would love to be proven wrong) which countries learn English as the Americans speak and spell it and do these countries outnumber the countries that speak and spell it the "Proper English" way.
From this I'm sure that you'll have noticed that in my opinion, International English should be exactly the same as "Proper English".
Is this America trying to force the world into accepting that their form of English should be the generally accepted form?
Perhaps the language on the help should be called American, with a seperate section for "Proper English"...
who care about "proper english"? language is language, if country A use color, then it's THE proper word for country A. if they are using colour in another country B, then it's the proper word for country B. language is changing EVERYDAY, the proper language 100 years age is different than the proper language now. you british people is just ridiculous.
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Cervictor
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Posted - 2003.08.21 22:11:00 -
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My point was that you can't call American English "International English" as most of the International community speak "Proper English".
I never said that it was wrong for Americans to spell colour as color. Don't know where you got that from, I was mearly using it as an example that was mentioned earlier on.
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Hematic
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Posted - 2003.08.21 22:16:00 -
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""Can someone explain this? I thought it was a measurement of length... I could be wrong though.""
It is length. The length however has a meaning. When using any type of lever device, ratchet, steering wheel etc... the further away you move on the lever the more force you can generate. For example if a nut were to take 500 pounds to loosen I could simply apply 50 pounds 9 inches out on the handle and loosen it.
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The Wretch
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Posted - 2003.08.21 22:16:00 -
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Most people around the world associate english with the USA. Right or wrong it is just the way it is. Why does it even matter as long as you know it means english?
The Wretch
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Koda
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Posted - 2003.08.21 22:23:00 -
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There is a definite difference between American English and proper English.
Being an American I think we only speak "English" when it suits us and trash it the rest of the time (not agreeing with this practice just stating). l33t speak probably started here (sigh).
This just another example of the world catering to the US's enormous ego. I wish they wouldn't do that.
And for the record - I think British accents are cool too.
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Aerin Osaa
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Posted - 2003.08.21 22:30:00 -
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Most people around the world associate english with the USA.
isn't that because half of them hate the US (for such things as microsoft ;)) while the other half are in debt to them? (also, i would disagree with that statement - they think of England)
And why does everyone drag up colour as the example? why not aluminium?
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Ezra Vouland
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Posted - 2003.08.21 22:30:00 -
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Go USA
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Torque Mada
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Posted - 2003.08.21 22:36:00 -
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Hehe, now the English get a feel for what we Scots have been putting up with for centuries.
Were referred to as English. So you can have your language referred to as American.
Nah nah nee nah nah 'n all that jazz.
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Milos Oberonov
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Posted - 2003.08.21 22:41:00 -
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I've travelled quite extensively across the US, backpacking and what not. My backpack had a large'ish Union Jack sewn onto the back and trus' me it earned me loads of respect. Americans jus' 'lurv' us Brits, and they can't get enough of that 'English' accent. I collected enough anecdotes to last me a life time. I won't bore you with them, but some Americans (just a few) think London can be reached by train.  - straight up.
Well it can, if you're in Dover... or even Calais. 
But that was hardly the fun sort of ribbing I was hoping for. Now you've got my curiosity piqued with those "boring" anecdotes.
Care to share?
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SkyLeach
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Posted - 2003.08.21 22:55:00 -
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Edited by: SkyLeach on 22/08/2003 02:48:46
The Union jack isnt the flag for England either, its the flag for England, Wales, N.Ireland, Scotland, and our Islands.
Some of those other countries and islands have their own Languages. Ive yet to meet an american who sees an English flag and doesent go "whats that.. Swiss flag?"
Not many people know it, but they know the stars and stripes. so.. you could pick at it however it was done.
http://www.koscoflags.com/Hist.St.Georges_Cross.jpg
Also, if you look at world flags... look at how many of them have a union jack on them in the top left corner... theres crap loads of them.
Pictures not allowed, image changed to a link - Wrangler
my god your a jobsworth Wrangler, im sure you make this crap up as you go along.
