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Rich Uncle PennyBags
EVE Online Monopoly
20
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Posted - 2013.09.09 16:58:00 -
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Eram Fidard wrote:'Pizza incident'
/comes out from under rock
link/enlightenment plz?
A couple of guys ransomed a pilot for a pizza IRL.
CCP was unhappy with this.
I think that's the Pizza story. Unless there is another one. |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
3898
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Posted - 2013.09.09 16:58:00 -
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This comes from the fact that there are players telling new people that they are representatives of, for example, Republic University or other NPC corps and ... i have this info from a scammer who did this and had a GM convo ... because it seems to be a scam so widespread that it interferes with lore and live events, or something. Paraphrasing this, because i forgot the exact wording.
Edit: Definite info is that people scammed as NPC characters actual CCP devs use, which created issues. Obviously.
Second hand infk from a first hand affected. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4361
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Posted - 2013.09.09 16:58:00 -
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KuroVolt wrote:Wait...we claimed Providence in the name of the Amarrian empire, which is an NPC group.
Guess we will just have to add CCP to the KOS list... You're not part of the Amarrian empire, you're gonna be banned for pretending to be There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Red Crown
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.09.09 16:59:00 -
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Okay, I think what's happening here is that CCP wants every claim of identity to be checkable using the game. Impersonating CFC is off limits now because a player can't use EVE to determine if you're actually CFC. If I'm reading this right, then you CAN impersonate GoonWaffe because it's as simple as checking your information sheet.
I'm seeing this as a way to level the playing field for people who don't know Eve's meta-political landscape. Under these rules, everyone has the tools to verify someone's claim to identity - or at least to demand said proof with an in-game source. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4602
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Posted - 2013.09.09 16:59:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:This comes from the fact that there are players telling new people that they are representatives of, for example, Republic University or other NPC corps and ... i have this info from a scammer who did this and had a GM convo ... because it seems to be a scam so widespread that it interferes with lore and live events, or something. Paraphrasing this, because i forgot the exact wording.
That sounds like an...exceptionally weak justification for a poorly written policy that bans roleplaying. It's not at all a justification for all of the extra crap tacked on. |
Comor Dunathis
Ex Alis Angeli
1
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Posted - 2013.09.09 16:59:00 -
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My understanding of the Pizza thing is that pizza claimed to be a third party service which they aren't. Isn't there a clip of an alliance panel where Goonswarm had scammed a guy out of his supercarrier by claiming The Mittani was a third-party service? |
Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
239
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Posted - 2013.09.09 17:00:00 -
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WTB Plex for Pizza service.
Like the /pizza command from games of yore |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4361
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Posted - 2013.09.09 17:00:00 -
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Hra Neuvosto wrote:Does this mean roleplaying is dead? WHat do you think.
Let's start reporting all roleplayers There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
654
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Posted - 2013.09.09 17:00:00 -
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Rich Uncle PennyBags wrote:Eram Fidard wrote:'Pizza incident'
/comes out from under rock
link/enlightenment plz? A couple of guys ransomed a pilot for a pizza IRL. CCP was unhappy with this. I think that's the Pizza story. Unless there is another one.
That is an AMAZING way to get your dinner! |
James Arget
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
168
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Posted - 2013.09.09 17:01:00 -
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KuroVolt wrote:Wait...we claimed Providence in the name of the Amarrian empire, which is an NPC group.
Guess we will just have to add CCP to the KOS list... CCP declared war on PL, clearly they're out for blood and you can't be too safe. CSM 8 Representative
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4361
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Posted - 2013.09.09 17:01:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Comor Dunathis wrote: Perhaps CCP would like to enlighten me as to the diffference between the CFC and the New Order, since last I checked, they were both groups of players. Why is impersonating the CFC a violation of the TOS, but impersonating one of the New Order's subgroups not a violation of it?
Yeah, this is a good example of why this is bad, unworkable policy. When has that stopped selective enforcement
lady scarlet jokes here There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4602
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Posted - 2013.09.09 17:01:00 -
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Red Crown wrote:Okay, I think what's happening here is that CCP wants every claim of identity to be checkable using the game. Impersonating CFC is off limits now because a player can't use EVE to determine if you're actually CFC. If I'm reading this right, then you CAN impersonate GoonWaffe because it's as simple as checking your information sheet.
I'm seeing this as a way to level the playing field for people who don't know Eve's meta-political landscape. Under these rules, everyone has the tools to verify someone's claim to identity - or at least to demand said proof with an in-game source. The policy as written doesn't have those limitations, and that's not a problem that warrants this sort of heavy-handed intrusion. The New Order folks are quite correct as well to argue that there's no reason for this policy to apply to the CFC but not "mining permit holders". |
Doris Dents
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
201
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Posted - 2013.09.09 17:02:00 -
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Cold dark universe unless you mass petition then CCP will kiss your boo boos better and sweep away years of definitively stated policy with unexplained blog posts. |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
3898
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Posted - 2013.09.09 17:02:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Solstice Project wrote:This comes from the fact that there are players telling new people that they are representatives of, for example, Republic University or other NPC corps and ... i have this info from a scammer who did this and had a GM convo ... because it seems to be a scam so widespread that it interferes with lore and live events, or something. Paraphrasing this, because i forgot the exact wording.
That sounds like an...exceptionally weak justification for a poorly written policy that bans roleplaying. It's not at all a justification for all of the extra crap tacked on. I added an edit.
That's what i've heard of and there's no reason to believe the scammer lied to me, as there was no money involved. lol |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
974
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Posted - 2013.09.09 17:04:00 -
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Nah, they are just being dumb about how they cover a specific incident, OR they are crying because scams represent much of their workload.
