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Zoltaris
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Posted - 2006.01.08 16:31:00 -
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Edited by: Zoltaris on 08/01/2006 16:33:35
I'm upgrading my computer, and i'm going for a mid range Graphic cards, now, i'm wondering which between a ATI X800 GT and GeForce 6600 GT would be better to run EVE
EVE is the game i play the most, and that's for over 2 years and a half, so it make perfect sense for me to go with the Graphic Card that would be the best for EVE
They seem quite equivalent with each other, but what about drivers?
And does anyone got problem running EVE with either of the Graphic Cards?
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Sable Schroedinger
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Posted - 2006.01.08 16:33:00 -
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I run on the geforce 6600GT and its fine. Can't compare it to the ATI as I've never tried it.
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M3ta7h3ad
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Posted - 2006.01.08 16:34:00 -
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about as much between it as saying whats better to drink, Still water, or Sparkling water.
(okay.. lets forget the fact that sparkling water rots your teeth due to carbonic acid.  )
Either one will run EVE with ease. I currently run it on a 9800pro, and used to run it just the same on a TI4800se.
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.01.08 16:34:00 -
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Edited by: Hllaxiu on 08/01/2006 16:34:59
Between the X800 GT and the 6600 GT, the X800 is the better card. The equivlanet nvidia series of the X800 is the 6800, 6600s are former mid-range line, and now bumped down to bargain line. Really you should be looking at either a X800GTO or a 6800GS - both should be right at $200 give or take $10.
I have an AGP X800GTO and everything looks great in EVE. It isn't enough for everything in F.E.A.R. though! 
(And no, this post didn't really say which one is better. Take a pick, they're roughly the same, zealots nonwithstanding)
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Zephirz
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Posted - 2006.01.08 16:40:00 -
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I run eve on a 32mb vid card 
buy them both and send the worst to me plz 
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Andrue
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Posted - 2006.01.08 17:01:00 -
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 Originally by: Zephirz
I run eve on a 32mb vid card
buy them both and send the worst to me plz
I dispute your use of the verb 'run'. Hope you get something better sometime soon 
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Zoltaris
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Posted - 2006.01.08 17:11:00 -
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Edited by: Zoltaris on 08/01/2006 17:13:05
Well, my current Graphic Card is a GeForce 4 MX 460, it's fine when i run a single account, but running 2 accounts at once is sluggish to say the least
Originally by: Hllaxiu
Between the X800 GT and the 6600 GT, the X800 is the better card. The equivlanet nvidia series of the X800 is the 6800
In my computer store, both the X800 GT and the 6600 GT are priced at $215 Can, that must be something like $140 US, and when i looked at some reviews of both cards, they seem quite on Par, The X800 GT being better for some game and the 6600 GT being better for others (6600 GT is better than X800 GT for running Doom 3 for exemple)
So, i was wondering which one would be the best for EVE, but i guess that's impossible to test unless someone that would have both cards would actually compare them running EVE, which i think will never happen 
Then, i guess it comes down to the drivers and the bundle coming with the cards, to me, NVidia always had better drivers than ATI, but that may not be true anymore
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Zikke
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Posted - 2006.01.08 17:15:00 -
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I got the X800 for Christmas, and it's amazing. I can run two monitors, and any game of mine. :)
Go for the X800! :)
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britishfish
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Posted - 2006.01.08 17:17:00 -
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Edited by: britishfish on 08/01/2006 17:17:20
im running a XFX GeForce 6800 GS 256MB and Eve runs awsome.
and in reply to topic i would say 6600 GT because im an nvidia guy 
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Malka Badi'a
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Posted - 2006.01.08 17:33:00 -
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I currenty use an ASUS GeForce 6600GT and it's an incredible powerhouse. It has similar capability to the 6800GS but the 6800GT does have a noticible preformance difference.
Also I've always trusted Nvidia drivers over ATI for their stability, more updates, added speed, and a generally intuitive driver interface that doesn't leave you going 'huh?'. I'll say go for Nvidia just for the compatability it has with linux and the amazing driver support offered by Nvidia.
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DJTheBaron
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Posted - 2006.01.08 17:49:00 -
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i run eve as well as the rmr client lets me on 2 accounts using a 6600gt, but i can also run it just as well on my fx5900
nvidia 4tw
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Zoltaris
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Posted - 2006.01.08 18:06:00 -
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Edited by: Zoltaris on 08/01/2006 18:11:52
I was also thinking of going with a Motherboard with 2 PCI-Express slots, so that i can put a 2nd 6600 GT later on (like in a year) in a SLI config, is that a good idea?
Or would i be better to go with a standard 1 PCI-Express Motherboard and use the extra $35 US i'll save to get a slightly better Card?
