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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4470
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Posted - 2013.09.10 01:09:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:handbanana wrote:La Nariz wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:La Nariz wrote:I'm not intending to accuse you of anything I'm suggesting a rethinking of how ISDs are selected. Right now I think the hiring process probably eliminates those who prefer to play the "bad guy" in EVE from ISD candidacy. Oh ho, that thread about how bad guys won't get anywhere irl is true. Screw you goon, you guys deserved it. Soon N3 will have you by the I think perhaps we need some form of space affirmative action so big alliances aren't under represented in ISD. The forum is a big part of EVE and preventing a portion of people from having a say in it is harmful to the metagame. The main thing that is free advertising for EVE and draws players in. lol, that's quite a stretch. Its not a stretch, CCP gets plenty of free advertising from shenanigans caused by the metagame. I could cite them all but that's a waste of time. Its also a good point that if CCP is only allowing "good guys" to be ISD then the "bad guys" are far more likely to get moderated into oblivion and be unable to influence the metagame through this venue. Space affirmative action easily fixes this problem. Maybe bad guys should be moderated into oblivion
Society shouldn't accept such things even in an internet spaceships game There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3377
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Posted - 2013.09.10 01:22:00 -
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Um....
Scammer tears best tears.
Sorry, had to do it. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3722
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Posted - 2013.09.10 01:22:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Maybe bad guys should be moderated into oblivion
We already are. It doesn't take much for a Goon to get a forum ban, yet the pubs can say whatever they want.
The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1421
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Posted - 2013.09.10 01:23:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:La Nariz wrote:Its not a stretch, CCP gets plenty of free advertising from shenanigans caused by the metagame. I could cite them all but that's a waste of time. Its also a good point that if CCP is only allowing "good guys" to be ISD then the "bad guys" are far more likely to get moderated into oblivion and be unable to influence the metagame through this venue. Space affirmative action easily fixes this problem. The fact that CCP employees aren't allowed to scam, pirate or suicide gank on their anonymous accounts really says it all. call of duty devs are not allowed to use guns against other players ingame |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3722
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Posted - 2013.09.10 01:29:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:La Nariz wrote:Its not a stretch, CCP gets plenty of free advertising from shenanigans caused by the metagame. I could cite them all but that's a waste of time. Its also a good point that if CCP is only allowing "good guys" to be ISD then the "bad guys" are far more likely to get moderated into oblivion and be unable to influence the metagame through this venue. Space affirmative action easily fixes this problem. The fact that CCP employees aren't allowed to scam, pirate or suicide gank on their anonymous accounts really says it all. call of duty devs are not allowed to use guns against other players ingame
I underlined the important part because a lot of devs still play the game with regular accounts.
The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
Yonis Kador
KADORCORP
321
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Posted - 2013.09.10 01:31:00 -
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(That's a great example of a player claiming to be an "official" npc.)
With so much grey area, I'm forced to join the pro-clarification posse.
I've been playing this game as part of Kador Family since I created my character nearly 2 years ago. I've seen players with surnames of Tash Murkon and Kor-Azor. And it was deliberate. I intended to bring the backstory into local everywhere I went. I have characters with the surname of Oiritsuu also.
Quote: You may not impersonate or falsely present yourself to be a representative of another player, group of players, character or NPC entity.
Though I'm sure banning this sort of gameplay from EVE wasn't the intent, could this be interpreted as "presenting myself to be a representative of an NPC entity?" Maybe. I hope not. But completely sure? No.
I have no problem with a more-specific re-wording that will achieve the intent of the rule.
YK
"He who fights and runs away lives to fight another day." |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1422
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Posted - 2013.09.10 01:37:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:The fact that CCP employees aren't allowed to scam, pirate or suicide gank on their anonymous accounts really says it all. call of duty devs are not allowed to use guns against other players ingame I underlined the important part because a lot of devs still play the game with regular accounts. the concept of call of duty developers not being allowed to use the only form of player interaction in their multiplayer game was intended to be humourous |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1422
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Posted - 2013.09.10 01:38:00 -
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if you want me to explain the joke again just send a pm |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4471
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Posted - 2013.09.10 01:54:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Maybe bad guys should be moderated into oblivion We already are. It doesn't take much for a Goon to get a forum ban, yet the pubs can say whatever they want. Not enough apparently.
