Are people really THIS afraid of awoxers that they'd literally just stay docked spinning their ship instead of letting reds and neutrals join them for small gang roams?

I can understand the reasoning behind a secret alliance op involving structures, but why on earth are people so scared to let strangers in their small gang pvp roams? If they awox, they know in future not to trust them so the damage is only limited.
Furthermore, you can even check their killboards to get a pretty good idea of whether they break fleet etiquette.

Seriously, if you OCCASIONALLY lose a ship to an awoxer who claimed to honor fleet agreements, who cares?
You can still afford 50 more.

Personally I think people are way too uptight about it.

It makes them feel unsafe.
They don't want to look foolish if they are AWOXed.
They don't want to appear disloyal to their own group.
They harbor resentment, mistrust, malice, etc. towards those not in their group.
They don't really "know" any reds or neutrals and don't want to examine people as individuals, but would rather just be "friends" with whoever their superiors/leadership tell them to be "friends" with.
They have no use for non-blues because their list of blues is so large that they can always find someone to fleet with.
They believe that blues are the good guys and reds (neutrals, too, if you're NBSI) are the bad guys and do not cooperate with them on principle.

...

When I started playing, the first "reds" I ever really encountered were Red Alliance, Russians. I hated them. They roamed through our space. They ambushed us on our way to and from empire. They were hostile to us for apparently no reason whatsoever.
Then, one day, someone asked a question about them in our intel channel, something like: "How is that red docked in our station?". They didn't have docking rights there. Someone answered: "It used to be their station. This was their space. We took it."
So, all the time I thought I was defending "our" space, I was actually the invader, and I started to wonder why I was letting other people tell me who the "good guys" and "bad guys" were. I started to notice that those Red Alliance players had guts, whereas a lot of my "blues" were people I'd gladly have shot.
I saw a "blue" suicide gank someone in an industrial and I remember thinking several things, that I would really like to shoot that mother[expletive deleted], that I would probably find myself hot water with my corp if I did, that he would have blown up my industrial just the same if I wasn't blue to him, and that on any given day, if I were the villain, I'd probably want to be set as "blue" to everyone but the person I wanted to shoot on that day.

Most people don't want to think about these things. They just want to "hurr durr pew pew pew lulz0rd".

Fleet members don't appear on most usual overview regardless of standings.
You should have a tab that shows all players too.

Read the OP as: "Why are people such risk averse penises.."

Definitely backing out of thread...

Besides, who would let a red into a fleet to begin with ?

Yeah, because I'm going to switch to my special overview tab (logi) that DOES show blues... so I can shoot the blues the red guy in my fleet is broadcasting as primary

You're a special kind of special.

This guy is primary.......I don't see him on overview....here broadcast...he is blue....no I see him...how do I drake?

No thanks

And you're a ******* idiot. I never said ANYTHING about fleeting with reds to shoot blues (though that would be fun), I meant fleeting with neuts/reds to shoot OTHER neuts and reds, there's a difference.

And reds are just set red by your corp/alliance leader in many cases. In reality you have no quarrel with them.

Are people really THIS afraid of awoxers that they'd literally just stay docked spinning their ship instead of letting reds and neutrals join them for small gang roams?

I can understand the reasoning behind a secret alliance op involving structures, but why on earth are people so scared to let strangers in their small gang pvp roams? If they awox, they know in future not to trust them so the damage is only limited.
Furthermore, you can even check their killboards to get a pretty good idea of whether they break fleet etiquette.

Seriously, if you OCCASIONALLY lose a ship to an awoxer who claimed to honor fleet agreements, who cares?
You can still afford 50 more.

Personally I think people are way too uptight about it.

Are people really THIS afraid of awoxers

I'd fleet your mother.



God help me....I couldn't help it.

BNI has tried this in the past....letting people like "Gorski Car" or "Firetruck Man" into our fleets

they either collect intel or awox..or both.

Never ends well for us

Are people really THIS afraid of awoxers that they'd literally just stay docked spinning their ship instead of letting reds and neutrals join them for small gang roams?

I can understand the reasoning behind a secret alliance op involving structures, but why on earth are people so scared to let strangers in their small gang pvp roams? If they awox, they know in future not to trust them so the damage is only limited.
Furthermore, you can even check their killboards to get a pretty good idea of whether they break fleet etiquette.

Seriously, if you OCCASIONALLY lose a ship to an awoxer who claimed to honor fleet agreements, who cares?
You can still afford 50 more.

Personally I think people are way too uptight about it.

Why take the chance of being awoxed or blobbed when you don't have too. Besides, who would let a red into a fleet to begin with ?