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Swifthand
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Posted - 2003.08.21 23:08:00 -
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Edited by: Swifthand on 21/08/2003 23:10:05
1. See the people of england don't understand. They speak english beta 0.1, the USA speaks English 2.1 (gold)
So of course it is the one listed.
2. While I am sure the metric system (based on the ten *digits) goes over well in third world countries, where people do not need to take their shoes off to count to 10 the imperial system based on the 12 radians of a circle works better.
Of course having to multyply everything by 12 can get confusing too some, but we in the US dont have to make ourselves sound more important. This is why our women have a problem with measurments. ALl their lives they are taught that 5" is actually 12" but can you imaging the mess if they were taught it was 30.48.
*digits as in fingers and toes.
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Cervictor
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Posted - 2003.08.21 23:18:00 -
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There are only 2*pie radians in a circle which is just over 1/2 of the 12 you think there are.
Looks like you need a system which uses your fingers and your toes, because it doesn't actually look like you can count.
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Swifthand
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Posted - 2003.08.21 23:26:00 -
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Edited by: Swifthand on 21/08/2003 23:29:00
Dang it, I left out the part about the math..
In the US Pye R round, Cornbread R Square.
And everone knows that there are 12 slices on any pie and even Pizza in the US. These are defined by 30 deg radians, now for the brass ring... why 30 degs?
DOH,,, well hint, has to do with the cartesian cordanate system.
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Cervictor
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Posted - 2003.08.21 23:31:00 -
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Dictionary definition:
RADIAN: A unit of angular measure equal to the angle subtended at the center of a circle by an arc equal in length to the radius of the circle, approximately 57¦17'44.6"
I think the word segment is the one you are looking for :P
How can a language that doesn't even use words according to their correct meanings be called english???
Version 2.1 Gold must have been produced by Microsoft....
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LURCH1
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Posted - 2003.08.21 23:31:00 -
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You have nothing better to do than to complain about stupid stuff. This is very childish. everyone needs to just drop it and move on. 
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Kynoch
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Posted - 2003.08.21 23:32:00 -
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Hehe, now the English get a feel for what we Scots have been putting up with for centuries.
Were referred to as English. So you can have your language referred to as American.
Nah nah nee nah nah 'n all that jazz.
Scots kick ass...literally and figuratively. hoot mon!
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BrazHos
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Posted - 2003.08.21 23:34:00 -
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True (original poster) about English coming from 1 country.. not the USA.. but since we kicked all your asses, we now own the rights to everything, so get back to the pub and continue drowning in your sorrow. :)
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WhiteDwarf
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Posted - 2003.08.21 23:40:00 -
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"Since when has the American flag usurped the Union Jack as the symbol for 'English' in the help section?"
Oh, I don't know...
Maybe becuase the American Dollar has taken over as the world currency, and the American flag goes right along with that.
If you want to make American Dollars, you need to speak and communicate through the American form of English, not that bastardized version used in the UK.
We own you all...
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SkyLeach
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Posted - 2003.08.21 23:42:00 -
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Edited by: SkyLeach on 21/08/2003 23:46:30
Actually, if you are refereing to the civil war we kicked our own asses.
also, the rebels got their butts handed to them in almost every battle. But won the war, if it wasnt for the French, and our countries interests in other parts of the empire, you would all still be British.
And whitedwarf... the American version is the bastardised version. (note, no Z in that word) reason? most of the people sent to the "new world" where illiterate peasants and pety theives... and it went from there. I dont want to make $. The Russians have all the USD anyway
*nb* please dont turn this into a "we own j00" rant thread, what i said above is factual, but also posted in a jokily way.
PS. we pwn j00.
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Swifthand
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Posted - 2003.08.21 23:47:00 -
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Degree/Radian CircleIn everyone's experience it is usual to measure angles in degrees. We learn early in childhood that there are 360 degrees in a circle, that there are 90 degrees in a right angle, and that the angle of an equilateral triangle contains 60 degrees. On the other hand, to scientists, engineers, and mathematicians it is usual to measure angles in radians.
Again, the hint is "using the cartesian cordinate system"...
As any 1st year draftsman knows. A radian is line segment drawn from the center of a circle out at a distance and degree (also know as the run and fall) but this is a very american concept.