We're still posting, deadtear would never allow this There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1067
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Posted - 2013.09.10 02:05:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Maybe bad guys should be moderated into oblivion We already are. It doesn't take much for a Goon to get a forum ban, yet the pubs can say whatever they want. Not enough apparently. We're still posting, deadtear would never allow this
Worse things could happen, WIdotte could have an eve-o posting op. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
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Tasha Saisima
State War Academy Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2013.09.10 02:13:00 -
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good job to ISD |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4471
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Posted - 2013.09.10 02:16:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Maybe bad guys should be moderated into oblivion We already are. It doesn't take much for a Goon to get a forum ban, yet the pubs can say whatever they want. Not enough apparently. We're still posting, deadtear would never allow this Worse things could happen, WIdotte could have an eve-o posting op. Aren't they here already? There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1067
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Posted - 2013.09.10 02:36:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:La Nariz wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Maybe bad guys should be moderated into oblivion We already are. It doesn't take much for a Goon to get a forum ban, yet the pubs can say whatever they want. Not enough apparently. We're still posting, deadtear would never allow this Worse things could happen, WIdotte could have an eve-o posting op. Aren't they here already?
I've yet to see a bigbillth3boss post. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
Kelleris
Stay Frosty.
10
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Posted - 2013.09.10 03:08:00 -
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Putting this in the TOS vs. naming policy is the difference between tapping someone on the shoulder and asking them to quiet down a bit and smashing them in the face with a hammer. A character rename (for example) isn't a big deal, but getting banned because you scammed the wrong dude? Ouch.
CCP really needs to reconsider who they are serving with their policies.
Also, this thread should not be locked, if they do, the players will just create another one. Ignoring a problem will not make it go away. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3726
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Posted - 2013.09.10 03:20:00 -
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Kelleris wrote:but getting banned because you scammed the wrong dude? Ouch.
CCP really needs to reconsider who they are serving with their policies.
This already happens quite often when you scam a dude who happened to buy all of that isk from some website. The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4473
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Posted - 2013.09.10 03:31:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Kelleris wrote:but getting banned because you scammed the wrong dude? Ouch.
CCP really needs to reconsider who they are serving with their policies. This already happens quite often when you scam a dude who happened to buy all of that isk from some website. So if someone was willing to sacrifice themselves they can get a bunch of people banned by spiking their isk with rmt stuff and then catching as many scammers as possible There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
181
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Posted - 2013.09.10 03:42:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:Hey everyone. It's evening here in Reykjav+¡k, our senior staff are presumably at home with their families and it may take until tomorrow to get this all cleared up in an official manner.
I can assure you that this is intended in the best way, as clarification of policy that's been in effect for a long time so I hope we have your patience until office hours tomorrow. Nothing bad will happen in the meantime.
If it turns out that this change to the wording is actually too far reaching, goes against its intended purpose, or is somehow confusing things rather than clarifying them, that will be taken care of...trust me. If it turns out to make sense despite the worries you guys have, proper explanations will be provided.
I want to give the people responsible for drafting the policy a chance to read your posts and address the matter. Agreed?
Guess everyone in eve should be banned including ISD and CCP characters as everyone is impersonating EvE Online factions.
The wording of the TOS is nonsense. Does this means roleplayers like myself or CVA will be banned?
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Felicity Love
Whore and Peace
830
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Posted - 2013.09.10 03:56:00 -
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... RP'ing in EVE is dying... just saying.
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
Karma Bad
Evil Trade Market
5
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Posted - 2013.09.10 04:01:00 -
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To start this off on the right foot, ill start with this quote
ISD LackOfFaith:
[quote ]Abuse cases are investigated on a case by case basis by the GM team. If you have a specific case or example you would like to bring up with them, or to have clarified, please file a support ticket. It's always better to ask first when serious EULA/ToS violations are on the line.
CCP are aware of the general response and confusion over the change, having seen it themselves and been briefed by ISD CCL. They have not made a response yet, but I'm sure they will when they are ready to.[/quote]
I had zero issue with The impersonation of ccp employee's part on the change to tos. However by changing the tos in the manner in which is had, Does it not that significantly change the meta game around. Before gm's just had your rename a corporation or player if it was impersonating a corp, alliance, or another player.
By changing the game rules from something of the context for disciplinary action against players in the Naming Policy applies to blatantly offensive names. To now in the TOS, which can include everything up to Full perm Ban for any impersonation is just highly uncalled for.
And with the quote above added to the picture. Many Players have checked in the past to see if something was legal justification or not. However The legal justification for the fringe meta gaming depended on individual gms until there was to much community backlash (on a approved by gm concept) to you will be banned for doing it. One Major example is what is refferd to as the boomerang exploit, in the begging it was a fully legal thing, now you cant in high sec / was ban-able before the fix went into place.
