Nerfing the Machariel's speed.

Isn't that like Nerfing a mining barges miners?..

(i.e. a bit stupid)

Machariel, Attack battleship

GÇóSpecial ability: 20%(-5) bonus to Large Projectile Turret ROF
GÇóGallente Battleship Skill Bonus:
10% bonus to Large Projectile Turret falloff per level
GÇóMinmatar Battleship Skill Bonus:
5% bonus to Large Projectile Turret damage

GÇóSlot layout: 8H, 6M,(+1) 6L(-1); 8 turrets (+1), 0 launchers
GÇóFittings: 17,950 PG , 660 CPU
GÇóDefense (shields / armor / hull) : 9000(-317) / 7000(-2298) / 7000(-1,260)
GÇóMobility (max velocity / mass/ agility): 140 m/s(-21) / 94,680,000 / 0.090 (+0.06)
GÇóDrones (bandwidth / bay): 50(-50) / 75(-50)
GÇóTargeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 62km / 135(-15) / 7
GÇóSensor strength: 22 Ladar (-4)
GÇóSignature radius: 310 (-30)

I think this is more inline with other attack navy battleships and reducing its versatility emphasizing shield tank and low sig makes more sense as a kiting ship. along with more turret dps in exchange for drone dps.

I will start paying attention when/if the devs make an announcement about any changes "they" have in mind.
Just another player driven nerf this or that ship thread.


Nothing to see here but bias ways to over nerf another ship.....typical.

i like where you are going... and the fitting look tight... how many rigs you need for arties?

we i had started off with a rather weak nerf then re did the op with a rather severe one. i am working on the 3rd iteration.

and there is no harm with theory crafting before the devs do thier own op... as a matter of fact by us doing it now... it might reduce the amount of Dev ops will be needed.

tell me what are you suggestions.

The Machs PG is already tight, no need to reduce it.

You should know this if you have ever actually flown the ship...

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so i have 800's on mine... so i litterally have loads of pg left...

or do you mean fly the ship you like to equip it.

The Machs PG is already tight, no need to reduce it.

And considering that they are buffing the Vargur so it will be able to fit 1400s I doubt the Mach would get nerfed in this regard anyway. Wouldn't make any sense. Unless they reduce turret count that is. Personally I think it should become an 8 gun ship as right now it looks awkward with only 7. If they do make it a 6 gun ship, hopefully they'll give it an extra mid (and some extra DPS bonus) to compensate.

far too many if its even possible without imps and RC's but it's supposed to be AC ship anyway

The Vargur's getting more PWG because it can barely fit 800's and prop, let alone even think about arty. The Mach can fit Prop, 800's, a Heavy neut, a tank, and more.

You know... Just saying.

Edit: numbers, a Vargur goes >30% over PWG fitting 1400's, a Machariel is .3% over.

how can you compare it to a dominix??

Its a faction ship, costs 1bn, then another billion to fit it properly,

IT SHOULD BE BETTER than the Tier 1 battleships!

how can you compare it to a dominix??

Its a faction ship, costs 1bn, then another billion to fit it properly,

IT SHOULD BE BETTER than the Tier 1 battleships!

According to this post, Machariel's theoretical weaknesses should be low ehp and poor damage projection. NPC Angel Cartel ships tend to be very fast, very short range, but hurt when close, so that means it needs to hurt up front, but lack the projection capability. This to me says "falloff needs to go". What to replace it with? Imo, the exact same thing the falloff bonus replaced, tracking speed.

The idea is to push the Machariel pilots much closer to their targets, making both the poor damage projection and the low ehp more meaningful, as per Ytterbium's request, while using the ship's great speed to bring it close to the enemy for a strike, then away from danger again.

According to this post, Machariel's theoretical weaknesses should be low ehp and poor damage projection. NPC Angel Cartel ships tend to be very fast, very short range, but hurt when close, so that means it needs to hurt up front, but lack the projection capability. This to me says "falloff needs to go". What to replace it with? Imo, the exact same thing the falloff bonus replaced, tracking speed.

The idea is to push the Machariel pilots much closer to their targets, making both the poor damage projection and the low ehp more meaningful, as per Ytterbium's request, while using the ship's great speed to bring it close to the enemy for a strike, then away from danger again. By contrast, a Vindicator as its closest counterpart would get in, then keep the target in range as it pounds it to dust, while the Machariel would be fast enough to chase the target around, while dictating range and angle (think oversized Stabber)

If you have ever noticed a couple of the hacs can match a machariel at 50Km its only doing about 600 dps. That 1100 you are seeing on a fitter is is good for all of 3500km., and you are just shy of falloff at 50km with three TEs.

....or are you supposed to take a billion isk ship with 60eHP into scram range?

657 with T1 ammo, actually. 840 with Barrage. For comparison, a Vindicator with Null is sitting at 365 dps and a Pulse Navy Apocalypse at 827 using Scorch. All figures are including best drones for those ships, of course.

Now, I'm challenging you to give me a Stabber's ehp, dps and speed compared to Thorax.

Now, I'm challenging you to give me a Stabber's ehp, dps and speed compared to Thorax.

OP's idea looks pretty legit... Like many others, Id say move a high to a med tho.

According to this post, Machariel's theoretical weaknesses should be low ehp and poor damage projection. NPC Angel Cartel ships tend to be very fast, very short range, but hurt when close, so that means it needs to hurt up front, but lack the projection capability. This to me says "falloff needs to go". What to replace it with? Imo, the exact same thing the falloff bonus replaced, tracking speed.

The idea is to push the Machariel pilots much closer to their targets, making both the poor damage projection and the low ehp more meaningful, as per Ytterbium's request, while using the ship's great speed to bring it close to the enemy for a strike, then away from danger again. By contrast, a Vindicator as its closest counterpart would get in, then keep the target in range as it pounds it to dust, while the Machariel would be fast enough to chase the target around, while dictating range and angle (think oversized Stabber)

7 lows for an ac/shield boat?

Are you nuts?