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Mirima Thurander
Deventer Exploration An Acquisition
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Posted - 2011.10.30 00:47:00 -
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Is there any reason to keep local chat in null?
If its because of it being an easy mode Intel tool that's a reason to remove it.
I'm not happy with the amount of hate mail I'm getting ingame yet more please.
I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh. |
Sentient Blade
Walk It Off
Coalition of the Unfortunate
37
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Posted - 2011.10.30 00:52:00 -
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Because hitting the dscan button every 30 seconds is tedious in the extreme. Forcing constant manual scanning would game enjoyment.
Not to mention completely unrealistic as-is because even now, x-thousand years before EvE, you don't have people sitting on warships pushing a button to make the radar go around once every while. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.10.30 00:53:00 -
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Nope. Never seen this thread before. |
Mirima Thurander
Deventer Exploration An Acquisition
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Posted - 2011.10.30 00:54:00 -
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Sentient Blade wrote:Because hitting the dscan button every 30 seconds is tedious in the extreme. Forcing constant manual scanning would game enjoyment.
Not to mention completely unrealistic as-is because even now, x-thousand years before EvE, you don't have people sitting on warships pushing a button to make the radar go around once every while.
So you like having an easy mode intel tool then?
Katrina Oniseki wrote:Nope. Never seen this thread before.
i know right?
I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
30
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Posted - 2011.10.30 00:54:00 -
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well look at it.
Removing of locals been discussed many times. And it will stay just in somewhat tweaked version.
If alliances took their time to secure an region they should have an tool to provide optimal defence for it.
Blob wars are there to stay.
Question is for nullbears .. are there any ?
I mean what possibly an nullbear can do right now.. anomalies ?? hmm one system for few houndred people that would work well,
Mining only possiblity but nobody will give it an try. So basically it will change nothing. Null sec changes somewhat drove the nullbears away of null since they cant keep up with their formerly good isk/hr ratio.
Better idea how to improve small gank movement in enemy nullsec would be different gates to different systems with "maximum mass allowed" That would determine that an small gank could move more freely than an enemy/friendly blob. Better yet programable/interractive gates. when you chose your destinatin and it will let you somewhere nearby the constelation you chose to.
Dont know, i havent gave it much thought but thats about what i get why people wants to get rid off the intel chanells .. is to gank effectively. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
64
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Posted - 2011.10.30 00:55:00 -
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Sentient Blade wrote:Because hitting the dscan button every 30 seconds is tedious in the extreme. Forcing constant manual scanning would game enjoyment.
Not to mention completely unrealistic as-is because even now, x-thousand years before EvE, you don't have people sitting on warships pushing a button to make the radar go around once every while.
You'd accidently the whole system!
Our AEGIS radar systems watch 360 all the time, it's like having a real time Directional scanner that you never have to do anything with
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Morganta
Peripheral Madness
The Midget Mafia
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Posted - 2011.10.30 00:55:00 -
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the OP should be castrated with a plastic fork
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Large Collidable Object
morons.
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Posted - 2011.10.30 00:55:00 -
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It also gives you Carpal tunnel syndrome - CCP should introduce a proper radar (like in the earths late 1940's) and get rid of local...
morons-áare recruiting. We're good at breeding! |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova
Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.30 00:55:00 -
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YES.
Its the best place to get everyone's attention.
GÇ£Status quo, you know, is Latin for 'the mess we're in.GÇ¥
~ Ronald Reagan |
Sentient Blade
Walk It Off
Coalition of the Unfortunate
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Posted - 2011.10.30 00:56:00 -
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Mirima Thurander wrote:So you like having an easy mode intel tool then?
Yes - it saves me from getting repetitive strain injury. |
Demon View
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.30 00:56:00 -
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If you're genuinely curious, start here. But don't bother looking for the thoughtful rebuttals. |
Mirima Thurander
Deventer Exploration An Acquisition
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Posted - 2011.10.30 00:58:00 -
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Sentient Blade wrote:Mirima Thurander wrote:So you like having an easy mode intel tool then? Yes - it saves me from getting repetitive strain injury.
To bad there's no such thing as easy mode EvE.
Demon View wrote:If you're genuinely curious, start here. But don't bother looking for the thoughtful rebuttals.
Wow what a rage post.
I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh. |
Mirima Thurander
Deventer Exploration An Acquisition
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Posted - 2011.10.30 01:01:00 -
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boo bad fourms
I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh. |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
KUGUTSUMEN.