So in the end, Why blur the line and move something that's been legitimized to the possibly for a full outright ban option. after all eve is harsh. why should any part of the game become coddled. (After all there is still the rule you cant scam / trick bran new players) |
Andy Koraka
PonyWaffe Insidious Empire
6
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Posted - 2013.09.10 04:32:00 -
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First they came for the recruitment chat scammers, and I didn't speak out because I didn't scam there.
Then they came for the similar named alts, and I didn't speak out because I didn't have an alt.
Then they came for the Recruitment Scammer, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Recruitment Scammer.
Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me. |
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Topher Basquette Dusch-shur
Montana Freedom Fighters
3
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Posted - 2013.09.10 04:52:00 -
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Looks like Surner Bank made the wrong kid cry at the right time.
Honestly I am against scams that involve RL goods/service or tricking someone into using RL money for plex for isk so that you can kill and loot them(RIP silly Hel), but other than having leave people alone. Don't get me wrong there is blame on both sides, don't fly what you can't lose. Also, why pay ransom if they can blow you up anyway after the have the isk, pizza, or whatever.
Now about things that only effect your space pixels: If someone wants to trick someone by using a "rn" in place or an "m", meh. Look at your contracts, check spelling, check references, and don't buy items to fill an order on the market with a minimum buy order over one.
I'm by no means a vet, but I love that I have to watch out for scams. If it wasn't for that kind of thing in Eve, who knows, I might be a panda instead. |
Spurty
962
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Posted - 2013.09.10 05:25:00 -
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So reading this I see three types of plonkers coming out of the woodwork.
Plonker type number one) The Jita Scammer types Plonker type number two) The white knights of the Jita Scammer types Plonker type number three) Doesn't understand why this rule would be clarified and is coming up with the most ridiculously strenuous examples that would never fool anyone
You are all plonkers (I've read your reasons for being upset, it's clear you're type one, two and probably three). I was going to paste in the posts to underscore why those three types apply to all of your complaints, but you're not worth the effort. The whole point is that you're *effort* to keep around.
For content, here's my stance:
How much *effort* / hours and $$$'s have thus far been wasted by CCP's through customers petitioning fraud? We'll never know, that's a private matter. Perhaps CCP believes they are *wasting* too much money and effort on this niche meta game?
Sooner see bugs squashed than people that got scammed having their accounts restored for my subs.
Bad luck if this is your game style
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Abulurd Boniface
The Scope Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2013.09.10 05:27:00 -
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So, forgive me for offering a completely unsophisticated idea here but how about we use the following principle when it comes to impersonation: pay attention.
It's your interaction, you're responsible for it. Keep your eyes peeled, look at who you're talking to, look at what they're selling you and be mindful of where you are and what's in your hold.
How about that for an idea?
This is EVE, it's not something I do myself, but we're going to ban lying now? At what point do we need to have a lawyer next to us who's going to determine we're not crossing the boundaries of the EULA?
You can't misrepresent yourself as a member of CCP? CCP members have their name in blue, they are a member of a specific corporation and they're not going to bother you for ISK. If you fall for that kind of scam you deserve to get fleeced. The scam is the price of the lesson.
EVE is the game of consequences, I know all about that, scamming and subterfuge is what makes it so fiendishly attractive.
There is nothing wrong with EVE and player interaction that can't be fixed with a very simple, elegant remedy: pay attention.
How about we try that for a while? |
Fanatic Row
DED Drug Enforcement Department
54
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Posted - 2013.09.10 05:33:00 -
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Quote:Really, the key flaw in this update/clarification/whathaveyou is the term "groups of players". How is CCP going to define a group of players? Two people is a group of players. A coalition is a group of players. The New Order is a group of players. Furries are a group of players...... In the end, how are you going to designate who is the "official" recognized group, and who is misrepresenting themselves? While that is an issue as well, I fail to see why someone in a group should be allowed to "impersonate" a higher-up in the same group to scam, while someone not in said group isn't allowed to do the same. Really, what is the difference?
I suspect it's a "catch all" thing, like the EULA, for CCP. But there's already an ISD in this thread taking it to mean otherwise, so clearly there's some internal communication that needs to happen at CCP, before a GM starts banning roleplayers for impersonating the Caldari Navy.
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Erufen Rito
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
41
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Posted - 2013.09.10 05:52:00 -
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You guys must be daft. Here, I'll quote this so you can unwind your panties elsewhere.
CCP Guard wrote:Hey everyone. It's evening here in Reykjav+¡k, our senior staff are presumably at home with their families and it may take until tomorrow to get this all cleared up in an official manner.
