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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4589
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Posted - 2013.09.09 16:30:00 -
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So I noticed there was a small update to the EVE terms of service, noted here: http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/eve-online-terms-of-service-update-1/
No comment thread was provided. This new "update" adds this:
Quote:You may not impersonate or falsely present yourself to be a representative of another player, group of players, character or NPC entity.
This effectively bans most scamming and appears to be entirely unwarranted and an intrusion into the sandbox, made without comment or justification. Of course, this may be poorly worded and intended to address a specific problem, in which case I think a discussion of the subject would produce a much better result - after all, this will be cited by every scamee in a petition and if it doesn't mean what it says, some new GM will quickly make a mistake. As written, one of our members who scams someone with the time-honored recruitment scam will get petitioned when someone says that he wasn't authorized to represent Goonswarm.
If it does mean what it says - the GM team has decided to ban most scamming ("why yes, I'm a representative of NC. and can rent you Scalding Pass, pay no attention to the part of the game that tells you I'm in Goonwaffe") I'd like an explanation as to why such a massive intrusion into one of the core features of EVE was warranted. I mean, if you actually get scammed by someone claiming to represent one of the EVE [b]NPC Corporations[/u] you deserve everything that's coming to you.
This appears to be the GM team simply giving in to the masses of people who just spam unjustified petitions. I don't want to get ahead of the facts without a GM or CCP response, but this clearly warrants one. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1054
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Posted - 2013.09.09 16:32:00 -
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What the christ?
This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4589
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Posted - 2013.09.09 16:33:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:What the christ?
Nice signature, petitioned. |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
211
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Posted - 2013.09.09 16:33:00 -
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Lying banned in Eve. Who would have ever thought they'd see the day? I can understand not representing yourself as CCP, but this is crazy.
This is the rule:-á In Eve it's always a trick. If you don't think it's a trick, you just don't have enough experience to know what the trick is. That doesn't mean you shouldn't launch on that fool anyway and roll the dice. |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
668
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Posted - 2013.09.09 16:34:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:So I noticed there was a small update to the EVE terms of service, noted here: http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/eve-online-terms-of-service-update-1/No comment thread was provided. This new "update" adds this: Quote:You may not impersonate or falsely present yourself to be a representative of another player, group of players, character or NPC entity. This effectively bans most scamming and appears to be entirely unwarranted and an intrusion into the sandbox, made without comment or justification. Of course, this may be poorly worded and intended to address a specific problem, in which case I think a discussion of the subject would produce a much better result - after all, this will be cited by every scamee in a petition and if it doesn't mean what it says, some new GM will quickly make a mistake. As written, one of our members who scams someone with the time-honored recruitment scam will get petitioned when someone says that he wasn't authorized to represent Goonswarm. If it does mean what it says - the GM team has decided to ban most scamming ("why yes, I'm a representative of NC. and can rent you Scalding Pass, pay no attention to the part of the game that tells you I'm in Goonwaffe") I'd like an explanation as to why such a massive intrusion into one of the core features of EVE was warranted. I mean, if you actually get scammed by someone claiming to represent one of the EVE [b]NPC Corporations[/u] you deserve everything that's coming to you. This appears to be the GM team simply giving in to the masses of people who just spam unjustified petitions. I don't want to get ahead of the facts without a GM or CCP response, but this clearly warrants one.
Get them in corp, make them move, shoot them, kick them.
No longer a scam because you were indeed a recruiter sicne you did make them join. Too bad Goonwaffe had to do a purge of it's rank just as the guy arrived...
Common you guys are the scam artists. You can go around that rule too. |
Leigh Akiga
State War Academy
Caldari State
118
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Posted - 2013.09.09 16:35:00 -
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Stealth nerf of the century |
Azami Nevinyrall
Carbon Circle
Tactical Narcotics Team
1231
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Posted - 2013.09.09 16:36:00 -
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I love how policies get changed so quickly after certain IRL events...
I'm currently taking bets on the following:
- CCP Games becomes EA Games' property.
- EVE Online will have Microtranctions everywhere. |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics
CODE.
428
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Posted - 2013.09.09 16:36:00 -
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Here's some other humor for this. According to the definition given, strictly by the rules, anyone claiming to have a mining permit from the New Order is misrepresenting themselves as a member of a group, if they don't actually have a permit. (We consider all valid permit holders a member of our highsec coalition).
Unfortunately, we were told we don't count as a "group" according to CCP definition. CFC though, is considered a "group" so anyone trying to pull the "join GoonSwarm" scam, be careful!
Don't worry miners, I'm here to help!
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Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1631
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Posted - 2013.09.09 16:37:00 -
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scamming is dishonourable and here at EVE Online we like our honourable duels at the sun |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1631
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Posted - 2013.09.09 16:38:00 -
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btw I am a member of the Goonwaffe Recruitment Team |
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Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1631
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Posted - 2013.09.09 16:38:00 -
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ah **** I'm gonna get banned now |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1631
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Posted - 2013.09.09 16:38:00 -
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sorry CCP |
handbanana
State War Academy
Caldari State
50
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Posted - 2013.09.09 16:41:00 -
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Blawrf McTaggart wrote:sorry CCP
With a beak like that, your mom was sorry too.