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Posted - 2011.10.30 01:03:00 -
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As much as I would like to see local removed. Just removing local would be bad. Until they redo D-scan and add in some defensive scanning ability I don't see local being removed. It would be a hunters paradise and a preys worst nightmare.
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T' Elk
Clearly Compensating
The Dark Triad
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Posted - 2011.10.30 01:05:00 -
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Morganta wrote:the OP should be castrated with a plastic fork
AAAAAAH MY SELF RESPECT :3
God wears-áRay Ban Aviators. |
Mirima Thurander
Deventer Exploration An Acquisition
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Posted - 2011.10.30 01:07:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:As much as I would like to see local removed. Just removing local would be bad. Until they redo D-scan and add in some defensive scanning ability I don't see local being removed. It would be a hunters paradise and a preys worst nightmare.
Is that a bad thing?
why not make people have to actively watch there systems they live in rather than have a instant Intel tool tell them there's a neutral/red in system
I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh. |
Sentient Blade
Walk It Off
Coalition of the Unfortunate
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Posted - 2011.10.30 01:10:00 -
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There is a distinct difference between
a) Making things present more of a challenging that can be overcome through tactics and training.
and
b) Making things require a constant stream of mouse clicks for the hell of it. Because dull repetitive actions make good game play. |
Demon View
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2011.10.30 01:16:00 -
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Mirima Thurander wrote:why not make people have to actively watch there systems they live in rather than have a instant Intel tool tell them there's a neutral/red in system
What active intel? Cloaky ships don't show up on d-scan. The intel will be "hey I just died.", with nothing it to follow it except maybe some angry chest-beating in local by the victims. |
Mirima Thurander
Deventer Exploration An Acquisition
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Posted - 2011.10.30 01:20:00 -
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Sentient Blade wrote:There is a distinct difference between
a) Making things present more of a challenging that can be overcome through tactics and training.
and
b) Making things require a constant stream of mouse clicks for the hell of it. Because dull repetitive actions make good game play.
no ones forcing you to click d-scan, what i'm getting is you don't like having to depend on your corp mates to provide you Intel to know if there's someone in your system.
i lived in WH space for 7 months and never used d scan, only died 1 time that was while i was taking a leak and lost a gascane
or it might have been a retriever ether way i only died 1 time because of my own actions.
Demon View wrote:
What active intel? Cloaked ships don't show up on d-scan. The intel will be "hey I just died.", with nothing it to follow it except maybe some angry chest-beating in local by the victims.
gate camps, unknown gate flare no ship seen be on lookout for hostiles.
I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh. |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
KUGUTSUMEN.
234
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Posted - 2011.10.30 01:20:00 -
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Mirima Thurander wrote:Brooks Puuntai wrote:As much as I would like to see local removed. Just removing local would be bad. Until they redo D-scan and add in some defensive scanning ability I don't see local being removed. It would be a hunters paradise and a preys worst nightmare.
Is that a bad thing? why not make people have to actively watch there systems they live in rather than have a instant Intel tool tell them there's a neutral/red in system
It is a bad thing. If you think null is bad now as a hunter imagine when people have very little in the way of defense and intel. There would be a mass exodus from null since its not worth the risk.
The old saying. Be careful what you wish for.
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Mirima Thurander
Deventer Exploration An Acquisition
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Posted - 2011.10.30 01:28:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:
It is a bad thing. If you think null is bad now as a hunter imagine when people have very little in the way of defense and intel. There would be a mass exodus from null since its not worth the risk.
The old saying. Be careful what you wish for.
if you don't have the man power to defend your null systems from randoms
A - you have to many systems
B - your just bad at EvE
C - your renters that cant defend yourself's.
I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh. |
Mohr Cowbell
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.10.30 01:31:00 -
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IS THIS A JOAK POAST |
Mirima Thurander
Deventer Exploration An Acquisition
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Posted - 2011.10.30 01:33:00 -
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Mohr Cowbell wrote:IS THIS A JOAK POAST
how so?
I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh. |
Demon View
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2011.10.30 01:45:00 -
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Mirima Thurander wrote:i lived in WH space for 7 months and never used d scan,
"I was in my own private Eve server for 7 months and I didn't get ganked once!"
W-space is desolate and unpopulated, its systems found by sand-combing randomness rather than by someone looking at a map and deciding to organize an attack on Mirima Thurander, specifically; the SB gangs that might stalk you can't cyno reinforcements in to deal with anyone reasonably organized.