I can assure you that this is intended in the best way, as clarification of policy that's been in effect for a long time so I hope we have your patience until office hours tomorrow. Nothing bad will happen in the meantime.
If it turns out that this change to the wording is actually too far reaching, goes against its intended purpose, or is somehow confusing things rather than clarifying them, that will be taken care of...trust me. If it turns out to make sense despite the worries you guys have, proper explanations will be provided.
I want to give the people responsible for drafting the policy a chance to read your posts and address the matter. Agreed?
You've got your answer. Nothing is changing, nothing has been done to enforce this, so try to wash off the sand out of your cooches. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Sweet Sensations Radical Industries
13583
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Posted - 2013.09.10 06:09:00 -
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Erufen Rito wrote:You guys must be daft. Here, I'll quote this so you can unwind your panties elsewhere. CCP Guard wrote:Hey everyone. It's evening here in Reykjav+¡k, our senior staff are presumably at home with their families and it may take until tomorrow to get this all cleared up in an official manner.
I can assure you that this is intended in the best way, as clarification of policy that's been in effect for a long time so I hope we have your patience until office hours tomorrow. Nothing bad will happen in the meantime.
If it turns out that this change to the wording is actually too far reaching, goes against its intended purpose, or is somehow confusing things rather than clarifying them, that will be taken care of...trust me. If it turns out to make sense despite the worries you guys have, proper explanations will be provided.
I want to give the people responsible for drafting the policy a chance to read your posts and address the matter. Agreed?
You've got your answer. Actually that's not an answer, it's a statement from a CCP representative saying that CCP are looking into the validity of our concerns and that they'll address them as appropriate.
Quote:Nothing is changing, nothing has been done to enforce this, so try to wash off the sand out of your cooches. That's your opinion, as such it's not necessarily right. I have an opinion too, that's not necessarily right either. I am furnishing this post "as is". I do not provide any warranty for the post whatsoever, whether express, implied, or statutory, including, but not limited to, any relevance or fitness for a particular purpose or any warranty that the contents of the post will be error-free.
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Reckless Ourtomineng
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2013.09.10 06:14:00 -
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ISD Eshtir wrote:DrysonBennington wrote:I vote to directly attack ISD's and CCP at every possible chance. Look, you guys now have a place to discuss this in proper with the DEV's. CCP Guard has made a reply earlier for all of you. Use this forum to have a civil discussion about it. You dont have to troll just because you are on the internet.
locking threads that apparently shouldn't be locked with just the 1st excuse that comes up in your minds doesn't look much civil as well.
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Erufen Rito
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
41
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Posted - 2013.09.10 06:19:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Quote:Nothing is changing, nothing has been done to enforce this, so try to wash off the sand out of your cooches. That's your opinion, as such it's not necessarily right. I have an opinion too, that's not necessarily right either. Did you somehow miss the bit about not attacking/ insulting others in the ISD post? Name one person who's gotten banned by the changes in the EULA. I'll go to bed now, since there is no point in me staying up for you to come up with a name. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Sweet Sensations Radical Industries
13583
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Posted - 2013.09.10 06:29:00 -
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Erufen Rito wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Quote:Nothing is changing, nothing has been done to enforce this, so try to wash off the sand out of your cooches. That's your opinion, as such it's not necessarily right. I have an opinion too, that's not necessarily right either. Did you somehow miss the bit about not attacking/ insulting others in the ISD post? Name one person who's gotten banned by the changes in the EULA. I'll go to bed now, since there is no point in me staying up for you to come up with a name. The change was only implemented yesterday (9/9/13), as such nobody has been banned, yet. If it remains as is there's a very definite possibility of people being banned for things that up until yesterday afternoon were completely acceptable, such as pretending to be a recruiter for GSF while not actually being in GSF. I am furnishing this post "as is". I do not provide any warranty for the post whatsoever, whether express, implied, or statutory, including, but not limited to, any relevance or fitness for a particular purpose or any warranty that the contents of the post will be error-free.
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Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society
1714
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Posted - 2013.09.10 06:41:00 -
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Reckless Ourtomineng wrote:ISD Eshtir wrote:DrysonBennington wrote:I vote to directly attack ISD's and CCP at every possible chance. Look, you guys now have a place to discuss this in proper with the DEV's. CCP Guard has made a reply earlier for all of you. Use this forum to have a civil discussion about it. You dont have to troll just because you are on the internet. locking threads that apparently shouldn't be locked with just the 1st excuse that comes up in your minds doesn't look much civil as well.
I'm pretty sure you kids are just trying to find reasons to hate on ISDs and GMs. Haters will hate, I guess. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
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