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Malka Badi'a
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Posted - 2006.01.08 18:11:00 -
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I have an SLI motherboard (ASUS a8n premium) and it's really quite the difference. Even without a dual-card setup (yet) the 16x speed of PCI-E compared to the 8x speed of AGP is quite noticible. If you can afford the slightly more expensive SLI motherboards and the slightly more expensive SLI video cards, then I'd say go for it. The improved motherboard to card speed is wonderful and the SLI technology is where the future is already heading.
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Mathmatics
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Posted - 2006.01.08 18:34:00 -
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Nvidia is hands down beter for eve, because you can use digital viberance which imo is the way eve was ment to be played. It bring out colors you will never ever see on a radeon.
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.01.08 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Mathmatics
Nvidia is hands down beter for eve, because you can use digital viberance which imo is the way eve was ment to be played. It bring out colors you will never ever see on a radeon.
...actually I've played in both, and I say the opposite
...mind you i'm comparing an old GF4mx440 to an ATI 9600 tho
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Ramov Tinoga
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Posted - 2006.01.08 19:55:00 -
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Edited by: Ramov Tinoga on 08/01/2006 19:58:52
Originally by: Zoltaris
And does anyone got problem running EVE with either of the Graphic Cards?
I have an X800GTO running with Omega Drivers and never had any problems and no more hardware caused client side lag.
Can't say anything about the 6600GT as I bought the HIS X800 GTO IceQ II Turbo instead.
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BloodSpoon
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Posted - 2006.01.08 19:56:00 -
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ATI x800 no ifs ands or buts
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.01.08 19:57:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 08/01/2006 19:57:23
Eve is CPU-limited, so either will be great for speed.
I'd go with the ATI and use the omega drivers, personally.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.01.08 19:58:00 -
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They're not comparable--the x800 is more powerful. Compared the x700 to the 6600GT.
However, EVE is CPU limited, so they'll be basically the same in EVE.
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Malka Badi'a
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Posted - 2006.01.08 20:02:00 -
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When ATI starts keeping up to date with their Linux drivers and can finally make their Catalyst drivers stable (yes, they work, but the interface is ghastly) then I'll recommend ATI. Wait, on second though. I'd most likely thank ATI for their improvements but I'd continue to recommend the company that has already continued stable windows and linux support.
Careful of hardware that limits you to a singular operating system.
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ErrorS
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Posted - 2006.01.08 20:46:00 -
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please, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE stop spreading misinformation. Unless you know 100% what you're talking about, don't give help. You can cause people to make the wrong buying decisions.. for some people, $150 isn't easy to throw away.
That being said.. X800GT is NOT the X800Pro, XL, or XT .. it's a totally different card. It's quite a bit slower than an X800XL or XT.
http://www.insanetek.com/review.php?id=161&page=2
omg, a review? no ****, where? Zoltaris, you should always read reviews before making decisions when it comes to purchasing PC parts. Don't EVER trust the model number/name. X800 is a generic term for cards that perform from the level of a 6600 (non-GT) to just barely below the X1800XL. Crappy way of naming cards but it grabs the uninformed, makes them think it's more of a card than it is and .. well, basically tricks them into buying it.
I've owned both nVidia and ATi cards
Geforce1
Radeon1
Radeon8500
Radeon9700
Radeon X300
Geforce 6600GT
Radeon X1800XL
Eve runs great on a 6600GT but dont' expect 60fps all the time and definitely don't expect high levels of FSAA or AF while maintaining decent FPS.. but overall they'll play Eve Online just fine.
X800GT is a bit faster than the 6600GT (as shown in the review) I love ATi, their drivers are just fine for me. Though you might not be happy with Catalyst Control center, overall the cards are stable and do what they're suppose to do.
nVidia is just fine as well. Both cards are good but the ATi one is a bit faster. What are you planning on spending on the card? You might be better of spending an extra $50 and getting something better. Depends on how high you're willing to go or what you're spending on either of these cards.
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ErrorS
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Posted - 2006.01.08 20:53:00 -
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err, i read the whole thread but didn't realize one of the posts were yours.
Trust me, ATi drivers are fine. Considering they release 1 new set a month, compared to the 1 set every few months of nVidia.. just, things seem to get fixed a lot faster with ATi.
and are you sure it's a GT and not a GTO? GTO is a different card.
Forget about SLI for a 6600GT, you would be better off spending $220 (about $280 CAD) on a 6800GS or X800XL. and I'm sure by the time you want to upgrade to SLI you'll be able to buy a single card, faster than SLI 6600GTs for around the same price as a replacement 6600GT. (6800GS is a perfect example)
I really would recommend going for something a bit better, maybe an X800XL or 6800GS RIGHT NOW. Trust me, you wont regret it. Both these cards can handle FSAA in huge fleet battles without dropping below 60fps very often.
dunno if he still does but anandtech.com use to benchmark with Eve, I'll see if I can find some reviews using Eve as a benchmark for you.