Essentially a couple scammers modified the WIKI page for trusted 3rd parties to include themselves with something to the effect of ISD Verified. I forget the exact details as it was many weeks ago. This mean that the person that got scammed checked the wiki, say their names, say ISD verified, got scammed.
CCP reacted by ban hammer cause of this and made up some rules on the fly. Not content to stop there they went ahead and then blanket applied it across EVE. Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
3457
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Posted - 2013.09.09 17:04:00 -
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Grabbing some popcorn.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4363
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Posted - 2013.09.09 17:06:00 -
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Aryth wrote:Nah, they are just being dumb about how they cover a specific incident, OR they are crying because scams represent much of their workload.
Essentially a couple scammers modified the WIKI page for trusted 3rd parties to include themselves with something to the effect of ISD Verified. I forget the exact details as it was many weeks ago. This mean that the person that got scammed checked the wiki, say their names, say ISD verified, got scammed.
CCP reacted by ban hammer cause of this and made up some rules on the fly. Not content to stop there they went ahead and then blanket applied it across EVE. Ah, that seems pretty normal. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4363
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Posted - 2013.09.09 17:07:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Weaselior wrote:Solstice Project wrote:This comes from the fact that there are players telling new people that they are representatives of, for example, Republic University or other NPC corps and ... i have this info from a scammer who did this and had a GM convo ... because it seems to be a scam so widespread that it interferes with lore and live events, or something. Paraphrasing this, because i forgot the exact wording. That sounds like an...exceptionally weak justification for a poorly written policy that bans roleplaying. It's not at all a justification for all of the extra crap tacked on. I added an edit . That's what i've heard of and there's no reason to believe the scammer lied to me, as there was no money involved. lol Who doesn't love massively expansive legislation There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
3899
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Posted - 2013.09.09 17:09:00 -
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That pizza incident would have never happened if CCP had actual vision and introduced PIZZA FOR PLEX, a service with business relations all over the world.
Golden pods? Bullshit. The money lies in Pizza. I'm dead serious. |
Red Crown
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.09.09 17:10:00 -
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Weaselior wrote: The policy as written doesn't have those limitations, and that's not a problem that warrants this sort of heavy-handed intrusion. The New Order folks are quite correct as well to argue that there's no reason for this policy to apply to the CFC but not "mining permit holders".
That's my interpretation of this conversation, posted earlier:
Comor Dunathis wrote:I
Comor Dunathis > so basically, what i'm getting out of this is that player-made groups that surpass alliance/corp boundaries are not official groups ISD FlowingSpice > Comor Dunathis That sounds about right. yes. ISD FlowingSpice > Comor Dunathis To answer your question, groups, such as the CFC, as you asked, are included in the ToS change.So no. Don't do it. Comor Dunathis > thanks. so everyone without a permit that claims to have one is now violating the TOS. gotcha. ISD Arooga > Comor Dunathis not really
The policy as written seems like it could easily accommodate ISD FlowingSpice's claim. That makes it broad, and very open to interpretation. That could result in a serious chilling effect on a lot of gameplay. If this is meant to combat a specific incident , then it should be as specific as that incident at the very least.
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Job Valador
Super Moose Defence Force
239
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Posted - 2013.09.09 17:11:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Hra Neuvosto wrote:Does this mean roleplaying is dead? WHat do you think. Let's start reporting all roleplayers
There goes my dream of being a blood raider "The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement." |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
655
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Posted - 2013.09.09 17:13:00 -
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Eventhough Im not a scammer myself, I feel like trying to reduce scams is akin to putting Concord in Null sec. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3686
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Posted - 2013.09.09 17:15:00 -
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Ban all mission runners for falsly representing NPC corps. The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
Kismeteer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
307
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Posted - 2013.09.09 17:17:00 -
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Are players in NPC corps 'representing NPC groups' if they form a fleet in their alliance? Worse, they accidentally get their corp mates killed? |
E'lyna Mis Dimaloun
Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
27
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Posted - 2013.09.09 17:18:00 -
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This tops CCP Mintchip. Way to go guys!
Wonder how the CSM is going to damage control this one... |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
656
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Posted - 2013.09.09 17:18:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:That pizza incident would have never happened if CCP had actual vision and introduced PIZZA FOR PLEX, a service with business relations all over the world.
Golden pods? Bullshit. The money lies in Pizza. I'm dead serious.
CCP should just drop this dead end game and start a fast food chain! |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
981
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Posted - 2013.09.09 17:21:00 -
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E'lyna Mis Dimaloun wrote:This tops CCP Mintchip. Way to go guys!
Wonder how the CSM is going to damage control this one...
And here I thought that one was topless Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve. |
Andrea Griffin
703
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Posted - 2013.09.09 17:22:00 -
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I think that there is a severe disconnect between CCP's legal team and the rest of the company. They really should pass these things past the gameplay folks so that better language can be produced.
Eve is a game that has been, from the earliest incarnations, built on top of intrigue, double agents, and other clandestine activities. Such a ruling puts a big dent in someone's capabilities to act as a spy or prey on the intellectually weak. CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4365
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Posted - 2013.09.09 17:24:00 -
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E'lyna Mis Dimaloun wrote:This tops CCP Mintchip. Way to go guys!
Wonder how the CSM is going to damage control this one... "It's only there to catch goons"
"grr goons. ok" There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3687
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Posted - 2013.09.09 17:24:00 -
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So if ButthurtMcGee decides to report me for selling him 6 Tech moons that actually belonged to Evoke 2 years ago am I going to get banned? The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
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