Mirima Thurander wrote:Demon View wrote:
What active intel? Cloaked ships don't show up on d-scan. The intel will be "hey I just died.", with nothing it to follow it except maybe some angry chest-beating in local by the victims.
gate camps, unknown gate flare no ship seen be on lookout for hostiles. [/quote]
Oh, "be on the lookout for hostiles", what good advice. Yes, you lived in your private Eve server for seven months all right.
Suppose that they see gate activations, and then they're all hyper-alert as you expect them to be, and then nothing happens? Is 24/7 "being on the lookout" OK with you? If so, what's the point of this great active intel? Or suppose there's a gate activation and then a little later a covert cyno gets popped. How many ships should they be "on the lookout for" in this case?
Here are the two kinds of future battles:
1. Guy goes out to take a ****, takes a large military escort with him because he's "on the lookout for hostiles" because a gate activation happened or may have happened at any time in the past. While he's pissing, a gang large enough to take them out uncloaks and takes them all out. Helpful active intel goes out: "some people just died. Be on the lookout for hostiles!"
2. Same as #1, only the guy who needs to take a **** has more than an expected number of cloaky escorts. Some kind of fight ensues.
There's no way in advance for either party to have any idea which of the two cases it'll be. |
Mirima Thurander
Deventer Exploration An Acquisition
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Posted - 2011.10.30 01:56:00 -
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eves not safe SAY WHAT?
I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh. |
Elise DarkStar
DarkCorp Capital Group
DarkCorp Imperium
117
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Posted - 2011.10.30 01:57:00 -
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Same local as WHs so you can still shittalk. Tthat's pretty much the only reason I pvp, so I can smack before, after, and during. |
XIRUSPHERE
In Bacon We Trust
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Posted - 2011.10.30 02:06:00 -
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It would be an awesome boost to napsec! No more hand wringing and anxiety at the cold hands of the cloaky afk alt, you might actually have to work with your blues and be ready to defend yourself rather than farm all day with 10+ jump notification of neuts or reds. People might have to do something as audacious as scout gates and report real time physical intel.
The great bot swarms would come to a grinding halt as they are unable to instantly warp to pos or log off as soon as a new local enters system. People might have to earn what they have rather than simply aquire it. More free bandwidth for real people trying to do their best working together. Small fleets able to penetrate deeply into hostile space to execute raids and melt away back into the ether.
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Demon View
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2011.10.30 02:07:00 -
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Uh huh. You were safer in your wormhole without local than anyone in nullsec is with local. Talk **** after you wrap your head around why this is the case.
Here, I have a brainless suggestion: let's have special nullsec super-CONCORD-level alien drones that spawn in random systems and destroy absolutely every player in the system. It'll work out that for any given nullsec system, there's a 50% chance that alien drone armageddon will happen sometime during the day. Is that too high? No, because "eves not safe SAY WHAT?" Do any of the consequences of that matter? No, because "eves not safe SAY WHAT?" Even if the space simply becomes not worth living in or doing anything in, and consequently that nobody lives or does anything there? No, because "eves not safe SAY WHAT?" Damn, what an awesome comeback. That answers everything! You're hardcore. |
FeralShadow
Black Storm Cartel
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Posted - 2011.10.30 02:12:00 -
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So how it works is that the empires maintain the FTL communications in the Stargates. That's why you can communicate to people. It would make perfect logical sense that in null sec, there would be nobody maintaining the FTL communications. However, if your alliance holds the space, you should be able to install an upgrade that allows Local in your area. So in essence I think it'd be great if null sec by default has no local, but the alliances can have their area with Local if they get the upgrade to their space. |
Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone
Caldari State
46
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Posted - 2011.10.30 02:14:00 -
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local for anyone playing pvp (anyone in low/null) an intel tool above all else.
I like a lot of the the ideas out there for changing local. The best I think would just be for delayed local in low/null (2 minutes? maybe variable depending on lowsec status/null sec).
I like my ideas too:
-make local outside of high-sec require a module. As it's a tool, it should require a slot.
To keep racial complaints (not a mid i'm amarr, not a low i'm caldari) make it a module that can be placed in any slot
(I wonder if it would be cool if you only see other people using the module? Probably no, as no one would use it then)
-along those lines, local everywhere but nullsec, make a communications probe that when launched provides local for pilot and his gang
-replace what is now local with constellation chat
Then again, maybe the system is perfect the way it is?
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