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baltec1
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Posted - 2013.09.10 04:25:00 -
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Kharmha wrote: even to the point of using throwaway toons to purposely draw concord ships to the belts simply for the
protection from gankers they gave.
There are two bannable offences being used here. |

baltec1
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Posted - 2013.09.10 04:33:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:baltec1 wrote:Kharmha wrote: even to the point of using throwaway toons to purposely draw concord ships to the belts simply for the
protection from gankers they gave.
There are two bannable offences being used here. i only see one? i suppose the first bannable offence is the one that matters, though unless double-spacing is bannable which it really should be
Throwaway alts and exploiting the concord mechanics. |

baltec1
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Posted - 2013.09.10 05:03:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Nah, going GCC
to move
CONCORD around is fine
Throwaway alts, however,
is against the rules
Spawning concord for protection has been deemed an exploit. |

baltec1
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Posted - 2013.09.10 05:14:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:I really doubt it, considering spawning or moving CONCORD away from a gank is allowed. Have you heard that from an official source?
Yes. CCP deemed it an exploit when we did the second interdiction as Concord is not meant to be on grid protecting people. We got a good number of alt accounts in ibis banned for doing this. |

baltec1
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Posted - 2013.09.10 05:24:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:I'll believe you, then. It's nonsense, though. CONCORD isn't ~supposed~ to do anything except either spawn or warp around. If it's supposed to not sit on grid, CCP should change the mechanic instead of halfarseing a double-standard rule.
It doesn't, they use the ibis alts to keep on re-spawning concord when they leave. |

baltec1
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Posted - 2013.09.10 05:27:00 -
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Nathalie LaPorte wrote:baltec1 wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:I really doubt it, considering spawning or moving CONCORD away from a gank is allowed. Have you heard that from an official source? Yes. CCP deemed it an exploit when we did the second interdiction as Concord is not meant to be on grid protecting people. We got a good number of alt accounts in ibis banned for doing this. I found a CCP post from 5 years ago saying summoning concord to grid was perfectly fine, but that doing so with throwaway alts was bannable, as recycling pilots to regain sec status is generally disallowed. Obviously that's a super old post, but I couldn't find anything more recent, and that policy provides an alternate explanation for those banned ibis pilots. Does anyone have a more recent link where a dev outlines the policy clearly?
No links but CCP said last year that they want people to organize their own protection and not use concord as bodyguards. |

baltec1
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Posted - 2013.09.10 05:54:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:baltec1 wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:I'll believe you, then. It's nonsense, though. CONCORD isn't ~supposed~ to do anything except either spawn or warp around. If it's supposed to not sit on grid, CCP should change the mechanic instead of halfarseing a double-standard rule. It doesn't, they use the ibis alts to keep on re-spawning concord when they leave. I don't understand. But CONCORD is stupid. And a 15-minute gank timer is stupid. And being able to move CONCORD around at all is stupid. How come the boomeranging exploit got nerfed in days but this protection exploit is left as is until someone petitions it. E: also the new rule isn't exactly broadcasted or easy to find out about is it i'm getting emotional on the internet so imma leave and eat some chips
boomerang went on for years.
CCP cant do much in this case as concord is meant to stay on grid for a while. The issues comes when people start throwing ibis into the grinder to keep the concord spawn in place to act as bodyguards. |

baltec1
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Posted - 2013.09.10 06:13:00 -
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S Byerley wrote:
And I just call bullshit on the second one; if you can suicide to pull concord off grid, miners can suicide to pull concord on grid. CCP has never publicly said anything else and it's a downright dumb notion.
Pulling concord about is fine.
Using concord as invincible bodyguards is an exploit. |

baltec1
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Posted - 2013.09.10 07:25:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:baltec1 wrote:boomerang went on for years.
CCP cant do much in this case as concord is meant to stay on grid for a while. The issues comes when people start throwing ibis into the grinder to keep the concord spawn in place to act as bodyguards. From what I saw, boomerang was declared an exploit and nerfed with the instant-web and 15-minute timer within days of CCP finding out about it? I'm just a bit miffed that one exploit is ruled against, declared and mechanics implemented immediately to combat it, but another is ruled against, kept quiet and nothing happens Also, I'm stil not entirely clear on this. Is pulling CONCORD onto grid for protection once an exploit?
What did boomerang in was that one guy abused it massively over the span of a few weeks which lead to a huge amount of outraged highsec pubbies flailing on the forums so CCP acted. It had been used since the days of M0o. |