GÇ£It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.GÇ¥
-á-á -Jack Handy
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1054
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Posted - 2013.09.09 16:41:00 -
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Blawrf McTaggart wrote:ah **** I'm gonna get banned now
ah well we might as well recruit as many people as we can now
This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1631
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Posted - 2013.09.09 16:42:00 -
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handbanana wrote:Blawrf McTaggart wrote:sorry CCP With a beak like that, your mom was sorry too.
whoa |
Comor Dunathis
Ex Alis Angeli
1
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Posted - 2013.09.09 16:42:00 -
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I was told in help chat by ISD Arooga and ISD FlowingSpice that only official groups can be impersonated, though it wasn't clear what official groups were. I had answers saying that the CFC was an official group, but the new order was not. The only difference I can see is that CFC is a nullsec power bloc, whereas the new order is a highsec bloc.
I was told that recruitment scams were fine, but that people impersonating permit-holding miners were not against the TOS.
When I questioned them on this further, here's what followed:
Comor Dunathis > so basically, what i'm getting out of this is that player-made groups that surpass alliance/corp boundaries are not official groups
ISD FlowingSpice > Comor Dunathis That sounds about right. yes.
ISD FlowingSpice > Comor Dunathis To answer your question, groups, such as the CFC, as you asked, are included in the ToS change.So no. Don't do it.
Comor Dunathis > thanks. so everyone without a permit that claims to have one is now violating the TOS. gotcha.
ISD Arooga > Comor Dunathis not really
Perhaps CCP would like to enlighten me as to the diffference between the CFC and the New Order, since last I checked, they were both groups of players. Why is impersonating the CFC a violation of the TOS, but impersonating one of the New Order's subgroups not a violation of it? |
Eram Fidard
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
235
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Posted - 2013.09.09 16:44:00 -
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CCP, this is Nail. I believe you already know Coffin from Dust 514? |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1631
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Posted - 2013.09.09 16:45:00 -
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because New Order are pubbies |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
653
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Posted - 2013.09.09 16:46:00 -
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Wait...we claimed Providence in the name of the Amarrian empire, which is an NPC group.
Guess we will just have to add CCP to the KOS list... |
March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
748
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Posted - 2013.09.09 16:47:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:As written, one of our members who scams someone with the time-honored recruitment scam will get petitioned when someone says that he wasn't authorized to represent Goonswarm.
why on Earth anyone would care about some stupid goonie who was punished for his scams? 
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flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels
Fidelas Constans
1401
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Posted - 2013.09.09 16:49:00 -
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Quote:You may not impersonate or falsely present yourself to be a representative of another player, group of players, character or NPC entity.
How can i fool someone to give me isk if i impersonate as an npc entity ?
''Hey there , i am a diplo for the guristas.Currently we have a lot of problems with our SRP in venal as BL is killing our ships left and right and as such are doing a quick round to gather isk from others in the form of a loan.We provide a 10 % interest bonus as well as accomodate a stationoffice for half the price in venal for your own use''
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Eram Fidard
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
237
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Posted - 2013.09.09 16:50:00 -
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This just in:
CVA Sov drops after every single alliance member banned from EVE. |
Sasha Angelis
Airkio Mining Corp
Gentlemen's Agreement
8
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Posted - 2013.09.09 16:50:00 -
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KuroVolt wrote:Wait...we claimed Providence in the name of the Amarrian empire, which is an NPC group.
Guess we will just have to add CCP to the KOS list...
NEVER BEND THE KNEE! :ccp:
March rabbit wrote:why on Earth anyone would care about some stupid goonie who was punished for his scams? What?
Are we playing the same game or am I just smelling highsec carebear who got scammed? |
Eto Tekai
Hounds Of War
WHY so Seri0Us
34
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Posted - 2013.09.09 16:51:00 -
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Good, Recruitment scams are a leading cause of people quitting the game after attempting to dip their feet into 0.0.
Cheers CCP. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4595
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Posted - 2013.09.09 16:51:00 -
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Comor Dunathis wrote:
Perhaps CCP would like to enlighten me as to the diffference between the CFC and the New Order, since last I checked, they were both groups of players. Why is impersonating the CFC a violation of the TOS, but impersonating one of the New Order's subgroups not a violation of it?
Yeah, this is a good example of why this is bad, unworkable policy. |
Hra Neuvosto
FinFleet
Northern Coalition.
85
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Posted - 2013.09.09 16:52:00 -
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Does this mean roleplaying is dead? |
Kismeteer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
303
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Posted - 2013.09.09 16:52:00 -
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How quickly is CCP going to be removing the alliances that role play as NPCs, since it is now illegal per the TOS? Will it be today?
Someone might want to tell Mordus Angels to establish a new alliance. |
Aryth
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
971
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Posted - 2013.09.09 16:54:00 -
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Instead of reworking their TOS to cover the Pizza incident (which I presume is the seed for this) they did a blanket catchall to I suppose save a crying GM team some work.
How about noting it now covers ISD and official WIKI defacement in the pursuit of a scam. Rather than blanket banning something that is fundamental to the sandbox.
Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal
Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve. |
Leigh Akiga
State War Academy
Caldari State
118
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Posted - 2013.09.09 16:56:00 -
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Soo dont let third parties list themselves on CCP wikis? Sorry Chribba but you dont need it bro, instead of blanket banning impersonation |
Eram Fidard
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
239
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Posted - 2013.09.09 16:56:00 -
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'Pizza incident'
/comes out from under rock
link/enlightenment plz? |
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