Again,,,
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Cervictor
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Posted - 2003.08.21 23:53:00 -
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Wasn't that a Greek concept?
Is this another example of how something has been bastardised and called American, when it clearly isn't?
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IZON
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Posted - 2003.08.22 00:00:00 -
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The Union jack isnt the flag for England either, its the flag for England, Wales, N.Ireland, Scotland, and our Islands.
Some of those other countries and islands have their own Languages. Ive yet to meet an american who sees an English flag and doesent go "whats that.. Swiss flag?"
Not many people know it, but they know the stars and stripes. so.. you could pick at it however it was done.
http://www.koscoflags.com/Hist.St.Georges_Cross.jpg
Also, if you look at world flags... look at how many of them have a union jack on them in the top left corner... theres crap loads of them.
For those that don't know, the Flag displayed above is the 'St.George'. It's England's national flag. And is quite distinct from the Union Jack which most people are familiar with.
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Eidas
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Posted - 2003.08.22 00:17:00 -
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The English have to accept that the USA is the dominant force on the planet. No one can dispute that. But smaller countries have as much right to defend their heritage as anyone. Americans shouldn't feel they can ride roughshod over other peoples cultures and any English person is within their rights to be affronted by the fact that their language is being hijacked by another culture. Irrespective of who has the most recognisable flag, the English language should be represented by the English flag. To do otherwise is bigoted, small-minded and offensive. It is tantamount to racism.
Violence is the last resort of the incompetent. - Isaac Asimov |
IZON
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Posted - 2003.08.22 00:24:00 -
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Edited by: IZON on 22/08/2003 00:26:37
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The English have to accept that the USA is the dominant force on the planet. No one can dispute that. But smaller countries have as much right to defend their heritage as anyone. Americans shouldn't feel they can ride roughshod over other peoples cultures and any English person is within their rights to be affronted by the fact that their language is being hijacked by another culture. Irrespective of who has the most recognisable flag, the English language should be represented by the English flag. To do otherwise is bigoted, small-minded and offensive. It is tantamount to racism.
Thank you Eidas, as they say in the House Of Commons, 'here-here'.
CCP will you please consider replacing the American ensign with a British one, it makes perferct sense, or as somebody suggested, just have text instead.
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Eidas
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Posted - 2003.08.22 00:46:00 -
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Before the forum moderators lock this thread for not being directly related to Eve, I suggest that anyone who feels that the English language is wrongly represented by an American symbol places a bug report or perhaps even a petition as it is clearly an oversight on the part of the developers.
Violence is the last resort of the incompetent. - Isaac Asimov |
Lliad
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Posted - 2003.08.22 01:08:00 -
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Edited by: Lliad on 22/08/2003 01:22:13
I want to see the weight of the ships in stones and pounds. And the length in feet and inches. Take ur American english and metric system else where.
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'but since we kicked all your asses, we now own the rights to everything, so get back to the pub and continue drowning in your sorrow. :)'
I do recall that Britian ruled your little country for a rather long time. Also the last time we were in a war when u delightfull ppl invaded Canada. We sent over troops after we delt with the french, use ran away back to your contry like carebares and begged for peace.
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Plim
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Posted - 2003.08.22 01:17:00 -
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It would have amused me more if they had used the English flag to represent the American language
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Tibor Ferenc
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Posted - 2003.08.22 01:31:00 -
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Edited by: Tibor Ferenc on 22/08/2003 01:33:51
Josh most americans dont know where anything outside the US is (just ask Bush).
Josh from one mackam to another "had away an ****e"
TF,
The LBC
ps. CCP put the right flag up pls.
http://mmogcenter.com/tiborsig.jpg
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Milos Oberonov
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Posted - 2003.08.22 01:37:00 -
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...since we kicked all your asses, we now own the rights to everything, so get back to the pub and continue drowning in your sorrow. :)
That is one thing I'll give the English... they know how to brew beer. For me, top-fermented is where it's at.
Of course, the reason the English became so good at brewing was to take their minds off the cuisine... 
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