baltec1
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Posted - 2013.09.10 07:28:00 -
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S Byerley wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:Also, I'm stil not entirely clear on this. Is pulling CONCORD onto grid for protection once an exploit? What motivation could a suicide ganker possibly have to convince you that a suicide ganking defense is an exploit?
Please use this tactic. We enjoy getting clueless miners banned as much ask killing them. |

baltec1
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Posted - 2013.09.10 07:46:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:baltec1 wrote:Please use this tactic. We enjoy getting clueless miners banned as much as killing them. Oh come on baltec, don't say things like that... who would you turn your sociopathic affection (yea, that's a contradiction  ) to, if all the "clueless miners" got banned!?
We have learned there is no end to silly miners. |

baltec1
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Posted - 2013.09.10 08:00:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:S Byerley wrote: Mostly ridicule, also a little bit of misdirection. The suggestions are always wildly impractical so it really doesn't hurt any. Pre-spawning Concord, in contrast, is very cost-effective and can be a significant nuisance.
So telling people how to tank their barges and exhumers, how to use the standings mechanism to highlight people who would do them harm, how to use the overview and to not AFK is ridicule and misdirection?
Welcome to the high sec way of thinking. Where using an exploit that could get you banned is seen as a better option than fitting a tank in those empty mids. |

baltec1
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Posted - 2013.09.10 08:35:00 -
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S Byerley wrote:
How many people have you run into pre-spawning Concord but not tanking their ship?
All of them so far.
S Byerley wrote: ie baltec is full of **** and can't support his claim whereas comments from CCP employees indicate that the activity is fine provided you don't delete characters.
Lets see that quote in its context.
Because we have been told that it is a bannable offence and we have reported people for it who have been given warnings and bans. |

baltec1
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Posted - 2013.09.10 09:02:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:
Nice generalization there...
A miner who tanks their ships is a very rare thing alas. For example of the 600 exhumers we killed in the first caldari interdiction we fond not one of them had fitted a tank. |

baltec1
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Posted - 2013.09.10 09:44:00 -
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S Byerley wrote:
Assuming you're not just being difficult: throwing a sentence or two of a passage into google with quotes will generally get you the source of a passage.
Irritatingly it just gets me lots of times it was quoted. Is seems to be in reference to just the act of recycling alts.
All I can say is that what we have been told is that it is an exploit and we know that people have been banned for it. Unless CCP has had a change of heart in the last year and a half its still an exploit. |

baltec1
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Posted - 2013.09.10 19:15:00 -
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Dirk Decibel wrote:baltec1 wrote:Kharmha wrote: even to the point of using throwaway toons to purposely draw concord ships to the belts simply for the
protection from gankers they gave.
There are two bannable offences being used here. Which are both impossible to prove unless the violator admits them....
CCP just need to look at the kill mail records. |

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Posted - 2013.09.10 19:17:00 -
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RomeStar wrote:baltec1 wrote:Kharmha wrote: even to the point of using throwaway toons to purposely draw concord ships to the belts simply for the
protection from gankers they gave.
There are two bannable offences being used here. Hey genius its only a bannable offence if you delete the character due to a low sec status. Pulling concord off the belt doesnt count or all gankers would be banned for pulling them off also. Its okay we understand your special.
Theyarnt pulling concord from the belt they are using them as invincible bodyguards. |

baltec1
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Posted - 2013.09.11 08:45:00 -
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S Byerley wrote:baltec1 wrote:RomeStar wrote: Hey genius its only a bannable offence if you delete the character due to a low sec status. Pulling concord off the belt doesnt count or all gankers would be banned for pulling them off also. Its okay we understand your special.
Theyarnt pulling concord from the belt they are using them as invincible bodyguards. They obviously aren't very good bodyguards if you can pull them right back off the belt. I converse with Tippia on a regular basis (who btw thinks it's not an exploit) and your whining is still giving me a headache. Bravo I guess.
what whining?
Also I didnt say they were good bodyguards just invincible. |

baltec1
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Posted - 2013.09.11 16:46:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:emperor palpatine Lol, it's ******, ok? ******!
Godwin law enacted. |
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