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ErrorS
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Posted - 2006.01.08 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: Mathmatics
Nvidia is hands down beter for eve, because you can use digital viberance which imo is the way eve was ment to be played. It bring out colors you will never ever see on a radeon.
what? ATi has a contrast and saturation setting in their drivers?
you realize that's all DV is, right?
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Obodi
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Posted - 2006.01.08 20:57:00 -
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I have one PC running a 6600GT and another running an older ATI X800 Pro. The ATI looks better.
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Dante Chusuk
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Posted - 2006.01.08 21:34:00 -
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I had a Nvidia 6600 in my PC but have lent it to a mate once I aquired and unlocked an ATi (Sapphire branded) X800Pro VIVO.
Even before I modded the X800 I thought it was a better card, with the extra 4 pipelines open and sitting at XT (non-PE) speeds it is really great. One day I will sit down and V-mod it so that it has enough juice to run XT PE speeds, after all the Sapphire Pro VIVOs were XTs that didn't make the PE grade (generally due to voltage tolerances) and have been BIOS locked to 12 pipelines.
As for the "supposed" driver instability someone mentioned earlier? Never been a problem, run a dual boot Linux box with an old ATi 9000 and latest Cats/Linux drivers and all seems fine. Run Omega modified Cats on the main PC (this one with X800) and they do provide a bit of a performance improvement ... plus the bundled ATi Tray Tools makes "fiddling" with settings easier.
If your X800 doesn't have a "second slot" sized cooler then I'd recommend the Arctic Silencer range (well I'd recommend it for Nvidia cards as well as they do both), easy to fit and makes a big difference in noice and card temperature.
Please note some of the above modifications may in fact void your warranty.
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Zoltaris
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Posted - 2006.01.08 21:36:00 -
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Thanks a lot for your very detailed and informative reply ErrorS, i have one last question, lets say that i wait a little and save cash for a high end card instead, if i go with a GeForce 7800 GT or GTX, would it then be a good option to get a motherboard with 2 PCI-Express slots to add a 2nd GeForce 7800 GT or GTX in a SLI config something like in 2 years, once their price will be quite cheaper, or would it be better to stick with a 7800 GT, GTX or a ATI X800XL for 3 or 4 years instead and change it for what will be a high end card then?
I just can't afford to buy a high end card every 2 years... i must either go for a mid-range card that i can change more often or go with high-end but keep it longer
SLI seem like a good option to give a second life to a high-end card that is getting a little old
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Hunter Lightspeed
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Posted - 2006.01.08 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: Zoltaris
SLI seem like a good option to give a second life to a high-end card that is getting a little old
Hope u dont mind if i borrow ur thread for one moment. I am not a wiz when it comes to stuff like this so could some kind soul pls explain to me what SLI is? I keep seeing it in MB and GFX card conversations all over. Thanks.
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Dante Chusuk
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Posted - 2006.01.08 21:51:00 -
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Edited by: Dante Chusuk on 08/01/2006 21:52:40
Edited by: Dante Chusuk on 08/01/2006 21:52:14
SLI is where you use an adaptor to combine the output of two SLI capable PCI-e graphics cards. I think SLI is Nvidia's name while ATi's is Crossfire but don't quote me on that. One issue with SLI is that I don't think you can run dual monitors ...
HTH ... I'd check out ATI's or Nvidia's website for a more technical explanation :)
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.01.08 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: Neesa Corrinne
Although the name sounds cool and it really makes some games look beautiful, it couldn't even begin to play other games. KOTR II crashed constantly and repeatedly and I eventually had to get my money back on that game.
That was Bioware's problem, not ATI's. You had to set something in the *.ini config file that made Onderon (or whtaever) playable.
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Macel
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Posted - 2006.01.08 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: Malka Badi'a
I have an SLI motherboard (ASUS a8n premium) and it's really quite the difference. Even without a dual-card setup (yet) the 16x speed of PCI-E compared to the 8x speed of AGP is quite noticible.
Actually, its not noticeable. Because there is none. AGP 8X is just as fast as PCI-e 16x. It's just that PCI-E and both read to and write from the card at that speed where as AGP uses the same bandwidth for both channels. But since video games have no reason to write to the card, this difference causes no improvement over AGP.
PCI-E was a very, very well marketed gimmick and now its becoming mainstream. Eventually it will be faster than AGP, and it will be better because you have one universal bus for everything, that doesnt use IRQs, but right now its about the same.
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